Saturday, January 14, 2017

"The American Proletariat Has Been Fooled"


USA Land of Confusion

The Trump-led republican party actually resembles the communist party in soviet Russia more than anything. It suffices to say that it is supposedly fighting for the down-trodden common American man, the worker, the proletariat, only not in distributing what was unlawfuly taken from him by the bourgeois, but in protecting his "rightful" private profit. Not that it is actually pursuing that, it just uses the appeal of the ideology to elevate a totalitarian dictatorship, and it has achieved it with Trump. The goal of the communist party has never been textbook egalitarianism, it is thinly veiled fascism and dictatorship. In the USSR, there has never been such a thing as equality, it has always been brutal Russism and imperialism. In order to achieve this in the USA, they had to create a personality cult, based on the new american "values", "values" promulgated by the ideology of Ayn Rand and others - the american idolatry of selfishness and success. This hyper-capitalistic mindset is behind both the xenophobic paranoia, that every illegal migrant is a thief, and the personality cult of DJP, that a narcissistic and self-absorbed bully is an ideal.

Honestly when I see my past church members on Facebook writing things like "healthcare is not a right", it makes me nauseous. Some almost seem extra eager to see the "government mooches" because of "muh taxes" to be dying in the ditch and with a begging bowl at the side of the alley. My feelings about some of these past church members has changed and a lot more distance grew between us as I openly warned against Trump and called him a "wicked man".

I always find the ones who have lectured me about how the poor have it better then 75% percent of the poor in the world, kind of interesting. Acutally while the poor here may have running water and get fed by the government churches via food programs, there is a lot more social stigma and expectations, and less base survival skills. They can't seem to wait for punishment and crack-downs of anyone they see as "their lessers" and it's scary stuff. I can always tell whose been reading Heritage Foundation literature about the dastardly poor. The top billionaire dog got the littler dogs to kick the dogs they see as their underlings and rode the wave to the White house.

It's such a twist, how the working class and others in America, were led to vote for their own demise yet again, and the churches put them up to it. Well most of the really poor have left the churches so this is mostly working class and lower middle class folks they fooled. Many things I warned about on this blog for years are coming together in a toxic stew of brain dead Dominionism, police state worship and a converging of the "right" and "left". Trump was seen as the worker's candidate! "Workers of the world unite for Trump!" He'll bring the jobs back, supposedly.

This isn't to say the left is perfect either with it's controls but it is interesting how they get the evangelical troops to rally against the few "good" things the government does and to cheer for the wars and police state crack downs. I've written before that the philosophies of Ayn Rand rule the churches more then the scripture or gospel. There is a growing hardness. The left may try to brain wash with their identity politics and pitting races against each other, but the hatred on the right, serves as as a supporting foundation. I noticed some years ago, the hatred against minorities was growing on the alt-right and things usually relegated to websites like Storm Front seemed to be seeping out like a growing poison.

Soon Trump will be president and what we will have? I tried to warn many but none listened except a few on this blog.  My ex-church members and me even from the "good IFB" in these warnings, grew more distant from me. I have not unfriended any though there is a chance of that from their end but I see the majority brainwashed into a pack of lies. Right and left work together for tyranny and I've been warning of that for years. How will Trump's future desire for "unity" with Russia work out?

It's bad enough that the churches unify with every new luciferian politician, but that's not the worse of it. The Jesus partisan on the blakan bloggers are correct about the American idolatry of selfishness and success. That is what is worshipped in the churches. That is what they most care about. That is now why we have a narcissistic bully for president. He is the epitome of the so called "strong man" making it to the top. Unlike former sociopaths in office who at least learned to play the political game with a modicum of restraint, this one doesn't even bother with restraint or even needing any political experience. He basically bought his way into office and his connections made it so. Most American evangelicals still remain happy and eager for the new president.

American "Christianity" makes me nauseous. Some may be surprised at the bad things I have to say about it.  There's people who have written me or written comments about how I think I am the only real Christian in the world. That is not true. I am no better then anyone else, however I am going to warn about things I see and discern.  I'm not going to sit by and keep silent watching the madness show. The simple-minded are being deceived. I may write soon on how churches enable the evil both in the micro-sense and the macro-sense when helping wicked men get elected.

There's too many silent people letting the tsunami of conformity sweep them away. Older people have no excuse in not seeing through Trump, any memories of the 1980s, and one should know better.

  If you are in my boat as a saved Christian, form that line in your mind about what they sell as "Christianity" and what scripture and Jesus taught.  It has nothing to do with what these people promote with their "leadership" campaigns,  oppressive economics, and desire to throw the elderly, disabled and poor into the street while offering no alternatives. Their mindless worship of politicians goes along with the mindless worship of their false pastors. This is why every other election cycle the churches are so easily led. The churches are a so called "soft target" for the New World Order.

Romans 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Trump has appointed multiple Goldman Sachs people to his cabinet.  He now has appointed the FIFTH. Dina Powell


Bannon - Chief Strategist and Senior Counselor (FORMER GOLDMAN SACHS/EXECUTIVE CHAIR BREITBART NEWS)
Steve Mnuchin - Nominated for Secretary of Treasury (FORMER PARTNER/SENIOR MANAGER AT GOLDMAN SACHS)
Gary Cohn - Top economic advisor (HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF GOLDMAN SACHS)
Jay Clayton - HEAD OF THE SEC (FORMER LAWYER FOR GOLDMAN SACHS)
Dina Powell - Additional Trump advisor (PARTNER AT GOLDMAN SACHS)

This may be only a semi-related topic but I ran across something the other day, which I never realized, that many believe Russia is the "Third Rome", and it does have historical precedent. This is interesting if the third Rome unifies with Rome [Catholic-Orthodox unity] or even Russia and America together. I've seen America referred to as the "new rome too" among conspiracy theorists.

