Saturday, June 3, 2017

Lori Anderson: Lack of Empathy is Not A Good Trait

Lori Anderson is a "Christian" blogger who promotes patriarchialism and women giving absolute obedience to men. I found this video via Spiritual Sounding board. Spiritual Sounding Board is correct that her advice is dangerous to the depressed and others. This may be blunt but I wonder if this woman has what the psychologists would refer to as narcissistic personality disorder. Is your first thought when you see the downtrodden, "Get over it and stop feeling sorry for yourself!?" Is this what Christian "comfort" has come to? Even that "snowflake" talk that is so emphasized in "right wing" circles, carries that same lack of empathy and compassion.

Maybe I am too much of a "softie" but I don't think so.  I don't want to be hard like these people. I cried over a man getting evicted from my apartment building and get the feeling this lady above would berate him for getting ill and unable pay his rent. I tried to help but could not find him any charities to store his stuff.

 One thing I noticed is many in my life who had lack of empathy would tell people "Stop feeling sorry for yourself!" This is narcissistic lack of empathy in evangelical Christian circles. I faced it with the spiritual abuser and others. There is a stoicism that is promoted especially in American evangelical churches where to have bad times means you are a bad person.

One word in the evangelical world is becoming rarer and rarer, that word is MERCY. What does Mercy mean? It's all over the Bible. Does Mercy even exist to a person whose answer to all troubles, is "Get Over it!"

noun: mercy; plural noun: mercies
compassion or forgiveness shown toward someone whom it is within one's power to punish or harm.
"the boy was screaming and begging for mercy"

People in the Bible got depressed too as one commenter on the Spiritual Sounding Board wrote:

" but isn’t the Bible full of believers who have suffered with various kinds of depression at some point in their lives?
Off the top of my head I think of Job, Hannah, David, Elijah, Jeremiah, etc. There are no pat answers in the Bible regarding the despondency of these people, who are all historical giants of faith. Why are we modern-day Christians not allowed to feel sad or forlorn when life is harsh and bitter?
Would Lori Alexander have the temerity to scold these people, some of the greatest folk in the scriptures? Oh wait… that’s been done already. Job’s friends. The ones who took pleasure in scolding Job about his hidden “sins” that caused his tragedies and depression. Snap out of it Job! You’re sinning and your faith is weak if you’re depressed. Lori is taking a page from their playbook."

I think one of the biggest calls as a Christian is to give comfort and mercy to others. I try to do so. I may not always be successful at it, but I refuse to ever adapt a hard nosed edge of telling people to suck it up and shut up. There's hurting people all over this world and this is the last attitude someone should have towards them. Hardness and lack of mercy are not Christian traits.


Debra said...

Was watching some of her videos and she said to listen to John MacArthur among other teachers. She mentioned how women are to teach women because women can get deceived. I wish she knew how deceived she is with John MacArthur. He believes in taking the mark of the beast and still being saved if you ask for forgiveness. Such embellishment of the word on his part because no where does it say that in the Bible. That will seal someone's fate in hell. Makes me suspicious when certain bloggers refer to false teachers. I also read that John MacArthur's Dad was a high up Mason. True or not true don't know. All I see are hand signs everywhere. Maybe the self pity she is referring to is a way of getting others to feel sorry for you with the motive of getting attention. That would be an NPD person. If a person is seeking comfort from other believers then it is not self pity. The dictionary describes self pity as being a self indulgent attitude.

I have a friend who cries all the time because people hurt, scorn and mock her. She loves the Lord and does not engage in things of the world so she gets persecuted a lot. I try to remind her that if these people want to wallow in the mud, let them. They can mock you all they want but you don't have mud all over you nor are you eating pigs feed. Because she has a kind heart she allows their words and actions to really hurt her. I continue to remind her that she is God's princess daughter and that she has great value in His eyes. She is part of the royal family of God. They have made her their scapegoat and I'm trying to get her to see that she doesn't have to play that role to get abused.

Anonymous said...

Her video was about self pity, which is satanic. Your post is about pity, which is righteous. They are two different things, but both definitions are right.

The LORD is my Shepherd, I shall NOT want... said...


This is sad. But then again, Miss Anderson is a classic example of those who depend on the arm of flesh while pretending to be Christians (Jeremiah 17:5).

Believers in Christ should remember that we are encouraged to mourn with those who mourn (Romans 12:15). Each one of us has a unique way of processing pain and loss. If we can stand (and not say anything) with a brother or sister who is going through tough times, it is enough.

