Sunday, January 1, 2017

Feeling Disenfranchised from the "Christian" World?


 Looking at the national scene, false "Christianity" has become a joke, with Franklin Graham joining prosperity preacher Paula White, a Jewish rabbi and a Catholic Cardinal for Trump's inauguration. Franklin Graham has told us Trump has won by the hand of God now.  Read the comments on this article, you will want to cry if you realize what Trump is. American "Christianity" has become a nauseating and wearying reality TV show. Does anyone feel like I do disenfranchised even more so from what is passing as "Christian"?

This is a new time, the Dominionists are taking over you see. Well I warned about it long enough didn't I? The  faux "Christian" world will be going to new heights of evil. The authoritarianism is growing too. Real Christianity is not supposed to be political Triumphalism.
It is not legalism, and dictators mandating our lives.

There can be spiritual attacks for feelings this way. I have undergone some. I am going to warn some the longer you are out of the church system, it can get hard.  Lately it has brought me self questioning and examination.  This idea that I am so apart from other "Christians" that I don't belong anywhere. I have even thought "Who are you to have walked out of it all?"  Then I answer myself, "There look at scripture. You were told to!" Leaving the IFBs was a big deal for me and giving up that dream. Seeing where people I once fellowshiped with and where they have gone, has been hard. Every past church member save for one, voted for Trump. They seemed to have "changed". It's hard to explain. I've been shocked and dismayed. The Bush days were easy compared to this.

I ask myself even of my IFB church members would I even be able to fellowship with them today? Would I fit in with them being a poor woman instead of a working class woman? It disturbed me seeing the growing hatred for the poor and fully supporting a wicked man.

It bothers me that so many easily follow the indoctrination of churches in supporting oppression and wicked world system. So many have been indoctrinated. Being out of churches in the long term sometimes can grow difficult. You do wonder where you "fit in", you question yourself. I try to connect with individuals I can, church goers or not, but it's hard. I feel disenfranchised from the "Christian" world. How do I stand as a Christian when most of what is seen as "Christian" by the world is so evil to me?

 I've had to take some of these things to God in prayer. Maybe you have too.

75 comments:

Debra said...

FYI: Franklin Graham Samaritan's Purse Dec. 31, 2015 Net Assets end of year after deducting liabilities/expenses is $215,948,226.

I'm so happy I don't have to try and fit into the square peg of the Christian world right now. Jesus has set us free, not to sin, but to be free from the bondage of this world. Do I want to be entertained in an auditorium with strobing colored lights, pounding instruments, a smoke filled stage and musicians who think they are famous stars headed for Tennessee and a pastor who tries to act so cool that it makes you a bit nauseous. Once you step foot into a building like that, unless you head for the popular and devotee crowd, you will be made to feel like an outsider who only wishes to be accepted by those who have arrived in the inner circle. Real fellowship does not exist unless it is a miracle of God who provides you with someone like-minded in spirit. If you leave, you most likely will not hear from anyone which is why I say real fellowship does not exist. It is a community of followers, but mainly followers of the pastor, "the church", the system and programs. Jesus becomes a secondary Shepard who they give honor to with their lips but their hearts are far from Him. I don't miss this type of false fellowship or type of so-called worship. It sickens me worse to be there as I see Jesus being mocked in favor of appeasing the crowd and their appetites. If they were fed true manna from heaven, they would be satisfied but they crave the delicacies of Egypt and cry out for it.

Debra said...

James 2:2-9 King James Version (KJV)

2 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;

3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:

4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?

5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?

7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

God's word says it is a sin to give partiality to the rich because they are rich and deny the poor because they are poor. I think of the Israelites who left Egypt after eating all their delicacies even in slavery and they wondered in the wilderness because of their unfaithfulness and idolatry. They never received what was promised because they did not love God, but rather loved their flesh more and appetite thereof.

Anonymous said...

Thank-you Bible Believer for being real in expressing your thoughts and feelings concerning your faith in Jesus Christ alone, for your salvation. Doubt does have a tendency to creep in from time to time, creating and environment of questioning within the heart/soul/mind. I believe this is normal, especially having been brainwashed by the visible 501c. 3 church for so long, that your salvation depends on occupying a chair/pew every Sunday in a building with human hands, only to worship the pastor, the leadership, and give money towards a new building, or fancy landscaping, a tarred parking lot and a huge gymnasium attached to the holy 'sanctuary,' so when you "invite a friend," they will be impressed with what human hands have done all in the name of a false jesus/false god.

Meanwhile, the poor, the neglected, the sick, the abused, the lonely, the hurting souls are neglected and told to go to some government agency or a highly paid 'counselor' for help.

What I experienced within the c'hurch was this....if you become sick, the church member says, "Well, the reason you are sick is because of your own sin!"

If you lose income and lower your economic level, the c'hurch member says, "The reason you are losing money is because god has taken his favor off of you!"

If you lose a child or a parent or grandparent, the c'hurch member says, "Don't you know, it's because of the generational curse upon you and you need to repent, repent, repent!"

The Word of God says that in the last days, the love of man will grow cold. It seems as though the climate has turned very, very cold within the church system here in the west. Go to the nearest church and look at their prayer requests, and you will see "Pray for the leadership and their families".....what about the lower laity folks and their families within your churches....are they not worthy of prayer?

When c'hurches obsess with the pastor and the leadership system, you will certainly discover the evil and wickedness that lies within the hearts and minds of men and women who love to lord it over others, for Jesus and His Supreme Authority left the building long ago. It seems to me, that churches have been given over to worshiping and praising man within organized churches, than humbly submitting our souls/hearts/minds in worshiping our KING, who is to come. Jesus.

Anonymous said...

Going to Church, being involved in a church, being surrounded by people of "like" minds can serve as a barrier between you and "the world". When you no longer have this barrier...think "the boy in the bubble"....you feel naked, exposed, vulnerable, alone. But isn't that where God would want us to be?...it forces you to be more dependent on Him and not a system, pastor, friends, etc..It does leave you more vulnerable to outside influences that may cause you to stray from your morale compass...but God said times would get harder and harder so trusting that God will carry you through the fire provides security and hope...I pray I will always trust in God to the end no matter what. Blessings to you.

Anonymous said...

Sadly many Christians (born-again) are putting their hopes in the new administration. Really, can we blame them? The previous administration was so void of anything moral and Christian. The alternative to Trump would certainly not been a friend to the Christian.

HOWEVER, we have to realize that it has always been a choice between 2 imperfect people. Trump is not perfect and he is president to every American, not just Christians. We are not a Christian nation. One should expect that he would have a Catholic priest, a rabbi and a Christian minister speak at his inauguration. This is a pluralistic society. His place is not to endorse solid doctrine. It is the place of the Christian community to expose false doctrine. BUT we know that is not happening as there is only a remnant that are aware and trying to do that.

Trump is supposedly having the Mormon Tabernacle Choir sing at the inauguration. He does not know that is a cult. He is a nominal Christian if a true Christian at all. At least he has respect for people of faith. Who in the world could he choose as a speaker at the inaugural who would be a true blue Bible-believing Christian? They are all nondescript. Naturally he has to embrace all religions as he is the President of the United States and we are a pluralistic society. The Dominionists would have us believe we are a Christian nation but we know that is not true. However, the founders did have respect for "religion". We don't have a national religion like some countries do. That is a recipe for disaster. You can't force Christianity on people. Christians are better off with Trump. He is a sinner like all of us. But we should be thankful that he got in instead of another liberal.

That doesn't seem to be the accepted opinion here and I understand that. But I do have to speak my mind as a fellow believer in our Lord Jesus Christ.

I plan to exhort those Christians whom I know about the motley crew of supposed Christians Trump has lined up and not to rejoice in that. I just observe what is happening, pray for the leaders as the Bible instructs and follow my King and Savior as the ruler of my life.

Debra said...

When we were in a church system, there were believers who used to do as much partying and drinking as the world, movie fanatics regardless of the ratings. The worship teams were no better. So glad we stayed away from the church setting to focus on the Lord, allowing our minds to dwell with what is right, pure, admirable and all that is worthy of praise. We were not influenced but could not fellowship with the believers because their focus was too much on drinking, going to movies and being entertained in worldly settings. When you step out, it enables you to hear from the Lord without all the busyness, activities, false teachings and the worldly social church community.

Anonymous said...

Debra, you use the term "believers" very loosely. True believers do not practice sin, they do commit sin but they are convicted because they have the Holy Spirit. If there is no conviction as you describe, these were not believers.

I agree it is very difficult to find a church where the Bible is preached and God is honored in lifestyles, but I would encourage you to pray and seek the Lord and keep searching. There are small, nondescript groups of people out there in little churches. Maybe your area is devoid of any of the remnant, but don't write it off until you have diligently searched. Then seek to search out like-minded people to meet together even if it is a handful of people. If your search comes up empty, ask the Lord to put you in contact with someone who may be searching just like you are.

Anonymous said...

I see Paula White is one of the p'astors speaking/putting on a religious show at this year's inauguration presentation. And what a show this will be; probably dominionist in nature.

In the workplace, my boss put in a Paula White CD for me to listen too while I attended to my job duties. On another occasion, she popped in a Joyce Meyer CD for me to 'learn' from, as she believed that I was not saved and needed 'instruction' to become 'born again' according to the ways of the wolves in sheep's clothing. Those were very, very, very LONG work days for me as I did not confront my boss concerning the heretical teachings of these lost women. These women's so called Bible studies, along with another heretical teacher, Beth Moore, are all too common within the conservative church.

It troubles me that when I ask Christian friends to do a Bible study strictly from the Bible, allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture, with the illumination of the Holy Spirit living inside of us....there is complete silence accompanied with a dumb founded look. No longer are church folks satisfied with God's Word, but now we rely on the penned works of men and women for instruction, and all too often, our Bibles are not even cracked open to hear what our LORD has to say.

It is the visible church system here in the west, that is directly responsible for making celebrities out of the clergy, the leadership, the praise band singers, the works of the hands (boasting of works to earn salvation), and the pride of the heart (the most common comment I hear from professing born again Christians is "I am so proud of myself;" "I am so proud of my children'" "I am so proud of our church;" "I AM SO PROUD!"

