Saturday, November 12, 2016

Religious Right Christians Who Disdain the Poor


{I had someone comment basically "aw quit yer complaining", so I took this article down fearing I may be seen as complaining though my main idea was try to get people to see how America has arrived at this point. My husband had read this article--he reads all of them, and he told me later, he wanted me to put it back up. For years I have warned the religious right's disdain for the poor would worsen and would come to a bad point and it has. Trump is the outcome of what they have taught in the churches for decades. Anyhow astro-turfers, I am sick of your "god" of coldness and no emotions whose followers always makes excuses for evil.}

The poor need prayers for their oppression. Sadly the religious right, is for oppression. Many of the churches have joined with the oppressors and corrupt political system.

With these Trump protests online I have seen a lot of  people who are scared. Facebook is like one fear fest right now.   America is one of the most fearful countries on earth.

Maye this is what happens in the land of no love, empathy and the pressure to always measure up.  You are also seeing the rage of a people once prosperous who have seen their fortunes fallen.  The disabled and poor people are afraid too.  I am a disabled person and my husband has been sick, we live on the economic edge as I have admitted.  Some time has been spent soothing long distant friends in the same boat. They are posting out of fear of the future. Many of the Trump people who include the church people I talk about here, are calling them "big babies". I doubt that will get the peaceful outcomes people would rather have when one side screams at the other, "You got what you deserved.". 

Right and left are at each other's throats on Facebook. With me personally, everyone who couldn't handle the both sides are evil message, already ditched me as a "friend". I'm avoiding political discussions in the real world. I had some people express alarm to me that Hillary did not win. I nodded and smiled.  The harsh lines are being drawn. Poor on the left, "Christians" on the right. What if you are poor and Christian? 

Seeing people write things like "I have no hope for life anymore" has been sad and dismaying. The years of economic oppression and sadness have taken their toll on many Americans. Protests are rooted in human suffering and pain. Much of the church system has failed us.  People barely have been able to get medical needs met. If not for a local free clinic, my own husband would not have medical care.

Society is cracking up at the seams. Other poor people are frightened too. I believe many of them have reason to be. Economic oppression has worsened in America. Our rent is almost half of our income. The other week, we had my husband pursued for parking tickets that are 20 years old. While Christians can pray about such things there is a reason the bible warns about the "wearing out of the saints". The crushing never ends.  We don't even think the tickets are legitimate. This is life for many in America.  More people are becoming homeless and hopeless.  The ones without God, the situation is even worse for them.

 I do believe one can be poor and happy but now in America, the oppression never lets up.  You aren't allowed to be poor and happy. They want to punish you at every turn.  Life becomes a series of emergencies and shame. Ever wonder why poor people and others who fear losing their status are always so afraid in America? 

It seems the rest of the world is growing worse too. I always had the inkling the new world order was going to strip down the social ties elsewhere as well. Maybe some in the third world who have computer access can give us a report. One man from Brazil told me things are worsening there. The elite enslaving America, have already oppressed the third world for a long time. How many died in Bush's wars? You never saw any Christians but a few speak out for them.

In American society, they never leave you alone. They always tell you that you are not enough. They always have expectations you cannot meet. If you wonder why America is full of rage and the stewpot is bubbling over, think about a people who have been taught to covet via a consumerist society that shows endless things they can't afford on the television screen and who have been told the entire meaning of life is to strive and succeed.  MOST OF THE CHURCHES SUPPORT THESE SAME CULTURAL MANDATES. Why do you think Rick Warren sold so well, have a purpose, have SUCCESS! That's what my BEST LIFE warnings were about.

The latter is why they worship success like a god and why we always get billionaires and silver spooners voted into office.

For the regular person though what happens if the success never comes too? What happens if one price of poverty is that you end up very much alone and isolated? One can end up being alone from just being a real Christian but often this happens to people who are poor as well, or even who fit both categories.

Many poor people are very alone. Other cultures have more family cohesion but perhaps that is even ending for them. I don't know how other nations are but I get the feeling some people in other parts of the world still know how to enjoy life a bit though certainly worse oppressions have happened to them.  Americans have forgotten how to enjoy life. You are also seeing the rage of a nation where many who were once prosperous have fallen down the ladder.  With few things outside the baubles of the consumerist society which are taken away on a whim, American's don't have much community or other ideals to bolster them up.   Unless you are a certain status in America, it's like you are not even a person. The inner cities at least admit the system is broken but their suffering has grown greater.

 For poor American people who "fail", We live kind of a shadow existence. Often our families have put us down for not succeeding.  My family is mid-level connected and mostly all make 6 figures. They live in a whole other world. I bet people in other countries think this place has gone mad. People here are still eating after all. The right left false dance continues. "Hillary could have saved us!" [Can I throw up now?]

Many poor people are cut off while others are treated so badly and with no respect that they must part ways. Still others have massive spiritual divisions. Division has already come to some. By the way, I do have a bachelors degree in art education and also studied for a paralegal certificate before I was disabled, so when I say "fail", I mean not make money, and not achieve a certain standard of living.

It took me time to figure out how the world really worked but when I did, it opened my eyes. I've paid an actual price for going against the family religion and "values". I came out of a wicked family whom I believe are connected, however they aren't 1 percenters.  Matt 10:35 happened for me pretty quick. They all definitely sold out for the money and the wealth along the way that was attained.

 Take the numbers of Generation Xers and millennials, who are getting the same messages from successful  wicked parents, culture and family and ask yourself how the sins of many are adding up the days of rage?  How many sins of strife, envy, and lording over others has occurred? There's little love in a system where its all about competition. With this history my patience with right wingers who disdain the poor is even less.  They helped get this show on the road as well as any "god-less" liberals.

I'm a rare poor person with computer hook-up. This computer was bought for me. I've been poorer where even today would be the candy days compared to my past where I dug for food in the trash, lived in boarding houses and slept on an old mattress out of the trash. With my severe health problems, my life was not the American norm.

If the system collapses, I would not survive outside God's direct intervention. I'm old, I guess I am surprised I have lived this long.  I've been through so much already. However even I feel some worry that has been given over in prayer.  One medicine I take for my lungs, monthly costs more then most people's rent.

 I have had to go to food pantries and other churches before for charity in the community. There's one mainstream baptist church but the others are mostly Lutheran and other mainliners. The evangelical or IFB churches don't seem to offer as much help for the poor. Maybe this is one aspect of the community I live, in but it makes me wonder.  The Republicans have beat the idea into their head so often that the poor deserve their circumstances, they ignore what the Bible says.

I have noticed the more conservative a church is politically, the less they help the poor [especially poor Americans]. In the IFB, I attended for about a year and left, while they offered a few people help if they asked directly, they had absolutely no help for the poor in that church outside of a little money sent to missions.  None of them were going down to the soup kitchen like the Lutherans. Poor people didn't exist inside the church or outside of it.  This applied to many churches I visited.  It was mind boggling and that was the place that praised war and the pastor constantly repeated, "Those who don't work don't eat".

While my husband worked hard at home, he could see the jaundiced eyes at his more humble dress, and prying questions about why he didn't work a "regular job". They have no understanding that now if you get health problems but aren't quite disabled, and reach a certain age, that the job market closes you out.  Someone who can't stand for more then 10 minutes isn't able to get many menial jobs. He makes the same at home as he would at one of those.

Even that one wealthier evangelical church I went to a Bible study at, focused far more it seems on helping the globe then any poor people in America as they live in wealth. There wasn't one non-middle class and above person there. The attitudes against poor people frightened me.  Many humble bragged and spoke of people "needing to get their lives together". I have seen such type of Christians go on about the poor saying things like "Why don't they just get a job and stop being lazy?"  If they treat me this way, I'm kind of scared for the third worlders they say they want to help.

