Saturday, October 8, 2016

Only Skinny Metrosexuals Wanted....

Church Requirements for a Worship Leader

"New Creation Church in Hillsboro recently found itself at the center of a controversy when guidelines posted on its website for people seeking to join the "worship team" were posted on Facebook.
Among the requirements for the group of churchgoers who help lead the congregation in songs during services at the non-denominational evangelical church? "No excessive weight."
"Weight is something that many people have to deal with," reads the instructions for would-be worship team members. "Make sure that you are taking care of your temple, exercising and eating properly."
Ponder Anew, a blog about faith, reports that the document was posted on Facebook by "Stuff Christian Culture Likes," where it received enough negative feedback that it was removed from the church's website. But a PDF of the worship team guidelines has been preserved online.
Other points in the list that commenters find objectionable include:
  • "A submissive attitude is very important among the worship team members. Speaking against the leadership will not be tolerated."
  • "Smoking, use of narcotics or alcohol, swearing, illicit sexual behavior and ongoing family problems are not acceptable in a music minister's life and will not be tolerated."
  • "Bodies must be clean and use of effective deodorant is essential to positive interpersonal relationships."
  • "Remember that the way we look is of utmost importance. We are the first thing the congregation sees. People do judge by appearance. We never get a second chance to  make that first impression. Please be sure that your style and clothing bring honor and glory to God, isn't excessive and doesn't draw unnecessary attention to yourself." 
The requirement that bothers me the most is the one that demands a submissive attitude. Is that why so many of those worship leaders look effeminate? In church constitutions, there's rules for no one to gossip and other nonsense such as not speaking against the leaders, but a requirement to be a "submissive" seems a bit extreme. That one should bother people more then the shallow appearance rules. Well most of these worship leaders are entertainment specialists for the mega-churches, there's no such thing as a worship leader in the bible.

The focus on looks too, shows you the mandates of our shallow culture. It is also against the bible that tells us beauty is vain. I always wondered before if they had certain requirements for worship leaders in these churches, they always were young, thin and had a standard level of attractiveness. I guess the narcissistic pastors don't want any 'he-men" either stealing their thunder so you see the rules for a "submissive" attitude.


Grammy G said...

BB-This is a joke, Right? So very sad this is reality.

Anonymous said...

Worship is no longer worship in most churches, especially megachurches - it is entertainment. It is all about image. The qualifications should be based on one's Christian walk and heart, not on outer physical appearance. Yes, when one is standing up front and representing the church it is important not to look like a slob, but really, such a set of rules are ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

Agree, Matthew 23:26. - Don

Bible Believer said...

No it's reality and sad too Grammy.

I agree it is all about image. Think of the control factor. Most in public forums will know enough to dress properly, why do they have to be told like children. I agree it is all focus on a public appearance.

yes white-washed sepulchres.

Anonymous said...

I just noticed the tats on this guy. That seems to be the "in" thing these days. Surely not God-honoring.

Anonymous said...

It looks as though the "guy" has some sort of papal "immaculate heart" tattoo on chest. Maybe it's just me. Reminds me of the icons of the Roman "Jesus and Mary".

Bible Believer said...

I think it's a immaculate heart too. One sees them more in secular hipster goes along with the icon. Yes tattoos are pretty popular. I don't agree with tattoos. I won't judge someone who got them especially pre-salvation but I think they are better off avoided.

Anonymous said...

i do not agree with tattoos either. I'm 34 and never once thought of getting one. Im the poster at 4:00 pm, forgot to put my name......James

Bible Believer said...

I am glad you never got one James. I never wanted one. I wouldn't even have my ears pierced. LOL I know I went off the reservation with that one but it's not somthing I demand of others. What is creepy about tattoos is they are very painful to get and people still line up....

Anonymous said...

Worship leaders have a lot of power and influence within the structured church system, as does the "organist" within the more traditional religious services. Interesting to note how institutional Christianity promotes leadership/more leadership/lead like jesus/power/influence/domination/control/and PRIDE.

The word "leadership" is all I hear from church pastors/boards/elders/deacons/deaconesses, Christian radio, conference promoters and attendees (from both genders!), youth groups, Christian books by the droves, television, etc. It seems as though if the lowly believer and follower of Jesus, the Christ, is not is some form of leadership, nor pursuing a leadership position of some sort, this poor sheep is labeled "useless" in the Kingdom of God.

