Tuesday, December 20, 2016

More Promotion of the Mark of the Beast

Here's more open promotion of the "Mark of the Beast". It was interesting to see commenters already on the youtube page quoting Revelation 13. We have been warned.  These young men have given in to complete evil. The freedom angle is ignored too as well as not wanting human beings to be products. Notice the Buddhist statue in the beginning. It is also ironic a sign says "WARNING" in big black letters later on.

Never Receive the Mark of the Beast


Anonymous said...

its a crazy age in which we are living in. I do believe this could very well be the mark of the beast. I also do believe that Ash Wednesday was a sort of precursor of Satans mark. During the Middle Ages that's one way the inquisition knew who was a part of the Roman church and who wasn't. If one didn't recieve the ash mark on their foreheads they were labeled "heretics" and put to death. It's interesting that the ash mark is put on by the "priests" right hand. I'm not saying this is the Mark of the beast, but I believe it was a precursor to the mark. I'm one of those "crazy Christians" who believes that the cross is a graven image and shouldn't be used by believers. Hebrews 12:2 says Jesus Christ despised the shame of the cross, so why would a believer use a Roman killing devise that Jesus despised as an image that they believe represents him?.....James

Debra said...

Corporations don't do anything unless there is a profit to be had. I bet this little chip is going to be costly with s payment plan attached. This is technology so will this chip need upgrades like your cell? We have God's Holy Spirit in us, sealing us for God's Kingdom. Some claim to be believers but God's word says that he who endures to the end and those who do the will of the Father will be saved. This is proof that those who make their claim as being born again will reveal who they really are when they get to the finish. Pray that we are the Philadelphia church to spare us from this hour of trial.

Anonymous said...

James, the Ash Wednesday thing as a precursor makes sense, but it only for one day of the year and is not permanent.

I would rather think that the MoB will be permanent, maybe as a tattoo as they are so widely used now and accepted by most everyone. The implant thing is a bit invasive but the tattoo would be more favorably accepted. It could be a code of some kind like the IPC codes on products.

Those who refuse it would not be able to transact business of any kind and cash would no longer be useable. Also, if you own gold you would still need the code to liquidate it or use it for commerce. Also, it would mean instant execution if one refuses to get the mark. Does anyone have a theory as to how this would affect Christians if we are on the earth during the reign on the AC?

The only thing I don't get is the reference to the forehead - that was the Ash Wednesday thing or it could also maybe become a permanent tattoo. But how many people would submit to a tattoo on their forehead?

They maybe could come up with a technology where the mark on the forehead is invisible except to the scanner.

Anonymous said...

Here's another thought: Those who need medications for life-threatening conditions could not be treated or get their prescriptions. They would not even be able to go to a doctor. If they were in an accident they would not be able to get emergency care.
There are many ramifications to force people to succumb to the system and get the mark.

What if a Christian had a suffering child and in a weak moment took the mark?

Anonymous said...

16And it maketh all, the small, and the great, and the rich, and the poor, and the freemen, and the servants, that it may give to them a mark upon their right hand or upon their foreheads, 17and that no one may be able to buy, or to sell, except he who is having the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is the wisdom! He who is having the understanding, let him count the number of the beast, for the number of a man it is, and its number [is] 666.

According to scripture it seems the mark is just an option; you can also take on his name or the number of his name instead of the mark.

Anonymous said...

The Middle Ages in Europe was a little different. All there was back then was papal Catholics and those deemed "heretics" by the papal church. It was easy to know who wasn't a part of papal Catholicism, and Ash Wednesday was one of them. The other was those that refused to bow to the papal wafer god as it was paraded through the streets. The people who refused their ash Mark was refused all commodities of life at that time. No one would sell to them, as most wealthy merchants were part of the papal beast system, as they are now. There Are many writings on this subject. One would be "the history of Romanism" by John Dowling. It's an extensive history of the papal church, their doctrines, and their atrocities. People during that time believed they were living in the times that revelation talks about, including the Mark. They believed that Ash Wednesday was the Mark of the beast, and any believer alive during that time would have no doubt thought the same. I believe it was/is a precursor as it was used to point out the enemies of the papal church, then action was taken against those people. If one didn't forsake Jesus Christ and renounce the gospel they were tortured and put to death. This new mark will be used in the same way. The ones responsible for implementing this satainic mark will know who the true believers are. They will be the ones who are picked up by the authorities who do not have this mark, and refuse to get it. I'm a firm believer in history repeating itself. I believe the papal inquisitions was a precursor to the end time persecution true believers will endure, and that the ash mark was the same type of precursor. It's only my opinion of coarse.....

Anonymous said...

James, thanks for the reminder of Hebrews 12:2. It helped me with something that always bothered me.
Peace to you - Sue

Debra said...

Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Anonymous said...

The guy took the chip in his left hand. I do agree that the world is being readied for this. But does not Rev. 13 say they openly worship the beast? The false prophet in vs. 11 is the one who causes all to worship Satan and to take the mark of Satan. They will knowingly do this. It's a choice, but it's in the right hand or forehead. Blessings

Anonymous said...

BB, here is more on digital identities for global citizens / MoB

Prophecy Fulfillment - REVELATION 18 IS HAPPENING!

Anonymous said...

No one seems to be able to answer this hypothetical question: What if a Christian takes the mark to save their sick child for instance or a family member from being tortured? Christians have weak moments and fall into temptation.

Anonymous said...

Sue. It's my opinion that worshipping God in spirit and in truth does not require any sort of "holy" paraphernalia. I believe the "cross" that most people literally worship falls under exodus 20:4. I've had people accuse me of worshipping the bible. I do not worship anything made by human hands, but the Word is eternal, and according to John 1 is God, because Jesus Christ is the Word made flesh. So when it comes to worshipping the Words (not paper or ink), I'd have to say I'm guilty as charged. I'm glad I could help you with something. That's what we are all here for. Iron sharpens iron. God bless......James

Debra said...

Anon, regarding a sick child

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Revelation 14 as posted before.

Bible Believer said...

Yes we are in a crazy age. I can see the Ash Wednesday mark as a pecursor but do not believe someone is damned for good if they take that. I hope not. It's just a foreshadowing and has nothing to do with buying and selling. I had to take those marks when young and Catholic. I agree with you it was used as a mark to separate the herd. The nuns and others used to tell us to wear our ashes with pride around town so everyone would know we were Catholics.

I have wondered that about the cross too James, I'm not legalistic about it but atheists used to make jokes, how come you're not wearing an electric chair necklace around your neck? I have one old marble cross I got from a thrift store years and years ago but don't wear crosses or otherwise display them. I threw all crucifixes right in the trash can, I owned three when I got saved.

I believe there will be profit in this too. I said to someone why take a chip for some very poor with no money? I think we have 5 dollars in the bank account today. We were able to pay our bills this month and have food. Imagine poor people lining up, they aren't like Mr. young Yuppie now headed to hell with endless expendable income to eat out at bistros with hindu statues everyday and buy 15 dollar bowls of some chopped minute steak, green onions, rice and an egg. I think the commenter is right they could force medical care, via this chip for old and disabled. I saw some people saying some law had been passed to chip the mentally disabled like Alzheimers patients, but I have to investigate this still and don't know of it's truth.