Third Rome [Orthodox Wiki for information]

 Putin and the Third Holy Roman Empire

Russia Today [not an endorsement-I've warned about them] even shows an artist making a bust of Putin as a Roman emperor:


32 comments:

AW said...

I hadn't planned on sharing this (it is the writing of a clear explanation for all of this that I've been trying to get back to), but it is very relevant for your post Biblebeliever.

When scripture talks about the Beast, it sometimes refers to a culture or civilization. It sometimes refers to a country or kingdom and it sometimes refers to an individual or leader. The case is quite clearly made (directly from the interpretation the Lord gave Daniel) that the culture/civilization is Roman and Russia is absolutely one of the 2 legs of that empire (Daniel 2) and one of the 10 horns (Daniel 7). The beast/leader is more than likely Apollyon, since we are told that both 'ascend out of the bottomless pit.'

And then there is the beast's country/kingdom, the 11th horn of Daniel 7. It is different from the other 10 kings, it is Greco-Roman (Daniel 8), it is arrogant and proud, and mouths blasphemous words (remember, blasphemy/taking the Lord's name in vain is much more about swearing falsely and using God's name for a pretense... in short, it is the religious hypocrite). The dominion of this kingdom, just as with the other civilizations represented in Daniel 7, does not mean a literal, world-wide rule (Persia never ruled the Amazon, nor did Rome ever dominate China). Instead it means that this kingdom is the World Superpower.

The 10 kings do not receive dominion until the very end when Babylon is destroyed. I propose this 11th horn, the beast's country is end-time Babylon and that the '7 mountains' upon which she sits are exactly what the Dominionists say they are... the 7 mountains (or heads) of Western culture (the beast civilization). It is this country/kingdom that we are seeing rise with this current administration and the convergence of the 3-legged stool (the cooperation of 3 'vital' sectors of society: Government/State, Business/Economy, and Church/Faith-based according to Rick Warren, Peter Drucker, et al). A defining characteristic of end-time Babylon is her extreme covetousness. It's the 'Church in the Marketplace.'

AW said...

God's end-time judgments come as a 'curse' that goes out over the face of the whole earth. In Zech 5, we are also told there are two particular targets of this curse: the Thief and the religious Hypocrite (the liar who swears falsely by God's name). We then see the preparation for the rise of Babylon and the Four Winds/Spirits of heaven that the Lord sends out from His throne. It's no coincidence that these 4 Winds are the same as the horsemen of the first 4 seals in Revelation 6.

There is a biblical pattern to these judgments, which the Lord calls His 'four sore/severe judgments' and false teacher Jonathan Cahn has done an enormous amount of damage and furthered the deception by both mistaking when these judgments started as well as WHY they come. See, the thing about the law the Hebrew Roots people just don't get is that there are only blessings if one keeps ALL of it. Otherwise there is a curse. Those of us who are saved, each had a moment of repentance where we realized not only our inability to keep what God requires, but our complete deserving of death under His law. That's what's so amazing about what Jesus did for each of us, by fulfilling the law when we couldn't, as well as dying in our place as was our rightful sentence.

Believers are not under this curse of the law... as long as we are in Christ and do not fall away into unbelief and ultimately rebellion (while deceiving ourselves that we are still serving God just like this rising apostate church). But the Bible is clear that it is by the law that God judges the world, since His law is how sin is revealed (Romans 3:9-20). And in fact, another part of 'the curse' is found in God's law on how to deal with a suspected adulteress and I propose this bitter water that brings the curse is how the Lord's judgment began (with His church first according to 1 Peter 4:17). I think the very first of His '4 Sore Judgments' this time around was the Lord passing 'the cup' to the church to separate the faithful from the unfaithful, the wheat from the tares.

These 4 Sore Judgments are found in Jeremiah 15 and Ezekiel 14. They consist of:

1 - Wild beasts/captivity (in the Old Testament, these were enemies who took their children into captivity--see Lev 26:22/Deut 28:41; in the New Testament, these are false prophets who bring into captivity/bondage--see 2 Peter 2:12,19, also Jude 1:10)
2 - the Sword
3 - Famine
4 - Death/pestilence

If these judgments look familiar, it is because they are precisely the same judgments of God's first 4 seals (the 4 horsemen) in Rev 6. And as the linked study shows, the 'curse of the law,' though originally part of God's covenant with Israel, is also part of how He judges a world which has refused Him and ripened in the fullness of wickedness. The curse is God's judgment on an adulterous people (and upon the Real Root of Bitterness.

AW said...

We've discussed before whether or not God raises up the wicked. But regardless of one's view either way, scripture is clear that part of God's judgment on mankind is giving them over to what they've chosen (as in Romans 1). That's what I think we are seeing here, in that each of these judgments are something evil men have machinated. But they are also what the Lord has 'unleashed' in His timing by lifting His restraining hand (He 'recompenses' their deeds on their own heads... or "Let the punishment fit the crime").