Some of their relatives were poor and "embarrassments" to them. They talked about them like my family spoke of me. One woman went on about a sister or daughter who was "not living right". I didn't hear any talk of sin, drugs or crimes just poverty. I had the thought that this was often in the hands of others denying them good jobs. One woman bragged about having foster care children and adopting them. Maybe I am a cynic knowing if you have a big enough house that passes CPS approval, that's 800-1000 bucks a month per child. Another one, bragged about her three years in Honduras. I didn't relate to any of them.

  For years I have written against the religious right wing's hatred and disdain for the poor on this blog: 

  Worldly Attitudes Against the Poor

  What Being Poor in Church is Really Like

  Add This to the Right Wing's Hatred of the Poor

  Do What Jesus Said About The Poor: Not the Religious Right

  Poverty in America With Churches Even More Out of Touch

 Preachers Blaming the Poor for Debt

  Liberation Theology: Exploiting the Poor for Globalism

  The Failing Economy and Trusting In God

  Mean Christians

  None of Them Will Tell Us the Truth About Poverty

  Oppressing the Poor for the Globalist Agenda

Having written about these things for years, things have grown worse. I was a lone voice in the wilderness especially on this issue.  I have yet to see it anywhere else. This blog parted from the norm on this one issue alone. No one else took up this cause unless they presented false leftist solutions as the answers.

Others who shouted the same thing always had the false answer that the Democratic party would save us all. Yeah right!  The economy has grown worse. Ten years of being poor and seeing fortunes evaporate and hope lost for THIS LIFE has taken a toll on me. I am still a human being with emotions. Some may ask me to be some stoic, but that's not me. Let the sociopaths and stoics, have their pod personalities and coldness that tells everyone to just "suck it up". I have noticed too many "Christians" with that mentality. They tell us things like God assigned us evil leaders and that even if we are poor, we need to never complain and shut our mouths about everything.  I know it, and I am just one of millions. 

Yes there are Christian churches that help the poor, I have been helped by them and Christians who do so. However I have realized with the last right wing push back and support of Trump when one hears sneering about the "free sh*t army* [sorry to put a curse word here, but that is what they call it]  it is tiring. 

It's the days of Bush all over again but upped a few notches.  Bad pennies always turn up in this world. The wheel goes round and round  until God puts a stop to it all.

The religious right has screwed over the country yet again. Not to say Hillary was a solution either, but the success in brainwashing the Christians of America has already brought suffering to us all and will bring more! This one promised populism and jobs but when he puts someone like Paul Ryan in to destroy the few security nets there for the poor, one can see where this is all going.

Many of us poor have wearied of being the scapegoats in right wing circles. The constant blame on the poor as being the reason everyone's taxes are so high and articles on how the millennials need to quit whining [most don't have jobs to form decent lives] you know something has gone very awry in this country.

 Outside the charitable churches, who mostly held theologies far more liberal then my own beliefs, I have felt years of "judgment" among religious right wing Christians, who saw their comfortable homes, and lives as being "blessings" they all deserved.  The poor will get judgment if they smile too much or if they decide to be poor and happy--and told they are "not trying hard enough" or that they are "not responsible" enough. On the other side, if they complain, they will be told they have not trusted in the salvation of God, and that they are lusting for the riches of this world and are in sin. The poor can't win trust me on that one.  Church becomes for many poor, a place where you hid your true socioeconomic class or a place where you become an object of pity.  One often is put under "correction" even if far into adulthood or their morality is questioned.  The evil teachings of Calvinism affect the view of the poor in America, that would take it's own post and article to explain.

Often I come here and pour things out of my heart and I get the "rigid" queens of holiness and righteousness always browbeating me. That gets tiring. They think they are perfect. One thing I have notice is they never admit one emotion. Their lives are always in perfect order.  They always seem to tell anyone with any feelings or emotions to shut up. 

We have a nation of economically oppressed people, and well they are upset, some are scared and some are just sick of it all.  Sadly many go running right to the false answer that the leftists will save them even after 8 years under a liberal president where fortunes have fallen. Some voted for Trump just to get ANY change at all. I heard some even say "Let the apocalypse come". The churches in joining with the powerful have become ALLIES to these oppressions, and no I do not mean this in the leftist way, I mean this as a FACT.

In shock, I found myself telling someone, I avoid church ladies because so many are two-faced and I sat back and thought,"I don't want the white picket fence brigade beating up on me anymore, I got enough of that from my family." Yes, I question myself on these thoughts, much of what I went through was painful. I'll be honest and admit, it's one reason I won't be returning to church too. If you come to this blog and start that stuff, I will be more liberal now in erasing your posts. Why put up with it. I still wonder how many fakes come here just to harass?

Where has compassion and empathy gone? I see now the same Republican push-back, where they want to shove the disabled, and poor into far worse poverty yet again. Obama was not exactly helping either, continuing Bush's programs and expensive Obamacare but now the gloves will be off on the poor once again. One of my old IFB church members posted this:


 

It's nice your husband has a great job, to even pay taxes but those who cheer for oppression and everything being expensive, don't realize how they have been fooled?

 Hmm how many "free" bennies do the elite get?

  And if people have no jobs, to pay their bills? 

Why is the religious right answer then, go to the gutter , "we don't want to hear about it"?  I actually have been seriously told to my face by several Christians, social security should be done away with, as well as Medicare and all welfare. Yes I know there are limits on government programs. They scream 'socialism" and then provide NO OTHER OPTIONS for the poor. I am sick of it.

There's a reason the country is going into protest.

Selfishness and sin on both sides, has produced this. Greed fueled it. A society pushing nothing but STRIVING and COMPETITION did it too and the failed religious right church system that basically told the poor, "Suck it up, You're to blame, you're a loser and a failure for not having a good job!", did it as well.

As far as being poor,  I am used to frugal living, cooking beans, and sitting in the park for recreation, it was all the other nonsense, the judgment, the ostracization,  the meanness, the constant drum beat of "you need to fix this" while handed no tools and seeing a husband thrown away due to health problems and age from the job market. I know the prices I paid in this world for not selling out. I got the biggest prize in salvation. This however does not mean I will be someone who will help in the oppression of the poor as more and more false "Christians" decide to line up and willfully bow to evil and tell us we should too.

 I've gotten a little tired of it all.

In my case, I'll pray and not go riot in the streets, but the rest of the country may not make the same decision. 

They are a bit worn out and I see these religious right "Christians" as being a MAJOR PART of the problem.  We've had decades of anti-poor rhetoric in the churches, the focus on success or else and now you are seeing the outcome of it all.

55 comments:

liz said...

I don't go to church myself because many of them have been infiltrated. I was sad reading this post and I can see that US is in turmoil right now - Trump connected with all these desperate people whether he can fulfil his promises remains to be seen, I hope you feel better for sharing this stuff - I think you should be trusting God more - yes your situation is dire , people are awful but you have to put a good face on it and trust Him - the more you trust Him the better your life will be - can you do that - when you are having a really bad day spend it with Jesus be with Him and let Him guide you - all those people who have dismissed your need will be paid back by God one day so don't feel bitter just leave it to God

Anonymous said...

Aren't they getting a free gift of" Salvation". But they want to deny others any free gifts .Isn't "Salvation" the most precious gift. They should not care if others get free gifts that are in this world. It shows they are more attached to this world than to Jesus. Most people have paid something into social security. What I find hilarious is the people who think that if we did away with all these programs people would just help others freely, or people would create jobs for themselves. Hello, do they even know history. Have they ever read any Charles Dickens..Aren't they the ones who say people are basically sinful. Wouldn't that say most people would side with their more selfish natures and not help the poor. Don't they say governments are instituted by God. Doesn't that make social security and welfare instituted by God. But I fear the left is also hypocritical, and may not really care about the poor that much either. Yet you are right that liberal churches do seem to care more about taking care of the poor. So, maybe the left does care about the poor more.
It is getting scary out there. But, I don't like lawlessness. Demonstrations O.K. But violence or threats really bother me.

Bible Believer said...

