Tuesday, May 9, 2017

Odd Theology: Earth is Hell?

I saw this the other day and wonder if this is tied into the Archon teachings I posted about the other week. Wouldn't a "prison planet" be akin to hell? This definitely is a dangerous teaching, because if people believe they are already in "hell" on earth why would they feel a need for a Savior?This is a teaching I could see enticing people. I felt the tendrils of it, even licking at my brain, like "yeah this world is so bad, maybe we really are living in hell". I was having a bad day that day,  and I had to shake it off saying, "That's not biblical."

 It is disturbing. This world can definitely have aspects of hell in it, with murder, crime, abuse, severe illnesses and worse but how do you explain having God's Word available, or nature or beauty?  Why would the Holy Spirit be here indwelling in Christians? I have heard of other religions claiming this earth is hell. One friend told me the Chabads did so but it is something I don't know much about. Some New Age philosophies seem to skirt around it. Jesus Christ warned about hell for a reason. "Where" it is exactly is, we can't specify, but to say this earth is hell is total confusion.

There are those who claim hell is in the "center" of this earth, but I have not seen any bible verses or anything else that points to that. It is just speculation.

2 Thessalonians 1:9King James Version (KJV)

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;


Anonymous said...

BB. I'm one of those who believe that hell is in the center of the earth. I believe the KJV when it says Jesus was in the heart (middle) of the earth for three days and three nights, and that his resurrection was the fulfillment of Psalm 16 that was quoted in Acts 2 by the apostles who said his body will not see corruption, nor would his soul be left in hell. Jonah was a picturing of this fact. Jonah prayed while in the whales belly "out of the belly of hell cried I", and "the earth with her bars was about me forever". This doctrine is only found in the KJV, and "Greek scholars" always try and go back to the Greek to change it. I believe it to be literal. Ephesians 4:8 says he "descended into the lower parts of the earth" before he ascended to our Heavenly Father. it also mentions hell being a very dark and hit place. It says the lake of fire is burning with fire and brimstone. We we this fire and brimstone when a volcanoe erupts. God bless........James

Bible Believer said...

I should have wrote that one is possible...hell in center of earth. That is one I need more study on. Saying earth on the surface is hell, well, that is way too much. That is interesting about the KJV. It is true we see the fire and brimstone and the centerof the earth is very hot. I posted something long ago, maybe before you were here James about the theory that the "Sun" is the lake of fire.

Debra said...

If people justify hell is on earth then there is no real judgement day for the wicked nor wrath of God in the book of Revelation. They would have to share this with God to show how wrong He was in His theology and writing of scripture. Would they dare do so?

Debra said...

Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

John 3:16-18 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (Read More...)

Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Revelation 20:15 - And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matthew 10:28 - And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Mark 9:43-48 - And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: (Read More...)

Matthew 13:50 - And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 - Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Revelation 20:10 - And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Psalms 145:20 - The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy.

Matthew 5:22 - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Hebrews 10:26-31 - For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (Read More...)

Revelation 14:11 - And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Luke 16:19-31 - There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: (Read More...)

Luke 12:5 - But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Solomon Rodriguez said...

The Lake of Fire Gehenna is not a an underworld of torment where satan and his angels rule. Give me one scripture that supports Satan being a ruler of a spiritual underworld of torment. Gehenna the valley of Hinnom outside Jerusalem was a type of the antitype which is the Lake of Fire on earth that will destroy the wicked to ashes. Read Malachi. The teaching of a spiritual underworld of torment is a pagan teaching adopted by the Catholic Church and carried on by her evangelical daughters. The Lake of Fire will be a world wide version of Sodom and GHMORRA which was destroyed (everlasting destruction) and is not burning anymore. The teaching of an immortoul soul is spiritualism.

Solomon Rodriguez said...

When Jesus talked about hell as a judgment for sinners the word is Ghenna (Lake of Fire). the other word for hell is simply the grave. The third word for hell is tartarus and means abyss which many people believe is the earth as that is where Satan and his angles now roam as they were cast down to the earth.

Anonymous said...

I agree. This world isn't hell. It's a weird doctrine. I must admit that sometimes it feels like it, if this wicked world is this bad, I'd hate to see what hell is like. I do believe that Jesus suffered hell for all believers even though the newer bibles have changed this doctrine. The penalty of sin is death, but the gift from God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord. I don't believe this verse is speaking of the physical death, but spiritual. I've heard others claim that David is speaking of himself in Psalm 16, but this isn't possible. David's body has seen corruption. He's been in the ground for thousands of years. Plus Acts 2:24-31 clearly lays out the interpretation of Psalm 16 by the Holy Ghost. I just wish that people would realize this biblical truth. I don't believe that salvation lays squarely on this issue. When one realizes what Jesus truly went through for the sins of man, it makes the gospel that much more powerful. God bless.........James

Heather Noelle said...