Without further ado, the 4 Sore Judgments:

Seal 1 - (1994) The rise of the Dominionists, unleashing of deception, false kingdom "of God" ('conquer'=nikao/to overcome, laity=people, the Nicolaitans(Nikolaïtēs)=Dominionists); C. Peter Wagner coins the term "New Apostolic Reformation" in 1994 and the 'Toronto blessing' sweeps the world. [Key words: 'Revival,' 'Outpouring of the [s]pirit']

2 - (2001) The 'liberation' of the Beast's government under the guise of the 'Global War on Terror' [Key words: 'Full Spectrum Dominance,' 'Revolution in Military Affairs,' 'Total War,' 'Patriot Act'] The World is a Battlefield

3 - (2008) The rise of the Plunderers (Financial crash, the $700 billion TARP bailout, the Paulson Plan... keeping mind that Hank Paulson, Treasury Secretary in 2008, came to that job directly from Goldman Sachs, a major player in this plundering.)

4 - (2015) the rise of the Beast's kingdom and the Harlot church, Death & Hades; The merging of all 3 previously-unleashed 'legs'/entities to form the Beast's kingdom of Babylon (what we are seeing come to fruition right now). [Key words: 'National Revival,' 'Reclaiming America,' 'Christian Leadership,' 'Spiritual Awakening,' 'New Reformation']

There is some degree of crossover between these judgments... for example, the 'Republican Revolution' of 1994, the political debut of the NAR in 2008 (Palin), the merging of the religious leg with the state under 'Faith-based Initiatives' in 2001. But the 3 key groups remain the same -- it's the Family's model of 'Biblical Capitalism,' accurately summarized by Bruce Wilson as "fus[ing] radical economic privatization with coercive fundamentalist morality imposed by the state upon subject populations."

It's disturbing to hear of so many Goldman Sachs people being put in place, but I'm not a bit surprised given that it fits the judgments exactly. They didn't quite get the total unrestrained power they wanted in the bailout/Paulson act (what critics referred to as the Financial version of the Patriot Act). And I have the most uneasy feeling that all the rhetoric (especially from the NAR/Charismatics/Hebrew Roots) about 'jubilees' and debt repudiation may be involved at healing the financial sphere at some point. It's ironic that most mainstream authors like AE Pritchards who push the Jubilee are always careful to note, that while a biblical practice, jubilees/economic resets also go all the way back...to ancient Babylon).

AW said...

So here's the sobering thing, and why I feel it is appropriate (even imperative) to share now... according to the Biblical pattern of these judgments (Lev 26), there are only 4 sets of 7 years and we have already entered the last set. There are believers who know that things are really, really off but haven't quite placed how or exactly what it is. For others who are pre-trib, please be willing to go back to scripture to examine what exactly the tribulation is, because I can't find anywhere that says it's 7 or even 3.5 years (it's not the same thing as either the 1-week covenant or the beast's reign).

And about that covenant, the one that the 11th horn makes with Israel... it's the same covenant we are told in Isaiah 28:15 the leaders of Israel make with Death and Hades. The 4th seal are the only riders we are given names for--Death and Hades. If they indeed represent the rise of the Beast's kingdom and the Harlot church, then do we know of any unprecedented cooperation/merging (say, between the Republican National Committee and the NAR) and their direct contact with Israel and Israel's leaders? How about that NAR-funded RNC trip to Israel in February 2015, mere weeks before the equally unprecidented presence of the Israeli Prime Minister in the United States Congress?

Yeah. And one other place that this same Death and Hades is mentioned is in Habakkuk 2, describing the covetousness and plundering by Babylon.
The hour is late indeed.

As Jesus Himself tells us in regard to these very events, "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh" (Luke 21:28).

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus (Rev 22:20)

Debra said...

Matthew 24:35-41

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

The people who are not saved will embrace the anti-Christ and anti-Christ system. Those who are luke-warm will also attempt to follow him but the Lord will purge and refine them. They do not take the mark but become deceived.

Matthew 24:10
“And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.” I Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.Daniel 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

This blindness will take over the world as it is happening today. The culture of our society is becoming more and more hostile towards Christian values and lifestyles. They make the youth feel alienated unless they participate in anti-Christ behavior and beliefs. The educational system makes a mockery of Christianity. Church leaders tell you where the door is if you happen to go against the tide of their apostasy. The sheep are sleeping and have been in a state of hypnosis from all the witchcraft. So when you have a voice you are silenced, shunned, rebuked and hated.

Bible Believer said...

I agree with you AW regarding the different meanings of "Beast" in scripture, that one is multi-layered, I have no doubt. Yes Daniel makes the Roman flavor of all this clear as does all the Roman temples in Washington DC. I agree with your theory about Russia being one of the legs of the empire and then take Gog and Magog into account.

Consider Apollyon, well there may be a reason Trump has a room dedicated to Apollo. Agree about the world super-power and the 7 mountains [well the Dominionists have listed them all of us, haven't they, the structures of western civilization] Yes it is the church married to the government/capitalist system. Agree Church in marketplace, where it's all about worship of the money and idolatry of success. Look these so called "Christians" voted in a billionaire that was advertised as wicked for decades with his works known for years.

Bible Believer said...

I agree with your list of judgements too. The convergence of all these different groups have come together too, The NAR, Dominionists, the mainline churches-New Reformation, etc, and yes any Jubilees that get called in will be for their OWN betterment not any of the little people. There's no bail-outs for American families, the big bankers got them instead. They have gotten the churches to worship the power structure, and to bow before it, both left and right. None speak of spiritual or even earthly oppressions. Even the social justice crowd lauds the ultra rich via Soros and their ideas of elite elder statesmen directing the solutions for society. "Biblical Capitalism" will be as much of a scourge as the Communist kingdoms of yesterday.