Debra said...

Wanted to add to my last post here that it all sounds like a neatly shaped package filled with legalism and not freedom in Christ. On the outside she is presenting scripture verses but she then tells all those who are in trials to buck up. The Lord said to count it all joy but not to silence your feelings. The whole book of Psalm was written full of emotion without spare. God sees our hearts and if the motives are impure and manipulative He will keep us from hopping off the Potter's wheel with wrong intent. I can't speak for the unbeliever. I know NPD's use self pity as a manipulation to gather flying monkeys (participants) to view the true victim as the villain and scapegoat. Is she trying to take us back to where women are considered a lesser breed and they have no rights? If she said women are only to teach women so does that mean she is speaking only to women in her videos and telling them to stuff their emotions even though she is possibly getting abused? Her blanket statement inferring that women can be seen and not heard is not what the Lord wants for the body of Christ. If Esther took Lori's instruction to heart there would be no Israel. What about Debra the judge? Was she not teaching Israel to follow the ways of the Lord in His wisdom. She even had to go to battle because a man was scared to go alone.

Debra said...

Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

John 11:35 Jesus wept.
Genesis 6:6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
I Samuel 15:11 It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the Lord all night.
I Samuel 20:34 So Jonathan arose from the table in fierce anger, and did eat no meat the second day of the month: for he was grieved for David, because his father had done him shame.
I Samuel 30:6 And David was greatly distressed; for the people spake of stoning him, because the soul of all the people was grieved, every man for his sons and for his daughters: but David encouraged himself in the Lord his God.
2 Samuel 19:2 And the victory that day was turned into mourning unto all the people: for the people heard say that day how the king was grieved for his son.
Job 30:25 Did not I weep for him that was in trouble? was not my soul grieved for the poor?
Psalm 78:40 How oft did they provoke him in the wilderness, and grieve him in the desert!
Psalm 95:10 Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
Psalm 199:158 I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.
Isaiah 54:6 For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
Lamentations 3:33 For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men.
Daniel 7:15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
Mark 3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
2 Corinthians 2:4 For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be grieved, but that ye might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you.
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Debra said...

Hebrews 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
I Samuel 1:18 And she said, Let thine handmaid find grace in thy sight. So the woman went her way, and did eat, and her countenance was no more sad.
Nehemiah 2:2 Wherefore the king said unto me, Why is thy countenance sad, seeing thou art not sick? this is nothing else but sorrow of heart. Then I was very sore afraid,
Psalm 56:8 Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book?
Job 16:20 My friends scorn me: but mine eye poureth out tears unto God.
Psalm 6:6 I am weary with my groaning; all the night make I my bed to swim; I water my couch with my tears.
Psalm 126:5 They that sow in tears shall reap in joy.
Isaiah 25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.
Jeremiah 9:1 Oh that my head were waters, and mine eyes a fountain of tears, that I might weep day and night for the slain of the daughter of my people!
Jeremiah 9:18 And let them make haste, and take up a wailing for us, that our eyes may run down with tears, and our eyelids gush out with waters.
Jeremiah 13:17 But if ye will not hear it, my soul shall weep in secret places for your pride; and mine eye shall weep sore, and run down with tears, because the Lord's flock is carried away captive.
Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Isaiah 63:9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.
Ezekiel 36:21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.
Amos 1:11 Thus saith the Lord; For three transgressions of Edom, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because he did pursue his brother with the sword, and did cast off all pity, and his anger did tear perpetually, and he kept his wrath for ever:

Anonymous said...

It seems according to some Jesus would have needed a "Christian councilor"..Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not......James

Anonymous said...

I often wonder what these legalist types would tell Jesus when He was crying out in the Garden of Gethsemane, showing us exactly what raw human emotion looks like. Would Lori and all other brainwashed patriarchal types say to our LORD and Master,

"Jesus, get over yourself and memorize all of those Scriptures with the word "joy" in them. You know that you are sinning by crying out to your Father in such a hopeless, self pitying way. Now be like us and we'll show you what a real church leader looks like, perfect in every way."

It is best for us believers to not cast our pearls before swine, which in most cases is church leadership, or a right wing church going conservative who believes Trump is a Christian and the Republican party is the 'true party' of the One and Only God of the Bible.