I too have wondered about the sun being the lake of fire. Rev. 22:5, And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God give the them light; and they shall reign for ever and ever.

I believe Jesus will be the light just like he was until Genesis 1:16. I wonder why God created the sun, if there was another purpose, as it wasn't created until then? Just speculating.

I agree, James, re: hell being in the center of the earth. Isaiah 5:14: Therefore hell hath enlarged herself,

It makes me think of volcanoes blowing too. I also believe paradise/Abraham's bosom was at the heart of the earth until Jesus descended to the lower parts of the earth, and set the captives free and brought paradise to heaven. Luke 16:26, parable of Lazarus and the rich man, Abraham says "there is a great gulf fixed", I believe Jesus had to pass through hell to get to Paradise. I believe Paradise was in the center then, with the great gulf around it, then hell. I'm short on time right now so if that doesn't make sense I can cite more Scripture later. Since hell enlarges itself, I'm speculating it now occupies where Paradise was. Hope that makes sense.

Heather Noelle said...

The word "Gehenna" does not appear in the entirety of the King James Bible. Which Bible version are you using?

Solomon Rodriguez said...

Hell many times in the new testament comes from the corresponding word Gehenna (Strongs) Greek concordance.

On Judgment day, the wicked will be raised as mortal beings and suffer hell fire here on earth as the earth will be one big lake of fire and the fire will consume them to destruction not everlasting life.

Anonymous said...

Solomon. The new versions have removed the word "hell". You are correct in believing that the adversary does not rule in hell. It's a place of everlasting punishment. He too will eventually be there where he will face eternal punishment. Read the story of the rich man and Lazurus. Jesus makes it perfectly clear that hell is a place of everlasting punishment.

Anonymous said...

Heather. The concept of "Abrahams bosom" is also not found in scripture. Salvation has always been by grace through faith. Dispensationism is a lie. This is a teaching that gained popularity with the Scofield reference bible. God bless.......James .......Genesis 4:26 "And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord."

Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved"

Speaking of Abraham. Genesis 12:8 "And he removed from thence unto a mountain on the east of Bethel, and pitched his tent, having Bethel on the west, and Hai on the east: and there he builded an altar unto the LORD, and called upon the name of the LORD"

David called on the name of the Lord for salvation, and he came after the law was given..Psalm 116:3 "The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.
4 Then called I upon the name of the Lord; O Lord, I beseech thee, deliver my soul.
5 Gracious is the Lord, and righteous; yea, our God is merciful.
6 The Lord preserveth the simple: I was brought low, and he helped me.
7 Return unto thy rest, O my soul; for the Lord hath dealt bountifully with thee.
8 For thou hast delivered my soul from death, mine eyes from tears, and my feet from falling.
9 I will walk before the Lord in the land of the living.
10 I believed, therefore have I spoken: I was greatly afflicted:
11 I said in my haste, All men are liars.
12 What shall I render unto the Lord for all his benefits toward me?
13 I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the Lord.
14 I will pay my vows unto the Lord now in the presence of all his people."

The OT prophets gave witness to this fact...Acts 10:43 "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins."

Salvation has been the same throughout the bible. Acts says they were saved the same way their fathers were saved. The same way Abraham and David and all people were saved...Acts 15:10-11 "Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they." -

Anonymous said...

BB. I forgot to add Romans 4 in my post refuting dispensationism. Here we see Abraham who came before the law was saved the same way as David who came after the law.God bless......James .....Romans 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

Heather Noelle said...

James, thank you for all the Scripture and things to consider and study. I do appreciate it.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks Debra for those verses, obviously scripture makes it clear, one is cast into the lake of fire where there is immense suffering.

I need to do a bible study regarding this issues but damnation after death to immense suffering beyond this world seems to be a fact. As I have wrote elsewhere, hell is a doctrine that always has bothered me. In some facets when I was scripturally ignorant it led me away from Christianity to the Unitarians who had as a point in fact, the rejection of hell, as undergirding their early beginnings.

Jesus Himself warned of people being cast " into the fire that never shall be quenched: (Read More...)"

so obviously something bad happens to the unsaved, away from this world. I am not sure how those who believe this earth is hell, would explain that above verse.

This earth can feel like hell. For those who have had severe health problems and seeing ruined bodies and even worse, with abuse, crime, murder, sociopaths, this earth can feel like hell. Surely those living in Concentration Camps felt they had entered hell. I know people who have had immense physical suffering even beyond my crazy level of chronic illness, locked in syndrome where their whole bodies are paralyzed, etc. We need to have mercy for those who have suffered but I do fear this false teaching could "catch" on. It enticed me even, when I saw this video and I thought, "This world does stink",I was having a bad day that day, not breathing so great, in pain, and thought hmmmm....a lot of people are hurting right now.