What does the Word of God say about pride?

Debra said...

Would a nominal Christian pose with satanic horn signs?
http://illuminatisymbols.info/donald-trump/

Anonymous said...

Debra, what do you mean by a "nominal" Christian? Either one is born-again or one is not. To answer your question, yes, a "nominal" "Christian" WOULD KNOWINGLY pose with satanic horn signs because they are NOT a true Christian. The Bible says we will know them by their fruit. This is rotten fruit.

Now to address your link to that sick website. First of all, the double fingers can mean love and other things. The fingers making the "o" I have used to signify that it is "okay" as do many other people. This is nothing more than smearing people and taking what could be innocent gestures and reading evil into them without any other evidence. Yes, there are problems with Trump but bearing witness that he is a Satanist is beyond the pale and certainly not following the example of our Lord and Savior.

Only God knows the condition of Trump's heart. We can speculate and conclude that at best he is a very naïve believer who has never been disciple and taught the Word of God. But the material you are promoting does not do one iota of good. Rather the Bible says to pray for those in leadership over us. I will obey God and leave judgment of his heart to the Lord. And I will not go out of my way to spread rumors about him. What you have presented here is nothing but speculation and certainly not of God.

I will expose his errors that might mislead people such as glorifying Paula White. We cannot expect him to be Mr. Christian. But at least he has respect for Christians as he sees them, even if they are posers. That is better than what we have seen previously with Rick Warren praying in the name of the Muslim word for Jesus. We don't elect people to office based on a Bible quiz. It is the place of the church to be the church - then we would not have these charlatans and heretics rise to respectability.

Bible Believer said...

I hated the auditoriums too and loud music and crowds in some churches I visited. Just despiesed it, everything was for the very YOUNG too. All the pastors seemed like "cool kid" caricatures trying to emulate a "With it" and "hip" millennial. I was at this church dinner for the poor and one of these hip pastors came over to "witness" to me, I was nice, but that was a weird conversation. I don't like the one man show stuff, and I even saw that in two IFBs with one IFB collapsing when the pastor moved away and I predict the second IFB will collapse upon the death of the now 75 year old pastor. Many of the churches become personality cults. It is true when you leave most don't hear from people. I heard from one nice woman when I left the second IFB and the first I had to move away under economic pressures. It was an ill-fated move, but I did get more medical care and diagnosed so many the move kept me alive longer.

It is true most follow the pastor. True fellowship I think is rare as well. It is like minds discussing things and where you can be "real" and pray together. I couldn't do it anymore. All the social edicts were hard to fulfill too. There is this picture of the pious Christian woman with certain dresses and lifestyles and I don't fit it. Yes some churches are mocking to Christ. The constant neo-con patriotism, authoritarianism, Christmas, Easter, and defense of oppressors and wicked wore me down.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 3:58

Why did you not confront your boss and instead let yourself be exposed to the lies of the enemy? Were you afraid of losing your job? You could have told her that you have information about these people and you would like to share it as the reason for your objection. If keeping your job is more important than standing for truth, that is sad. Your boss needs to know the truth as she has been deceived. And you do yourself harm by having to listen to such garbage.

You should give your testimony clearly and strongly that you ARE in fact a saved and justified and give her the Bible verses to support it. In any case, this should be go unanswered. Why does your boss think you are not saved? Is there something about your behavior that would make her think this?



Bible Believer said...


Good verse regrding the poor, it's not happening. The wealthy are the most noticed, the most elevated. In fact where I live now, well it happened in my last town, most of the poor leave the churches. Some may enter them for govt food programs and community dinners and charity, but they are not part of the church bodies themselves.

Around here the liturgical churches are the most generous to the poor and one Pente church, I know this can differ in communities. The last IFB ignored the poor to the extreme. It troubled me. What is troubling is how many of the churches SUPPORT the politics and oppressors that want to deny people fair wages and being able to make a living so they are not dependent on charity. I have questioned before how come some are left in poverty even when it is known in the community they are educated and have some skills? It is just some thoughts. The capitalist compete with everyone formula, is there in the churches. Ever seen someone hired via a church connection? I always wondered about this. I remember in the Catholic church [false church of course] everyone talking about this one family that was poorer then me at the time--we were working class in those years, and it was gossip gossip. How come no one got the husband who worked hard a job?

Bible Believer said...


What is seen as "evangelical" with the Trump worship and yeah-yeah jingoism and "make America great" and throw all those poor people to the gutter, This world will make you think what have you done with your life, and things like this. You are right, the 501 c3 system brainwashes you. It tells you that you are a "bad Christian". Its all these outer trappings, getting standing via the IDENTITY choose the brand of apostate Christiandom..."I am a Methodist, I am a Baptist, I am Independent Fundmentalist Baptist, one leaves the system and they don't have the label outside of Christian and so many claim that one.

My first IFB did help with some things so I will give them that, but most of the churches, the really hurting poor, and down and out are having to go to government agencies. There's no personal relationships within these churches that are close enough for people. I even know of people becoming HOMELESS in one church south of me, who had to knock on the door of the FULL homeless shelter. Where were the church members?

Yes sick people were seen as sinful, I experienced that. That false deliverance person who bonded with me pretending to be another person warning about false churches and pastors and the NWO, basically gave me the line, I was under the curses, and so sick with multiple autoimmune and other diseases [a researcher with my rare illness is discovering this is a known trend] told me I needed delivered from all my evil and diseases. In this she gave me the message though indirect that my abusers and the extremely wicked, were "holier" and that I was at fault. Churches will tell anyone sick, it is because they do not have God's blessing or sick people are told if they have enough faith we are acceptable. I lived far longer then expected. One is not accepted or loved in "church" circles as an ill person. Even then the expectation is that you are always smiling, brave and never show any pain.

Yes if you are poor, you re considered failures and not blessed. All the David Ramsey brainwashing, as I have written about on past articles, connects in most of the churches poor moral behavior with poverty. So poverty means in America, you did something wrong. Even if your husband is spending 10 hours a day transcribing for some Indians overseas on the internet to pay the electric bill. Ever notice none of the churches ever speak AGAINST the economic oppressors destroying people's lives. Where gig, temp, outsourcing and other employment problems is never questioned? Where bankers and billionaires like [Trump] are lauded?

Yes I've had my fill of the ones talking about generational curses and telling me I deserve losses or other people do. They are smug and see themselves as superior.

I believe too that the love of man is growing cold. Who wants to go to church when it is just another place now where social status and conformity rule the game? I left the last IFB knowing I was just supposed to sit there, listen and obey and wasn't allowed to even have n opinion of my own or talk to anyone.

Bible Believer said...


Agree about the prayers for the pastors. Most of them seem to be doing very well. I don't see anyone worrying about paying the rent or keeping an old car running. I have noticed these pastors are not lonely or hurting and always have full family networks, nice homes. They are provided for. I think they should pray for the poor in the churches. Remember when I used to talk about all the dwelling on leadership. Why do we need so many leaders [or tutors or governors ala Galatians?]

I believe the focus is on man and worshipping ONE man and it's not Jesus Christ. Even the fact that the one guy is on a STAGE and runs the whole place, is not the way things were supposed to go.

Bible Believer said...

James there may be some small groups out there, but I do believe for some of us those are lacking. I tried even finding a local housechurch and failed. I am not physically up to forming one and did try a bible study years ago for a newly saved person. I agree the people partying are most likely NOT believers. I am not legalistic on drinking but if you are drinking to get drunk and "partying" and showing no fruits, it's doubtful you are a believer {I cannot touch alcohol at all myself for health reasons but do not believe someone is going to hell if they drink glass of wine with dinner or cook with it}

Bible Believer said...

"Christianity" for the proud set has become another status seeking symbol or category. Look at me and my life in the church and the things I've "accomplished". Church has almost become like jobs: resume builders for spirituality to show one as a "good" community "leader". Some people go to church and I can tell they don't even LIKE IT, but it is done to have that good face in the community. There is a reason you see mostly financially and family secure people in the churches and those of diminished means or ostracized from society have have to depart. I see church people as society people. LOL Remember where I come from....they have homes, proper jobs, close knit families and have "acceptable looks" and "opinions". Going to church to them is a marker of being "good people" who are "acceptable" to society and BELONG. What does Jesus say about the first and last?

Paula White and Joyce Meyers are among the worse too. Not surprised Trump picked from the list of mega-mogul preachers that even Congress itself had investigated.


Wow forgot about this article, it's from 2011

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2011/05/paul-white-advances-trump.html

I have been instructed to seek after Joyce Meyers to "improve" my life, by judgmental people telling me to accord my emotions, financial and other aspects of life with the world. She preaches if you have "good attitudes" that your life with change. I would be offended to have a boss tell me to listen to either. I know in a work situation telling a boss, that Paula White and Joyce Meyers are wicked Jezebels may go over like a lead balloon. They love Beth Moore around here too.

I agree everyone wants the books that tell you what the Bible says instead of going and reading it. There's a lot of worksheets too which I don't think are always bad but they are when they come with an agenda like the best selling books.

Bible Believer said...

If others are listening to this nonsense, the best bet is to not listen, and let others make their "choices" but refuse your own involvement. Listening them on a radio though it's difficult situation how do you walk away? There is some illegality in forcing someone at a job to listen to "religious broadcasting".

I know being Mrs. Big Mouth, I'd be making quips along the way and probably getting written up. If someone told me I had to listen to the Pope for instance at a job, they'd have to fire me. I know these are hard decisions to make. There's the part of mind where one doesn't want just fights for the sake of fights and clanging cymbals and lost jobs, but make sure you separate yourself as much as possible from the false teachers. Hearing plugs? LOL In my case Im too deaf to hear radio broadcasts--it would just sound like mush--I can only watch TV with CC. I had a group do yoga, it was a secular group and I walked out and sat it out. They knew it was against my religious beliefs.

Anonymous said...

BB, you mentioned the drinking of alcohol in response to Debra's comment about people in her former church imbibing and partying. I do not think it is legalistic to be a teetotaler and not because of health conditions. The only thing that will send anyone to hell is refusing Jesus Christ.