A chip gives MAN ownership of another MAN. This I believe is why God is offended and one goes direct to hell for giving one's body and ownership over to another human being willingly.

They have been experimenting with tattoos too. I think this thing still counts as a mark even if the technology is enhanced or "changed" to a tattoo with embedded chips.

All of us have to ask ourselves about being martyred. I used to think I would die before it came up. I am old and sick, but it is possible we all here could be around when this comes. I am sickened honestly seeing the enslavement of people that is willing with the cash-less society. I had a friend talk about how an airport took 200 dollars off her bank card without telling her. The charges were never signed for or anything. The corporations know they can clean out the peasants easier when all they have to do is play around with a few zeros electronically and have instant access to bank accounts. She told me the airports don't take cash or check. I still pay bills with check and refuse use of debit cards.

Even with a suffering child, a Christian has to refuse. People in the Inquisitions had their children threatened with starvation and worse. They still refused to bow/kneel before the Eucharist, etc.

I agree they ferreted out the heretics, easy when people refused ashaes or wouldn't kneel for the "corpus" parades.

Rome has infiltrated the highest halls of power even now and I believe the Pope himself is the real leader of the freemasons and many other groups. History will repeat itself. I am still creeped out by how easily I angered 18-19 "evangelical" women at that one church. The churches have the future dominionist soldiers getting ready.
Hmm getting it in his left hand does not save him. I think he wanted to mock scripture with that choice, or well he is left handed.

I know those are hard questions, One is still supposed to refuse it unto death or the wicked doing things to their loved ones. Yes I know that is a controversial statement but scripture is pretty clear on this. Yes on Luke 26.

I agree holy paraphenalia is to be avoided.

Anonymous said...

I don't believe the mark is a literal physical mark/device . Just as God marks his people with his seal sprititually, so will the mark of the beast be. Remember, satan is just a copycat. He has no original idea and so he attempts to copy God. If you understand the idioms of the day when these words were written, that makes sense. Will you follow the way of the world and satan, or will you obey God and his will I believe is what it means. And to take the mark on the forehead is to knowingly, rebelliously and purposefully accept satan's ways, and to spout words of faith with God but not follow his will I believe is to take the mark in the hand. Google around. Many have written on this concept and can explain it much better than I can.

Anonymous said...

Debra, I am sorry to say this, but you sound like one cold fish. Do you have children? Do you even love little children? Do you agree with JWs as they let their children die before taking a blood transfusion?

I would rather think that one would pray for the child and not consider them disposable. Parents have a responsibility to protect their children. I don't think that is what our Lord meant at all. Jesus had compassion on the children and told His disciples to let them come to Him.

It wouldn't have to be a sick child. It could be the torture of a loved one. These seem like legitimate questions for a scenario that many people think we will find ourselves in the not too distant future as the issue of the MofB is discussed.

Anonymous said...

Another question comes to mind. What would happen if a Christian fell into temptation and took the mark? Would he/she lose their salvation?

Anonymous said...

Why would the Bible state taking the mark on the right hand or forehead, if it wasn't a literal mark that could be used for business; including scanning it for the false concept of tithing? And if this wasn't a literal mark, why then is our LORD so specific in pointing out the exact locations of this identity if it's to be understood figuratively instead? It makes no sense and there are times when people read too much into Scriptures that does not exist. We then make a god of our own understanding rather than following God's Word.

In the U.S., we already have a mark so to speak, an identity, but it is not on our skin as of yet. Technology is at the crossroads of rendering our social security number, which we receive at birth, on our foreheads or our right hands. It is now possible to tattoo a human being with so called invisible ink only to be seen under a certain light for identification.

We must remember that Ecclesiastes states, "There is nothing new under the sun," thus a form of beast system has already been at work throughout the generations, culminating to the point of that one man of perdition, the anti-Christ, making his appearance before Jesus' Second Coming.

I am told by churches not to take the Bible literally as there is so much we don't understand, thus church has become a social event designed to worship the pastor and leadership and the more money we give, the more we are catered too by the leadership. The concept of the church becomes "be nice to those who give the most money, for my nice health care package and retirement fund depends on it," saith the pastor.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the last anon that the tattoo could very well be on the forehead in invisible ink only visible under a certain kind of light. And I agree that we should take the Bible at its word and not try to figure it out by human terms. Believers are supposed to be led by the Holy Spirit which will reveal when symbolism is meant and when literal is meant.

An interesting thought: Perhaps the mark on the hand would be invisible also. To the naked eye one would not be able to tell who is a Christian and who is a poser or a spy.

But this question bears repeating: What if a Christian should succumb to pressure and take the mark?

Anonymous said...

Anyone who throws out the word "cold fish" does not know history. I still remember stories of true martyrs were the papal church suffocated hundreds of woman and children at once by building fires at the end of a cave which in turn smoked all those inside to death. This was done because they refused to "convert" to Romanism. They also use to throw a mother and her children over cliffs for the same reasons. These people were faithful unto the end where they received a better resurrection. Please don't blame the people that would refuse this "mark", but blame those who plan on implementing it. I wouldn't be surprised if children are taken away from parents who refuse this mark and relocated to "foster parents" in some cases. Also, I'm wasn't trying to imply that anyone who received the ash mark are damned, that it will be used in a similar way......James

Debra said...

A born again Holy Spirit filled believer would never take the mark. They couldn't because they are one with the Father. If a person claiming to be a believer takes the mark, then they were never truly born again. God's wrath will be upon those who take the mark. His wrath does not come upon believers as there is no condemnation for born again believers. You can't lose your salvation if you never had it to begin with. We can still cry out to be the Philadelphia church as true believers.

Anonymous said...

James, I am very aware of the history of persecution of Christians by papal authorities and the Inquisition and also modern day martyrs by other religions. I used a common expression for someone who is cold to the concerns of others. I appreciate your comments, but that was a bit picky don't you think?

Debra, your comment does not take into account the free will that God gives to believers. As long as we are on this earth we have the flesh with which to contend. Believers sin. We don't earn our salvation and we can't keep it. We don't keep our salvation thorough obedience. God chastens His children who sin, He does not take away their salvation - you are correct in saying that.

However, during the Tribulation and reign of AC it will be quite a different scenario than we have ever had on this earth. We have never seen a world-wide domination and control by one entity. History has been limited to certain areas and parts of the world, not the entire global world and the technology that is available today to control the population of the entire earth.

Debra, you and I know that Christians while we are in the flesh and tempted by Satan, we will sin on this earth. That must open up the possibility that a true born-again Christian could take the mark in a weak moment, does it not?

Therefore, isn't it a legitimate question to ask what would be the consequence for a true born-again Christian who takes the mark? Christ died for our sins past, present and future. And yet the Bible says that anyone who takes the mark will not be forgiven. Can anyone speak to this? If you are a Calvinist, the answer is simple. God will control your actions and not allow you to take the mark. However, BB has clearly shown that Calvinism is a false belief system.

Anonymous said...

Sorry Debra, but I think you are a bit confused. Surely you do not believe as the "holiness" people do that a Christian can reach sinless perfection. You are saying it is impossible for a true believer to sin by taking the mark. That would be a test that very few believers had ever been through with family members being tortured or children taken away as James has suggested might happen.