And personally, I have discovered through much abuse within the so called Christian church, that those who are in any form of leadership, and those who deem themselves more spiritual than the rest, are actually the ones who do not minister to me at all! Their pride in their boastful selves is the exact opposite of what Jesus taught and ministered to His sheep. Has Christianity become one big "pride-fest?"

And of the elders/church board/former youth group leader, boasted that the holy spirit told him verbally to get a tattoo on his arm; and this spirit even told him which scripture verse to have needled into his skin as a "witness" for a jesus. So now he proudly displays it on his 'fakebook' page to show everyone what a big Christian he is.

Another jesus and another spirit being represented in this man of leadership's life, not the LORD of our Holy Scriptures. And I will say, this man of importance does not love those of us who do not 'compliment nor condone' his religious tattoo....another idol in the hearts and minds of mankind.

Scott Wasinski said...

I am a psalmist for the Lord. When I entered the Institutional Church (IC) I was sought after to become a "worship Leader" because I have a good voice, play the guitar very well and I am not "unattractive". Being desired is a type of seduction, in and of itself, yet, I always wanted to direct people in true praise and have the focus on the Lord and I struggled with the whole stage/platform paradigm, because I knew that the vast majority of people lifted me up, instead of the Lord; and that troubled me greatly. There are so many aspects to the platform that are just against everything we see in the Bible about the true church.

We do have singing in the new testament church, but it was to be done by those that were merry...James 5:13 That indicates a different person, praying and singing each time we gather, yet the IC desires the same people to lead "praise and worship" every week. It is a form of idolatry and the very foundation of the IC is exalting man to positions above others. Yet Jesus in Matthew 23 said be not like unto them, for One is our Master, even Christ and we are all brethren.

There is a difference between praise and worship. Although the IC likes to marry the two separate words...i.e. "praise and Worship" they are two completely different things. To worship (biblically) means to literally trust your life to. It is an internal matter of the heart of faith. To praise is to attribute laud and honor to, which can be both internal and external. They can be combined in an individual's life, but in a corporate setting, I cannot see it being realistic, in the truest meaning of the two, separate words.

On the topic of "worship":
The image of the beast...all will be made to "worship" the image....people will literally trust their lives to this system of identification, yet the IC usually teaches that there will be a one world religion that everyone will be forced to bow themselves down to in "worship" that is not what the scriptures say, nor describe. The scripture clearly states that this image is a system of identification that has the power to cause as many as do not (trust their lives to it) that they should be killed. I might sound like a broken record, but the word "worship" is not genuinely understood by many people, and the false definition can be detrimental when the time come to reject the identification (i.e. mark, name or number) that without which no man might buy or sell.

I still cannot fathom how the SDA cult fringe could ever think that this has anything to do with Sunday gatherings. but now I'm getting off topic.

The IC depends on a fair-faced, pleasant voiced, leader to wow the audience. It has been proven that the vast majority of people will be drawn to attractive people, but the true attraction in kingdom of God is the Lord and the inner man is way more precious than any outward appearance could ever be. He had no form nor comeliness that we should desire a root out of dry ground. I'd much rather see an outwardly homely or "ugly" person showing forth the beauty of the new creature than to see the outward beauty and pleasant voice of an unregenerate soul...any day of the week:)

I'm not a robot (anymore;)

Anonymous said...

They forgot to mention; must have a Goatee if your are a man. I have noticed a lot of men in the pastoral etc. have a goatee.

Anonymous said...

Also on tattoos - some people make their whole body "art" - sleeves on the arms and on the legs too. This can't be cheap not to mention the discomfort. Tattoos are permanent for the most part and some done in a moment of weakness. There must be a risk of some kind for infection I would think. It seems very pagan to me, but Christians are getting them as a "witness". Seriously?

Too bad someone can't come up with a method of removing them that people can afford and is effective. That way Christians who have them B.C. could get rid of them.

Anonymous said...

BB. Yes, and not to mention the hundreds or thousands of dollars it costs to have it done. My personal opinion is that it's all vanity. Whenever people get them, they always make sure they are wearing clothing that shows them off. I'm the kind of person who does not like like attention.....James

Anonymous said...

One of my nieces received at rose tattoo located on the back of her lower leg, from her ankle to her knee. When she arrived at one of our family gatherings, she propped her leg up on the chair and asked me, "What do you think of my tattoo."