I want to add in with the convergence...[I feel even more alone on this blog and the few people who come here] of the "conspiracy" community and "alt-right" ["NWO aware" Christian] who even were mostly herded into the Trump camp via Alex Jones, Views with News and pals.

I've read some of the interaction with Israel, well keep this very old article in your mind...

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2011/01/those-who-want-temple-rebuilt.html

Trump definitely has some interesting connections with Israel.

http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2016/11/sanhedrin-calls-on-trump-and-putin-to-build-third-temple-in-jerusalem-001268507.html

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/mr-trump-rebuild-the-third-temple/

Bible Believer said...

Debra the pressures are going to be great.

I have been under huge spiritual attack, it is even hard to explain. Some of it is heartache watching the whole mess. I have learned I need to protect myself from false "Christians" more. Is this to say I am better no it's not. There are good and nice people in the churches who don't know any better, but there are many who are there following "another spirit" and it will make itself known.

I will say it again here, some of the worse persecution is going to come from the "Christian" crowd against those who are truly God's children. It will test many of us. I have struggled massively with my own emotions watching these church people open the door to more evil and do so with no discernment led yes by the witchcraft of their false pastors.

Bible Believer said...

correction above, meant News With Views...

AW said...

I have been under huge spiritual attack, it is even hard to explain. Some of it is heartache watching the whole mess

I will be praying for you and definitely understand, having the increasing spiritual division from people I care deeply for. It's incredibly frustrating to not get through. They do not see it and we can do absolutely nothing to help them see except pray. It really is our oil for us alone and we cannot share it, not because we don't want to, but because we can't.

And it's heartbreaking.

SJLC said...

AW,

I have a question about this part:
"The dominion of this kingdom, just as with the other civilizations represented in Daniel 7, does not mean a literal, world-wide rule"

That's true about the other kingdoms not conquering China, Americas, Australia etc. But don't you think now with the push towards globalization that this coming one might really be a world-wide regime?


Revelation 13
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Anonymous said...

dear bible believer what if another voice blog or ephesians 5:11 blog get on the balme the jews crowd. and George Handel who composed the messiah was a Freemason.

AW said...

SJLC, you may very well be right about globalization, but I do think that 'globalization' by trans/multi-national corporations has already happened. They do not want national sovereignty in their way, but that doesn't necessarily mean a single, worldwide government.

It could very well be accomplished via a bunch of free trade agreements that remove any ability of national governments to restrict corporations and business interests, and the primary country pushing these (TPP, TTIP, TISA) is obvious (the United States). And we are the main country that doesn't play by the rules we make everyone else abide by whenever we don't want to. The Western financial system already dominates the world, and they are 'integrating the gap' to make that control complete (as BB addressed here).

So, although it is definitely possible that the globalists just want to obliterate all national governments, including America's, there are several very powerful factions within the deep state that have now been put into power in Trump's administration that are not on the same page as the pure globalists (Eastern Establishment/Wall Street, etc). I've discussed the connections of the Family, CNP/Religious Right, and NAR to this administration in my comments on BB's post here). I also quoted Sharlet on The Family and that they serve the continuation of the American Empire.

We may find out that a lot of what they do that looks like 'globalism' is just a stealth version of 'America uber alles,' just like the Family's 'ecumenicism' is more accurately described (even by themselves) as 'stealth evangelism'... to their christ of course, a christ that represents pure power. Understanding the Family's agenda is helpful in recognizing some of what they are up to (dismantling the EU's cumbersome regulations and safety restrictions, privitizing everything they can get their hands on in Britain including police services, education, and the big fish they've been eyeing for a long time - the NHS). Same here, they want to take over provision of all kinds of services (education, social services and welfare, addiction and rehab, and on and on). That's where their pushing through of the so-called 'faith based initiatives' came in and they'll use the PEACE plan of Family-affiliate Rick Warren to do the same thing globally.

I realize it's very hard to grasp just how pervasively and profoundly influential the Family is and how much power they wield if you aren't that familiar with them (and everyone who starts looking into them has an 'Aaack, this is BAD!' moment, because it really, truly is that big).

So I would conclude with this: If the American empire and her domination of the finacial system via the dollar go down in flames and do not recover, but are sidelined in world events, then yes, it will most likely be a version of 'globalism.' However, if there is a miraculous recovery of both the American empire and the 'healing'/solidifying of the dollar in the world's financial system, please consider that it may just very well be that America is the little horn, the beast's kingdom of Babylon (especially since they seem to be poised to do this in God's name).

" This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king. Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold." -- Daniel 2:36-38

AW said...

"But C Street was in its own category, simultaneously banal--a prayer meeting of congressmen in which they insisted on called God 'Coach'--and more unsettling than anything I'd witnessed. Doug Coe, the 'first brother' of the Family since 1969, used to say that Jesus was not a sissy. That disdain for weakness infuses the movement's theology so completely, so naturally, that it comes across as almost amiable. 'I've seen pictures of the young men in the Red Guard,' he says in a videotaped sermon, a tall man in a rumpled suit, spreading out his hands like he's setting up a joke. 'They would bring in this young man's mother... he would take an axe and cut her head off.' Coe makes a chopping motion. That, he says, is dedication to a cause. But there's nothing grim about his presentation; he sounds like he's inviting you to join a team or a fund-raiser. And he is.