I am glad to see that you believe in the eternal security of the believer. When someone truly receives Jesus Christ as Savior all sins are forgiven, even those that are committed in the future. Of course that doesn't give a license to sin and to abuse the grace of God. A true believer would be convicted of sin. But if a true believer would give in and take the mark, that sin would be forgiven but that would go against what the Bible says about taking the mark. The Bible doesn't contradict itself. What say ye about this?

SJLC said...

Anyone who knows the truth about the mark of the beast would never be able to take it. A big part of satanic power is delusions that allow people to deny consequences of their choices. If there are still born-again believers under the beast's government when the mark of the beast is instituted (which seems likely but I'm not sure, might instead be protected in the wilderness after an earlier period of persecution - rev 12:14) then the Holy Spirit will protect them from the strong delusion that allows people to be able to take the mark of the beast.

Some hypothetical illustrations of how revealed truth can make the right choice the only possible one in practice...

Deluded person hears: "Hey I've got a cure for your pounding headache. Want the cure?"

Undeceived person hears: "Hey I've got a cure for your pounding headache. It involves killing a crucial part of your brain since that's the part that hurts. You won't be able to feel your head afterwards, but also won't be able to walk, talk, etc. Or, you could wait until the headache goes away in a couple hours. Want the cure?"

Deluded person hears: "Hey I know you don't like seeing your children go hungry, so I've got an offer for you. I'll give them all delicious pizza that actually has good nutritional value. This is some really awesome pizza; shall I take your order?"

Undeceived person hears: "Hey I know you don't like seeing your children go hungry, so I've got an offer for you. I'll give them all delicious pizza that actually has good nutritional value. Then afterwards you get to go march into that torture chamber to be experimented upon for the rest of your life. Yes, of course your kids are going to follow you in there, 'do as I say not as I do' doesn't tend work too well, does it? Or, you could wait a few more hours for your dad to bring in supplies. This is some really awesome pizza; shall I take your order?"

Debra said...

If I'm not mistaken John MacArthur is a Calvinist and he says you can take the mark and still repent later. God's word says if you take the mark His wrath will be upon you and you will be knashing your teeth in the lake of fire. I believe God not John MacArthur.

Anonymous said...

The mark of the beast is not a chip. 2 timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord must turn away from iniquity.”

Those who call on the name of the Lord must turn away from iniquity (sin = lawlessness 1 John 3). Stop disobeying His commandments. otherwise you have the mark of the beast - your iniquity.

Please people stop all this nonsense you have brought with you from the harlot.

Anonymous said...

SJLC - thank you for your thoughtful comment. However, isn't a consequence of not taking the mark execution? If every Christian denied taking the mark that would wipe out the Christian population, would it not?

Debra, why do you bring up a straw man? I do not follow John MacArthur and believe he is a false teacher. Why would you quote a false teacher? You did not address the question of a true born-again believer taking the mark. God also says that He forgives ALL sins past present and future. There seems to be a conflict here, but we know that God does not contradict Himself.

Anonymous said...

you will never get your question answered because of all of the confusing doctrines and opinions broadcasted here. the answer to your question is only found in the scriptures.

Anonymous said...

Because we are forgiven for all sin, past, present and future, and because anyone who takes the mark of the beast cannot be forgiven, those who believe in Jesus for salvation _will_ be preserved from doing it, no matter how much denying it hurts, even our loved ones, "weak moment" or not. If we love their bodies, we love their souls even more. If we have a responsibility for their bodies, our responsibility toward their souls is even greater. And yes: the delusion that makes this seem like the answer to deliberate unbelievers, those who would not receive the love of the truth that they might be saved, isn't ours. We see it in its true ugliness, and it is so abominable to us that were not going to do it. I'm not sure that the "church" will be here then, but if not, our brethren the tribulation saints will. They won't stumble in this matter; God will preserve them from it.

Debra said...

Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Anonymous said...

Anon at 9:00 AM. This is why scripture should be read in context, and verses should not be singled out. I hope you're not I implying this is meant in terms of salvation. It says in verse 20 "but in a great house (house of God) there are not only those who do good things, but those who may not do so great of things. He tells us in verse 21 the purpose of doing these things (forsaking sin), and that is to be a vessel of honor prepared unto every good work. One wouldn't be a very good ambassador for Christ if they are caught up in worldly sin. It's a bad testimony and would lead non believers to look at you as a hypocrite. We are all sinners my friend. Did David, Solomon, Saul, Samson, and every other biblical figure besides Jesus Christ sin? Yes. Was David saved? Yes. Also the mark of the beast cannot logically be a metaphoric "seal". It says one cannot buy or sell without it, so this mark is clearly a temporal mark. This point alone discredits all of your SDA point of view. No, the Sunday sabbath law is not the mark of the beast......James.....2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 6:46. No, it wasn't "picky" at all. It proves that when a believer is faced with persecution that requires them to forsake their beliefs in favor of extended years in this world, they choose to not forsake God and hold true to their faith. There are people that cracked under persecution, but later recanted only to receive their punishment. Look at Peter. He did the same, but was later reconciled unto Christ and in Acts he preached more boldly then Everyone except Stephen?), not caring about the outcome. Also your claim about no entity ever controlling "worldwide" would be false as well. When Christopher Columbus reached the "new world" the first thing he did was plant the papal flag. This is taught in catholic schools (or use to be), but not in public schools. The conquistadors was nothing more then the papal inquisitions in "the new world". There were Jesuits in China, Japan etc. in fact there are quotes from Jesuits where they brag about the control they have in Asia......James

Scott Wasinski said...

"If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:" Rev 14:9

"And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God." Rev 15:2

"And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image." Revelation 16:2

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." Rev 20:4

One of the deceptive thoughts in the world, brought on by churchianity, is that praise and worship are the same thing. They are not. They are separate words with separate meanings.

Every single reference of the mark of the beast is associated with the "worship" of his image. The word worship, as defined by the context in scripture, means to "trust one's life to in complete submission"

That makes much more sense when you look at Rev 13:15 "And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."

The image appears to be some form of connection to the internet, because that is how information is distributed, worldwide, and that is how it can cause people that refuse to trust their very identity to the system, can be put on "the list."

I know I have said it over and over, but the King James Bible clearly distinguishes the mark separate from the name and separate from the number. All people will be made to have ONE of the THREE forms of identification. All three are in use today.

The Mark "PositiveID" microchip

The Name State issued IDs with embedded microchip

The Number Account numbers are on credit/debit cards with the same embedded microchip

All three use an elliptic curve cryptology with a personal key code to ensure "identification security" The word security means "trust"

The word "Veri" is from the Greek, meaning "Truth"

Verifone handles the security for all money transfers with the microchip in retail stores

Verisign handles all URL security for personal identification information transferred online

VeriChip is the corporation that own the Microchip highlighted in the article.

Truthfully, I say unto you, the times are here. And the "war on terror" is the war against the saints, because it is through the terrorism legislation that the DHS and other international intelligence agencies are requiring that the identification of all people to become "veri"fiable.

Do not trust your life to and submit to the internet system of verifying your identity. It's a trap! They don't call it a "web" because it's freedom. They don't call it "The Net" for naught.