Liz, I am tired, it may show. My husband has been sick lately, and he is my caretaker. He has been able to still get things done but I worry about him. Please pray. The USA may be in some major turmoil, maybe things will calm down. At least it's winter, that may freeze some people into going home. Pence is definitely a theocratic Dominionist without much of a heart for the poor. Well as I discussed with one friend, it's let go and let God time. Thanks for admitting people are awful, LOL Yes I need to trust in God as much as possible Many people are in that position.

I hope poor people like me realize it's not them and are not disheartened and broken down. The system was made this way, and is wicked. I still have a roof over my head and food, I don't take either for granted. So will thank God in the day. Watching what is happening is hard. I also decided to stay away from people who preach the Republicanism and disdain for the poor. With a few I tried to say something but it is not going anywhere. I don't want to argue with people and said my piece.

I posted about this issue for many years. I know some of these posts are like shouting into the wind. Seeing "Christians" rail about the liberals and the free **** army, was kind of disheartening. I don't want to see people beating each other up. Well I can only deal with myself as they all go at it.

Bible Believer said...

I agree salvation is a free gift. If I am trying to defend the poor and bring my circumstances into it, why say I do not trust in my own salvation.

I agree it shows more attachment to this world. Its true most people paid into Social Security. Its not a perfect system but there's no way churches are going to provide thousands of dollars for medicine and living expenses for the disabled. What's going to happen when free clinics, homeless shelters and other places go under because of cuts to funding? They've already cut welfare to near nothing with term limits on it.

That's the thing I notice they shout for these things to be done away with but have no options for the poor and disabled. So yes it is hilarious. Yes they ignore history and what Charles Dickens warned of. Hey all we have to do now is even look at what happens to the ill and very poor in other countries, they die. You are right they contradict themselves saying people are sinful and would not help the poor and then gives us the Romans 13 line but want to do away with everything "good" the government does. Funny how bail-outs to bankers and money for war or endless prisons [the usa incarcerates the highest number of people by far] is never questioned. The left is hypocritical too.

All these outraged poor people [millennials and others]had their fortunes worsen under the last Leftist president. Some of the protesters want another liberal fearing more oppressions under a Republican but both parties have steer the boat the same way.

Yes why does the left care about the poor more [in America?} I know there is hypocrisy, lies and exploitation there. Doesn't that say something that the more liberal churches do more help for the poor? I feel more comfortable around some of the liberal Christians, even though I do not share their theologies, some actually talk to me like a human being. There's not so much "judgy" stuff. Doesn't that say something about Christianity as a whole? LOL someone called me a "universalist" still for saying God wasn't running the Satanic Illuminati show. Am I a "bleeding heart" to think the poor should be treated better? Why are the liberal churches doing a better job in that world?

I don't fit into the world of the "conservative" right wing churches. My beliefs have not changed, but since I left the IFB, I have thought about more of these things. I was trying to pound a round peg into a square authoritarian right wing hole.

I agree about the lawlessness. It's a serious problem. People are fighting like never before. It's uncomfortable. My town is small enough no protests have hit here, but I wonder if this stuff will grow myself. People have the right to protest in America but it should be kept peaceful. Politics leads to so much strife.

With the poverty, I am learning to stay away from those who are cruel to the poor, I do not regret speaking out against the right wing and right wing's treatment of the poor. I believe it helped bring us to what is happening now.

Cindie Cakes said...

Dear BB, I am so sorry to read about your troubles. I will pray for both you and your husband.

I absolutely agree with you about the Religious Right. Sadly, these people are hypocrites.
Whenever I see someone repeating Trump's slogan "Make America Great Again", I want to ask them, just when was America great?
When it was created in rebellion by Freemasons?
When it committed genocide against the indigenous peoples, and stole their land?
When it kidnapped Africans and forced them into slavery?
When it takes food stamps away from hungry families, while spending trillions on death-dealing armaments?
Acts like these inure and harden the soul. It's apparent that the idea of American Exceptionalism has bred contempt for others. Since there was very little respect of life in the past from the so-called Christians of this nation, it is of no surprise that this same mindset trickles down to the poor. If this nation is callous to the most helpless among us - the young, the poor, the disabled, the old, the disadvantaged - it sends a message six ways from Sunday that this nation is ungodly. This is why "the Left" doesn't take the Religious Right seriously; because of its un-Christian witness.

I cam empathize with you, BB. Our lives are very similar. I have always been sickly. When my husband was working two jobs before he became ill, we had to pay extra in taxes every year. We never complained, because we knew that some of that money would go to welfare to take care of the indigent, and there but for the grace of God, it could be us.

And then one day it was us.

Since we were only living on hubby's SSD, there were many times we also had just rice and beans, could only afford public housing to live in (thank the Lord for both of these programs), often had to scrimp and save in order to pay Medicare's 20% so that my husband's wheelchair could be fixed (several times a year), couldn't find or afford a dentist to work on my husband teeth because he used oxygen, and only when he developed an abscess did the hospital clinic decide to take him, necessitating a stay in the ICU and a bill for $22,000...I could go on.
Even my uncle's new wife started to tilt her nose towards the stars when she and my uncle came to visit, and my Mom and I had to remind her that this is why we pay taxes, so that anyone who needed public housing could avail themselves of it, and if anyone deserved to live in public housing it was my husband who worked 21 years before he became terminally ill. As you might guess, she is one of those people who worships wealth and appearance.

And yet, there are those who resent us having even this.

I wonder, if these so-called "Christians" would have even begrudged the Lord the gleanings of the field if they were around when our Creator walked the earth. Would they have told Him "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps"? Well, that's what they are doing when they tell the poor, "Those who don't work don't eat".

It will get worse. I would be a liar if I said that I wasn't affected by all of this. But as you said, the biggest prize is salvation. My most precious treasure - it took me so long to get it. And while I rejoice that I have mine, I want share it with others. But I want to take of both body and soul. I have seen people pass out leaflets to the homeless extolling the love of Christ; meanwhile, that homeless person has no idea where their next meal is coming from. It seems strange to me when people want to save the soul, but not the tent (body) that the soul is housed in.

It's evil. And it's by design.

Once again, I will pray for you and your family.
You know, if you are willing to set up a PayPal account, I'm sure many of us would be happy to help out.

Bible Believer said...


One main reason I am disabled today is lack of medical care and misdiagnosis of a very rare condition and delayed diagnosis and treatment of several other conditions. So I understand your husband's 22,000 dollar hospital bill. Things go untreated and they worsen. This is the life many Americans are living now. I almost did not survive through the Medicare waiting period, thats one thing when you on on disability you wait two years, you probably know about that.

Its terrible your uncle's new wife treated you and your husband so badly. My husband worked in newspapers for 15 years, often working 14 hour days and your husband worked for 21 years, this is one thing I notice even those who worked hard, are cast aside by the wicked and treated snobbily. Public housing is there for people who need it, and it has a good purpose. Instead in these circles, we will hear screaming about the "socialists" and what is their answer for people in our boats as they strip everything clean away? Go die in the gutter?

I came out of a "connected" family. They only care about wealth and appearances. They aren't top tier, but some are getting up there. They worked in government jobs and had connections within the Catholic church. So I have seen the type. Sorry you had to deal with people like this too.

Yes they bregrudge us even the things we need to stay alive, like medicine, housing, food and even public transportation for those too poor to keep automobiles. Our car is old and I have to use the bus for the disabled at times. What kind of "Christians" are these? I dare say not at all. If someone can't drum up any compassion or empathy for the poor, there's a major problem.

It does make one wonder how Jesus would have been treated. In USA society at this time, someone with no place to lay His head would be judged. How are our homeless treated? Not very well. I heard the "bootstrap" comment too. Pull yourself up by them they tell people as they steal their very boots.

I am relieved to be out of that church. My husband would grimace, everytime that preacher railed against the poor, shaming every unemployed or in his case non-traditionally employed person. I am sure that pastor never had to put in 12-14 hour deadlines at newspapers at 4am in the morning. He did his one day a week gig, a few hospital visits, and maybe 2 hours of sermon writing and that was it.