'A covenant! A pledge!' he exclaims, setting up the punch line. 'That's what Jesus said.' Such is the C Street style, the most violent metaphors imaginable deployed as maxims for everyday living, from the prayer calendar on the wall that called on the house's congressional tenants to devote a portion of each morning to spiritual war (combat by prayer) against 'demonic strongholds' such as Buddhism and Hinduism, to Coe's routine invocation of history's worst villains as models for the muscle he'd rather see applied on Christ's behalf. The first time I met Coe, he was in the midst of a spiritual mentoring session in which he cited 'Hitler, Lenin, Ho Chi Minh [and] bin Laden' as models with which to understand the 'total Jesus' worshipped by the Family...

Coe's Hitler talk wasn't limited to the example of power I'd witnessed him offering Rep. Tiahrt at C Street, although it has to be said, immediately and emphatically, that Coe is not a neo-Nazi. He uses Hitler, his defenders declare, as a metaphor. For what? For Jesus. The lion and the lamb are too abstract for Coe. He asks his followers to imagine pure power, as modeled by Hitler and other totalitarians; then, he instructs, imagine that power used for Christ, for good instead of evil... Case closed--until 2008, when NBC aired a videotape given to me by an evangelical critic of the Family's 'spiritual abuse,' as he put it, depicting Coe rattling on to a group of evangelical leaders about the fellowship model offered by 'Hitler, Goebbels, and Himmler.' There was more: audio buried deep on the website of the Navigators, a fundamentalist ministry, of Coe going into greater detail on the depth of commitment he thought his disciples should learn from such men: 'You say, hey, you know Jesus said, "You got to put him before mother-father-brother-sister"? Hitler, Lenin, Mao, that's what they taught the kids. Mao even had the kids killing their own mother and father. But it wasn't murder. It was for building the new nation. The new kingdom.' -- (p.7-8, 16-17)

AW said...

"Once I asked a young Family leader about the dictators and thugs and white-collar criminals it seems to specialize in. 'I don't worry about whether some of them are wolves,' he said, 'because I'd rather let a wolf in than keep any sheep out.' I pointed out that there are no sheep in the Family, since the organization was only interested in leaders. 'Yeah,' he agreed, 'but don't the wolves need Jesus most of all?'

As Coe's authority grew, so did the Fellowship's reach around the globe, with cells in the governments of seventy nations by the late 1960's, more than double that of just a few years earlier. The Catholic generals and colonels who rotated coup by coup through the leadership of Brazil, Guatemala, El Salvador, and other Latin American countries consented to the Protestant ministrations of the Fellowship in return for access to American congressmen. Indonesia's Suharto, ostensibly a Muslim, declared of his Christian prayers in the presence of American oilmen, 'In this way we convert ourselves, nobody converts us!' Ethiopia's Emperor Haile Selassie, who believed he was himself God, gladly became a financial backer of the Fellowship in return for the flow of American foreign aid facilitated by its members. It was a pray-to-be-paid scheme, by savvy foreign leaders who could flatter the moral imaginations of American politicians in exchange for military dollars. Sometimes the Family made possible a relationship that might not otherwise have occurred, but mostly it cloaked realpolitik in religion, allowing its politician members to imagine they were doing God's work as they funneled guns and cash and power to dictators such as Generalissimo Franscisco Franco in Spain, General Park Chung-hee in South Korea, Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines." -- (p.31)

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"Ignoring the sermon, he [Abram Vereide] scribbles on his program. He's making a list of departments for his new movement [1935], and next to each heading he writes the name of a man who will be responsible for it: for finances, for organization. Next to his own name, Abram writes power. Then he crosses it out. Power, Abram would teach, resides in that which is not seen--politically as well as spiritually. 'Our prayer,' declared the Prayer Breakfast programs of Abram's successor, Coe, 'is "He shall have dominion from Sea to Sea,"' a statement of ambition only matched by the subtlety with which it's pursued. 'We try to be nearly invisible,' Family leader Rev. Richard Halverson demurred in 1981, the year he assumed the chaplaincy of the U.S. Senate, with no formal recognition of the Family affiliation that made him a pastor to the elite. Dominion, suggests David Coe, Doug's son, is 'an invisible Kingdom,' won not by conquest but through substitution, the replacement of democratic vistas with 'His vision.'" -- (p.42-43)

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"He [Sanford] went for Bible studies but hung around for the camaraderie; besides, there was never too much Bible up for discussion, just a verse, or a 'thought,' as the men would put it, and, on special occasions, leading questions from Doug Coe about what Christ might have to say about Social Security, or building roads, or any other government endeavor: Let go and let God--the popular evangelical catchphrase was transformed at C Street into a mandate for the transfer of public wealth into private hands, for our own good. In lieu of regulation, C Street preaches 'reconciliation,' a process put into practice by bringing politicians and business leaders together to declare to one another their earnest desire to do right by God and each other. 'Self-interest by proxy' is how one honest free marketeer, Will Wilkinson of the conservative Cato Institute, describes the C Street brand of back-scratching biblical capitalism." -- (Sharlet, C Street, p.59)

AW said...

"American fundamentalism resists the idea that it is political because its ambitions, ultimately, are not. Or, at least, not conceived as such. Evangelicalism, from which fundamentalism grows, emphasizes the salvation and transformation of individuals. And on an individual basis, that transformation most often really isn't political. But applied to power as it already exists, the recruitment of elites, it becomes what one Family leader called 'benevolent subversion.' A means of achieving political transformation without conflict. Inasmuch as the rest of us accede to that seductive idea, inasmuch as we cling to the myth of harmony at the cost of democracy, we become collaborators. Not in the rise of fundamentalism, but in the exchange of democracy for stability.