Many of us have been delivered out of abusive church systems who promote false teachers and preachers, patriarchy, the idolatry of pastors and church leadership, and the harlot system it promotes. I have literally watched church leadership destroy families, good and godly relationships, and believers' reputations in the community with their lies, slander, manipulation and control, all for the sake of gathering people to worship themselves. These individuals NEVER speak of Jesus, replacing the Gospel with their man-made salvation that requires people to live under such burdens, whether the false joy concept like Lori's, or dietary restrictions, like not eating promotes a false Christianity that does not exist under the New Covenant of Jesus Christ.

I minister to abused women in our community and the stories I hear are shattering to my soul. These are not joyful situations. I mostly listen, offer some support, and pray, pray, and pray, for I have the freedom to do so. As a believer and follower of Jesus, it is my job to hold that information in confidence unless there is a threat to the life of another, than other precautions and arrangements need to be made to protect the life of the individual.

The flying monkey syndrome is legion within the church, and many of us have been abused in so many ways by such a wicked and evil system.

Debra said...

1 Corinthians 12:25-26 (KJV)

25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

Romans 12:15 (KJV)

15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

dreamzzzz said...

I so agree with you.. Its like true feelings have to be suppressed. This is what leads to Political Correctness. The Lord knows our hearts and we would just be hypocrites if we try to suppress what we really feel and I would think this would drive a person into serious depression.

Annabel said...

I agree with 1st Anonymous post above, he/she nailed it shortly: self-pity is from Satan such as all selfishness which is most common in church tiday; Pity and empathy is needed to weep with those who are hurt and mourn. But let as well pity never stop at just weeping with the other person. The outlook has to be Jesus Christ at the cross always, risen and sitting on the throne in Heaven. He is the one to look up to, not our own pityful circumstances and conditions. Blessings be to you!

Bible Believer said...

That's sad about John McArthur, I kicked him to the curb when I heard that mark of the beast nonsense but would have later anyhow. He is a definite wolf. I don't know if Lori Anderson is sincere or another shill, but you wonder about these legions of church lady types who are all the same who preach slavish devotion to wicked men. It is always odd to me how they go on about parasites, my spiritual abuser had a thing about that too, we live in a modern world why are you going to be filled with worms? I wonder if that is a mental thing and control thing to freak people out? She was always talking about worms.I used to joke give me a tapeworm to take weight off.

His Dad being a Mason would not surprise me. I found masonic connections with my family, some time ago, this best friend of three of them all worked at a masonic organization. It's funny how much Facebook was able to tell me as I was lied to for years. Yes they got the hand signs. Yes NPDs will play false martyrs but as they seek to elicit pity they have none for others. I agree seeking comfort from other believers is not self pity. I do not trust people who want us to hide our emotions, and have learned to steer clear. I am a more emotional person personality wise. That can be hard in this society. I am a bookworm, but when people discover I'm not a stoic a lot don't like it, I feel for your friend who cries a lot. Some people like that all they need is someone to love them and to feel secure. If they are around people with no mercy or empathy, it actually can worsen their tears and feelings of being an outcast. I have been an outcast all my life,but have my husband [and God of course] to love me. I hope things improve for your friend.On boards and blogs that talk about NPDs and sociopaths, they talk about how the "empaths" [the term is dubious but it has to do with people who feel more] are often preyed on my narcissists, soft feelings and emotions can make you a target, it stinks that this is so too.Tell her when people abuse her like that, she does not have to keep them in her life, this is a valued lesson I learned kind of late in age. I did walk from a lot of people.I believe this is connected to my own getting saved and finding value as seen by God.I was called a loser and worse for decades. I actually kept people in my life expecting that if I was able to get well, or become better off I would be "accepted"but that's a wasted path. Some of mine treated me horrible even when I had a perfectly respectable job as an alternative school art teacher. The bible mandates fleeing the wicked and workers of iniquity. God says to go no contact. I am glad she has you as a friend. I was scapegoated severely because of my upbringing but have been able to change this, and your friend can too. If I meet anyone know who talks about self-pity constantly and how everyone with troubles is a "loser" ,"failed", "not doing enough", I know to run.

Bible Believer said...

I have had unusual spiritual thoughts about how the temptation "to go hard" is actually one we have to be mindful of.I know I have a high enough IQ to "fight back"in the devil's way if you know what I mean. I was taught by wicked people to be dishonest and manipulative,and because I wouldn't do it, they would call me weak. That actually is one giant spiritual danger of this society. It also is connected to the bible's warning about bad company, and it's influence on you. It does drive me crazy to see so many nice people abused and scapegoated, that is one challenge, to remain nice, while finding that line to reject abuse, and evil without becoming one of them to "fight back".