She was so proud! I could not even begin to fake "niceness" as I have always found them to be disgusting to even look at. My response, said in love, was, "You don't really want to know what I think, because if I said my true beliefs, you wouldn't like me very well." She said, "Oh," put her leg back on the floor and left.

She couldn't afford to pay her bills and lived with her grandparents as they were so generous to help her out, and yet, she could afford a "tattoo."

Same goes with other youth in our community....can't afford the necessities, yet have the mammon for tats, eyebrow/nose/tongue/naval/lip piercings, etc.

Seems like there is such darkness attached to these things.

Anonymous said...

I don't know which is more maddening/disturbing: Christians getting tattoos by the droves, or the fact that there doesn't seem to be a single notable Christian voice out there in the public Christian square with the spiritual rectitude to speak sense to those who are marching to the tattoo parlors to get themselves "done".

What gets me most when a professing Christian gets a tattoo, is knowing that they have been to a tattoo parlor to get this done (unless they know a "christian" who does this on the side, in their home). Tattoo parlors are such dark places, flanked with disturbing, demonic, occultic, and sexually provocative "art" (never mind the flowers and butterflies)...

And I defy any so-called "Christian" tattoo parlor OWNERS (/operators) to try and tell me they ONLY do "christian" tattoos, and decorate their parlors in bright, positive themes. Seriously? If this is how they're making their living, and they want to succeed - or thrive - as a tattoo business, they will have to cater to customers who come in asking for whatever! In THAT case, where's their witness then?

But the majority of so-called Christians (along with your metrosexual "worship" leaders) are getting their tattoos done in the usual dark parlors, which have such a demonic sense about them. That is why I cannot accept the fact that Christian institutions (churches, universities, radio or TV ministries, etc.) have no voice counseling anyone against such a notion but actually going along with it. The silence is deafening.

Lynn said...


And whether professing Christians seek tattoos in tattoo parlors or NOT, tattoos themselves arose from a dark historical context, undergirded by pagan beliefs and practices. Getting your tattoos done in a Christian tattoo artist's HOME does nothing to alter the reality of that.

So I am brokenhearted that no one in ministry says or does a single thing against this trend, but quietly or overtly goes along with it (if not leading the trend themselves). What began for the sake of not offending anyone in church who might have a tattoo (poor reason for withholding the truth, especially in a church or ministry setting) has turned into "how to offend a HOLY GOD while misleading the spiritually vulnerable and misguided." It grieves me deeply.

To Christians entering a tattoo parlor thinking they'll be a witness for the Lord by getting a "christian" tattoo, my question is... Seriously? And as others who have remarked here, I can't get over all the money represented in the tattoos I see sported by everyone. And the ink? -- SO hard (and costly) to remove! It just makes no sense. It's insanity, isn't it. SO many non-sensical things are coming together into a potent mix in our day. With Christians right there, ready to lap it up. There's a sort of disconnect in play with all this. With Christians PERMANENTLY marring their bodies -- the precious vessels they have had since birth, that GOD CREATED. Bodies He deliberately, and lovingly designed! Why would any professing Christian who truly reverences God want to "mark" their bodies in any manner like the world - PERMANENTLY - with images and words, the removal of which is difficult and cost-prohibitive?

Lynn said...


I told to my kids: We cannot honor God by imitating darkness -- even in His name. He would never reach out to the world by such means! Look at the word of God and tell me, what does it demonstrate about Him? God is LIGHT! Why would He use DARKNESS and things associated with fallen man and a darkened world to try to convey Himself? We should NEVER associate Him with darkness! That is CONFUSION. If we want to honor Him, REFLECT HIS LIGHT! Do not take on darkness in an effort to reach the lost. Not a single example of that can be found in God's word ANYWHERE. Rather, the following:

"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light." I Peter 2:9

It's not about the opinions of men, or one Christian's opinion versus another's. It's not a matter of "clever" evangelism or the attempt to relate "culturally" to people. What matters is God and what HE thinks, and letting His word inform and instruct us. It all boils down to God and His word. Sharing our opinions and pooling our ignorance only leads to compromise and confusion.

Bible Believer said...

The bible has verses against tattoos, at least in the OT, which makes the love of tattoos even more maddening.