I just pose the question or challenge in those Christians who give alcohol consumption a pass: Name the benefits to individuals and to society by the sale and consumption of liquor. I can name many harmful things that are brought about by drinking. Yes, it is drinking to excess. But what is excess? Only one drink can cause a driver to be impaired. And what about the example of a parent having a glass of wine with a meal is giving their child? It is a slippery slope at best. Abstinence is the only safe road. It is not necessary for life. A moderate drinker can turn into a drunk easily. Alcohol is at the bottom of most of the tragedies involving families, domestic violence, carnage on the road, murder, it goes on and on.

People like to use Jesus making wine at Cana as justification. The wine that Christ made could NOT have been intoxicating - Jesus would never condone anyone being intoxicated. The wine at the Last Supper was not intoxicating unless one says that the wine that will be served at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb will be intoxicating. There are other proofs that Christians should not imbibe in alcohol - it is a trap.

I know that is not the topic of this thread, but it seemed that since it was brought up that I felt I had to say something. I have pastors say a glass of wine is fine in your home. I had relatives who are closet alcoholics who never got drunk but they were alcoholics just the same.

Anonymous said...

Wise words Bible Believer. Thank-you for that edification and encouragement to my faith in Christ alone. It is humbling how an individual who is physically ill and struggling in this life, can be such a powerful witness to those of us who have much, much more. There are few people who edify Jesus above all things here in the western church, thus the word "ekklesia" has become more effective to me.

"Ekklesia"; the called out ones. The Word of God is becoming more alive as the days progress towards Jesus' Second Coming.

In prayer for you and yours, Bible Believer. Since all authority has been given unto Jesus, it is comforting to know that He still sees us and He still knows us, regardless of our circumstances. And it is Him that we shall cling too, our Teacher, Comforter, Counselor, Redeemer, our Great Physician, our Savior and our King. Blessed by thy Holy Name.

Anonymous said...

Thought I would share this by Tozer. http://www.thebereancall.org/content/july-2010-extra-saints-often-walk-alone

Anonymous said...

I agree with anon 8:28 about the alcohol. I have relatives like that and worse. It is a slippery slop as with many things!
The British Empire really took off once they started drinking coffee, which has the opposite effect of alcohol. I don't really see how alcohol is that great for society. Also it should say a lot that hollywood and the media push it big time from what I hear.

Debra said...

Anon at 10:14 am 1/3... I was quoting Anon 1/2 10:48 am with the word "nominal". Here is the quote.
"Trump is supposedly having the Mormon Tabernacle Choir sing at the inauguration. He does not know that is a cult. He is a nominal Christian if a true Christian at all. At least he has respect for people of faith."

Here is your quote: Debra, what do you mean by a "nominal" Christian? Either one is born-again or one is not. To answer your question, yes, a "nominal" "Christian" WOULD KNOWINGLY pose with satanic horn signs because they are NOT a true Christian. The Bible says we will know them by their fruit. This is rotten fruit.

So my point is exactly this..how can one be a nominal believer and use the satanic horn sign. They can't serve God and satan at the same time.

Anonymous said...

I echo Anon at 4:19 a.m. Maintaining this blog is a labor of love for BB and a struggle despite her physical frailties.

In Christ Alone my hope is found said...

Well, at my fire station I have a Lt. who attends Calvary Chapel and he, on many occasions has tried to get me to attend. He knows my stance on some church doctrine, how I was baptized into the Catholic Church when young, raised in a Pentecostal church, and finally departed an IFB several years ago after reading the Bible for myself. Nearly every shift that I work with this Lt. he makes some comment about how the Lord never sent out men by themselves to preach the Word, and why should I be any different, he says.. he also comments on my family and says what about your wife and kids don't you think they should have fellowship with other people, he says.. I try my best to open scripture to him every time he says something to me about going to a church, any church. He is ok with the Catholic Church, he is ok with any church for that matter. He also dug into me for celebrating Christmas when he asked me what my family was doing for the unholiday. We had a pretty big argument last shift when he started at me again with Zionism and his 'lord' Trump. He brought it back again to me needing to attend a church and that my exposing of false doctrine does nothing to help the work of Christ. I told him that scripture states that we are to "Come out of her my people", and to expose false doctrine as stated in scripture. He seemed to get pretty heated and then called me a wolf in sheeps clothing. I was pretty hurt by this as I opened my heart to him to let him know things that I only share with few people. I walked out of his office at that same moment and told him not to speak his religion with me again as our theology doesn't seem to really line up anywhere. It's more than difficult to do this alone but I'm not sure what else to do. I feel neglected of God and find no comfort in my thoughts yet I can't return to Babylon or I fear like Lot's wife looking back to Soddom that I too would be destroyed. I'm tired of being alone and when I told him my fellowship comes from online people he laughed and said that's not true fellowship. Well, I told him I can't go and sit in a place where I feel I am being told lies. I feel like I would betraying God. he told me as long as everyone believes Christ and Him crucified nothing else matters. My counter point was, then why is there so much scripture telling us to expose and run from false doctrine?? I told him even the prophets of old cried to the people telling them to turn from their ways but he says that I need to keep my mouth shut. I'm so tired of being alone..even if God would send me one person likeminded I feel that life would be bliss..now I just go through life wondering if alone is where God wants me or do I just give up and fall in line like the rest.

Anonymous said...

I can't even imagine how hard it is for you and any other true believers in Jesus to try and speak up at all in the political climate in the US. I know exactly what you are talking about. Even though I am Canadian, I was shocked, amazed and gobsmacked when I saw what I thought were very awake, spirit filled believers, fall for the Trump deception. Also many of the pastors and teachers on Youtube who shared so much truth and prophecy, all of a sudden start sprouting of all of these same Trump prophecies. It was like a massive virus that swept all of North America in one day. This is no exaggeration. I tried to share the truth with who Trump is and he has nothing to do with God Almighty and is only a huge deception, distraction and show but everyone was just viciously supporting him and attacking anyone who didn't. The only argument I received was that he was the only choice. While I acknowledged that there was no real choice, it still does not mean that people should place their faith and hope in a wicked man to save America! They actually believed that by voting Trump in, they have delayed God's judgement! When you have spiritual eyes and are following and listening God, He will always lead you into all truth. I noticed the shift when they started letting out all the wicked stuff Hilary was involved in, I knew they were shifting their plan onto another wicked controlled puppet. You cannot watch Donald Trump give a speech for more than about 10 seconds without him throwing up the 666 sign. How delusional is this? I am just glad that at least one American I know sees this for what it is. I believe that God did use Trump, but only to see who was following the God of the Universe and putting their faith and trust in Jesus verses who is following man. Sadly, most failed this test.
Janice

Abigail said...

I have to admit that I have not had any desire to comment here lately. I am tired of all the " "Anonymous" commenters (we are all anonymous--why not pick a name?) who tend to leave argumentative and prideful zingers and then go off feeling like they won some sort of debate. I feel so alone most days, and am using all my strength to hang on to my Hope and my Faith, my Savior and King. I often feel disheartened by the anonymous troublemakers and don't want to open myself up for their criticism or biting commentary. I have no extra strength for debating strangers on the internet.

Then today I read your post, InChristAlone, and had to write to say that you are not the only one feeling this way. You are right! You are right! Truth is not determined by majority vote; in fact, if the majority believe it, it's probably not truth! I also long for true Christian fellowship but am certain that the Holy Spirit led me out of the church system and know that I cannot obediently go back. It would be so much easier to go back, and I am a social person who longs for friends and activities, but the Holy Spirit inside me has made it clear that He does not want me there.

We are like Peter in John 6:68. The fake Christians were dropping away from Christ left and right once they realized that His kingdom was not going to make them winners in this world, but losers. Verse 66 says,""From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with Him." This must have been very confusing and discouraging for Christ's true disciples, like it is for us. They were realizing that true Christianity does not make its followers popular or powerful in the world's eyes. It does not mesh with the world and its systems (religious, political, entertainment, even family systems sadly) and is in fact at WAR with the love of the world and its ways. Peter speaks from his heart and it is what my heart feels. When Christ asks him if he would take the easier road of leaving Christ and conforming with the world, Peter says, "Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou has the words of eternal life. And we believe that Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Like you, InChristAlone, I don't understand why God has not answered my pleas for fellowship, and especially for true Christian spouses for my children. I don't know why. But I know He loves me and I won't let Satan tempt me to second-guess that I am in God's loving care. I cling to my trust in Jesus, and I will if I am the last person on earth to do so. We all always think that martyrs are the heroes of the faith, the stongest Christians. I agree that dying for your faith takes strength and is an amazing testimony. However, LIVING for your faith, often alone, often ridiculed, often discouraged--that requires a hero of the faith, too. That is a testimony, too! The monotonous daily steps of carrying that cross will all be worth it when our Savior takes us in His loving arms and says, "Well done, my good and faithful servant!"

Debra said...

In Christ Alone...Sorry your Lt. is missing out on some great fellowship right under his nose... which is you. Instead of him badgering you to go to a religious institution, why doesn't he just be the bride of Christ and walk in fellowship with his co-worker? If he "loved his brother" he would be doing that.(I John 4:20)He needs to be reminded there will be no Calvary Chapel in the New Jerusalem or any other human religious institution. The Lord is doing a lot of sifting and molding among His people. We want to come out as gold nuggets, left shining brilliantly in His glory. I don't think standing in line with the rest is what Jesus wants from His sheep. We are to follow only His voice.

Paul was alone at times when all deserted him.
2 Timothy 4:14-17 "No man stood with me, but all men forsook me"
Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:
15 Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words.
16 At my first answer no man stood with me, but all men forsook me: I pray God that it may not be laid to their charge.
17 Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

How many were standing by the cross when Jesus was crucified?
John 19:23-27
25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

Beachel said...

In Christ Alone my hope is found... We live in a fallen world which is at enmity with The Lord and God. Each one of us who attempts to walk with The Lord does not do so without having experienced and generally continuing to experience grief, pain, hardship, loneliness and so forth. We are required to persist, to persevere until the very end, no matter the costs except, of course, our souls. Do not give up and most certainly do not relegate, resign yourself to being alone unless you receive such verily from The Lord.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous January 3, at 10:23 AM,

Thank-you for your questions as it opens the window to being real about my faith in Jesus Christ as my LORD and Savior.