I believe people like Mrs. Anderson, became one of them to "fight back". She suppressed her emotions to "fit in", don't show any softness, and you won't be a target but then what do you get someone who is "hard". Hey I worked in the ghetto and been very poor, I know how people "go hard" but it should be avoided. I skimmed a few of her other videos, if she is not a shill, and is sincere, the other traits she displays are of worry, there seems to be a commonality here, focus on parasites a la McBeth? of the poison inside? Extreme neat-freakry? Odd health obesessions, I could be wrong, since I have no proof either way, but her odd discussions of having had brain TUMORS plural, was strange to me. I never have had a brain tumor but my balance stinks just from hearing and other disorders but she shows none of the visual signs I have seen in people who have HAD brain tumors, where you can tell their health is more fragile and something is neurologically off.

So yes there seems to be depending on the flesh here, and a certain rigidity sets up especially in sincere types like this. My spiritual abuser, had the same parasite focus and odd health obesessions, some of that comes from alt-right message boards, but she was a perfectly healthy person, it spilled into food and just this strange rigidity. Yes I know I am kind of speaking off the cuff here, I am not perfect myself but there seems to be a religious Pharisee type.....

For the ones who are sincere they are rigid with themselves as with everyone else. Emotions are not allowed.

Bible Believer said...

Remember that article I did where I wrote Emotions aren't allowed in the NWO.

I'm not interested in the NWO super-soldiers who have shut down all their humanity. Yes it is a package of legalism, and well even the blind obedience to men she touts is related to the authoritarian Dominionist vision of goose-steppers.

People who say "just get over it" or buck up, or "move on", I can't stand those type of people, they live in like this weird bubble, of even denying the shortness or other realities about life.Yes Psalms is full of emotions and many other bible verse. The living waters are not cold and dead but flowing. Yes all those NPD people turn the tables, they label the true victims as crazy, they pride themselves on coldness. I think she wants us taken back to a world where women are chattel and beaten, she is American Taliban. Doesn't she realize blind obedience to men will bring sex abuse and other societal protections for women crashing down? Sure feminism has problems too but her way has already been done. She tells women to take emotional and other abuse and teaches abused women to suck it up and become doormats. That part about her really disturbs me, it is a lie that whimpering and bowing before an abuser or wicked person will get them to treat you better. She is ensuring more control and abuse over women and children. I do not agree with the IFB etc, that you have to remain married to an abuser. I believe the marriage contract is broken once a man starts beating on you and of course Jesus Christ spoke of divorce for fornication, most of the wife beaters are fornicators but even then God does not will for a woman to beaten and a slave of a wicked seared man.

What scares me is her favorite preachers are all teaching that nonsense, the Duggars present it country wide, for women to not be seen and not heard. I agree about Esther and Debra.

Yes the bible calls Jesus a man of sorrows, that is one place all the false theology and liars have taken us, that if you have sadness even over the state of this world and evil, that there is something wrong with you. Grief too is to be shoved down and not acknowledged, all the narcissists, want smiling victims. It helps maintain their narcissistic supply and false elevation. Yes Jesus cried too, and Lori Anderson's response to that? God Himself has had grief. Thank you for all those verses. Debra. I agree James.

God gave us emotions to be used, and since we are made in His image, He has them Himself.

I wonder too anon, if someone like these legalists would berate Jesus Himself for his grief and sadness in the Garden of Gethsemane.

They probably would tell a person in their death bed, how dare you feel sorry for yourself!

Bible Believer said...

Even the joy they push is FAKE, it is the joy of "show-offs, smiles for "glee" and "winning" look at me.I doubt people who eschew all sorrow, can even feel real joy anymore. Maybe the psychologists might examine this one but I wonder if the other rigidity comes out of that same source. I don't even argue with the religious Trumpkins, the Kool-Aid is flowing too fast.

Yes many have been delivered from abusive church systems. My first IFB was better but I believe abuse would have come my way in the second, well there defintely was some as I was made to feel like a "worm"for being poor. However I have read and heard horrible stories, even beyond my personal tale of a different type of spiritual abuse, the false preachers, etc, the gossip, the slandering, the perfectionism that is imposed. The competition for the fish bowl, to "look perfect".I never fit into the evangelical culture, and failing to have the "perfect look" was part of this. I agree with you.

