Sunday, October 23, 2016

Lutherans and Catholics Joining Together



There's a lot of Lutheran churches where I live. Many are nice people and I know a lot of them. Some of the churches are charitable and offer community dinners to the poor.  There's one church where the people are so friendly, I'd probably go there, if  Lutheranism wasn't false. I've had discussions with Lutherans around here, they don't like how I view Catholicism and say Catholics are Christians too. Their belief in the church and it's sacraments are as strong as the Catholics.

 The Reformation brought the Word of God out of Latin into regular people's language and other truths, but sadly was compromised from the start with false teachers like Calvin and others. Luther never gave up some Catholic basics, which are infant baptism and sacraments while getting rid of some Catholic deceptions like indulgences, purgatory and confession to a priest. I've witnessed to a few Lutherans, but that can be tough, around here many were born into their 100 or more year old Lutheran churches, they see me as the heretic, especially for not being in a church.   Most Lutheran churches are joined with the papacy in different ecumenical organizations. WELS and a few smaller off-shoots are the only exceptions. WELS even teaches that the Pope is the Antichrist, which I have written about as my belief, and warns about the ecumenical movement but sadly the heritage of Catholicism remains in Lutheranism so they have not gotten fully away from what they accurately label as "antichrist".

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Today you see the Lutherans joining with the Pope. Even the truthful warnings of their founder have been ignored. Sadly there seems to be evidence Luther was an "insider" from the start. They had a big chocolate statue of Luther at this ceremony. It's kind of creepy because the chocolate looks red, everyone is donning yellow and blue scarfs with the yellow color representing the papacy. I do not think Luther if he was still present in this world would appreciate this gesture. He looks like he will be choked by the scarf and literally eating a statue of someone doesn't seem respectful to that person beyond the idolatry issues.  Most Lutherans see the Pope as a "great man" and see Catholics as fellow "Christians". Sadly many of these are misled people in grave error.  The Pope when he asks "Who is better?" is using manipulation. It is the usual "truth doesn't matter" message.

Lutheranism is watered down Catholicism with a few Christian truths thrown in. It does not surprise me unity with the Pope is coming so naturally to many of their churches.

Lutherans

28 comments:

Anonymous said...

Agreed, if Luther had been real then he would not have been allowed to live. Calvin executed some who disagreed. - Don

Anonymous said...

I have always contended that Lutherans and Catholics had a lot in common. And yet they are supposed to be arch enemies due to the Reformation. It is not surprising that in this ecumenical climate that they would eventually come together.

Bible Believer said...

Agree Luther got to last a lot longer then others. Calvin too. Well I have seen hand signs in their portraits. I read some of the Lutheran's writings years ago.

Yes they have a lot in common, and they were presented as arch enemies but really are not.

Anonymous said...

I was Catholic until I married my husband, and then we joined his family church which was Missouri Synod Lutheran. I remember noting very little difference between the two when I started attending. Before we left, I had some very candid conversations with my pastor at that time, who supported Mariolatry, tried to bring a giant Crucifix into the church. He did not have much of an appreciation for me. I noticed also that the Lutheran church is on the same Liturgical calendar as the Catholic Church. What the readings were in one on any given weekend, they were in the other. We were in a church with mostly elderly folks. They were sweet people, but angry with us when we left. The older folks are tough, very set in their ways. Convinced that their infant baptism has saved them. Another thing I found interesting was that new hymnals seemed to be forced on different congregations from the synod, I have a couple friends who have since come out as well, they observed it too. This has been in the past few years. The hymnals incorporated more contemporary songs, ecumenical writings and out right Catholic prayers. I believe that will soon just meld back together, most people I know don't even know why there was a reformation in the first place. You simply go to church where your parents and grandparents went. Traditions of men.

Anonymous said...

After reading as much of luthers large catechism I could stomach it was obvious Lutheranism is Roman Catholicism minus the pope. He claims salvation is by grace through faith without works, but teaches baptism and the last supper are necessary for salvation and are not works.....james

Anonymous said...

My Lutheran mother in law, condemns with her mouth, those who have not had their babies baptized for she believes that baptism is a requirement for the soul to enter heaven. Her indoctrinated belief is that people must get their children/babies baptized as soon as possible otherwise they're going to hell.

This is not Scriptural to say the least. And when speaking of being born again by the Spirit of our LORD, she does not understand, nor comprehend because she believes that because she was baptized as a baby, she's going to heaven, and yet the fruits of her life do not life, repentance, humility, the fruits of the Holy Spirit, are not evident in her life. She attends a state 501c. 3 Lutheran church on a regular basis, and yet has no love for Jesus Christ and His children.

Anonymous said...

What is something is while those same people freak out about baptizing babies.... If you flat out ask them if a loving God would send a baby to hell, they will tell you no. At least the ones we have asked. They believe what they are told when it's convenient, but most people hold tight to it nonetheless.

I also meant to add that I foresee pope Francis allowing priests to marry, or grandfathering in married pastors, to allow for some of these shifts to happen soon. Although I could be wrong, the "celibate clergy" has always been part of Babylon. Will be interesting how that gets handled.