I agree about the leadership stuff being about pride, its all a contest, no real fellowship when even the woman across the bible study table is going to leadership camp to learn how to lord over other believers.

Yes I have met some Christians telling me God told them to get tattoos. I know of a few with crosses tattooed on them.

I don't think all singing or anything like that is wrong Scott but sounds like you watched out for the pitfalls quite well. I do think they should give a place to even the "bad singers" to sing. It is about worship. I am horrible at singing, like really really bad. I got an F in choir in junior high. I am almost deaf now to boot too. LOL But it's still good for someone really awful to sing a song of worship to the Lord.

Bible Believer said...

Tattoo parlors are creepy. I didn't know they had Christian brand ones, but it would not surprise me. We had a local one that went out of business that had a giant one eye in the window, you see snakes, black colors, leather outfits--oops thats that one weird show Inked. I agree with you Lynn it has major "darkness" to it. Even the piercing stuff bugs me, where people become slaves with chains in them, thinking off the cuff here. Literal chains and nose rings to be led by. I agree we are not suppose to seek the things of darkness. Tattoo parlors always freaked me out. I once got invited to one for an open house with someone and went, and noticed so many tattoos were snakes, and demons and dice and just bad stuff, like proving what a sinner someone was. I don't want to be hard on the previously tattooed unsaved, but I do not believe God desires tattooing of Christians.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 5:59 here again.

We had a former youth group leader and currently a church board elder and deacon, give a praise and blessing report in the front of the church building, telling the congregation that "god spoke to him" and told him which Scripture verse to have tattooed on his arm. He is extremely influential with the youth in our community as he has a "cool personality" and worships the sports arena of life, so he has a powerful voice amongst the teens. Role models are important to our youth and they desire to "be just like that cool adult" in our communities, trying to model their ways. As a result of this "cool kid adult," many other young people have gone out and have had crosses, verses, and other religious icons tattooed on their bodies.

I have personally heard the phrase, "My parents were against it, but if so and so (cool church board member/deacon) can get one, it must be alright with god." And this church is a conservative Baptist 501c. 3, with a taste of Assembly of god type of charismania, ie. the "god spoke to me syndrome."

How can this be in our churches? And if a personal speaks out against such darkness, we are labeled as dissenters, revilers, trouble makers, and elitists by those in the leadership who desire to lord over us. How can this be? These fallen leaders have such power and influence over the children, that they even defy their parents instruction against such practices?

Churches do not teach their people that our bodies are the literal temples of God, the Holy Spirit. If they did, most people probably wouldn't show up for their religious ceremonies as we have been told that the holy spirit is only found their buildings made with human hands.

Bible Believer said...

Thats horrible the cool youth group leader got everyone to get tattoos. Yes teens are that easily influenced and others. This seems to be happening all over. Just look at the Whosoevers, they are basically a band of "ultra"-cool youth group leaders, or like them. You know the churches got rid of the boring staid group leaders who got out the bibles and maybe had the kids play kickball for the cool "rocking" youth group leaders to get the churches more active. Sure any parent speaking out would be seen as "cool" and "unhip", and well given what I went through with basic 'old school" beliefs regarding the Catholic church, I don't want to know what dissenting parents go through, they not only have to worry about the world but the people in the churches. Agree about bodies and Christians being the liberal temples of God.

Anonymous said...

#1 rule. Never believe anyone who says they "spoke with God". Paul said himself he was the last person to see the risen Christ "and last of all me, like one born out of due time". Peter says we have a more sure word of prophecy (scriptures), and places it above everything he witnessed....1 Peter 1:13 Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;

14 Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.

15 Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.

16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

Scott Wasinski said...

It is not a good idea to say "never believe anyone that says they spoke with God"

Prayer is speaking with God.

Reading His Word is speaking with God.

The Spirit of Christ in us (His anointing) teaches us all things. The scripture that you posted is not in the context as Paul stated that he was the last of the apostles that had seen Him at that time. YES, the Word of God is a more sure Word of prophecy Whereby we can test and prove all things unto. We need to rightly divide it in context and be taught of the Lord and not of various denominational teachers and theologians.

I would say that it is good to test anyone that says that they have seen the Lord. Even when someone says "the Lord spoke to me" I test the words that follow, very closely.

The Lord does speak to us through His Spirit. "My sheep hear my voice"

I'm not a robot (anymore:)