The fundamentalist through of this book's subtitle isn't a barbarian at the gate. Nor is it an ideology that erects statues, a theology in jackboots. It's far more practical than that. It's a religion that asks, like Doug Coe does, 'What does Jesus have to say about building roads?' And just as important, Who'll get the contract? What's the margin? We've reached a point where piety and corruption aren't at odds but are one and the same. It's a familiar moment to students of history: the late stage of empire, hairline fractures shooting through the foundations of society. They're like cracks in the sidewalk; by the time you see them, the damage has already been done." -- (ibid, p.89)

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"But most of the travel is to foreign policy trouble spots: the Middle East, Eastern Europe, the Balkans, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Central America, Africa's oil-rich nations. And even though the political missionaries charge their travel sometimes to the taxpayer, sometimes to the Family, they aren't representing U.S. interests; they're putting the weight of the U.S. Congress behind their private religious crusade. The goal? 'Two hundred national and international world leaders bound together relationally by a mutual love for God and the family,' according to a document outlining the movement's long-term vision. 'The structure is hidden,' the document adds. It's a love that walks softly, with the big stick of American power behind it." -- (ibid, p.94)

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"The International Peace Organization takes its inspiration, meanwhile, from a 2008 book by another Family man, former congressman Mark Siljander: A Deadly Misunderstanding: A Congressman's Quest to Bridge the Muslim-Christian Divide. It's a book that encapsulates the sanctimony and the seediness, the self-declared humility and the barely veiled vanity of the fundamentalists threat to democracy. It may well also be the clearest statement of the C Street ethos available, the most definitive declaration of the Family's worldview...

In time, Siljander writes, he'd come to realize that this oddly compelling man [Coe], otherworldly and yet humble, was a messenger from God. Siljander describes him as one of 'the three visiting spirits' God would send him, the three hinges on which the door of Mark Siljander's destiny hung. And, his destiny was love. He'd been confused, consumed by hate; Coe taught him love. 'Love doesn't mean I like you,' Siljander would explain years later; when he had become a visiting spirit himself, traveling the world on behalf of the Family, a Coe protégé bringing the sheep--congressmen, dictators, businessmen--together. Love doesn't equal like; it's more powerful. Like makes friends, hate makes enemies, but love? Love seduces. Look at the world through the lens of love, Coe said. There are no enemies, just opportunities...

(con't)

AW said...

By then, the Family had already led Siljander away from his knee-jerk antagonism to Islam and toward a more sophisticated response. Not ecumenicism; stealth evangelism. The head-on approach of traditional fundamentalism--a crude but honest argument for one faith over another--was a dead end, at least when it came to the 'kings,' the powerful leaders, whom the Family considers its specialty. For them to convert would by suicide. Besides, Siljander learned, the very term 'convert' was a mistranslation of an Aramaic word, shalem, better rendered as 'submit,' or 'surrender,' or 'be restored.' That's what the Family wanted for its Muslim friends: restoration, by way of submission. They could keep the label Muslim so long as they bowed before Jesus...

Siljander's years of experience at Coe's side became the basis of A Deadly Misunderstanding, and the book, in turn, became the basis for the 'Reconciliation' PowerPoint promoted by the International Peace Organization, a summary, in effect, of the Family's soft-sell evangelism; a distillation of the C Street approach to religious harmony. 'Reconciliation' warns against so-called Words that Confront, such as crusade and convert, illustrating the difference between them and dialogue--the right approach--by juxtaposing a picture of an enraged Adam Sandler from his movie Anger Management, and a puzzling image seemingly lifted from a warm-up scene for a 1970's porno film: a bearded man with a wedding ring putting the moves on a feathered blonde in gold lame and pearls, a visualization of the crass seduction the Family calls reconciliation." -- (ibid, p.110, 111-112, 115-116)

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The Globalists do not really fit the description of the Harlot, the beast's kingdom of Babylon who sits on and dominates those 7 heads/spheres of Western culture... these folks in the Family definitely do and they've already committed an amazing amount of harlotry with all the kings of the earth. And they do it all in the name of Christ.

And they have almost completely transitioned this country to their 'totalitarianism for Christ,' as opposed to what they view as the ultimate 'rebellion' against God's anointed/chosen (them): democracy. Kingdom #7 is almost dead, Kingdom #8 is almost here.

[The series linked above on the Family is excellent, but if you prefer a video format, this video is also a good intro to the Family. And the guy who made the Rick Warren video available has done a lot of research on the Family and the Gathering, and he calls Warren a member of the Family.]

Douglas Andrew Willinger said...

A pair of posts I have written about the 3rd Rome and the man who became our new U.S. President:

http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot.com/2014/09/western-eastern-roman-empire-101.html

http://southmallblogger.blogspot.com/2016/02/about-donald-trump.html

Anonymous said...

Is Glen Beck also a part of the Family? I was taken in for a time, by his political, religious, and socio-economic rhetoric for a time, until the Holy Spirit revealed the truth concerning this man who is using the LORD'S Name in vain for his personal gain.

He has had quite the influence on Christianity, in the name of his Mormonism.

Bible Believer said...

Thank you AW, I am in strange position, despising more and more of the "Christian" world. Leaving the IFB system has changed me too. I also have had to deal with the odd outcomes of the spiritual abuser I detailed in the deliverance article. Among my old Christian crowd, they have massively distanced themselves from me in my protests against Trump. Thanks for understanding and I appreciate your information here too.