I agree with you about salvation. Yes some are turned against the gospel when people preach "be born again" and do not help them. I think it is evil too, when they are left to suffer, and they are told here's a tract. I think it is by design too.

Thanks for your prayers.

Bible Believer said...

I agree with you too about the rosecolored glasses of the past too and the endless evils that are denied. They rewrite the past as glory days. Just like the Quiverfuls have their neo-Victorian myths, the Republicans have their 1950 myths, even though the households were full of men who had returned from the killing fields of Europe and post war prosperity was a blip on the map, another irony is that back in the 1950s, taxes for corporations were at a far higher rate and there were many social programs that todays Republicans would refuse like the GI Bill. Many think it was All LEave it to Beaver back then--a wealthy household even by the standards of the days but I know enough history to know that wasn't life for everyone. You are correct this nation has grown callous. The "left" sees the "right" as wicked and why should we be surprised. The "right" more and more teaches selfishness, callousness and coldness. All one has to do is watch the attitudes of the Religious Right where the call is to be callous and throw away the helpless of society. Jesus without a place to lay His Head would have faced their abuse and censure too. Thanks for your post. I will pray for you too.

Anonymous said...

Hi BB,

I am so sorry for your situation. But I want to encourage you through the WORD of God.

Psalm 12:1-8 in its entirety speaks to us thus: “Help, Lord; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men. They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak. The Lord shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things: Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us? For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the Lord; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him. The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.”

Verse 6 “The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.”

It is the WORD of God that does comfort us in these times of hardships. I am one of those who quoted 2 Timothy 2 praying for those in authority. This is for us believers to live in peace and quietness. It has been established in the WORD of God that the kings of the earth are against the Lord and his Son Jesus (Psalm 2:2 and Acts 4:26), how much more his followers and believers? I like our LORD’s prayer “deliver us from evil” (Matthew 6:13), we trust that it is God who will shield us from the spiritual wickedness in high places (Ephesians 6:12). And he will.

“Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.” James 1:27. I do not care if one is Catholic, Lutheran, IFB, Pentecostal. Religion has been defined in God’s WORD and unless believers are blind, we will not be judged because we belonged to a specific congregation, we will be judged on whether we lived our lives according the WORD of God and his precepts.

Continuing...

Anonymous said...

So back to the question of the poor. Those who are less fortunate than us. The WORD of God encourages us to take care of them regardless. “If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother: But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, in that which he wanteth….Thou shalt surely give him, and thine heart shall not be grieved when thou givest unto him: because that for this thing the Lord thy God shall bless thee in all thy works, and in all that thou puttest thine hand unto. For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.” Deuteronomy 15:7-11. The early church exercised this (Acts 2:45 and Acts 4:32). Unfortunately today, this has been turned on its head and for years we believers have been led to believe that riches equate God’s favor and blessings. Ref. Matthew 5.

Because there is greed and selfishness in the hearts of men, Christians are have been taught that if one is poor, then they are not hard working or are not actually Christians and, therefore, deserve what they get (or not). 2 Thessalonians 3:8 is quoted out of context for those who think that the people who do not work do not deserve a helping hand. If the whole chapter is read in its entirety one can understand that Paul was admonishing those who pretended to be Christians and were taking advantage of the brethren but were busy bodies, causing disorderliness in the body of Christ. He did NOT specifically mean that if one is not able to work, they shouldn’t eat. This quotation was translated in to government and people were expected to pay tax. Thus we have been conditioned to think that those who are not in position to pay tax are fleecing the rest of us who work hard and pay tax. This is not true at ALL.

I want to encourage you BB and everyone reading this that you cease not to do good. Obey the commandments of God (for that is our duty Ecclesiastes 12:13). This world, our leaders, our neighbors, church members, pastors…, friends and family shouldn’t put you in a position of guilt for being in this situation. Your situation can happen to anyone.

Also, much as we expect the politics of this country or the world to get better and policies towards the impoverished to improve, we shouldn’t hold our breath. There has been increased sin in the world and this has led people to be cold (Matthew 24:12) and it will get worse (2 Timothy 3:13) and we who believe in Christ shall suffer persecution (2 Timothy 3:12).

Christianity is not a comfortable option. It is about enduring hardships (Matthew 24:13), denying ourselves, taking up our cross and following Jesus (Luke 9:23). “Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer… be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.” (Revelation 2:10).

Look to the LORD from whence cometh thy help. (Psalm 121:2). God bless you and your loved ones.

The LORD is my Shepherd, I shall NOT want…

Anonymous said...

Both right and left offer their own favorite "Jesus" to follow, but I think the real Jesus is not too impressed with the followers of either; many appear to be Matthew 7:23 candidates.

On the other hand, He promised 100-fold payback for those of you who had to give things up for His sake in this life, and your payback time could be coming "soon", even by human standards.

"wars and rumours of wars" -- check
"famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes in diverse places" -- check
"many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many" -- topic of this blog, check
"because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold" -- topic of this post, check
"gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations" -- IMO due within years, rather than decades or centuries, because technology is accelerating the rate of mew gospel translations [1]

In the meantime I wish you had other overcomers to fellowship with in person. Surely that would make it easier to endure.

[1] http://www.wycliffe.net/statistics

liz said...

thank you for highlighting and bringing into focus the issue of the religious right in US and their un Christian ways
whenever I have seen US evangelists on TV they haven't impressed me as genuine and they all seem to want money - anyone who asks for money straight away makes me suspicious - Phil Collins wrote a song about them - we should keep going after them and exposing them on social media - have you ever been on Yahoo answers - it is quite a good place for discourse - the News&Events and Politics sections - I recommend you all check it out

having far right Christians represent Christians is it any wonder young people aren't interested in Jesus - it all looks so corrupt and uncool

I always say to anyone wondering about Jesus to speak to Him and build up a relationship with Him and God - church can come later if at all - it's about your personal relationship with God and Jesus first

let's keep exposing these so called Christians - who are most likely in cahoots with New World Order

Billy Graham is a freemason



Anonymous said...

I'm so sorry to hear of these things BB. Your story made me cry. I will pray for you my sister, just know your rewards in heaven will be great...... James

dreamzzzz said...

You and your husband are a strong team. Love and blessings in Jesus Christ, will be praying.

P.S: Here, we also have stopped going to the church and not looking for one now.. Thank God for bible believing christians online and on FB.

Anonymous said...

one time a woman in my church made a comment about how certain people would come into the food pantry and take only the name brand items..I could not believe what I was hearing..this was a woman who never had to work and lived in luxury by my standards...I thought...so why do you deserve to have name brand when you didn't earn a dime to pay for those luxury items in your home (her husband did) and yet the poor person (who probably is working) does not deserve to have name brand....that comment catapulted me to question the whole church system and want to leave that particular church. I went to another church and it seemed more down to earth but I could see how eventually, that church would turn into the same unpleasant system as the last one...I stopped going to church all together.

Anonymous said...

I am saddened to hear of certain churches who treat those in genuine need so poorly. But let's be fair. There are so many in this country who know how to work the system, spend their food stamps on luxuries and then go to the food kitchens. Many are on disability and are not truly disabled. Our country is full of people who are on entitlements. This does not mean that there are people who are truly entitled to help and are on assistance. But those women who continue to have babies with no fathers in the home and get assistance are prostituting the system. The Roman Catholics are well known for their humanitarianism to the poor for food, clothing and other needs such as medical. I know other Christians who don't broadcast it but give to the poor on an individual basis. Let's not paint with such a broad brush. I don't happen to know of any church that looks down on the poor, but instead they have food pantries and the people bring non-perishable food items to keep it stocked.

Olavo G said...