I'm not a robot (anymore;)

Anonymous said...

Anon at 2:50 p.m. You are the first one who has made sense. You are right, I cannot get a straight answer to a perfectly straight question. There is much confusion here.
The answer may be in Scripture, but it helps to have iron sharpen iron and brethren reason together. But that does not seem to happen here.

James called me out for using the term "cold fish" and says he wasn't being picky and then doesn't even correctly address the issue.

Scott seems to be saying that if we are in the world system we have already taken the mark of the beast and seems to be alluding that one can be forgiven for taking the mark (as false teacher MacArthur says) because one can take the mark and yet not turn from God.

The more I study this issue, the more I believe that Christ will not allow His Bride to be subjected to making such a choice. He knows our frailties. This will be an era as never before. He will protect His Bride just as Noah and his family were protected from the destruction of the world by the ark.

There will be martyrs during the Tribulation because there will be people who get saved. It will be a difficult time as allegiance to Christ will be a death sentence. But those saints who were in Christ before the AC comes on the scene will be taken to safety and be with Him forever and ever. Search the Scriptures. They will tell you this very truth.

We can comfort one another with these words. Today is the day of salvation. We are to snatch as many from the fire as we can before the reign of the AC.

There are few blogs that can be trusted these days and BB does a great job. But I am becoming increasingly discouraged with the interchanges here.

Anonymous said...


I believe you are onto something stating, "the 'war on terror' is the war against the saints, because it is through the terrorism legislation that the DHS and other international intelligence agencies are requiring that the identification of all people to become "very"fiable."

Fascinating statement. And please correct me if I am wrong, was it not President Bush, the younger, that signed the bill for increased "Big Brother" in the lives of the innocent, all under the guise of the so called "war on terror?" Seems as though the terror has not let up due to bills increasing the government's knowledge concerning its citizens, but in fact, is becoming worse.

Oh, how people put such hope, faith, and trust, in the Republican party, and in government in general. And yet, the very same people that Republicans vote for, hoping for more protection, freedom and liberty, are the very same people joining hands with the Democrats, seeking to destroy born again believers in Jesus Christ.

And the harlot church system, already instituted and strong in this country, will play a huge role, siding with that man of perdition in as Scripture states it, "doing the will of God" in destroying His sheep.

The "web." Most are caught up in "the web," are they not.....and addicted to it quite beautifully! Rare is the man or woman, or couple (mostly the elderly), that doesn't have a computer, no spider, so web. And these people are generally happier and more content/more at peace NOT owning 'the web.' Fly for thought there.

SJLC said...


while many will be beheaded as part of the persecution, it says that the mark/name/number will be needed to participate in the economy. If the choice was between taking the mark or name or number vs automatic death sentence, why bother to mention not being able to buy and sell? So I think the beheaded martyrs will likely be a subset of those who know better than to take the mark.

However even if there is an automatic death sentence associated with opting out, a quick beheading vs residence in a lake of fire is still an obvious choice for those who understand the lake of fire is real, yes? I don't see anything that implies that some born-again believers will be allowed to fail when facing the beast. Our faith in the Word and indwelling of the Holy Spirit should be enough to protect us.

Soldier of Jah said...

Its not a chip or a tattoo anywhere on the body. Satan has people deceived to believe that foolishness. The mark of the beast has to do with worship. A billion plus worship on Sunday the false day of rest and much fewer worship on God's holy 7th day Sabbath. The mark of the beast is about worship. Jehovah's holy seventh day or man's appointed day first day of the week.

Revelation 12:17
Revelation 14:12
Revelation 22:14
Daniel 7:25
1 John 5:2
Matthew 5:17-19
Romans 3:31

Scott Wasinski said...

Many of the divisions among the saints of God (both here and abroad) come from a very intentionally prescribed system of what "Church" really is. I was just sent this video link from a brother and wanted to share this video with the saints here. It is probably the most skillful summary of the deceptions that I have ever seen yet. I know that it will edify those of us that truly seek the Lord to show us His ways and reveal to us His Word, rightly divided. Be edified:)


I'm not a robot (anymore;)

Anonymous said...

I find your teachings SAJ to be very troubling indeed, for your hypothesis indicates that those of us who worship Jesus in spirit and truth every day of the week, are not a part of the Body of Christ. It is easy to make the assumption that Seventh Day Adventists consider the rest of us believers, headed for hell in a handbasket because we do not specifically set aside Friday sundown to Saturday sundown (Roman calendar) as the true Sabbath.

Jesus Christ is LORD of the Sabbath per His very Word/Words. And in fact, Jesus is the fulfillment the Sabbath and all of the Jewish Feasts, therefore, all of the works done by man is a futile attempt at earning our salvation/works based theology. Even if you honored every Jewish Sabbath from here to His Kingdom to come, an individual still may not be in the presence of Jesus at His Second Coming.

The mark of the beast will be placed on the individual as an identification mark per Scriptures, it is not a "mark of the heart" that cannot be seen by man, however Jesus does know the thoughts/heart condition of every person.

There is a beast system of which we are all a part of, then there is 'the mark' which identifies those who worship the beast and are able to partake of his system.

We must not confuse who Jesus actually is and His fulfillment of everything on that tree at Calvary.

Debra said...

Interesting to note on a website:
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Origin of the names of the days

The names of the days are in some cases derived from Teutonic deities or, such as in Romance languages, from Roman deities. The early Romans, around the first century, used Saturday as the first day of the week. As the worshipping of the Sun increased, the Sun's day (Sunday) advanced from position of the second day to the first day of the week (and saturday became the seventh day).

The name comes from the Latin dies solis, meaning "sun's day": the name of a pagan Roman holiday. It is also called Dominica (Latin), the Day of God. The Romance languages, languages derived from the ancient Latin language (such as French, Spanish, and Italian), retain the root.

French: dimanche; Italian: domenica; Spanish: domingo
German: Sonntag; Dutch: zondag. [both: 'sun-day']

The name comes from the Anglo-Saxon monandaeg, "the moon's day". This second day was sacred to the goddess of the moon.

French: lundi; Italian: lunedi. Spanish: lunes. [from Luna, "Moon"]
German: Montag; Dutch: maandag. [both: 'moon-day']

This day was named after the Norse god Tyr. The Romans named this day after their war-god Mars: dies Martis.

French: mardi; Italian: martedi; Spanish: martes.
The Germans call Dienstag (meaning "Assembly Day"), in The Netherlands it is known as dinsdag, in Danmark as tirsdag and in Sweden tisdag.

The day named to honor Wodan (Odin).
The Romans called it dies Mercurii, after their god Mercury.

French: mercredi; Italian: mercoledi; Spanish: miércoles.
German: Mittwoch; Dutch: woensdag.

The day named after the Norse god Thor. In the Norse languages this day is called Torsdag.
The Romans named this day dies Jovis ("Jove's Day"), after Jove or Jupiter, their most important god.

French: jeudi; Italian: giovedi; Spanish: jueves.
German: Donnerstag; Dutch: donderdag.

The day in honor of the Norse goddess Frigg.
In Old High German this day was called frigedag.
To the Romans this day was sacred to the goddess Venus, and was known as dies veneris.

French: vendredi; Italian: venerdi; Spanish: viernes.
German: Freitag ; Dutch: vrijdag.