In confronting those who belong to the sect of charismania, these individuals see anyone who does not ascribe to their religion as "unsaved." I was a part of an abusive church system who were making trips to the third heaven, falling down drunk in a spirit (demonic activities), interpreting dreams, channeling voices from a jesus figure for self fulfilling prophecy, seeking signs and wonders outside of our Holy Scriptures, falling down and 'birthing in a spirit', praying in jibberish tongues that had no meaning whatsoever (baby babble), and in their christianese language, saying "god told me this" or "god told me to tell you.....this or that." Personally, having been a part of this apostate church/cult, I have experienced pure and raw hatred when exposing all of these lies to those who have been deceived, and no longer belong to such a church system.

No, I did not 'witness' to my boss, nor do I consider this to be a sad situation, for I believe in this case judgement belongs to the LORD here, rather than my peer review on this site. I knew in my heart that my "witness and testimony" to her would have been futile, for having lived amongst these proud types within that charismatic church system - they believe that anyone who does not participate in the demonic activities listed above, is NOT a born again Christian/Christ follower. This type of environment creates reviling, slander, lying, anger and bitterness within the souls of those who cannot see the truth, therefore, we are called to pray for these individuals in our private prayer lives.

As a result of praying privately for my bosses, my friends, and my enemies, I have literally witnessed many of these individuals coming out of these harlot types of churches and turning to the Word of God as the only Word to learn from. God, the Holy Spirit, always points people to Jesus, the Christ, and never another man or woman, or demonic activity, but to Jesus and His Ways. As believers and followers, we are to test the spirits and be discerning as the Bereans....there is a time to listen, there is a time to confront, and there is a time to pray in private and allow God's Spirit to work in the souls of men and women who are deceived, yet believing they are true Christians.

As for the job itself, I enjoyed my work, but disliked the pseudo mind games of those who believed they were Christians. I did not need the money, but was going through a minor depression at that particular time in my life and the LORD saw fit to put some amazing people in my path, un-501c.3-churched believers, to minister and encourage me in my faith in Christ alone, pointing me to God's Word, instead of this man or woman's words.

I learned greatly from this work situation and am thankful for this past experience, for instead of being 'caught up' in this wickedness from the self righteous religious, it was humbling for me to endure joyfully.

Anonymous said...

Janice,

Our choices on the political ballot were few, with the only two real contenders being Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. You condemn Donald Trump, but having lived under the czar of communism for the last eight years and pushing his wicked and evil agendas in the secret chambers of government, I truly believe that Hillary Clinton would not have been the best choice for our president either.

God's judgement will fall upon this earth regardless of who the President of the United States is.....just take a good look at the Canadian Prime Minister.....all authority has been given to Jesus Christ....still....Matthew 28. And he wasn't a political leader.

Anonymous said...

We as believers need to come out from among the harlot church and be separate. Kinda like Noah. Im sure he preached to the sons of God to come away from the daughters of Cain- to be separate.

Anonymous said...

Okay, Canadian friend Janis,

You should be quite familiar with wicked people in leadership in your country. I agree it is nauseating to see Christians go gaga over Trump as their "messiah". However, let me tell you that MANY Christians voted for Trump because it would be morally wrong to vote for the other choice. We are always given the lesser of two evils in our elections which are a secular exercise. We don't elect a "messiah" we elect the better of the two.

To be fair to the Christians in our country who are part of the falling away apostasy, they are so glad to have someone who at least respects people of faith. This is not a Christian country, but a pluralistic one. Christians have one King, the Lord Jesus Christ and this world is not our home. But we do have to occupy and live for Christ the best we can. When evil overtakes and tries to stamp out Jesus from our culture and replace it with self-worship, that makes it hard to occupy and influence.

So with all due respect, I think you misunderstand the total picture we have here and the inherent evil that has largely taken over our culture. Instead of searching for God they are searching for a person. But in this world we have human leaders and we have to recognize we are not yet in heaven.

I do agree that most Christians fail the test. We are in an apostasy in your country and in the entire world. The Church is lukewarm and not being the Church.
But the Bible has foretold this time. There will just be a remnant.

Anonymous said...

In Christ Alone, I hear your despair. Been there, done that many times. Calvary Chapel is mostly messed up and many have left the organization. It does not good to argue with your co-worker. If he is your superior this can present a special problem.

It he thinks Catholicism is okay, then educate him. Respectfully and without anger.
That is a good place to start. Apparently he has fallen for the lie of ecumenism.

We are to live in peace with others as much as possible while not compromising the truth. We are not to argue and stir up anger. Thank him for his invitation to attend his church but tell him you are praying about where God wants you to be and as far as your family is concerned that is none of his business.

God has promised us His peace no matter the circumstances. Teach your children about the Lord and pray with them and pray with your wife. Build up your family unit and your own personal relationship with the Lord. Do not give Satan any opportunity. You have to work in the secular world so just do your job the very best you can and be an example to your co-workers. Firemen have to live in close quarters with one another and this calls for much wisdom. Above all, show the love of Christ to all of them without preaching. Wait for God to open doors, don't force them open.

Hope this helps as the walk can be very lonely at times. Read some of the testimonies of some Christians who stood for truth and how they suffered. Annie Johnson Flint is one example. But the Bible is the best. Read how the prophets of old suffered for their faith and how lonely their walk was. Every one of the disciples except for one died a martyr's death. Suffering for Christ is to be expected for the believer. But He promises to never leave us or forsake us.

Anonymous said...

Debra at 6:11 p.m.

You must have missed my comment about how you branded Trump a Satanist because of how he placed his fingers and used the "OK" sign. He could have made these gestures in innocence as do many people. The "horned" sign can mean "love" and the other which I have used can mean simply something is fine or okay.

Judging someone's heart by the placement of their hands alone is just wrong.

Anonymous said...

Anon at January 4, 2017 at 5:44 PM

Thank you for your comment. I know it was a typo when you said "slippery slop" but that is really what it is.
When one is on alcohol the life becomes sloppy and slippery. Alcohol has done no good for society. It is a big money maker for the liquor industry which has blood on its hands from all the people who use it destructively which is a large percentage. Much of it does not make the news - but families are damaged and marriages broken. It inherently evil and our Lord Jesus would never have endorsed the use of intoxicating beverages at all. The Bible tells us to be sober-minded. That is not possible even with one drink.

I wish BB could do an article on the effect of alcohol on Christians.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous January 3, at 10:23 AM, in reply to January 6, 2017 at 2:58 AM
I shall call my self "Selma" to eliminate confusion.

Thank you for responding to my comment upon your work situation and your employer forcing you to listen to Joyce Meyer and Beth Moore in your workplace.

Thank you for explaining where you are coming from. Lord be praised that He delivered you from that den of iniquity!

I can understand why you did not confront your boss, but at the same time, a defense of one's faith is not necessarily confrontation. It doesn't make any difference if the person is a fake Christian or not. The truth is the truth. All one has to do is quote the Word of God, not one's own words. The Bible tells us to be ready at all times to defend the faith, the true faith. When you use the Word of God, that is where the power is.

Witnessing to fake Christians can be the hardest thing to do whether they are Roman Catholics or a member of some whacked-out group. Both are lost. Also, you have a responsibiity as to what enters your eargate and you had a right to object to listening to that garbage.

I didn't realize that the situation you described was in the past.

May God bless you in your faith journey as you seek to honor Him in your life.
"Selma"

Bible Believer said...

Oh I believe alcohol is damaging don't get me wrong on that, but if I want to cook chicken in some wine [I can't it makes me too sick] I do not believe that is a sin. Sadly most drink alcohol to seek after it's effects. Alcoholism is a great evil. I was going to post on how weed is being made popular and wondering about the effects on society. I don't agree with the drug wars but look at the Vice Channel sometime if you ever see cable, that is like one big drug advertisement, they have have a show promoting mushrooms. More Mandrake for Satan's kingdom. I will rethink my views of "one glass" as you are right that can be a slippery slope for some alcoholics. Every alcoholic started with one glass, so you have a point.

I've read theories the wine at Cana, was the kind of "wine" of NT, where it was to purify the water. It's possible.

Thanks anon at 8:28, I appreciate it. :) and other anon too. I know I have gotten slower but I am still trying to stick with it. :)

I get uncomfortable with all the pushing of breweries myself. Socially my inability to drink alcohol has caused problems in the past. I got sick even from some Sake being used in an Asian meal once.

Bible Believer said...

I get sick of Trump being lauded as a "great candidate" and supportive of Christian causes. One thing I am a woman who is aging and remember Trump in the 80s and he was seen as a loudmouth boor who would run over his own grandmother to make a buck. He dumped his first two wives and now I am to believe this guy will turn America into a Christian utopia? Like the go around with Bush wasn't enough to tell me the Republican song and dance with these candidates wasn't a big stage show full of lies? I'm not that much of a sucker. Being NWO aware even the idea an outsider got in is ABSURD to the max to me. He went to the Al Smith dinner too to schmooze with the Cardinal.

Bible Believer said...


I agree why would a "nominal" Christian again be going with the endless hand signs? Would a "nominal" Christian be okay going to Clinton weddings knowing their evils?

The Pope is a "nominal Christian" to many and we do not see him as a great leader and bastion of truth.

"Nominal Christian" means NOT a Christian.

That said, yes I know we are a secular pluralistic nation but I won't vote for anyone I KNOW is EVIL.

And therewithin is the DIFFERENCE.

The man doesn't even have a conscience and either did Hitlery.

Bible Believer said...

Be careful In Christ, I've had people bombard me with how dare you have left churches too, I have been told I am not a real Christian and that I am wicked and I am a Christian in vacuum. Some have been very outraged. I don't announce this to everyone but it has come up and people get upset.

Well I wrote about what I faced at that one bible study. The Christmas thing don't even get me started, that means some mighty outrage. I relate and feel for you. Many Christians are leaving the church system and well the persecution is there. I have lost friends over my views of the churches, several times, including one Lutheran friend [she was WELS] who was angry over me leaving the IFB. Ironic huh? I left a church.