A couple of days ago, a man knocked on my door, very friendly guy, asking for donations. He said he had 2 disabled daughters, and was unemployed and looking for work, but things were difficult and he was asking around because he was far from home (he said he had come to my region for a job interview). Anyways, he was very polite and said that God would bless me even if I didnt help. So I got a few things from my pantry, and gave him, he was very pleased, I quoted to him psalm 37:5. It was clear that he was a God-fearing man. I gave him a couple of money to help with the bus fare and he went his way.
As soon as I got inside, the Spirit reminded me of Matthew 25:31-46
and I really cried at that time, I knew that I hadnt just helped a fellow brother, I had helped Christ. It was like I had just met the King of Kings in form of that humble man.
What an honor!

I also cried because this encounter reminded me of how evil the system is. This world really belongs to an evil prince, whereas, in the Kingdom of our Father, everything is free and everlasting. Sadly, churches have been rotted inside out now for many years, true sound doctrine isnt preached enough (if at all), and repentance and conviction of sin is almost taboo to even be mentioned.

I guess that in our hearts we cry Maranatha everyday even more, this world has an expiration date due any day now. Its sad that many "christians" have their hearts set to things of this world, I hope that all of them repent, meet Crist for real and get saved, because on that GLORIOUS day, when our Savior comes, in that split second, if we are not 100% His, and just for a second have any thoughts or worries about the things of this world, I worry that those will be put along the goats.

I'll pray for you and your husband,
and also for all our brothers and sisters throughout the globe, that we may be strenghthened in these final days.

In Christ,
Olavo

11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therein to be content. 12 I know how to be abased, and I know also how to abound: in everything and in all things have I learned the secret both to be filled and to be hungry, both to abound and to be in want. 13 I can do all things in him that strengtheneth me.

Scott Wasinski said...


God's will for His people is clearly laid out in the scriptures. 1 John 3:17 "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him."

James"Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter. Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you."

James "My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts? Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?"


The people that are rich in this world have pierced themselves with many sorrows and are taken by spiritual snares.

It really does make me shake my head when there are people that claim Jesus is their Lord, yet when they see a brother or sister that has real, genuine needs for the basics of life, they close their hands and turn the other way. They blaspheme His name and use it for their own benefit.

One thing I have learn to do and that is to trust in the Lord. Remember Lazarus Luke 16:19

All these things have come TO PASS;) Take courage in the Lord.

I'm not a robot (anymore;)

Scott Wasinski said...

I have this to say of the Lord. The church has refused to help the poor when they were able. God designed His way, so that HIS PEOPLE care for the poor of the land and God receives the praise of the poor or showing mercy through HIS PEOPLE! And God's people receive honor for their service unto the Lord.

But His people close their hands and stopped their ears to the cries of the poor. The Lord will see to it that the poor of the land are taken care of whether by hook or by crook. Since the church rejected God's command and refused to receive His love, God allowed wicked leaders to rise up and violently take their wealth by force and give it to the poor. So now instead of praising God for their provisions, they curse God and curse His greedy, self-righteous people. The land is full of violence and America truly deserves ALL that is to come upon this wicked and godless land.

It is just that the evanjellyfish (spineless) religious brainwashed hypocrites fully support a man like Donald Trump.

Here is an interesting mocking principle: Donald Trump declared "The election system is rigged"

Then he was elected. How is that for mocking the brainwashed sheople that follow a crook, but refuse to follow the Lord?

They still don't see it. Isaiah said it well and Jesus repeated the same words. "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them"

I'm glad I'm not a robot (anymore;)

Anonymous said...

We see people standing at intersections with their cardboard signs asking for money. I have observed many of them smoking cigarettes. If they can afford that they can afford food. Also, people have told me they have offered such people work but they refuse, only seeking money. We have to realize that there are dishonest people in this world who pretend to be poor. This hurts people like BB and others who are in genuine need. You won't find them out on the street corners begging.

I never give to those with cardboard signs on the corners. But one day I was coming out of a store and as I was getting into my car a woman approached me, and I discerned that she was honestly in need. I talked with her and prayed with her and questioned her and determined she was legitimate. I happened to have a $100 bill in my purse at the time so I handed it to her with the love of the Lord. She was quite taken aback and went her way rejoicing. Could she have been an angel unawares? Only God knows. But we have to use discernment and wisdom in these situations. I determined to the best of my ability that she was honest and if she was not, then God will honor my actions.

I also know of a mission located in a downtown area of a large city that is run by Christians who feed the homeless and hungry and give them the Word of God. Volunteers counsel and pray with the people and mingle with them. This is exactly what our Lord Jesus Christ would do. I am sure there are many such mission outreaches in our country that never get any government help and do their work through donations from believers.

Anonymous said...

Thank-you for your testimony Bible Believer, praying for you and your husband's health and your well being/sustenance from our LORD. There are many here that would love to help you in the area of funding in serving and honoring Jesus, but understand why you cannot give out too much information. I have seen on other ministry sites where individuals have posted their needs and people give as they are led to do by the Holy Spirit. Please let us know if you currently have or plan to create such a website. Many here really do love you and pray for you, a friend of Jesus, a precious child of God.

Prayers for you.

Anonymous said...

I saw an article today about an undercover investigation by a TV station in the San Fernando Valley. They followed some of the panhandlers who were stationed at various places with their cardboard sign sob stories. They followed one guy with kids who drove away in a late-model SUV. Another woman at one location claimed to be homeless and seeking work as a house cleaner. She got into a rental car and traveled to another location where they questioned her. She gave a different story from the previous location.

Come to find out this is being done across the country as professional panhandlers. There is no law against it, so they go on taking advantage of good-hearted people. After a while people get jaded when they see these things and lose empathy. This is no excuse for churches not to help legitimately poor people. But I have been told that churches are sometimes approached by people claiming to be in need to get money or groceries. This side of the equation needs to be brought out.

Anonymous said...

Anon nov 13 at 4:34 pm. In my area (not sure about elsewhere) these "Roman Catholic charities) only help other romanists, or those willing to convert. I wouldn't really call that true charity or "love". Love for themselves, maybe.....James

Anonymous said...

James, the RC charties that I know of do not discriminate according to religious affiliation or try to convert those who they help. Of course they are advertising for the RC church by their charity toward people and that you can't blame them for.
They do not even register the people who come in for meals as there are so many. I am not taking up for the RC church by any means, but their charitable work cannot be ignored.

In defense of other Christian groups who are not able to do this on such a large scale, it is in part because the other churches outside of the RC are so splintered and divided and cannot provide such levels of service. But it is interesting that you don't see the Mormons who are a huge group providing meals or clothing for the poor. Just for their own people.

There are smaller non-descript churches that do offer help, take food to the homeless, etc. but are just not known.

Bible Believer said...

Thank you for the encouragement through God's Word anon.

What matters is if someone is born again

It is true God Word speaks of helping the poor, some do of course but now riches themselves are worshipped and things did get turned on their head as people sought after personal prosperity.

The greed and selfishness is what has led to the condemnation of the poor. Even here Calvinism enters in, as Calvinism definitely advanced the idea of the "chosen ones" who are "blessed by God" and that people who "work hard" will automatically be "rich" or at least "comfortable" . These are the cultural edicts that influence many right wing circles to see the poor as "immoral".

Be careful of those who teach most beggars are liars, are there some scammers sure there are, but many are in need. Maybe the scammers are rare in my smaller commmunity, you would be found out pretty quick. In my neck of the woods, they do take ID for charity, and have you "sign" in. This can sometimes be a bit weird, but maybe it is done to screen out scammers. IE if some guy has a great job and is showing up to the food pantries, there's going to be a discrepancy. They know who is low income and who isn't.

Realize the same propaganda that claims most people on welfare are "lazy" ignore the true reality that the majority on welfare today have low wage employment unless they are disabled. Since the 1990s, you were required to be in a job program or looking for work to get any food stamps or welfare unless you were disabled in the majority of states.

Bible Believer said...


There are good missions and charities out there. Maybe should have made that clear. I know people in my community who help the homeless and others. I have been helped by local churches. I guess I should have emphasized that though I have noticed those influenced too much by right wing politics, are losing the love and definitely following the politicians in treatment of the poor.