With abused women, the churches have FAILED pure and simple, the same for child abuse or even abuse of older scapegoated adults within families. I was advised by more pastors and counselors then I can count to "forgive" and "forget" only to get more abuse coming my way. I never have heard a pastor once in my entire life ever preach against child abuse, or crazy rules for households. Domestic violence, and I volunteered in a woman's shelter years ago, it was always the woman's fault in the churches and I heard false preachers telling the women to be more meek and mild. I always wondered why other men in the church didn't make a stand against a man who was an abuser. The churches in general stand for oppression of anyone who is weaker, don't spare the rod somehow got translated from giving discipline to children to beating them until they submit in some places. We got the patriarchy movement which basically teaches all women are to be blindly obedient to men. Yes those women are not facing anything good. I found myself counseling one abused woman, trying to get her help myself, not to tell anyone in her church, how sad is that, because I knew she'd only be used as fodder for the gossip mills. So I am glad you keep this information in confidence. Yes the flying monkey stuff is awful, one thing I noted in many places everything was a competition with the supposedly "blessed" pitted against those facing troubles. Churches today aren't easy places and well the majority of them stand for the wicked pecking order of this society. Christian and non-Christian women flee to the secular "feminist" abuse shelters, knowing any help within their churches is non-existent.

Yes I agree the restriction of emotions has led to political correctness. Yes when someone is told they have to hide who they really are, and their thoughts and feelings it does lead to depression. The core message there, is "We do not accept you".God is going to know one's true emotions no matter what mask someone wears so I'd like to ask the Loris of the world why are you so focused on controlling what others think and feel?

Debra said...

Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Is it not cold to tell a person that is hurting to stop your whimpering and man up? I say so, there is no love in that. It seems to me that the NPD world is derived from so much self consumption that they need to abuse to survive. It is diabolical because they wear two masks, one a weak, fragile innocent lamb and the other a vicious snake who strikes when one's guard is down. This is nothing more than hate festering and growing inside like a poisonous root. Bitter waters flow within while presenting themselves as a docile character to their audience. What a person says behind the scenes when no one hears or sees is the true nature and character of this evil soul. Always clever in shrouding it with I'm not trying to destroy or attack you. All the while their script has been neatly prepared to hurt and tear your heart to shreds just for the fun of it. The lion has been fed until their next meal. I say all this to warn and to not allow your heart to grow cold regardless of bloggers like the one BB posted.

The LORD is my Shepherd, I shall NOT want... said...

BB and Debra,

I agree with you on the restrictions of emotions and wearing of face masks.

There are many movies that promote these concepts. The characters all start out as nice and sweet and at the end of the movie they are the ones stabbing and/or shooting with an evil facial expression.

I know of a pastor who will preach with such emotion at the pulpit but in the comfort of his home use vulgar language you wouldn't believe he is one and the same.

PS - I left his church after realizing his "emotional" approach to preaching was to tag at our hearts while filling the collection plates.

Annabel said...

Dear BB, just some note regarding John MacArthur: I would not judge him along some scripture he might not have understood well nor after his fathers possible sin. Like this, you can kick off anybody here. He is a greatly gifted teacher and he's my brother in Christ for sure (not like Billy Graham who is certainly not 1 John 2,19). With such 'big names' like he is, there is much temptation of spiritual pride. OK let's the LORD Jesus judge this later. But I have profited very much from his writings, especially "12 ordinary men" and "Slave - your true identity in Christ" which are excellent. A simple pharisees or scholars without Holy Spirit dwelling inside could not have produce such insights. And to judge somebody after the fathers sin is not even a thing God does (Eze18). Much blessings to you!

Debra said...

Some people or believers do not want to hear about trials or troubles. They want to live in a happy world created by all the pleasures they can afford. To listen means to give comfort which many do not want to give because they are selfish. If they have personal problems then you are expected to hear but don't expect them to listen or pray for you. This is love grown cold where other believers in the body of Christ cannot be heard because it is an offense to hear about their trials. Some Christians want to paint a rosy picture of their world to say don't dare mess with my neatly tucked life by imposing your praying requests on me. You can see it in their demeanor and eyes, just stone cold. They want to be in control of their own lives but pretend to be genuine believers. Looks like Lori is attempting to control your emotions as BB said. Seems like she too is saying don't give me your sad story, you're just acting in self pity. Well I say that attitude would freeze the Hawaiian ocean even though the sun is shining. This preparation of the heart to make it as hard as stone will be the callousness needed to usher in the antiChrist. All those who do not accept his ways and guidance will be killed even by other believers. The word says people will betray one another. If our hearts are full of God's love we could never step into that roll of being merciless. NPD's are merciless and the numbers seem to be growing.

Debra said...

2 Timothy 1:13-14King James Version (KJV)

13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.