Many do not understand the heartache too. No one understands of course we would rather have fellowship but how can we sit there being taught false doctrine and repressed like I was at the bible study being told I was a wicked woman for leaving the Catholic church when I got saved and being gossipped about when I left to go to the bathroom--I heard the women when I came back. I've struggled too asking God "WHY?" I already don't have a family why can't I not have a church family too?

One thing I thought about writing about, the devil even tempted me to dump this blog once, so I would not be a hypocrite, and to go find a "friendly" church where I could get friends and have "acceptance and social activities instead of being alone all the time. I even said this aloud to husband and said all of this is so hard, but then followed it up saying "Of course I can never do that!" Seriously this happened. It was just passing thoughts but I even had thoughts like "Who am I?" and "Maybe I am nuts, because I am spending all these years alone instead of building relationships"

In this process there is a lot of self doubt. When one person I had befriended on line turned out to be a Satanic deceiver: see the latest article on deliverance, it has been a lot for me to work through. I thought maybe I should go be with the "normal" and "nice" people [although in error on many things]--hmm I put up with Christmas and Easter for years smiling and nodding in the IFB -- to not be alone anymore. I feel like Lot's wife too like I would be destroyed as well. I never felt relaxed in those situations. Always deathly afraid of saying the wrong thing and I often did, and people were upset.

How about sitting in a room and knowing better, just wanting to have friends and connections, and at the bible study, a woman came in bragging about being in Campus Crusade for Christ which I knew nothing of their connections of that church but learned fast and how she was lauded as having leadership abilities and that is the one who got the room in outrage against me for being against the Catholic church.

In the IFB I heard all the war mongering and brain dead Republicanism. So many smiles, dying inside, the few times Ive spoken out being patronized--[infantalized due to visible disabilities with invisible ones] and or treated like a complete nutcase. I feel like I would be betraying God too.

Yes why is there so much scripture warning of fallen away churches, false preachers and false doctrine? They wipe all that away saying Follow us and shut off your brains. I don't know one person IRL who believes the way I do. I have a few online, and I can openly discuss having left churches with them. But no one IRL. Even when the deliverance minister who was NWO and pretended to be in agreement with me for years on this blog and the phone went FERAL and was just another gang-stalking liar, you all don't want to know some of the angst I've felt. I'm praying for everyone in this position and will pray for you. We can't ignore what we know or what God has shown us.

Bible Believer said...

Sure many people make innocent hand gestures. I know we can all err, but there is a difference between a caught waving hand, in a certain position and constant repetitive sameness of hand gestures over and over. When you see a guy multiple times always seeing to put his hands in a triangle, and not just once or twice, in photos, well, it makes you wake up.

Bible Believer said...

I agree with anon at 8:49, don't get into dissension with those blinded by the church system. There's a point to break away and know you aren't going to change minds. it's something I had to learn. I would test people out by talking about a few things and seeing where it went If they get angry or mocking then the battle is usually lost already before it's started. Most I can discuss this with have agreed with me about the churches or cited problems they've seen. Ive even encountered people who have told me they know the churches are rotten but go to one not being alone, but the angry ones, once you have said your piece, I would move on from them or avoid that topic. I hope they do leave you alone and do not keep mocking you. I know that can be a problem. I wanted to be at peace at the bible study, but it's not always possible, I don't know if God will direct you away from this person. If it is a job situation, I'd keep it all business and not discuss anything religious again with them unless you see a change.

Bible Believer said...

I plan to do a post on drugs and can include alcohol. Seeing the promotion of pot and other drugs has been worrisome. The war on drugs was used to fill the prisons but many are promoting drugs, as a pathway to spiritual enlightenment. I saw this show channel surfing on the Vice network and they kept talking about how mushrooms were bringing them contact with the divine, I would say they got contact with demons with the mandrake.

Anonymous said...

BB, I don't see anything wrong with using alcohol in cooking. Beer in chili gives it a good taste. I go to the store and buy one can, not a six pack. The alcohol, the intoxicating effect is expelled in the cooking process. Same goes for other dishes and also some fruit cakes and baked goods that call for liquor ingredients. The harm is in the intoxicating effect.

In Bible times they would preserve wine by boiling it down into a syrup and then reconstituting it later and hence no intoxicating effect. Intoxication is toxic, even in small doses. You are right, BB, people drink for the effect, usually as a social lubricant as it breaks down one's inhibitions. The is what all drugs do - marijuana does as well as other drugs. The progressives are trying to turn the masses into zombies, the better to manipulate.

It is a little known fact that during the Prohibition Era that crime went down, broken homes and other destructive stats went down. But the greed of man for profit and also the lust of man for the feeling that the alcohol gave them - making their own and killing themselves or drinking substances that contained alcohol but were deadly. So the mass brewing began and therefore the damaging effects along with it.

One could say that moderation is the key. There is no way to have moderation in an intoxicating substance. Even with one drink people are impaired to get behind the wheel. People who are impaired don't realize they are impaired and feel fully capable of getting behind the wheel. Hence the carnage on the road.

The only solution to the problem is one of the heart. But so many Christians buy into moderation and throw caution to the wind. Pastors do not address the question lest they be accused of legalism. --Selma---

Debra said...

I think a bible believer who follows only their Shepherd's voice feels more alone in a church building with people whose heart is far from the Lord. We are having the great apostacy so how could we feel one with them? Real friends pray for one another, check in to see how you are doing, desire that same depth of fellowship and worship of Jesus. I know a very young Godly teenage girl who says all her friends at a Christian school are lukewarm and worldly. Her heart grieves about it and she feels so alone. She actually said when I'm 30 I will have no friends. She cannot participate in what they do and what they talk about. No one wants to study the Bible she said.

In Christ Alone my hope is found said...

Thanks for the encouraging words. What i don't understand is why would the Lord separate us from each other. If i could just have one other person to sharpen my sword with...if i could have one person to open up to..to confess when I'm weak..I don't even have a relationship with my parents because they are televangelist christians, they fly around the country following Benny Hinn...though my wife still brings my kids to their house to spend time with them every few months...i occasionally will find books from Ken Haggan in my kids room and they tell me my mom gave it to them...I then have tell them why we done believe that stuff...my life is a constant battle against 'Christians' more than against the world...i will occasionally let my girls go to childrens church with the neighbors at a local IFB..I just don't know what the Lord expects of me some time...I feel like I got it all wrong..like I am the crazy one...if anyone online here is in Florida and wants a friend let me know...Im not sure sometimes how to reach out to others and share the Gospel...I lost my foster child of 3 years and am crushed..we had him since he was 4months until the age of 3 1/2...we raised him like he was our own...taught him everything..liked what i liked..he was my first boy, i have two girls with my wife.. the judge ruled he could go back with his mother though she still tested positive for drugs..there were in trace amounts so it didn't matter..she had no job..she was in prison for the time we had him for trafficking oxycontin and home invasion with a gun...she belonged to a gang... I loved that little boy..I feel like the Lord keeps taking from my life...I just need some fellowship with another human being IRL...when I became a Christian, don't think it was until I was 30 or so, even though i was raised in churches, I begged and pleaded with the Lord for truth..I asked above all thing that he show me the truth..I didn't want money or healing or anything else. I pleaded for truth..now, I feel, I sit here, with my truth, alone...

Debra said...

People are lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God. This is why we as believers can feel all alone. This generation can be cold and aloof, too busy to fellowship in Spirit and Truth. There is a difference between gathering together socially and enjoying the sweet fragrance of Jesus among fellow believers whose heart is fully devoted to Him. Because many are lukewarm it would be most difficult to share the depth of devotion and love for Jesus with one another. Believers want to open up a bottle of wine or make it into some party gathering. We are not interested at all in that. The Lord does open doors to witness and even witness to believers who don't share any of the fervency for Jesus. But to have consistent "fellowship" would mean compromise for us and we are not willing to go that route. We can all ask God to use our gifts for His glory. So however He chooses, we must be delight to do His will. As an analogy and probably not a good one...race horses must be trained before they do their first race. Training is most difficult even for an athlete. They just don't get on the track without dedication and discipline. I'm sure there are many seasoned believers who have done just that. Dedicated their lives to the Lord and have the same longings and desires. Don't give up. Jesus can fill your net with 153 fish or 153 friends if He chooses. God has His timing, timing on the Potter's wheel for us and timing for His purposes and will. God knows our hearts better than we do and He knows what we need.

Anonymous said...

In Christ Alone, this is a hard truth, but one that anyone in the remnant in these last days has to come to understand and accept. The fact is that we live in a fallen world and we are pilgrims and strangers.

I have often been a bit envious of those who do have a like-minded friend with whom to fellowship and who will pray for me and likewise. However, there have been times when I have been totally alone without support from family and friends. Those are the times when God draws us closer to Him and Him alone. Ultimately we must depend upon Him and not upon any other human being.

Then in the midst of my loneliness and isolation He brought me in contact with a friend who is like-minded and also needed a friend. It was God's timing, not mine.
God knows our needs, and He is working behind the scenes to meet them in His own time and His own way. In the meantime, He and His Word are enough!! Rest in that!!

As far as your parents and your children are concerned, you are the priest in your home. You are responsible for ministering to your children and you wife. You don't need to send your children to a Sunday School in a place where you can't trust.
Also, you need to teach your children (don't know how old they are) about false teaching and the your parents as much as you love them are following false teaching and need prayer. Also, as their father and the son of your parents, you need to take the bull by the horns and respectfully inform your parents that you will not allow your children to be given these materials or taught these things. The consequence of violating that will be no more visits. You have a responsibility to protect your children. Also, you should respectfully inform your parents about the false teachers they are following so that they will understand your objections.
They will have to choose between their idols and their grandchildren.

You say your wife takes them to see the grandparents. Does she do this with your blessing? There may be a misconnect going on there. Be sure you are on the same page as your wife and that she is also to watch out for these materials and that they will not be tolerated in your home. If she doesn't understand, do your research and educate her.

Your home is a place that you must defend and frankly stop feeling sorry for yourself that you don't have fellowship. There are many people out there just like you. But it does no good to bemoan the fact. Take your burdens to the Lord and learn to depend solely upon Him. Yes, we all long for fellowship, but there are also times of isolation and God has a purpose in them.