I have never begged in the streets even as a non-believer. I just could never do it. We felt like it a few times but turned to friends, or after I was a believer God would "rescue me" more then once. Maybe I never got that desperate though I did trash pick and dumpster dive in the worse earlier years but I know in my case avoiding homelessness by the skin of my teeth, I was able to avoid the humiliation of street begging. I know I narrowly missed it. I also got smarter as I got older learning how to get needed help. I try not to judge and isn't there bible verses about giving to beggars without doing an inquisition on them? I err on the benefit of the doubt side too.

Bible Believer said...


THank you regarding 2 Thessalonians 3:8, I questioned this too, because many are willing to work but not given work, especially in today's economy. I never heard the verse about just wages preached in one of these churches. Some of churches, where they have not been so duped are realistic about today's low wages or very low wage gig employment. I agree about trying to live a good life following God's commandments. I have given up hope on politics getting better in this world too. Too much of the right wing has been duped to blame the poor, I'm old enough to feel like the same things are happening over and over, and the wealthy church crowd has been taught to cry "my taxes" in serving as enablers to the ultra wealthy and other who wish to oppress the poor, denying them fair wages and decent treatment. I agree society is getting colder and meaner. God does send help. I've had it happen many times. I do keep praying.

I have prayed more wake up but if someone doesn't have a heart for the poor or less fortunate...[at even the level I am at now, there's poorer people then me] this shows poor fruits and brings salvation even into question. I simply cannot understand the hard-hearted some who seem proud of oppression of the poor. On this alone, I made a wise choice to leave that last IFB.

Bible Believer said...


Sure Jesus is not happy with the right or left. Politics leads to perdition more times then not. Jesus's promises to those who have given things up, remain true and are there for us. I know people who have "sold out" and their souls have been destroyed. I ended a college friendship because she rejected the gospel over and over, and followed the Dalai Lama. I could not abide by it anymore and knew it was time to walk. In this case, she prospered in the world, doing work that was directly war related. You can see people who sell out and do wicked things for money and this goes together with the rejection of God and the gospel.

Yes I pray many here can find others who fellowship with in person. The right wing blinders are a horrible and huge barrier. I do know people I believe are saved, ie, they help the poor on a personal level and show great fruits but sadly they still "follow" the right wing.

Liz I agree about the televangelists, religion is business is many places in the USA< some are using it to bring in the cash. Yes young people see this stuff and run. I went to the UUUs as young person disgusted by exposed TV evangelists, it looks absurd and "Christians" look like "suckers" and "easily duped" people to the non-believing world.

I agree about the personal relationship with God and being born again in Jesus Christ first. With churches, I have none to recommend, so that's what it is all about.

Thank you James for your prayers and anon. I appreciate my husband too. Understand leaving the churches.

Its terrible for a rich person to be abusing the food pantry. That isn't right.

Bible Believer said...

With disabled people, be careful there, I am truly disabled but many people of more mild medical problems are going on disability or trying to because no one will hire them. It isn't right but that is something that is happening. Age discrimination is rampant. My husband has health problems where no job will hire him and his age is a factor, but he is not considered sick enough to be disabled or wasnt at least a few years ago. He is educated enough to manage some work at home equal to a low wage minimum job where they would require someone to be on their feet all day. The American job system is broken. Especially for working class people where many jobs are menial or on the feet, people of minor health or age problems do not have the stamina for the jobs. So if you see some people who are seeking after disability this is what is happening. Yes there are scammers. There is one man I met in my community applying for disability and he was in good shape outside of one mild shoulder problem and hammer toes. He was never housebound or had breathing problems and could go on vacations that included walking tours to Mexican and Italy with a wealthier girlfriend and laying on a beach. I told him you are never going to get disability and he was not happy with me. Another man built an entire porch with a screen on his house and went canoeing and camping for three weeks, I told his wife, there was no way he was physically disabled. These types of folks make disabled people's lives worse. Those type of people make all disabled people look bad.

Bible Believer said...


My stamina even affects this blog, I try to write something once a week, and type in comments another day of the week. Sometimes I'm resting in between typings. It is done from bed. This is the reason I get behind on emails if I owe any to some here.

I do agree with you, that people should not have children with no fathers in the home, and there are some abuses of the system. I suppose one price of the charity is some will abuse it but I believe we should all remain charitable as possible.

I am glad you helped that man, O. God bless you. Even humble helping is good. Like if you are poor yourself and have left over food, or clothing you can give it to another person. Poor people can make cards out of scrap magazines and old cards if they have some glue and scissors to give people. I feel for those who have been victimized by our system. I see this humble little old couple, and they are in their 80s, I run into them at one charitable church, and I pray for them hoping they are getting enough help. I do meet others in worse straits then me. Things are getting difficult out there. Lots of people to pray for.

Bible Believer said...

I have seen news reports of professional pan handlers. In one large city I used to see them. Yes that is low down stuff. Most of them wear a lot nicer shoes then the real poor. That's one way to tell them apart.

Anonymous said...

BB, thank you for your faithfulness in persevering despite your physical challenges. I think that needed to be said again although others have expressed it in one way or another.

Anonymous said...

You can not always tell if a person is disabled. It's like pain with cancer. Everybody just believes people with cancer are in pain even if you can't see it. But with other illnesses they will doubt it. I knew a women in horrible pain from fybromyalgia. They would not give her any pain medication. Then she got cancer and they were handing it to her with no problem. She said she wasn't in any more pain.
I would rather risk giving people money than making innocent people suffer. I give to homeless people and I would rather risk that they may drink with it, than not give, that they may be hungry. If I see them smoking I will not give; but even that is my pet peeve. Maybe someone gave them the cigarettes. They may be mentally ill therefor they cannot get a job. I occasionally sense someone is scamming me, but even then I am not absolutely sure of someones story.
I really hope people do not start taking this brutal stance toward the disabled and homeless. Judging their every move to see if they are the real thing. This is what atheist do to Christians.

SJLC said...

I think that is the attitude Jesus wants us to have. The Holy Spirit can warn us to stay away from someone if there is a real problem, but preventing us from being scammed is not necessarily even a priority. Recently I saw a video by someone who works with the poor, who pointed out that being scammed and responding with forgiveness instead of anger like a worldy person is a way to demonstrate that God's people are different. If thus you surprise a cheater into being willing to hear the gospel, isn't that worth whatever money you gave them?

Anonymous said...

Anon at 6:51 a.m.

Those in genuine need don't stand on street corners and panhandle. These are the professionals most likely or those who are drug addicts. If you give them money you are only enabling them in their sin and/or their habit. As long as they are profitable with their scam they will continue to bilk others out of money that should have gone to a legitimate cause.

Give you money to a mission in the area of the homeless who feeds they and gives them the Word of God. That way you know it is going to do the Lord's work. We are to be good stewards of what God gives us and we are not to throw it away.

You are correct in that we can't always tell about looking at a person if they are disabled or not. But if they are smoking, it is obviously a habit or they would not be smoking a cigarette that someone gave them. It is harmful to their health to have such an expensive habit. God gives us discernment and believers should use it. He will reveal who is true and who is false if we will but listen to His voice.



Anonymous said...

Anon 9:26 - I am sorry, but you cannot say that every person that panhandles is not in genuine need. You have absolutely no way of knowing that. You are wrong.
https://thinkprogress.org/everything-you-think-you-know-about-panhandlers-is-wrong-36b41487730d#.xcj2vyqjl
There are plenty of other studies if you need to be shown them.I do discern when I give, but I ,as you, am not a perfect person;so I could be wrong. I would rather not have people suffer.
People skim money from charities; even christian charities have been caught doing this. So, with your logic I could never give to anyone because someone may be scamming.

Anonymous said...

I have personally known rich people who actually claim they are poor, and also known rich people who are cheating the system in one way or another.
Jesus was far more harsh and judgmental on the rich and powerful than the poor and vulnerable. There were beggars in the New testament. I don't recall Jesus ever telling anyone to discern whether they were for genuine. But he did tell people to discern whether leaders were genuine.Paul talks about sheep's in wolves clothing;but he wasn't talking about beggars.
Maybe you have more pressing things to be concerned about.