King James Version (KJV)
I always say Holy Spirit and not ghost. God's Holy Spirit is not a ghost. But the message is sure and true, guard and hold fast.

Anonymous said...

I do believe the scriptures when it calls the Spirit of God the "Holy Ghost" or "Holy Spirit". The two words are interchangeable, they mean the same thing. It's always good to "use the words the Holy Ghost teacheth"........James

Anonymous said...

Greek word for ghost-φάντασμα fantasia
Greek word for Spirit-Πνεύμα Pnevma

Anonymous said...

Lori Alexander is claiming now that she is being persecuted due to negative reviews on her book via the Amazon website.

I find it troubling to my soul when people pen books, often manipulating and twisting the Scriptures to support their worldview instead of Jesus Christ's Words, claim the martyr syndrome when other believers point out the lies, the hypocrisy, and the dangerous teachings. Lori Alexander and her husband Ken, are no martyrs for the faith once and for all delivered to the saints, nor are they a couple to be worshiped, idolized, or followed for that matter.

I would highly recommend godly men and women stay as far away from the books, the blogs, or any sounding remotely religious, that comes from Ken and Lori Alexander, for it will lead your faith away from Jesus Christ.

Debra said...

We can't forget there are dis-information agents out there claiming to be an individual by name when in reality they are plants from wicked people who intend to destroy truth in God's word. If believers do not know God's word then they will fall for lies being told. You can't trust everyone who happens to put up a blog and writes a book. Satanists have infiltrated the Christian world such as Churches, bookstores, social media, music and making of Christian movies.

Bible Believer said...

One test I have for people now is Do they ever display vulnerability, the narcs won't, here you have to be cautious as some will FEIGN it, and some of them are successful but I notice a lot of the religious narcs never do. Notice with Lori and this was true of the spiritual abuser, how she can never admit a mistake, everyone is out to persecute her, if you write a book saying women must obey men or else what does she expect? I agee abut the martyr syndrome. People like that make atheists. How many abused wives will feel like Jesus Himself has forsaken them as they are to sit around being a punching bag for their abusers? I agree those who do not know God's Word will fall for lies. Let me be frank about blogs and other places, the level of infiltration is extremely extremely high, far higher then I even suspected a few years ago. I know some have accused me of being a fake.

Someofmy burn out I wrote about today was dealing with too many Lori's I just didn't get it with the spiritual abuser but IRL too, stoic church people were perfect lives came first. I even have tried to talk my husband into moving wondering if something is wrong with the community I live in, because the cold stoicism is so high. I have told close friends who live elsewhere, it's like people here have no emotions and all emotion is seen as weakness. They are impossible to get close to. I definitely have given up on socializing with church people except in a few exceptions. I feel there, the expectation to look perfect, show no weakness and keep the perfect life front up is far far stronger.

Bible Believer said...

NPDs hate all emotions, and they want them shut down, I think their numbers are growing too. This is the stuff the bible means when it says People will wax cold.

Anonymous said...

As Christians, we have to be careful in our words. To accuse Lori of having NPD without knowing her personally, is consider libel in the court of law. Praying for everyone. Peace.

Bible Believer said...

Using the word "wonder" it's not, it's a stated opinion. I did not write she has NPD. I do not know. That is for psychologists to figure out. My main point is the displayed lack of empathy in the video. I am commenting upon the comment of a PUBLICALLY available video. I hope Lori can examine herself, others have written about her advice being out and out dangerous. Telling people some in the cases of the clinically depressed "stop feeling sorry for yourself" is not good advice.

Anonymous said...

As Christian, we are to discern and test the spirits as commanded in our Scriptures. Lori does great damage to the true Body of Jesus Christ, by her callous and cold heart in teaching dangerous philosophies which are man centered.

To bear one another's burdens is a sign of a true Christian in showing this pagan world how we live and the Hope that is in us through the power of God, the Holy Spirit. It is difficult to believe that Lori is even saved via her cold heart and her attributes per Timothy 3. Her fruits seem as though she is an unbeliever, worthy of our prayers for her salvation.

Praying for Lori.

Anonymous said...

Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

But if you aren't interested in fulfilling the law of christ--sounds like a spiritual blessing for those who want it--then America has a Christendom for you. It's "hey, you, get offa my cloud".

Posting anonymous because of password problems.

Anonymous said...

Psalm 22:24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.

Anonymous said...

Psalm 69:20 Reproach hath broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness: and I looked for some to take pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none.

21 They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.