Another Voice does refer to the Zionists a bit much but they are antichrist too. I don't see them as anti-semitic. Hope I am not proven wrong. Ephesians 5:11 closed down their website.

I think globalization has already happened, maybe like "unity in diversity" they never have to make it an "official one world order" like the official "one world religion". Yeah they could bring in through the back door with the different trade deals. All the wars are about internationalizing the banks for the Western financial system. [Glad you remember my "integrate the gap" articles]

yes they are setting up their "christ" of pure power, and doing it all by stealth. Didn't Trump have his rabbi and preachers all praying. I didn't watch the disgusting display but saw some non-Christians disgusted by the overt religious displays.

The EU is going hard core "Republican" too [lol best word I can use] with their Brexit and dismantling of the safety nets over there. The cries for privatization even for Medicare here is so they can fill the capitalist cronies pockets with more money and acquire more power. How Americans have not started protesting yet as the costs of everything crushes them, makes no sense. Guess they are all too beaten down. The Evangelicals voted in their "strong man" and whose throat does he go for first? The disabled and elderly and those who are sick. Even DeVos being put in charge of public schools is about privatizing them, maybe all the charters were just practice runs. Charters around here seem to be money-grubber exercises for many.

Yeah finding out about The Family is scary business. It is huge and world wide, with tendrils into the whole "evangelical globalist network"

It is hard to know do they plan a dismantling of the USA empire or to increase it...the little horn?
Thanks for the quotes and more. I should post some videos on the Family if I can find some decent ones out there.

Bible Believer said...


"We've reached a point where piety and corruption aren't at odds but are one and the same."

This is a scary line.

Haven't may a sociopath used religion as a "cover" for what they were. Sheeps in wolves clothing indeed.

" Like makes friends, hate makes enemies, but love? Love seduces. Look at the world through the lens of love, Coe said. There are no enemies, just opportunities..."

Spoken like a true sociopath here too.

Well tyranny already has sold well in America under the supposed "Christian" mantle.

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Shocking view of rape from David Coe, son of the present leader of The Family, the Fellowship.


I've been reading about the outrageous words of George Will about rape. It's hard to wrap my mind around the attitudes that seem to be prevailing lately by the right wing.

I remembered something I had read in an article by Jeff Sharlet, author of The Family. It was in Salon in 2009.

We know that The Family was originally founded as an anti-labor movement by Abraham Vereides.

It was a movement more about power and making political contacts than about religion. The present leader is Doug Coe.

His son, David Coe, made some very strange remarks about those who rape as quoted by Jeff Sharlet in this article about C Street.

Sex and power inside “the C Street House”

Family leaders consider their political network to be Christ’s avant garde, an elite that transcends not just conventional morality but also earthly laws regulating lobbying. In the Family’s early days, they debated registering as “a lobby for God’s Kingdom.” Instead, founder Abraham Vereide decided that the group could be more effective by working personally with politicians. “The more invisible you can make your organization,” Vereide’s successor, current leader Doug Coe preaches, “the more influence you can have.” That’s true — which is why we have laws requiring lobbyists to identify themselves as such.

But David Coe, Doug Coe’s son and heir apparent, calls himself simply a friend to men such as John Ensign, whom he guided through the coverup of his affair. I met the younger Coe when I lived for several weeks as a member of the Family. He’s a surprising source of counsel, spiritual or otherwise. Attempting to explain what it means to be chosen for leadership like King David was — or Mark Sanford, according to his own estimate — he asked a young man who’d put himself, body and soul, under the Family’s authority, “Let’s say I hear you raped three little girls. What would I think of you?” The man guessed that Coe would probably think that he was a monster. “No,” answered Coe, “I wouldn’t.” Why? Because, as a member of the Family, he’s among what Family leaders refer to as the “new chosen.” If you’re chosen, the normal rules don’t apply.


Their support of dictators around the world who commit atrocities is also a shocking stance, and it seems to prove the point about the group being about power....not about religion.

If the Family men who stood over John Ensign as he wrote a baldly insincere breakup letter to his mistress were naive about hearts that want what they want, they don’t claim ignorance about the strongmen with whom they build bonds of prayer and foreign aid. They admire them. Counseling Rep. Tiahrt, Doug Coe offered Pol Pot and Osama bin Laden as men whose commitment to their causes is to be emulated. Preaching on the meaning of Christ’s words, he says, “You know Jesus said ‘You got to put Him before mother-father-brother sister? Hitler, Lenin, Mao, that’s what they taught the kids. Mao even had the kids killing their own mother and father. But it wasn’t murder. It was for building the new nation. The new kingdom.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025137899

Bible Believer said...

"Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."

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"When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.

Clinton declined our requests for an interview about her faith, but in Living History, she describes her first encounter with Fellowship leader Doug Coe at a 1993 lunch with her prayer cell at the Cedars, the Fellowship's majestic estate on the Potomac. Coe, she writes, "is a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."

Bible Believer said...

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics?page=3

Bible Believer said...

http://www.fogcityjournal.com/wordpress/1505/the-fellowship-a-secretive-christian-fundementalist-organization/

Anonymous said...

Please stay diligent. When one rejects one of the many compartments that this world wants us all in, then more often than not you will feel alone. Always keep in mind our Lord Jesus Christ and his Word. God bless.....James

Debra said...