Bible Believer said...

I would rather risk a few scammers then trying to judge if everyone is in need. I've never begged on the streets. I've been close though in my past. So I see the people as legitimate. It's not that hard to end up homeless as people think. There is a huge population of "throw away" people in America right now. Some may have paid rent and have nothing left for food. It's better to give benefit of the doubt.

Anonymous said...

All you anons plus BB who have rebuked me regarding giving to panhandlers, I am not some heartless hypocrite. I have given to many people and children in need both in this country and in other countries. I try to do my due diligence before giving as we are to be good stewards of what the Lord gives us.

The idea of sharing the Gospel with a scammer is really one for the books. If they are crooks they see you as another patsy. They have to see the error of their ways before they will listen to the Gospel.

There is a nation-wide network of professional panhandlers who make the rounds across the country. That is fact.

I once helped a lady who approached me in a parking lot and God gave me discernment about her that she was a lady with kids just in a tight spot. I happened to have some extra funds in my wallet and I blessed her with it in the name of the LORD. I wanted Him to get the glory. She was a professing Christian.

So please don't disparage me as some cold-hearted person.

Scott Wasinski said...

Judas was a thief. Jesus knew he was a thief. So what position did Jesus give to him? CFO.
According to the misrepresentation of "good stewardship" Jesus was not a good steward.

I'm not a robot (anymore;)

Anonymous said...

Scott, sorry, but you insult our Savior. He knew Judas' heart and He keow that he would betray Him. Judas was much more than a thief - he was greedy and disloyal. He was an imposter.

Are you are insinuating that I insulted our Savior and accused Him of poor stewardship? It wasn't all about the money to our Lord.

If we put the possessions the Lord gave us in the hands of a known thief it would be foolish. Are you saying our Lord was foolish?

I fail to see the application. It is disrespectful to God to throw money away or use it foolishly. We are to be good stewards of EVERYTHING the Lord gives us including our possessions, our bodies or anything we have.

God doesn't want us to enable dishonest people in a way that encourages them to continue in their dishonsesty.

Scott Wasinski said...

Anon 2:23 You have made a lot of statements here about God's character, desires, and money that I challenge you to support with the scripture.

I have not insulted the One and True Jesus Christ of the ancient prophets and of the scriptures. I stated the truth. Jesus knew exactly who Judas was. Jesus gave him charge over the money bag.

John 12:3-6 "Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein."

Was Mary a "good steward" as you define stewardship? That ointment was the value of an entire years salary for the average working man. $30,000.00 give or take...

Has Jesus changed? Nay. Even in this story, He commends us "the poor you will have with you always." Saying that it would be acceptable to give all that ointment's value to the poor.

Judas did not want to give any of the money to the poor. Judas was the one that was bewailing the "poor stewardship" of Mary and her spikenard. Just as the impostor (or brainwashed) "Christians" cry "stewardship" to cover their own covetousness.

I would say that it would be better stewardship to give material possessions out to the poor and to the needy, as those treasures that moth and rust corrupt and that thieves break through and steal, are not even to be counted as dung in comparison to the rewards that await those that have truly been faithful in charity. The greatest treasures are to be shared, not misered.

You really should not falsely accuse me of "insulting" "our" Savior. I really do not know if you and I have the same Savior. Jesus, Himself prophesied that in these last days there would be many false Christs. Many people have images of "Jesus" in their minds, but these images do not equate to the One True Jesus of the scriptures.

What I do know is Him that has saved me from the penalty that I deserve, adopted me into His family and has sealed me with His Spirit for a token of His promise and my eternal salvation. He looks nothing like Michelangelo's commissioned rendition of the fair faced, European image that people conjure in their minds when they pray.

And when I have the opportunity to share whatever I have, be it spiritual or material, I always acknowledge that I am not the One that is responsible for the misuse once it is passed along.

Here's something to think about. IF Judas had not been a thief that had the bag and bared the contents, then Jesus might have had enough money to buy food for the five thousand or the seven thousand. God used the thief's covetousness to show how He does not need the things of this world that the gentiles (unbelieving) seek after, in order to provide something as needful as fish and bread.

God's ways are still not our ways and His thoughts are much, much higher than ours. Why would anyone even want to hold onto money or goods of this world when a need is presented?

I think you should learn to hear. Hebrews 3... I exhort you, while it is called Today.

I'm not a robot (anymore;)

Anonymous said...

Scott, you insinuate that I am not a true born-again believer in Jesus Christ. God knows my heart and He knows my motives and He knows I am merely a sinner saved by grace. I do give liberally to the poor, the GENUINE poor, not charlatans.

In God's eyes, the ointment poured out upon Jesus was an example of good stewardship. What she did and the honor she showed our Lord by giving Him something so precious spoke of her devotion for Him. Of course Judas disdained her actions because he was greedy and he did not understand how anyone could sacrifice something dear for the lord. As I said and you chose to ignore, stewardship means more than money or precious valuables. It means our time, our resources and other intangibles.

It is quite possible to be right on an issue but if love is not ingrained in it, it is a clanging cymbal, merely noise. It is always important to speak the truth in love. I exhort you to read again the multitude of verses you must be aware of about how to speak to fellow believers and to always season your comments with grace.

Anonymous said...

Stephan

I recently came along a bible verse I wanted to share.
Iesaja 58,4: Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.

The way I was shown this verses it means the following.
If you don´t act with love but to prove your point, your voice will not be heard in heaven.

I recommend to read the rest of Isaya 58. It shows the attitude of the people in 58,4 and it shows you three other types of fast a christian can do. With three times If you do this Then you get this.

Anonymous said...

False pastors use that same logic. A lot of people here are believers. Contending for truth is what we are suppose to do. Some people call it "debate",while others call it reproving as scripture commands us to do. People who don't like reproving call it "debate". I call a debate arguing over meaningless issues..... James

Anonymous said...

Right you are James. Christians should not "debate" spiritual matters. They discuss them - it is called "iron sharpening iron". It is intended to edify one another even when we do not agree. Debates can get ugly and pit one side against the other. Christians are supposed to be all on the same side.

Scott Wasinski said...

There is a difference between striving, debating that bares no fruit and speaking to the truth to the subverting of the hearer. Sadly, these days, a lot of people want to accuse the man of God for being "mean" stubborn, and intolerant to other people's opinions and false interpretations of scripture. And of course, the first thing that we should know about the Word of God is:

1 Peter 1:19-21

"We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
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KNOWING THIS FIRST, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
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For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."


1 Timothy 2 14: "Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
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And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
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Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. Num 16:5, 26
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But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
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If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
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Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
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But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
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And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
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In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
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And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will."



Sound doctrine seems to be a common azimuth point that all of the remnant saints are headed when they exodus the institutional, harlot corporations. I find people that "agree to disagree" are usually sitting under "Constantine's pulpit" model of "church."

Semitary teachings are what the Lord warned us about. ugh...

I'm not a robot (anymore;)

Anonymous said...

I have to agree with you Scott. Most people involved in the harlot church actually believe the leadership must be seminary trained in order to qualify for preaching/teaching positions.

Oh, how the harlot church worships its overlords who love to gather followers after themselves.

Scott Wasinski said...

Anon 6:46 I believe that those that are coming out of the churches have long held beliefs that they stubbornly hold onto and that can cause strife when someone brings the truth in opposition to a false belief. Wherefore it is necessary to extend grace, not to be confused with tolerance or acceptance of false doctrine, but grace to understand their position. We know that stubbornness is as idolatry. Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. It is good to be zealously effected by the truth. It is not good to refuse to be corrected when evidence and scripture conflicts with anyone's long held belief. Please pray for me that I might be more gracious, and not be so antagonistic toward those that are being led out of these corporations. The last thing I want to do is be a vessel used to make them want to run back into the harlot's arms. She'd love to have them back.