This day was called dies Saturni, "Saturn's Day", by the ancient Romans in honor of Saturn. In Anglo-Saxon: sater daeg.

French: samedi; Italian: sabato; Spanish: sábádo.
German: Samstag; Dutch: zaterdag.
Swedish: Lördag; and in Danish and Norse: Lørdag ("washing day").

Anonymous said...

SJLC, thank you for your comment.

One thing that has come to my mind is that Christians are at all stages of growth - some are baby believers and other more mature. How will the baby believers be able to have the maturity and Bible knowledge to grasp the enormity of a decision to take the mark? Certainly, mature believers who have studied the Word and grown in the Lord will be able to know, but what about the others?

Anonymous said...

Anon. What issue did I not "address correctly"? please elaborate. I'm sorry if my answers isn't what you want to hear. Calling someone a "cold fish" for saying a true believer will lay down his life for faith. It's the story of the scriptures. Hebrews 11 is known as "the faith chapter"......James.....Hebrews 11:32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.

34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect

Anonymous said...

The "Sunday sabbath law" is not the mark of the beast. Jesus Christ fulfilled the sabbath and is our "rest". Paul clearly lays out in Romans 14 that it matters not what day you set aside for the Lord, as long as you "regardeth it unto the Lord". SDA doctrine cannot hold up to the scrutiny of the holy scriptures. In fact it contradicts them, just like papal Catholicism.......James.....Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Bible Believer said...

I agree the war against the saints is beginning. We are in even more troubling times

I knew not to take the mark, almost the very moment I was saved. Reading the bible that verse is a popular well known one. I knew it when I was in Catholic school even as a child, they didn't have Verichip there and other nonsense but we knew of the possibilities of tattoos or marks. I do not believe one has to be a mature believer to get that one should not become a product for the monetary system to be marked like a product on shelves for buyers and sellers.

I guess we have just figured out the SDA has the "one true church" theme going because if sabbath keeping on the wrong day is the mark, that means just about everyone but the SDA members are doomed. Funny how they make everything but faith in Jesus Christ the foundation of salvation.

SJLC said...

Anon, see BB comment above. Those who have been sealed by the Spirit upon being born again will not be allowed to fall under delusion and make the wrong choice in that life-or-death situation -- they could be total new-borns like the thief on the cross, and still be given strength to choose life over death! Jesus *promises* not to lose those who are His


just like He succeeded in keeping those disciples who were truly His (meaning everyone but the false disciple He knew about ahead of time); they all were faithful even to death after receiving the Holy Spirit


On the other hand, there appear to be many "nominal Christians" out there who are not yet even newborns, and seeing this prophecy come to pass may be what it takes to wake them up so that they can truly believe and be saved. So it is important that end-time prophecies like this be taught truthfully ahead of time, so they can recognize it when it happens!

Anonymous said...

James, your insinuation that your answer was not what I wanted to hear as the reason I questioned your criticism of my terminology is really condescending and not what one would expect from a fellow believer. It was the terminology that you took umbrage with. If I had not used "fish" I wonder if you would have called that out. I was referring to the coldness of attitude and lack of compassion by the commenter for those who might suffer due to the bad treatment of their children.

SJLC and BB, in regards to the stage of maturity of believers being of no effect upon their temptation to take the mark, there are many people who may have truly been born-again but have not had the benefit of good teaching and remain immature. In the current environment of apostasy that is a very real possibility. They fall for false teachers who weave truth and falsity together. They have not been properly disciple and taught. I think of those in the churches BB often writes about - surely there ae true believers in these churches despite the fact that they are not getting good teaching.

If the aversion to the mark is so deeply embedded into each believer regardless of their level of maturity, then why is such a warning needed as to the consequences of taking the mark?

And then what about Scott saying that if we are participating in the current system in any way such as by SSN or credit card or banking that we are already taking the mark? There is nothing inherently evil about the technology or the system. It may even be helpful in some cases such as GPS. It is the potential that it will be used for evil at some point as it lands into the hands of evildoers.

Christians, even true born-agains, are woefully uninformed and confused as there is so little true biblical teaching being done in the churches today. Sound doctrine is almost extinct in the churches and on media. I know some sincere Christians who watch "Christian" TV. They are naïve and have not been educated and warned as the Bible tells us is a necessity. We are living in a time when it is very difficult for a new Christian to grow and mature and even know about Bible prophecy. I have a relative who I believe is truly saved but doesn't have a clue about what is coming. I think we deceive ourselves if we think that every single believer will automatically know and understand the consequences. The Bible says that there are weak believers even though they have the Holy Spirit. Christians sin - that is a fact. So why would that be different in the Tribulation period? Isn't that an honest question? It is meant to be.

Anonymous said...

10:17, im the 2:50 anon. anyone can be deceived. such a warning was placed in the bible for this exact reason. good catch! your question is important because too many christians have the peter syndrome. they "think" they know what they will do, but under trial will do the contrary. may that not be the case.

Soldier of Jah said...

Pay attention to this passage in Malachi which is an end time prophecy of the Messiah's second advent. A call to remember the law of Moses with the judgements and statutes (appointed times). You maywant to rethink that the Sabbath is done away with along with the other Holy days. The teaching that the Sabbath was nailed to the cross is false. We willbe keeping the Sabbath and the new moons in heaven Isaiah 66:22-23, the new heaven and new earth.

Malachi Chapter 4

1For, behold, the day cometh, it burneth as a furnace; and all the proud, and all that work wickedness, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith Jehovah of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.2But unto you that fear my name shall the sun of righteousness arise with healing in its wings; and ye shall go forth, and gambol as calves of the stall.3And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I make, saith Jehovah of hosts.4Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, even statutes and ordinances.5Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and terrible day of Jehovah come.6And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers; lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Soldier of Jah said...

As far as the SDA's being the only ones saved, I don't suscribe to that at all and neither do most Adventists.

Anonymous said...

Soldier. Malachi 4.4 and 5 is speaking of Christ Jesus' FIRST coming. Luke 1:17 says John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elias. Also Paul says in Hebrews that the NT did not come into effect unto the testator (Jesus Christ) died on the cross, so the people alive when Jesus walked the earth were under the Old covenant. You deny paul in favor of Ellen white . So I guess "soldier of Jan" is right and Paul is wrong? There is nothing wrong with keeping the sabbath, but when one feels as though it's a commandment and is a part of salvation, they are preaching a false gospel. Colossians 2 destroys TWO of SDAs false doctrines. 1 that we are supposed to keep the sabbath days 2 that Jesus Christ was the angel Michael, because it clearly talks about no one beguiling you over the worshipping of angels. The Israelites erred because they thought their "religion" was only made up of carnal ordinances. They failed to realize those ordinances were "foreshadowing " that were to come, this is why Jesus Christ said he came to fulfill the scriptures. He fulfilled the sabbath. Please read Hebrews, or is that another point where Ellen white trumps the apostle Paul?

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Anonymous said...