What about your wife? Doesn't she crave the fellowship of other women in the Lord? You only mention yourself. You are first and foremost supposed to be a couple and she is one with whom God has given to you for fellowship right now and perhaps the marriage bond needs some strengthening - I don't know one that could not benefit from some strengthening.

As for the loss of the foster child to the bad mother - sadly our foster system is flawed. You gave that child love and that will count for something. Also, you can pray for him/her and still be an influence on that life. Yes, it must hurt terribly, but this world is not fair. God will honor your prayers for this child and also for the mother/parents. You can't change what happened. When taking in a foster child it is a very sacrificial act. Foster parents sign on knowing that the child can be taken away at any time and sometimes to a less than desirable parent. You have done what you can and now continue to pray and leave it in God's hands.



Bible Believer said...

Drunk people make me uncomfortable. In personal life I avoid them like the plague. I can handle someone who is past alcoholic present sober but not in the midst of it. I am glad anon you are okay with alcohol in cooking, I can't use it that way but I am sure I probably have eaten someone else's cooking with very small amounts like chili in a restaurant. It is true intoxication does have harmful effects. If you ever have known long term alcoholics, their health breaks down fast. I don't believe the news reports about two glasses of wine being good for you every day. What is with all the wineries too?

I always thought people drank to handle the world socially like self medication. It was weird to read about the Japanese drinking so much after work to make up for their staid culture. Sure Vice is telling all the millennials, pot is cool. I actually support legalization but that is more for the harmful effects of the crazy drug wars and them locking everyone up rather then desiring the streets to be full of pot smoke so we all get contact highs. I think they want zombies too. I had a relative who got into pot big time and it kills motivation. They become very PASSIVE. Hmmm wonder why NWO wants the pot spread hinder and yon. I didn't realize crime went down in Prohibition, well they always tell us how the gangsters used Prohibition. Sure they drank substances that even made them blind, and killed them. Now we got people doing crazy DMT, mushrooms and other things like bath salts. I think one drink can make some tipsy on the road. I will rethink the legalism angle. Alcohol is not in my life so I became kind of removed.

Bible Believer said...


Its true a bible believer gets that lonely ina crowd feeling. I felt weird at the bible study, I thought it may be class based since this church was more upper middle class, but I think it went deeper now. I feel WORSE around false Christians then many unbelievers. Like I am going to be judged and one word out of my mouth means I'm in trouble. Wonder if anyone here feels that way. I don't go around saying that is one is a false Christian or that one but I am tired of churches teaching things I know are wrong. Yes one wants real Christian friends they can relax around. I don't want the phony stuff. When I watch the Duggars you see the tight smiles and no one is ever loosened up, it's like that kind of stuff. I feel for the teenage girl and will pray. I always felt like I bored people with the things I talked about or they got upset, that was my main feeling, so understand that girl saying "When I am 30 I will have no friends". The people I get on with [well I don't have many IRL friends] are more the outcasts of society. I will pray she can find real friends. Loneliness as a teen is tough but that is a dangerous time of life where teens into sin can steer a Christian very wrong.

In Christ Alone, I've asked why God has separated us too. There does seem to be biblical warning and precendent with the discussion of "scattered sheep". That is scary your parents follow Benny Hinn, I am glad you are teaching your kids different. Understand letting your kids have some fellowship at local IFB. I know with kids its difficult. Someone said to me where do you want my kids to hang out if I don't send them to church. So sorry for your loss of your foster child. I will pray for you in your grief, that is such a heavy burden to bear, and seems like he was just like a biological son to you. I hope the mother is not using drugs and has changed her life, for his sake, will you be allowed any visitation or not? Maybe you could figure out a way to have some. I know it is NOT the same. :(

I struggle too, with same thought, and have had that thought too, "I sit here with the the truth alone". There has been times I have had the same thought. Did you see where I wrote about being tempted just to shuck it all in and go to some church just to get social connections. That's a big deal for an isolated disabled woman. I sometimes wonder if I am crazy too.

So I've been there. But as you know and I have shared, I go to the churches and none of them want to let me talk, they judge me, they tell me even on the most mild of things I am 'wrong". [I can't even imagine getting into NWO stuff, or saying I don't celebrate Christmas, I'd probably have the room in an uproar. It can make you feel like you are doing "Christianity" wrong but how can we ignroe God or His Word. I'm sitting there hearing the latest ecumenical or pro-NWO war message and absolutely cringing, there was no choice but to walk out, and it's very sad and it's disappointing over and over when it seems one can't find anything DIFFERENT. I'm not some pious legalist, but wow, I can't abide by the church brainwashathon.

How do you say to God, I'm going to ignore everything I know, to have friends. I got so aggrieved inside, it was crazy-making even with those women so horrified I left the Catholic church. I know it's not going to work to pretend and then there is the issue of one's relationship with God. I have asked Him Why too?

Bible Believer said...

I agree Debra, this generation can be cold, and yes there is a difference between social gathering and those together in the Spirit and Truth. I agree there is a place to witness and give truth to church people and nonbelievers, but yes the price of "consistent fellowship" is compromise. I think about when I said to the table of those women, the Catholic church teaches a false gospel that is not saving. They were angry at me. The pressure to back down was there, and to pat everything down and "be nice" and "apologize" and say I did not mean it. I am glad I did not back down. Many are backing down. THis is why the churches have grown so much the same. Peer pressure and I got the feeling the Campus Crusade woman was sent in as a "controller", these ecumenical groups send in their octopus people all over the place. I agree about using God's gifts for his glory, anon above you did help a little boy and have done good things with your life and for His Glory in that. That little boy will have had love and at least some foundation for his life. I know for some of us the price in this world may be the social lost. Jesus Himself said even some would lose their families, well maybe that is expanded to "society" itself. [less friends or very few] especially in these days.

I am glad anon is teaching his children about these false teachers. I would remove the false materials from the home too. Just walk in and pitch it, so children don't even see it. I would stand up too and tell the parents not to teach false theology to your children and tell them you are teaching them scripture and what they need to know. Have you talked to the about the false teachers they are following? Benny Hinn is an obvious deceiver to even the non-believing world so I wonder what has led them to believe in him. What is the reaction?


Bible Believer said...

I do wonder if God is having some of us "be alone" for a testing as sorts. Especially as society grows more wicked. It could be preparation where we are the only one standing for the gospel and everyone else has fallen or taken the mark. That is one way I have though of it. The friends who have stuck by me and husband are people who can tolerate me warning about things. I talk about things I do on this blog IRl with people who are close. I don't want repressers in my life or people telling me to conform to this world to be "acceptable" For Christians now it is a dangerous thing and the churches are sucuumbing to the massive PEER PRESSURE. Think of that way too anon. I don't know, I had a crazy life on many scores, may have made this blog possible. You had time and love to give to a little boy.

Anonymous said...

BB, man has been trying to escape the pain of life in whichever way possible rather than turning to God and Christ. Even people get hooked on opiods which are prescribed for physical pain. That kind of addiction is different from the alcoholic. Then there are people who use medical marijuana as recreational. It is just a foot in the door to full legalization. The states legalized it to get the revenue - man's reasoning- now they have discovered it is a blight on society and have discovered a new disease that is connected with the use of pot.

Life is painful - emotionally and often chronic physical pain. The opiods are useful to relieve pain but there is not enough oversight to be sure people don't get addicted. Entertainers like Prince could get multiple prescriptions filled.

Then there are the anti-depressants -Carrie Fisher's ashes were put in a replica of a Prozac pill. Her brother spoke of her and her mother now being in heaven. The world does not want to accept that there is only one way to heaven. That is hate speech. It is everyone playing God in their lives from not being happy with the sex that God assigned to them at birth, but instead listening to the lies of Satan telling them they should be something else, then pumping themselves with hormones and having surgery to change their body parts.

It is such a crazy world and it is hard for a dedicated believer in Christ to find a place to fit in without having to compromise. Even to find a friend to fellowship with is a challenge. I think God can use that loneliness to get close to Him as our best Friend and prepare us for the life of loneliness and isolation. He is the only Friend Who has promised never to leave us or forsake us.

Yes, the world thinks we are the crazy ones. But we are the ones with a sound mind if we are walking in the Spirit, close to Christ.

I do believe that God does want to use us to reach the lost in our society and sometimes that can call us to be a part of certain groups that don't totally share our beliefs. But we must be careful and always seek the Lord's will. In His will is safety.

We need to encourage one another and exhort one another in gentle and respectful ways. And it is so important to stay in the Word of God and feed on it. And never stop trying to reach out as the Spirit leads.

In Christ Alone my hope is found said...

Hey BB, yes I told my parents about Hinn...it was nothing but a fight...I've been through it all...I don't even think I could express in words the things Ive seen or have been through..It seems some on here just say to suck it up and move on..but thats not my personality...thats not who I am...not sure I have much left in me for helping others...i loved my foster child with all my heart..you have to treat them like your own child or build a wall and not let them affect you...this world is peculiar and not easy.. I just recently tried to reach out to the foster mother to try to find him and give him a gift..Please pray that it goes according to Gods will...I love him so much..I really need to see him...its like losing a child for any reason....he was my heart...

Debra said...

They say prophecy not...this is the problem when we speak the truth to those who do not want to hear the truth. These believers follow all these false prophets and money swindlers but when you warn them, they say prophecy not!

Matthew 24:10 “And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.”

Amos 2
9 Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath.

10 Also I brought you up from the land of Egypt, and led you forty years through the wilderness, to possess the land of the Amorite.

11 And I raised up of your sons for prophets, and of your young men for Nazarites. Is it not even thus, O ye children of Israel? saith the Lord.

12 But ye gave the Nazarites wine to drink; and commanded the prophets, saying, Prophesy not.

13 Behold, I am pressed under you, as a cart is pressed that is full of sheaves.

14 Therefore the flight shall perish from the swift, and the strong shall not strengthen his force, neither shall the mighty deliver himself:

15 Neither shall he stand that handleth the bow; and he that is swift of foot shall not deliver himself: neither shall he that rideth the horse deliver himself.
Amos 5:10 They hate him that rebuketh in the gate, and they abhor him that speaketh uprightly. 21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.