The Federalist led by Hamilton increased national debt Wikipedia:
Federalist policies called for a national bank, tariffs, and good relations with Great Britain as expressed in the Jay Treaty negotiated in 1794. Hamilton developed the concept of implied powers and successfully argued the adoption of that interpretation of the United States Constitution. Their political opponents, the Democratic-Republicans led by Thomas Jefferson, denounced most of the Federalist policies, especially the bank and implied powers, and vehemently attacked the Jay Treaty as a sell-out of republican values to the British monarchy. The Jay Treaty passed, and the Federalists won most of the major legislative battles in the 1790s. They held a strong base in the nation's cities and in New England. After the Democratic-Republicans, whose base was in the rural South, won the hard-fought election of 1800, the Federalists never returned to power. They recovered some strength by their intense opposition to the War of 1812, but they practically vanished during the Era of Good Feelings that followed the end of the war in 1815.[6]

The Federalists left a lasting legacy in the form of a strong federal government with a sound financial base, and after losing executive power they decisively shaped Supreme Court policy for another three decades through the person of Chief Justice John Marshall.

REPUBLICAN Wikipedia: opposed national debt
National debt
Jefferson and Albert Gallatin focused on the danger that the public debt, unless it was paid off, would be a threat to republican values. They were appalled that Hamilton was increasing the national debt and using it to solidify his Federalist base. Gallatin was the Republican Party's chief expert on fiscal issues and as Treasury Secretary under Jefferson and Madison worked hard to lower taxes and lower the debt, while at the same time paying cash for the Louisiana Purchase and funding the War of 1812. Burrows says of Gallatin:

His own fears of personal dependency and his small shopkeeper's sense of integrity, both reinforced by a strain of radical republican thought that originated in England a century earlier, convinced him that public debts were a nursery of multiple public evils--corruption, legislative impotence, executive tyranny, social inequality, financial speculation, and personal indolence. Not only was it necessary to extinguish the existing debt as rapidly as possible, he argued, but Congress would have to ensure against the accumulation of future debts by more diligently supervising government expenditures.[19]

Fear of a large debt is a major legacy of the party. Andrew Jackson believed the national debt was a "national curse" and he took special pride in paying off the entire national debt in 1835.[20] Politicians ever since have used the issue of a high national debt to denounce the other party for profligacy and a threat to fiscal soundness and the nation's future.[21]

Monroe and Adams, 1816–1828

I note: What we see happening is a transition from Republican into Federalism. A monarchy where we are the servants of the government rather than the government being the servant of the people. No different than Democrat as they also have put us into further debt.Republican party originally wanted the states to have the ability to over-rule the government. Republican or Democrat they both have not changed the laws to stop slaughtering babies.

Anonymous said...

Debra, since the Supreme Court passed Roe v Wade it makes it extremely difficult to overturn it as then the Supreme Court rules it is pretty final. You can't blame the Republicans for not getting it nixed. For one thing there is always the opposition party who is going to block or a president who will veto it. It is a shame that it got to the Supremes and was based on a false premise with one of the litigants recanting years later that she had been manipulated.

I disagree that the motive with this administration is to turn us into a monarchy. The Democrats are the "tax and spend" party. Certainly Republicans share in the blame. But they do not promote abortion. It may be more important to protect our country's borders, beef up our military and look after our own people for a change and count the financial cost later. We pour so much money down the rat hole that could have been saved and bring down the debt. But everyone wants their pet projects. This has gone on for too long and put us in the current situation. It will be painful to reverse things and that is what people are protesting. They want their cake and eat it too.

Honestly, I think you are a bit mixed up on this issue.

Anonymous said...

It seems to me that we were living in a monarchy-type of rule under Obama with how he and his family cashed in on all the expensive trips and vacations and wingdings at the White House with his liberal buddies at taxpayer expense. Then he tries to counter it by saying they pay for their own household items. Trump doesn't live to take a vacation and when he does it is to one of the properties that he owns such as in Florida. And he is a hard-working president who takes his job seriously. I just hope he can keep up the pace in the midst of all the opposition he faces from the liberal buildup of the past. He has hit the ground running to accomplish as much as possible while he has a majority in Congress. He is far from perfect, but at least he is a man of his word. That hasn't happened for a very long time. Probably because he isn't a career politician.

Anonymous said...

I have recently heard disturbing statements pertaining to Trump's spiritual condition, coming from the lying signs and wonders c'hurch. They believe Trump was "born again" around election time and his "prophetic role" is to do god's will for America.

Since coming out of an abusive so called conservative "prophetic church," where sexual immorality reigned supreme, it will be interesting to watch the fruits of Trump to actually see if he is, indeed, born again of the Spirit of our LORD. His tweets certainly don't resemble the good and godly heart we see from those who truly follow Jesus. Time will tell.

Bible Believer said...

Trumps choices for cabinet make it clear he is not the real deal. They seem to be all wicked money-grubbers, we are even getting a labor secretary that wants Americans paid less. I guess they want the full swing into the USA as a third world nation.

I would walk immediately out of any church telling me that Trump was "god's chosen" and they would have to probably spray off the puke with a hose off the sidewalk in front.

I guess I am too poor, and well I see that we are going to be CRUSHED. Trump makes me sick.

Bible Believer said...

none of them care about abortion, that is the biggest joke in the earth that either of them do. Republicans ignore the economic factors, and put money above everything.

Bible Believer said...

Thank you James, I do feel very alone lately and it's grown worse watching the Christian world grovel at this man's feet. I am so sickened.