Anon. So you expect a fellow believer to sit and listen to your criticisms of another fellow believer by calling them a "cold fish"? i believe you should properly sweep in front of your own rug, and removed the beam from your own eye. I could have said the same to you when you made the comment but didn't. What you're trying to do is divert attention away from your own comment on to another. You made the comment. it's you who are criticizing people who want to do nothing more than follow what scripture says. Will you be one of the people who will stand up and tell others (like you are now) that it will be ok to take the mark as long as you're "doing it out of love"? It sure sounds like it. Please question your own faith instead of others, it YOU who are telling others that the Word of God is in error, not me......James

Anonymous said...

Soldier of Jah, you deceive yourself. SDA considers those who worship on Sunday to be unsaved. It is a gospel of WORKS!! No one is saved by works! Therefore, SDA has a false gospel. False gospels save no one. They are lies from Satan. Therefore, sad to say, it would appear that if an Adventist is trusting in the false gospel of works is NOT SAVED. That is the bottom line. Soldier, what do YOU believe? Are you depending upon your Sabbath worship or your dietary laws or other rules to save you? If not, why are you an Adventist?

Please answer honestly and directly.

Anonymous said...

here is just one example of SDAs false works based salvation. its the same old "enduring to the end" for salvation false works "gospel"........James

Ellen white in the book Answers to Objections, by Francis D. Nichol (published by the Review and Herald Publishing Association, Washington, D.C.), page 402

'Those who accept the Saviour, however sincere their conversion, should never be taught to say or to feel that they are saved. This is misleading. Every one should be taught to cherish hope and faith; but even when we give ourselves to Christ and know that He accepts us, we are not beyond the reach of temptation ... Only he who endures the trial will receive the crown of life.

Anonymous said...

James I am utterly taken aback at your accusation of me saying the Word of God is in error. I believe God's Word is true and Holy Spirit breathed. I never said that one could take the mark and not lose one's salvation. That is a false accusation. Where in the world did you get that? Debra was the one who quoted John MacArthur, a false teacher, not me.

If one cannot confront another believer whom one thinks is in error in their attitude, then you are the one who does not believe the Bible. It is not wrong to rebuke as it is for the edification of others. It is wrong to overlook what is a comment that might hurt others. Are we so sensitive and defensive that we cannot be honest with one another? I thought the sister was cold in her attitude. That is not Christ-like. Why do you have a quarrel with that?

The Bible says for brethren to come and reason together. Exhortations are not always warm and fuzzy.

Soldier of Jah said...

At Jehoshua's second advent when He comes to call those in the graves forth when they hear the Son of God's voice and translate the living saints to glory, He will bring with Him rewards for the saints and prophets and destroy those who destroy the earth.

What are these rewards and punishments based on? Let's read scripture and see:

Revelation 11:16-19

Revelation 11:16-19 KJV
And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, [17] Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. [18] And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. [19] And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

The ark of the covenant is seen here in connection withthe rewards and punishments that the Son of God will bringwith Him at His second advent.

Paul was not a hypocrite, after the cross he kept the Sabbath and the feasts. How can the Sabbath and feasts be nailed to the cross when we actually keep them in heaven (Isaiah 66:22-23), we keep tabernacles,the new moons, sabbath of course, passover (at least once).

Jehoshua made it clear that not one jot and tittle is to be removed from the law until all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth haven't passed away yet. The Son of God didn't come to institute an anti law gospel. Even most of the reformers believed the 10 Commandments still applied to the Christian Congregation except they had a false sabbath day.

Soldier of Jah said...

Faith and Commandment keeping go hand in hand, true faith results in keeping the Father and Son's commandments. The true faith that overcometh the world isthe faith that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God. To be Christlike means we follow Him. Jesus kept the Sabbath. The Pharisees added man made traditions to the Sabbath when it was supposed to be a day of doing good to others and acts of mercy and healing. Those who honour Jehovah's Sabbath day are repairers of the breach. Read Isaiah 58 and see what Jehovah truly desires in our Sabbath keeping,mercy, undoing heavy burdens, loosing the bandsof wickedness, giving bread to the hungry, bringing the poor into thy house, clothing the naked. Faith that Jesus is the Son of God is the foundation of Christianity. Our love for Jesus and His Father put a desire in us to obey their commandments

1 John 5:1-5 KJV

Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. [2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. [4] For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. [5] Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

Soldier of Jah said...

Another end time prophecy. Verse 5 says it is the transgression of the law, the everlasting covenant,the statutes (set times) that bring about this judgment of Jehovah that He excutes through His Holy Son.

Isaiah Chapter 24

1Behold, Jehovah maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.2And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the creditor, so with the debtor; as with the taker of interest, so with the giver of interest to him.3The earth shall be utterly emptied, and utterly laid waste; for Jehovah hath spoken this word.4The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the lofty people of the earth do languish.5The earth also is polluted under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, violated the statutes, broken the everlasting covenant.6Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are found guilty: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.7The new wine mourneth, the vine languisheth, all the merry-hearted do sigh.8The mirth of tabrets ceaseth, the noise of them that rejoice endeth, the joy of the harp ceaseth.9They shall not drink wine with a song; strong drink shall be bitter to them that drink it.10The waste city is broken down; every house is shut up, that no man may come in.11There is a crying in the streets because of the wine; all joy is darkened, the mirth of the land is gone.12In the city is left desolation, and the gate is smitten with destruction.13For thus shall it be in the midst of the earth among the peoples, as the shaking of an olive-tree, as the gleanings when the vintage is done.14These shall lift up their voice, they shall shout; for the majesty of Jehovah they cry aloud from the sea.15Wherefore glorify ye Jehovah in the east, even the name of Jehovah, the God of Israel, in the isles of the sea.16From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs: Glory to the righteous. But I said, I pine away, I pine away, woe is me! the treacherous have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous have dealt very treacherously.17Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.18And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows on high are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.19The earth is utterly broken, the earth is rent asunder, the earth is shaken violently.20The earth shall stagger like a drunken man, and shall sway to and fro like a hammock; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it, and it shall fall, and not rise again.21And it shall come to pass in that day, that Jehovah will punish the host of the high ones on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.22And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison; and after many days shall they be visited.23Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed; for Jehovah of hosts will reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem; and before his elders shall be glory.

SJLC said...


Scott didn't mean SSN and so forth is the actual system of the beast, but this stuff is leading up to the final implementation -- preparing the masses to accept that type of control when the Man of Lawlessness does reveal himself as world leader.

Also note that Revelation prophecies will be powerful for testifying, to bring in some new believers just in time. Those who are believers now should be prepared for that opportunity!

Daniel 11

32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

Soldier of Jah said...

Jehoshua's first advent was not to destroy but save men. His second advent will be to save the living saints and destroy those who destroy the earth. In His first advent he didn't come as "fullers soap and refiners fire". This applies to His second advent. You have to read Malachi 4 in the context of Malachi 3.