22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.

23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.

24 But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.

25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?

26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

27 Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the Lord, whose name is The God of hosts.

Debra said...

It must be difficult but I also see it from another perspective. You taught this child to love Jesus. This child may.lead his mother to Christ. Jesus is our Redeemer. He can redeem anyone's life from the pit. Be patient and continue praying. Jesus is at work in this boy's life and his mother. Jesus was about His Father's business. We too must focus on our Father's budiness. Think on things above, not on this earth.

AW said...

(To all the anons -- you can pick the Name/URL option when leaving your comment in order to leave a name. you don't have to put anything in the URL section)

Anon 8:43 AM - your words and advice to In Christ Alone, though technically correct and biblical, were also very heartless and unloving. It is okay for him to grieve at the loss and injustice of losing his foster child back into a horrible situation and also to struggle with loneliness and question himself why the road is so lonely. Show compassion rather than harshly smug advice. Come alongside and lift up your fellow believer while offering encouragement and empathy. Your words aren't any better than Job's friends.

In Christ Alone, I am so sorry for your grief and loss. I will pray for both the child and if the Lord provides it, that you have the opportunity to see him again. You were right to warn your co-worker of deception (Jesus warns us repeatedly against deception), and he has shown you repeatedly that he does not love the truth or Jesus' warning. It's okay to feel alone, so many of us are alone and through no fault of our own. Your prayer regarding the truth is one of the most important things a Christian could treasure and guard, and it is precisely because so many others do not love the truth that each of us is in the situation we are -- isolated, lonely, without like-minded fellowship. You don't have to hear a 'verily' from the Lord to know you have followed His leading in being where you are. It's also okay to yearn for fellowship because that's how the body of Christ is supposed to work. But now the degree of ever-accelerating apostasy has made such fellowship a rarity and loving the truth means we will be increasingly isolated, mocked, eventually persecuted and betrayed.

As Abigail wisely said, God finds the faithfulness of walking each day through the loneliness and wearing down just as precious as those who have lost their lives for the faith. Being faithful until death also means faithful through each normal, increasingly difficult, lonely day (as your namesake song says "till He returns or calls me home"). And as Abigail also noted about leaving the 'church' system, we must hang onto what we know the Lord has shown us. Sometimes it does seem like it would be easier to just give in, but I think each of us (In Christ Alone, Abigail, Biblebeliever) knows deep down that we cannot without turning our back on what God has shown us and grieving Him.

As we try to be faithful and hang on to what the Lord has shown us, and have not followed the increasingly numerous false prophets, I can think of few things more encouraging than what Jesus said to those in the church of Thyatira who also had refused to compromise with false doctrine:

"But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. But that which ye have already hold fast till I come." (Rev 2:24-25)

No other burden except to hold fast to the truth the Lord has shown you, regardless of the cost. Many times just holding on to reality, our sanity and what we know the Lord has told us, in the face of such overwhelming deception and such sometimes-smooth words, is all we can do. That is being faithful.

Christsfreeservnt said...

I identify with a lot of what you shared here, for I left the institutional church more than once, and finally did so about 4 years ago, and I, too, did so out of obedience to my Lord, and have struggled, too, with some of the same issues you have faced or are presently facing. I even had pastors tell me they thought I should go someplace else where I would be a "better fit," and that they would even help me to find such a place, but there is no such place other than heaven, at least not that I have found, other than in the arms of Jesus, just walking daily in obedience to him. For a long while my only Christian fellowship was online, but now the Lord has opened a door for me to fellowship with Christians at my apartment complex, so that has been a blessing, but not without difficulty, either.

Anyway, the Lord gave me a devotion on this subject early this morning, so I thought I would share it with you: http://christsfreeservant.blogspot.com/2017/01/be-separate.html

AW said...

For those times we question ourselves why we are sitting alone with just the truth, wondering if we are the crazy ones, Jeremiah asked the same question. He prophesied coming judgments, but in the delay before fulfillment, Jeremiah questioned if he was right, had he heard accurately, even did God lie to him.

Jer 20:7-12 - O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me. For since I spake, I cried out, I cried violence and spoil; because the word of the LORD was made a reproach unto me, and a derision, daily... For I heard the defaming of many, fear on every side. Report, say they, and we will report it. All my familiars watched for my halting, saying, Peradventure he will be enticed, and we shall prevail against him, and we shall take our revenge on him. But the LORD is with me as a mighty terrible one: therefore my persecutors shall stumble, and they shall not prevail: they shall be greatly ashamed; for they shall not prosper: their everlasting confusion shall never be forgotten. But, O LORD of hosts, that triest the righteous, and seest the reins and the heart, let me see thy vengeance on them: for unto thee have I opened my cause.

Elsewhere, Jeremiah says he loved God's words and it was because of his love of the truth that he suffered rebuke and mocking, eventually ending up alone.

Jer 15:15-18 - O LORD, thou knowest: remember me, and visit me, and revenge me of my persecutors; take me not away in thy longsuffering: know that for thy sake I have suffered rebuke. Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. I sat not in the assembly of the mockers, nor rejoiced; I sat alone because of thy hand: for thou hast filled me with indignation. Why is my pain perpetual, and my wound incurable, which refuseth to be healed? wilt thou be altogether unto me as a liar, and as waters that fail?

The Lord answers Jeremiah, reminding him of the warnings the Lord about treachery and betrayal from family and friends (Jeremiah's continued separation from them is the true meaning of 'taking forth the precious from the vile'). In the original warning God tells Jeremiah:

Jer 12:6 - For even thy brethren, and the house of thy father, even they have dealt treacherously with thee; yea, they have called a multitude after thee: believe them not, though they speak fair words unto thee.

God reiterates this warning to Jeremiah and reaffirms the promise He made when Jeremiah began his ministry (Jer 1:17-19).

Jer 15:20-21 - Therefore thus saith the LORD, If thou return, then will I bring thee again, and thou shalt stand before me: and if thou take forth the precious from the vile, thou shalt be as my mouth: let them return unto thee; but return not thou unto them. And I will make thee unto this people a fenced brasen wall: and they shall fight against thee, but they shall not prevail against thee: for I am with thee to save thee and to deliver thee, saith the LORD. And I will deliver thee out of the hand of the wicked, and I will redeem thee out of the hand of the terrible.

Human nature has not changed. People who do not love the truth will recoil and retaliate at anyone who holds fast to it. Sometimes our mere presence is enough to evoke contention, and between their animosity and our conviction by the Holy Spirit, we end up shunned and alone, and eventually are betrayed and persecuted.

Jer 15:10 - Woe is me, my mother, that thou hast borne me a man of strife and a man of contention to the whole earth! I have neither lent on usury, nor men have lent to me on usury; yet every one of them doth curse me.

When we are alone because we cannot endure treachery, apostasy, or compromise, we are 'taking forth the precious from the vile,' the separation of those who are in Christ from those who aren't.

AW said...

Elijah was alone in facing the wicked rulers and apostate people, but the Lord shared that there were still seven thousand faithful who had not compromised.

1 Kings 19

Elijah (v14) - And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.

God (v18) - Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

Do you think they knew of each other? That they had secret worship meetings because 'we have to be in fellowship'? I bet nearly all of them were completely alone, without any encouragement or support from like-minded believers. The Lord knows those who are His, and this current trial and refining will not last forever.

Heb 13:5-6 - Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for He hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

I just sent the following to a friend facing some of the same trials (being completely alone, missing fellowship, and increasing retaliation from others). I hope it is an encouragement as we enter the next 'phase' in the Apostasy. When people do not love the truth, they hate those who do. And when they find the real Jesus Christ an offense compared to overt or subtle counterfeits, they will hate His true servants.

These are truths I hang on to as the Harlot church rises, full of wild beasts (false prophets & unjust rulers) & thorns and briers (the rebellious & wicked). God is bringing judgment on them and He will not relent or turn it back. The Lord has divided those who do not love the truth from those who do, and they will turn on us.

Jer 12:5-8 - If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan? For even thy brethren, and the house of thy father, even they have dealt treacherously with thee; yea, they have called a multitude after thee: believe them not, though they speak fair words unto thee. I have forsaken Mine house, I have left Mine heritage; I have given the dearly beloved of My soul into the hand of her enemies. Mine heritage is unto Me as a lion in the forest; it crieth out against Me: therefore have I hated it.

Micah 3:5-6 - Thus saith the Lord concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him. Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them.

AW said...

Jeremiah 9:2-9 - Oh that I had in the wilderness a lodging place of wayfaring men; that I might leave my people, and go from them! for they be all adulterers, an assembly of treacherous men. And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the Lord. Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders.

And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity. Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the Lord. Therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts, Behold, I will melt them, and try them; for how shall I do for the daughter of my people? Their tongue is as an arrow shot out; it speaketh deceit: one speaketh peaceably to his neighbour with his mouth, but in heart he layeth his wait. Shall I not visit them for these things? saith the Lord: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?



Micah 7:2-7 - The good man is perished out of the earth: and there is none upright among men: they all lie in wait for blood; they hunt every man his brother with a net. That they may do evil with both hands earnestly, the prince asketh, and the judge asketh for a reward; and the great man, he uttereth his mischievous desire: so they wrap it up. The best of them is as a brier: the most upright is sharper than a thorn hedge: the day of thy watchmen and thy visitation cometh; now shall be their perplexity. Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom. For the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law; a man's enemies are the men of his own house. Therefore I will look unto the Lord; I will wait for the God of my salvation: my God will hear me.


Luke 12:49-53 - I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.


Matthew 10:16-22,34-36 - Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. ...Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

AW said...

Without getting into why, this is where I believe things are headed soon.

Matthew 24:9-13 - Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended [fall away], and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:9-13 - But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them. And the gospel must first be published among all nations. But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Luke 21:12-19 - But before all these [fearful sights and great signs from heaven], they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. And it shall turn to you for a testimony. Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. But there shall not an hair of your head perish. In your patience possess ye your souls.

Anonymous said...

In Christ Alone, you misunderstand the ones who have posted here and tried to offer their help and support. No, we Christians don't need to "suck it up". We need to cast all of our cares on the Lord. Honestly it sounds like you are carrying all these burdens instead of doing that. It is not that we do not have empathy for your pain - we just know it does not good to just wallow in it.