If you read world history, during times of great upheaval, people lose faith. It is a DANGER. I had immense spiritual battles related to spiritual abuse and having to make the decision to part ways from an entire family and discovering "connections" very long story. I am physically disabled today partially due to medical neglect when young. If we have the Tribulation, suffering and war there will be more falling away. My FIL, lived through WWII as a child/teen, and he died as an atheist, and spoke of seeing bodies stacked like cordwood. He lived through the firebombings in Germany and was a German child. With our spiritual ennui and society growing more wicked, and more "hell" on this earth, spiritual dangers abound.I was going to write about how severe chronic illness can spiritually destroy someone--[that ex IFB pastor has a severe chronic illness] and turn them against God. How much suffering on this earth and how much does it play into spiritual warfare,but yeah, hell will be much worse then this earth.

With hell being in the center of this earth, it is possible. I know nonbelievers would mock us for not being scientific,but hell is a real place even if not having anything to do with this earth. I always hated caves, and "being underground". Any of you ever feel that way. one big city metro system one had to take a windowless underground tunnel to one subway exchange, and I barely could stand it.

Anonymous said...

BB. Yes "scientific" people would mock the idea of hell being in the center of the earth, but even modern science admits it's only been so far below the surface. We know what lays beneath the earths crust, but what lays below that (heart of the earth) even they admit to not knowing. They just call it "the core".. I've read somewhere that we've only gotten .4% to the core, not even a full half % lol.....James

A Collino said...

"Prison Planet" is a term used by scientology to describe the "planet" that Xenu (Jesus christ) dumped his undesirables at. L Ron Hubbard coined the term oddly enough...not so odd though when understanding his connection to the OTO with Crowley and Jack parsons/jet propulsion laboratories

Anonymous said...

A Collino. What does "Xenu" have to do with Jesus Christ?......James

A Collino said...

Furthest distance achieved was 8miles by the russians (kola borehole). Earth's model from a modern perspective is 100% theoretical.

Heather Noelle said...

James, sorry it's taken me a bit to follow up on this re: Abraham's bosom...it's been a busy few days. I have a 1611 KJV from Bearing Precious Seed, it's not a Scofield Bible, Luke 16:22: And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried. Not sure if I should have pointed that out but I thought you'd want to know.

I'm interested in the other Scripture you posted refuting Dispensationalism. I haven't had much chance to sit down and study it but I will. It makes sense, and I had something I wanted to pique your brain about. So...if salvation has always essentially been the same, do you foresee Daniel's 70th Week as a continuation of the same - people just calling on the name of the Lord? I'm just curious, probably a dumb question but I'm coming from a standpoint of having been taught dispensationalism for the past five years (after coming out of both the RCC and Lutheran churches for the other 39 years of my life), and looking at the big picture from a different point of view...well....yeah...it's a little bit of a worldview twister. I should be used to those by now lol...worldview twisters, that is. BB - if you have any thoughts on that I'd appreciate it too. And of course, any Scripture you have to reference. Thanks!


Anonymous said...

Hello Heather. I believe Luke 16 is speaking of two men one died and went to heaven, and the other died and went to hell. When Lazarus died he literally went into the embrace of Abraham's bosom (chest). Scripture teaches that hell is down, and heaven is up. Notice in verse 22 Lazarus was carried off by an Angel into Abraham's bosom (up), while the rich man was buried (down). Also notice in verse 23 how the rich man in hell had to lift up his eyes to see Lazarus afar off in Abraham's bosom. I believe the "gulf" mentioned is the space between heaven and hell. dispensationists have to make a new doctrine out of one verse to justify their beliefs. Every time the word "bosom" is mentioned in the bible it's speaking of someone's chest. there are some weird doctrines floating around. God bless......James......Luke 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

Anonymous said...

Heather. I've heard dispensationist claim that Luke 23:43 proves "Abraham's bosom" because, when the thief on the cross died Jesus told him he'd be with him in paradise. I've also heard people use this this to question the fact that Jesus Christ descended into hell for three days and three nights. How could Jesus have descended into hell when he was buried and still claim to be with the thief in paradise? God is omnipresent in John 3:13 Jesus said "and no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven". Here Jesus claimed to be on the earth and in heaven at the same time as "which IS in heaven" would be present tense. God created heaven and hell, and is everywhere all at once I also added a couple of scriptures that say when we die our spirit returns "upward" to God, that is if we believe on Jesus Christ. God bless....James....Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it

Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven

A Collino said...

According to hubbard, Xenu is the evil creator that enslaved humanity on this "prison planet". Same story line as the annunaki in sumerian texts, different names...they believe that Jesus Christ is the reincarnation of Xenu, that they are the same operating thetan in different periods of time (or demon). Xenu is who they proclaim to rebel against...wish I was joking...you are opening a can of worms with this topic! This one stretches further than you could ever imagine

Anonymous said...

A Collino. Wow that is crazy stuff!! I read a little about Scientology, but most of it was about its origins and where it's beliefs originated. Good info. God bless....James

Heather Noelle said...

Thank you James!