Malachi Chapter 3

1Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant, whom ye desire, behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts.2But who can abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner`s fire, and like fuller`s soap:3and he will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi, and refine them as gold and silver; and they shall offer unto Jehovah offerings in righteousness.4Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto Jehovah, as in the days of old, and as in ancient years.5And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against the false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the sojourner [from his right], and fear not me, saith Jehovah of hosts.6For I, Jehovah, change not; therefore ye, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.7From the days of your fathers ye have turned aside from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith Jehovah of hosts. But ye say, Wherein shall we return?8Will a man rob God? yet ye rob me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.9Ye are cursed with the curse; for ye rob me, even this whole nation.10Bring ye the whole tithe into the store-house, that there may be food in my house, and prove me now herewith, saith Jehovah of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough [to receive it].11And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast its fruit before the time in the field, saith Jehovah of hosts.12And all nations shall call you happy; for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith Jehovah of hosts.13Your words have been stout against me, saith Jehovah. Yet ye say, What have we spoken against thee?14Ye have said, It is vain to serve God; and what profit is it that we have kept his charge, and that we have walked mournfully before Jehovah of hosts?15And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are built up; yea, they tempt God, and escape.16Then they that feared Jehovah spake one with another; and Jehovah hearkened, and heard, and a book of remembrance was written before him, for them that feared Jehovah, and that thought upon his name.17And they shall be mine, saith Jehovah of hosts, [even] mine own possession, in the day that I make; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.18Then shall ye return and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

Soldier of Jah said...

The restitution of all things must take place before the Son of God returns. Restitution rendered in the greek "apokatastasis" meaning a reconstitution of pure worship. More Christians than ever are keeping the Seventh-day Sabbath and coming together to enjoy Jehovah's real holy days.

Acts 3:19-21

19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Anonymous said...

It's not Jehovah, it's Jesus Christ. And this "restitution" is a change back to OT style worship where a physical temple is needed along with a priest class? Always be aware of those who attempt to "go back to the Greek" in an attempt to justify their doctrine because, it cannot be found in any English bible....James

Anonymous said...

Anon. Please go back and read your comment. You called a believer, someone actually DOING the works that God commands a "cold fish" for believing what the scriptures clearly say, and that is those who take the mark are damned. Try and explain it away all you like. Please continue to place blame on others for YOUR comment. I will leave it at that....James

Anonymous said...

Soldier. No. "Faith and commandments" do NOT go hand in hand. Believers follow Gods commandments because they are told to, not because it has any part to play in salvation. You are a false prophet and you are NOT saved. Salvation is by faith alone. Abraham was saved by faith BEFORE God gave Moses the commandments

Romans 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.

19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:

20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Anonymous said...

Soldier. Please read Romans 3 where Paul clearly says "by the deeds of the law shall NO flesh be justified". Before you, like all SDA claim that the commandments are not part of the law, read Romans 7:7 that I have posted where Paul clearly calls the commandments part of the law. You are relying on your own "righteousness" instead of the imputed righteousness of Christ that comes only by faith on Jesus Christ. I know that no "jot or tittle" has been removed from the law until all be fulfilled, but the law has never saved. Salvation has always been by faith on Jesus Christ. He is the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world". People were saved before his death, burial, and resurrection by putting their faith on Gods promise of the coming redeemer that was first promised in Genesis 3:15. How do you think Abraham was saved before the law was even given? Please read the scriptures and get out of that false SDA cult that Hebrews 1 completely and utterly destroys.......James.........Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead

Anonymous said...

James' comment at January 6th 7:26 p.m.

Here is what Debra's initial comment was to which I used the term "cold fish".

Debra said...
Anon, regarding a sick child

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Anyone who would give such a callous response is indeed a cold person. She may be quoting Scripture, but it is often misquoted. Jesus does not want us to hate our family. But if it should come to a choice between our loved ones and denying Him, of course we have to put Him first.

But to coldly quote the verse so cut and dried and not acknowledge that it would be a difficult thing to do if your loved one was being used as a pawn to try and undermine one's loyalty to Jesus Christ. One would have to have a heart of stone not to anguish at the torture of a child or loved one even if they told him/her to not let that influence them. Such an action would be heart-wrenching and anyone who can't see that is cold and callous.

That is all I was saying. But I get a sense that neither you or Debra have an ounce of compassion. You sound like it would be just matter-of-fact if you were ever faced with such a decision. Yes, we all must count the cost of following our Lord. But the situation we are talking about is extreme and would be very difficult.

I suggested that brethren are to reason together, but instead you choose to throw darts and not even answer my honest questions. I, too will leave it at that as it is clear that no further discussion will bear any fruit.

Soldier of Jah said...

Romans 3:31 (KJV)

31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

The word "establish" in the greek means the same as the word "stand" does in the hebrew.  Remember,  this is the new testament. It was never Paul's intent to do away with the law or to minimize the importance of keeping it.

Acts 25:7-8 (KJV)

7And when he was come, the Jews which came down from Jerusalem stood round about, and laid many and grievous complaints against Paul, which they could not prove.8While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all.

Contrary to the Pastor's of Christendom,  Paul did not teach against the law of Jehovah. What he taught against was keeping the law as a means of salvation and also the need to keep the man made requirements of the law that were added by the religious leaders of the Jews (traditions of man).

 Acts 24:14 (KJV)

14But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Paul destroys the false teaching from Christendom that he taught against the law and/or the doing away with it. These false shepherds will answer to Jehovah for their false witness against Paul.

The change in the law was in regard to the sacrifical system and preisthood as well as the rite of circumcision.

Anonymous said...

Anon. It's very obvious your "compassion" is contrary to scripture. When it says if one takes the mark they will be damned, it defiantly means it. It is YOU who are questioning scripture and attempting to play on the emotions of others. Do as you please. If you feel by you taking it, it will some how save others. Go for it. I defiantly believe a true believer would never take it, just as true believers in the past refused to bow to romes wafer gods. Congratulations on having more "compassion" and being a better "Christian" than the rest of us......James

Anonymous said...

Soldier. Correct. We establish the law. Paul said the law is written in the heart of the believer, which is true. I never once said that following Gods commandments was wrong, but merely said it does not save. It is YOU who said salvation comes via "faith and commandments". I merely said there is no "and" when it comes to salvation, only faith on Jesus Christ, which the scriptures lay out over and over. You teach a mixture of faith and works just like Rome does. The difference is they mix faith with deeds, and you commandments. If the commandments saved, then Jesus Christ died in vain. There would be no need for him to manifest in the flesh and dwell amongst us, only to be crucified after he suffered in the griefs of this world. What I'm saying is salvation is by grace through faith without the deeds of the law that Paul said almost word for word. If one had to follow the commandments to be saved (even if it's mixed with faith), then what is the limit of transgressions? Is there a balance that determines, if your following out weighs your transgression? That's not Christianity. There is no mention anywhere in the bible about a transgression limit, so if you are right, then how do we know? God is not the author of confusion. That means Saul, Samson, David, Solomon, along with many other biblical figures are in hell if your gospel is right. you are posting scripture that has nothing to do with your claims. Not one of them claims that salvation is a mixture of faith and the deeds of the law.

Anonymous said...

James, at January 8 6:39 p.m.

Your comment should not be dignified with an answer, but I am compelled to address your false accusation.

I never at any time said that a Christian could take the mark and not be damned.
Get that? I NEVER said that!

I don't think I am any better than anyone else, Christian or non-Christian. Another false accusation.

Compassion is God-given. God is a just God but He is a compassionate God. Where is your compassion James? I would obey my Lord and not deny Him if it ever would come to that, but if one of my family was used as a pawn it would hurt my heart and be difficult as I made the choice to honor God. And if you say it would not cause you grief you are either cold and callous or speaking falsely. You make it sound like it would be a choice without any anguish or heartache. Even the martyrs of the faith must have felt something as they went to their deaths despite the fact that they made the choice to honor their Lord and count the cost.