I'm not a robot (anymore;)

Anonymous said...

By the harlot church are you referring to the Roman Catholic church and/or the Greek Orthodox and/or the mainline churches such as Methodist, Lutheran, etc.?

This is not the only litmus test for others in the harlot church. Could the Calvinists be considered the harlot church?

Scott Wasinski said...

The Roman Catholic Church is the "MYSTERY; BABYLON THE GREAT, MOTHER OF HARLOTS..." the model of "church" that most people are familiar with is hierarchical, having one person preaching the message to the "saints" practicing many of the ancient Babylonian high days of worship and calling them "Christmas" "Easter" Good Friday, etc... These all came from the RCC, yet she has had a lot of churches that have broken away from her ...I mean "daughter bodies" that have come from her loins that are modeled after her likeness..having the pulpit, one man show with creeds and statements of faiths and decrees and such... where the laity and the clergy are separate, and are indicated as such with titles for their names.


The model of Church that we are given in scripture is foundationally and diametrically opposed to the pew filled corporations that capture the attention of the people to offer them a message without the participation of the laity.

We see a group of saints that knew each other intimately and would gather from house-to-house, breaking bread, praying for one another, each having a gifting whereby the body is edified and there was no hi,

The Bishop, elders and deacons were not "pastors" like we know them today. They would meet the saints in their own houses and teach them the things of the Lord, having been approved by the Holy Ghost, not some credentialed institution.

I don't know if that makes a whole lot of sense to you, but the bottom line is that the model of church that came from the loins of the Mother Harlot is seen in Baptists, Pentecostals, Orthodox, Lutheran, Presbyterian, basically all of the known "churches" are modeled after her image and likeness.


In Revelation 17 & 18 we are given a very detailed description of her and the scripture clearly states that His People, the voice of the Bridegroom and the voice of His Bride are head in her today. That is because His people have accepted the harlot model of gathering, These "local bodies" are sold for money and the real body of Christ is divided and scattered.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Scott for the explanation. I have one question. Do you mean that there is no church on the planet where we can go to assemble with other believers? Is the house church the only option?

I have heard horror stories about those also going off into false doctrine. Are you saying that every single church that is a 501c is not suitable for Christians to go to even if they do teach the Word of God (sound doctrine) and the true plan of salvation? In today's society and under the government, is there any way for people to support their church if they are not a 501c? How is the church to report the gifts given to the church to support the activities of the church? They would have to show income to someone and be reported to the IRS. They would have to take everything in cash and hide it. Jesus says to render to the government what they are owed. Would this not be cheating? What suggestions do you have as an alternative?

If people's sole reason for giving is to get a tax deduction, that is wrong. However, if as a side issue they are given a tax break, is that wrong?

I have heard so many speak out against the 501c but have never heard anyone give a reasonable solution.

Scott Wasinski said...

Anon 9:48 That is more than one question. lol

1) there are plenty of places (including the organizations) where we can go to assemble with other believers. obviously, the level of genuine fellowship greatly decreases in an institutional setting (which has been one of the dragon's successful strategies)

2) The house church is the only option to actually have a biblical gathering, such as we see in scripture.

3) Define "suitable" If you mean suitable for an individual's comfort level, then no, I'm not saying it is unsuitable. If suitable means fitting the description of the church that we read about in the new testament and the intended community that the church is to be (as it was for the first 300 years) then Yes, I am saying that is is unsuitable.

4) if it is an institutional model of church (as in an official corporation) then a person can still give their money to that corporation all they want to. There are no laws forbidding giving a small group or a corporation money. The church of God does not give their money to a corporation, but distributes as we have been blessed, to those that are in need (that is how the scripture describes church, which is not what we see in the culture today.

5) have you ever given money to a friend or a family member because they were in need? Did you feel that you had to report them to the IRS for receiving a monetary gift from you?

6)I am not a tax expert, so I cannot tell you for certain of it would be cheating or not. I suspect, since the money had already been taxed, that it would not be cheating.

7) My suggestion is to give of that which you have to the needs that are presented to you, by people and not corporations that claim to be churches.

8) Yes, it is diametrically wrong when that tax break is given because there has been a contract signed to render unto Cesar the things that are God's.

The reason that you are not connecting the dots and have so many questions (your first sentence was great, btw), is because you are only seeing "church" with the view of church as an institutional order that has a building, some property, a parsonage, a committee, ministries, budgets, and basically have not understood that there are two very different ideas of what church really is, biblically. Here is the best video I have ever seen that breaks it down so very well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGmeIUK4xpE&t=7s

The best thing is to actually study the church in the scriptures. read their activities, their gatherings, their fellowship and such.

I was before, but I'm not a robot (anymore;)

Bible Believer said...

I want to throw this old article in on the discussion above of the church system.

I wrote this article years ago.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2012/02/daughters-protestant-churches-1-altars.html

I consider all the Protestant daughters now. Even the Baptists have not been untouched. [yes there are truly born again baptists and other people still in the church system, but more and more I have come to the conclusion they are all harlots.

Even the IFB serves the Pope with the support of his crusades. And I remember sitting there as they got out the chiclets and grape juice thinking this is nowhere near what a real meal and rememberance of Jesus Christ was in the book of Acts.

Years ago too, I posted on how every church denomination bowed before the Pope, and YES the Baptists were there too, via the representative of the Baptist Alliance, which represents every Baptist denomination except IFBs.

I posted this video or a copy of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcrkQ5fcNP4

May be time to rerun this one.

I see all denominations under Rome's rule. Even the one's that say they are against Rome are tied. SDA etc.

Scott Wasinski said...

BB, this is exactly why I appreciate your work. Thank you for returning to this subject. I did not become born again because of any evangelistic effort or a response to an altar call. I became convinced that the Bible is true and I wept over my sins before the Lord, in secret, pleading with God for mercy and remembered the cross. He showed me mercy and gave me a great inheritance in Him. His Holy Spirit has led me through the institutional church and has revealed unto me many of her abominable deeds, wherewith I have a sure foundation, even the Word of God, to distinguish between what the Lord has said and what the corporations have taught. The hostility and outright animosity that we face for speaking the truth about these meeting houses of Satan, is reprehensible and should be a red flag to those few saints that are in her bosom. As it was when I was partially blinded

I have always been extremely zealous for the Lord and for His Word. Even when I was in the institutional churches, although I had believed some things that I was taught of them, I needed to, so that I could have an understanding of the ways in which the saints are led astray, I kept my faith founded upon the Word of the Lord and He has never, and will never, fail.


I have recently been labeled a "Protestant" by several people and I reject that identification for the same reasons that you stated in the article above. I am not a daughter protesting her mother. I am a born again believer of Jesus Christ and am His Bride. I actually protest the protestants.

Even though the battles are seemingly endless, I hope to be found faithful unto the end, fighting the good fight of faith and laying hold on eternal life found in Jesus Christ.

May all of us seek to be taught of Him and humble ourselves under His command and under His authority. I am so edified and inspired by the revelations that the Lord has given you to share, because they are complimentary of all that the Lord has shown me. We are truly built upon the same foundation. I want so much to be an encouragement to you and to others in the faith. It seems that there is so much pride and divisions among the saints. Sometimes those that are even in the faith will come with a blind-sided attack from left field, because they are offended at the truth.

"Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, all evil speakings, As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, we also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation."

I'm not a robot (anymore;)

caucazhin said...

great post right on the " MONEY " ! ! !
all i can say is JAMES 5:1-6 & REVELATION 18 the WHORE of Babylon
SODOM & GAmerica the pitiful or is it ( SO DAMN & GAmerica ) ???

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/davos-inequality-eight-billionaires/2017/01/16/id/768731/

1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtf2H4YrYVw
2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB2WyQOO83E
3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTKRk4EEhYM
4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dva-d50tRNA

REV 18
23 ........for thy merchants (( were the great men of the earth )) for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate
23 ........for thy merchants (( were the great men of the earth )) for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.