Don't fight with your parents. It is not your place to change their minds if they won't listen. But it IS your responsibility to protect your children.

Yes, it hurts deeply to lose that foster child. But God allowed him to be taken away. You are suffering grief at the loss of a child. But for the sake of your own children you must seek God and ask Him how He wants you to model this for your own children. The foster child is not old enough to understand a gift is from you. Your prayers for him and his mother are what is most important now.

You say you don't think you have much in yourself for helping others. Do you really mean that? Doesn't the Holy Spirit live within you? We can't just curl up and give up. You are saying it is not who you are to be strong for your children and your wife - God delights to use the weak if they will only surrender to Him, wholly and totally. Are you willing to do that?

That is the only path to victory in your life. I pray you will turn everything over to the Lord and let Him decide what He wants you to do and then be obedient. Read His Word and pray.

Anonymous said...

In Christ Alone - I am sorry for the loss of your foster child. That must be very hard. I'm sure you were as attached to him as if he were your own. I hope and pray you find peace, and that he is safe.
Sue

Christsfreeservnt said...

AW, Thank you so much for those scriptures. The Lord has often used those in my life to encourage and strengthen me, especially those in Jeremiah. Good reminders!

Anonymous said...

This is to AW at 12:27 who tore into me for my remarks to In Christ Alone

Your words to me were heartless. I meant sincerely to empathize with the person and yet give some advice on getting past it. I have walked a very lonely road for most of my life so I do identify with ICA - you said my words were smug and heartless and compared them to those of Job's friends. That is one of the worst insults that a Christian can receive. I understand that rebukes are sometimes necessary but you did not give me one iota of charity. And yet you said they were "biblical". Biblical words are not heartless because they are God's Words.

I have suffered from depression most of my life and painful rejection. I do know hurt but I also know what it takes to have victory over it. Having a pity party is not the way to go.

You have wounded me with your harsh words. I will never post anything again. I forgive you, but I am going away.

Anonymous said...

For In Christ Alone, I'm so sorry. What a broken system we have. Good people who have their kids best interest at heart get turned in for medical neglect or perceived homeschooling infractions, but people who endanger their children can have them without any proof of a changed life. Praying if things fall apart at home, he can return to you.

I'm struggling alot in church right now. I typed a whole comment and it got deleted so this is the abridged version. We just don't fit in at all. I work full time and am able to homeschool my oldest, as she is old enough and able to self direct. My other two are in public school out of necessity, which I hate. We have felt alot of judgment on that lately, even from the pulpit. It has been difficult to stomach as this is based on choices we both made before we were saved, and now I am in no position to quit my job. We've explained that, been told there is no judgment but that is certainly not how we feel or what is said. I have one good friend, a new friend, who is also feeling out of place. We are in a new church plant in the upper Midwest, but it has a definite southern IFB feel. For awhile I tried to conform because I wanted desperately to fit in, but I don't. Most of the women are very sweet, but not really NWO or end times aware, or want to talk about it at all. Most things discussed are very casual, kids, baking, shopping. We do have some good Bible studies with our pastor, and I've been thankful. One person in particular has become blatantly unfriendly, and it has been spiritually oppressive. I came out of the RCC and Lutheran churches. It is obvious that a couple feel if you did not spend your formative years in an IFB listening to KJV preaching, you will just never be as worthy or "holy" as they are. I've even had one belittle me because of my viewpoints. We have a very small church, so trust me that even one or two people like that can make a huge difference in the atmosphere of things.

But the thing is...I have NEVER fit in anywhere I've ever been before. Not in school as a kid, not in the community, I've never been popular in any workplace. I come from a severely dysfunctional and abusive family, you know that no matter how old you are the dysfunction never goes away, so I just try to manage how much of it I take in. I have a wonderful husband...he has really been my only long term relationship and support and friend in my life. He doesn't have the interest in end times events etc. that I do, but he will hear me out generally. I've never had family I could trust or fall back on from my side. My husbands folks passed away in the past few years, and we have no one to rely on but each other anymore even for help with our kids. People in town treat us oddly because we left the Lutheran church after we got saved, and now that we have started homeschooling our eldest, there are many people who won't even acknowledge us anymore out in public.

Heather (this is part 1, made me separate comments)

Anonymous said...

Part 2 - Heather

So the positive in it all is that I really think that God gives us things that make us who we are, and I know they are not a cake walk for alot of us. BB - I have read your blog for a couple years, I know what you have said about your family. What do we do with all of this? Do we continue on in that same pattern, or do we give it to Jesus? I once heard a preacher say that "all those bad things happened to the old Adam, it didn't happen to the new". Sometimes I am still sad about it but mostly I can go on fine. Once I was able to get rid of the hate and unforgiveness from my own family situation a few years back, the things that have happened to me, and continue to happen to me, shape who I am as a person and as a Christian. The worse it gets, the closer I move to Jesus and hunker down and cling to truth. I think it is so much harder for people who have had easy lives, have been very popular and loved by all, it is so much harder to separate and come out of systems and make any sort of stand for their faith. I really believe God uses these things to build his remnant, and has given us means to build qualities that will honor and serve Him as He wants.

For the lady whose daughter is struggling to find friends...I understand. My daughter is 14, and is really struggling now. I have honestly pondered looking for a local homeschooling group, but we are in such a small rural area I would guess it is very ecumenical. All of her "school friends" literally ditched her the first week of school last fall when they found out she wasn't going back. I just keep praying the Lord will bring her a good, Godly friend. I'm not lamenting the kids that left her behind, they were reaching an age where my daughters standards were becoming more and more unacceptable to them, and she was getting left out as they were getting into activities that she wanted no part of. But the loss is difficult anyhow.

Also, to AW, thank you for posting all the scripture. It gave me alot of comfort. The further we go toward Jesus' return, the worse it will be, the more we will be persecuted, the more people will despise us and betray us. It is past the starting point now, we are into it. Not as bad as some countries, but into it. I believe there will be very, very few of us, very spread out from the looks of it at least from my standpoint. I am not a courageous person by nature, but I surely pray that God will give me whatever I need as those things come to pass.

I really wish from that all of us commenters and readers could just get together with BB for an afternoon. That would be so much fun. In a strange, end times, NWO-discussing, other-people-would-be-freaked-out kind of way lol. Thanks again.

Heather

Anonymous said...


This is Anon at 8:43 that AW rebuked.
In Christ Alone, I want to apologize if any of my words caused you further hurt. My motive was pure to help, but perhaps I said things I should not have said. I ask for your forgiveness.

Debra said...

If we are feeling uncomfortable in this world, we are blessed. Jesus didn't fit in nor did He have a reputation in the eyes of all. They wanted to kill Him because He exposed all the darkness in their hearts. There are tares among wheat, plants of the enemy in church buildings. Not everyone that declares they are a born again believer are actually born again. They could be Luciferians. So evil looks can come from the pit. We need to rejoice in the light of Christ who exposes these wicked people. Obe day He will sit on His judgement throne to repay their wicked deeds and hearts. He is a righteous judge and will bring vindication for His people.

Christsfreeservnt said...

Heather, I so identify with so many of the things you have said about your childhood and your adult years, your life experiences, and your beliefs and values, as well as the part about not fitting in anywhere. I get that big time! Because I am serious about the Lord, and about his Word, and about following him in obedience to his Word, and because I teach God’s Word in very practical ways, applying God’s Word to our daily lives and present world, I get a lot of rejection, and not too many people want to be my friends.

My beliefs about Christmas and Easter (I don’t celebrate them) have ostracized me even more from other believers in Jesus, who I think must think I am not right in the head to not celebrate Christmas, in particular. And, then, I also don’t participate with the institutional church, so that isolates me even more from people. I used to be part of the institutional church, and I used to celebrate these holidays, but God convicted me of it all, and so I obeyed him, even though it cost me friendships and acceptance from many people.

Yet, I also grew up in an abusive environment, and I was never popular, and I have had a lot of rejection over my lifetime, which I, too, believe God has used in my life to make me who I am, and for his purposes. I could not do what I do now if I was concerned at all about whether or not people like me, or if I was afraid to stand alone, and stand alone I often do, though not entirely alone. God/Jesus is with me, and there are many like-minded people throughout the world, on the internet, like us, and we can encourage one another, though I am sure we are not all going to agree on all things, either.

Anyway, thanks for sharing. You encouraged my heart. Sue Love

Anonymous said...

To Sue - thanks so much. You encouraged me as well. Take care!
Heather

AW said...

Anon 10:41 AM,

Your advice was sound and biblical, but not necessarily applicable to this particular situation. Given your other comment, I don't think I misunderstood your assumption that ICA was not doing those things (trusting the Lord, etc), hence the reference to Job's friends. Their advice was also true, only it did not apply to Job's situation.

I did not say it to wound you, and I am truly sorry that in my defense of ICA I was harsh and uncharitable to you. I do think you intended to help but I also disagree with your assessment of ICA. I did not hear a lack of resting and trusting in the Lord or a pity party so much as a cry of grief from a broken heart.

Bible Believer said...

Heather thanks for your nice posts. I will respond more later, it's late now.

I agree with AW and did not see a pity party. I maybe did not edit posts heavily enough here, I certainly did not want someone feeling grief to feel judged and treated harshly, like AW that is how I saw their post too. Be careful, there is a lot of hardness in the world and the "right wing" is into telling people to never cry or feel emotions or sadness. I am very delayed on somethings I have wanted to write, real life getting in the way but I still plan to write an article on that issue how the NWO does not want people to have feelings or emotions. I have noted in some Christian circles, the demands to be never crying stoics have only grown and it is tied to all the "think positive" or else stuff I wrote against years ago.

I don't like seeing that lack of empathy among anyone or what appears as lack of empathy. People who say things like use your bootstraps or buck up or why are you crying at losses, are people I tend to avoid IRL, I certainly have had my fill.

Maybe that poster meant well thinking they were helping but realize feelings are not always bad, and the Christians were called to comfort. I've mourned the children I've never had and the nieces and nephews taken away [religious division and more] so the pain of someone who was a father to a child losing that child is much more.