Again to make it perfectly clear, I never said that a Christian could take the mark and not be damned.

However, I have raised the question that no one seems to want to address that if a Christian's sins are forgiven past, present and future, then how does that compute with taking the mark? By simply raising the question that no one will address, I am falsely accused.

You have falsely accused me and I forgive you. But I have nothing further to say to you since I have made myself clear.

Anonymous said...

Anon January 8 6:55 p.m.

Excellent answer. I hope that Soldier takes it in. You are so right he is mixing faith and works. Works come AFTER we are saved. He is sincere but sincerely wrong.
May the Lord speak to his heart and read the book of Galatians in which Paul makes the distinction between law and grace and faith and works. When an SDA finally grasps this we have seen the tears of joy come. It is a precious truth.

It is not a license to sin, but freedom from bondage. -Selma-

Bible Believer said...

I am glad that some are addressing Soilder on the false SDA gospel. I have warned about SDA, it's false Millerite roots and more. I have lived in an SDA area in my past, the people are in a false system and the church is gloried. It is a false religion. If you think being a TRAD SDA will save you like being a TRAD Catholic it won't.

I agree with James, I have seen people quibble and say it is cruel for people to say taking the mark sends one to hell. It is what scripture SAYS and you either believe it or you don't. Many will be taking the mark one day listening to the quibblers thinking it's not that serious and then they will become products to men who have bought and sold their souls and now own their souls.

Anonymous said...

"No one seems to be able to answer this hypothetical question: What if a Christian takes the mark to save their sick child for instance or a family member from being tortured? Christians have weak moments and fall into temptation"

here is the answer to your question. revelation 14:9 states that before you can receive the mark, you first have to worship the beast and his image. The beast wants to make sure you are worthy to take his mark. so you confess satan as your lord and savior. then you will bow down and worship his image, just as pagans bow down to worship their idols. After doing this, you can now receive the mark of the beast. revelation 14:10 says you can never be saved again. you are now under the curse of the strong delusion as said in 2 thess 2:11, and a lie will always be right in your eyes. the good news is that your child will receive the health care that they need. the bad news is that the child will be forever thankful to the beast system for saving their lives. so what is the remedy? in matthew 26:41, Jesus said "watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak." Christians cannot assume that they will never take the mark of the beast. if that was so, then jesus would have never stated this. luke 21:36 says "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

wisdom is to heed Christ warnings.

Unknown said...

"Crazy Christian" indeed...it would be a graven image problem if it were being worshipped. Do you have nothing else to do? No gospel to spread? No mission to involve yourself in? You people are too busy finding hidden messages of the occult on cereal boxes and dogging C. S. Lewis as an occultist. Pull your heads out! It will come to your door and you won't even recognize it because you're too busy with crap like this. ~Darchangel

Soldier of Jah said...

True faith produces obedience to Jehovah

Hebrews 11:8-11 (KJV)

8By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.9By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:10For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God

Anonymous said...

Anon at 4:14 a.m.

Thank you for addressing the question.

However, the reason for taking the mark is so that one can get food or the necessities of life to buy and sell. Not taking the mark is a death sentence.
If every Christian refused the mark and is executed, there will be no Christians left - that would be wholesale slaughter of the Church on this earth. There would be no one left when Christ returns.

Honestly, I believe the only Christians that will be on the earth at that time will be newly born Christians and that the Church will collectively be taken out for Christ to protect His Bride as Noah and his family were taken out from the flood. That is not the view of BB and posters here I realize, but that is the conclusion I have come to after studying the Word of God independently of any men. Those killed during the Tribulation will be "tribulation saints" and will be taken to heaven to be with Christ.

Since I don't share the views of this site I will not belabor the point as I do not wish to be contentious. That would be wrong. It is up to the Lord to change minds, not me. I have appreciated so much of what is on the site, the information, but I do not want to be dishonest or misleading.

Anonymous said...

"Darchangel" The solution is simple, just don't read it. and yes CS Lewis was an occultist. He was part of the "golden dawn" and was a theosophist. Also I haven't read anyone mention any "cereal boxes" here, so that would be something that has obviously crossed YOUR mind. It would help to know a little of what you're attempting to talk about. Nice name!!!!.....James

Scott Wasinski said...

Anon 7:42 You are WAY far from the written Word of God. I pray that nobody hearkens to your heresy. Nowhere does it say that anyone that "worships the in=mage of the beast" is going to "confess that satan is their lord and savior, nor does it say "bow down." There is a grave warning in the back side of Revelations

Revelation 22:18&19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

That is serious. Only the word "worship" is associated with the "image of the beast" and the word "worship" literally means to willfully submit your life to; to be in subjection to.

The image of the beast is not Satan. The image of the beast looks more like a computer monitor or a cell phone (which is what people are currently using as personal identifiers)They carry all your passwords and personal information and everything about you, your entire identity is associated with this system.

Bible Believer said...

Darch [dark] angel loves CS Lewis? Interesting. Thanks for responding James

Anon at 10:59, Jesus said something about "lest no flesh be saved" hope I am remembering the verse right, so I do think it will get very bad. I won't separate on eschological timings but believe it will get really bad.

Anonymous said...

This is from the websters 1828 dictionary which came out some 30 years after the revised KJV that we read today......James ...............WORSHIP, n. [See Worth.]

1. Excellence of character; dignity; worth; worthiness.

--Elfin born of noble state, and muckle worship in his native land.

In this sense, the word is nearly or quite obsolete; but hence,

2. A title of honor, used in addresses to certain magistrates and other of respectable character.

My father desires your worships company.

3. A term of ironical respect.

4. Chiefly and eminently, the act of paying divine honors to the Supreme Being; or the reverence and homage paid to him in religious exercises, consisting in adoration, confession, prayer, thanksgiving and the like.

The worship of God is an eminent part of religion.

Prayer is a chief part of religious worship.

5. The homage paid to idols or false gods by pagans; as the worship or Isis.

6. Honor; respect; civil deference.

Then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee. Luke 14

7. Idolatry of lovers; obsequious or submissive respect.


1. To adore; to pay divine honors to; to reverence with supreme respect and veneration.

Thou shalt worship no other God. Exo 34.

2. To respect; to honor; to treat with civil reverence.

Nor worshipd with a waxen epitaph.

3. To honor with extravagant love and extreme submission; as a lover.

With bended knees I daily worship her.


1. To perform acts of adoration.

2. To perform religious service.

Our fathers worshiped in this mountain. John 4.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for standing your ground James. C.S. Lewis is the poster boy for many a so called Christian church. When issues become contentious in the 501. c.3, C.S. Lewis quotes become the defense mechanism for apostate Christianity.

Try and defend the Holy Scriptures with a proud young elder at a charismatic/Pentecostal church, and you will find yourself on the battlefield, Jesus' Word against C.S. Lewis! And you are right, C.S. was a theosophist and an occultist, and NOT a born again believer in Christ Jesus.

When will that pastor man in church give a sermon on C.S. teachings verses the Bible? Probably never.