Heather

Scott Wasinski said...

It looks like the "mother church" is schmoozing up to one of her most influential daughters.
Revelation 17:5

Although I am undergoing the deprogramming process, I'm not a robot (anymore:)

Anonymous said...

I also want to clarify that my mother in law also stated to me that Muslims and Christians worship the same god/God. She attended a so called Bible study in our community where the female teacher of that particular study, has neighbors who are muslim. and are very close friends of hers. When I disagreed with my mother in law, she became angry and frustrated with me as she has spoken down to me for years and years, considering herself more knowledgeable than myself in the area of Scripture study. She attends Bible studies with women, failing to learn and understand rightly dividing the Word of God, following His Holy Spirit for guidance.

So while we see Lutherans and Catholics worshiping the same god, we also see a convergence of Islam entering the global religion, accepting Allah as another form of our Biblical LORD.

And church goers, my in-laws included, become very, very angry at those of us who chose to voice our opposition in presenting the darkness of these movements. It becomes very hurtful for when we do not agree with their form of religion, then personal attacks come out of their mouths as well as the lies and slander they share with their religious friends. They will hate the truth and believe the lies.

But they go to church every Sunday and let the pastors interpret the Holy Scriptures for them, instead of truly reading the Word for themselves and understanding the signs of our times. I pray continuously for God's protection over my soul on a daily basis, for there are times when you believe you are the only one who actually sees what is happening.

Thankful for your blog Bible Believer, for I know that we are truly not alone. God be with you and those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

Scott Wasinski said...

It's not just the Lutherans that are aligned with the RCC. The Democratic and Republican presidential candidates were lavishing their praises at the annual Jesuit Banquet the day after the last presidential debate. Check this video out : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZlgSjm9KIo

The question that I have is why would they allow this video footage to go public. It is obviously not to show the world, because as far as I know, this is not being covered by any of the lamestream presstitutes on CNN or FIX. It seems that they are proving to us that we are all under their control. So much for "doing your duty and casting your ballot"

I'm not a robot (anymore:)

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:53. Jesus said he came to bring division, and your comments are proof of that. The division always comes down to the Word of God. You have those who believe it, and those who don't. You should show her in 1 John where it says if you have not the Son, you have not the Father. God bless you.....James

Anonymous said...

Why in that video do they not show Trump getting booed when exposing Hillary's corruption? http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-trade-jokes-al-smith/story?id=42947939 Also, I understand some who see no hope for America and say the political process is a farce. We each have the right to our opinion and should follow God's leading. I do not see it that way and refuse to live without hope. Before others get all bent, yes my ultimate hope is in Christ Jesus. I prefer to think this election could be a start to end some of the Washington corruption and do believe that is why so any have come out against Trump. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tab5vvo0TJw (James 4:17) - Don

Anonymous said...

Thank-you James. Yes, those would be perfect verses to share, in love, with those who are believing the lie of duality, Christianity equals islam.

May our LORD Bless you as well.

anonymous 2:53

Eternally Home said...

allah =

a=arm
l=leg
l=leg
a=arm
h=head

Sounds like man is god! Muslims have the same narcissism and violence as Roman Catholicism does towards those who refuse to reject the truth in the Lord Jesus Christ and follow their Satanic ways. They want you to deny your faith as they use all the subtilty and craft of Satan to deceive the ignorant and the simple.

Roy

Anonymous said...

Don. I don't think it has anything to do with not having hope, but everything to do with where one places their hope. We as believers should keep our minds focused on that "blessed hope" which will arrive with the coming of Christ Jesus. I'm not ashamed to say I lost all "hope" or confidence in this present world......James

Anonymous said...

You will want to hear this from today; www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqQ2Twqg0eY - Don

Scott Wasinski said...

BB, I wanted to send you an email, but your link only goes through a Microsoft app that I am not signed up for, so I decided I'd Just post here.

You and I have been sounding the alarm to believers for years and have exposed many of the evils of the corporations that label themselves as "churches" I have a discussion that I started here https://disqus.com/home/channel/churchanotforprophetcorporation/discussion/channel-churchanotforprophetcorporation/persecution_or_breech_of_a_signed_contract_the_brass_taxes_about_the_501c3/

I was hoping that you would take a look at this discussion and the channel and give me your input. I just recently began this platform and am a novice, but I see the necessity of getting to the brass taxes of the matters that we are opposed to. your feedback is highly valuable to me. Thank you for all the work that you do. May the Lord continue to lead and bless you in all your efforts to wake the flock up;)

I'm not a robot (anymore;)

Anonymous said...

@James I do believe I clarified where my ultimate hope is and also think our confidence is in the same place. Follow God's leading in your life and I will do the same. We are two different people and will have two different paths. John 21:21-23 - Don

Bible Believer said...

I agree Lutheranism is a lot like Catholicism, looks like that Lutheran pastor was going down Emergent high way too. We have some charitable Lutherans in my town but sadly they stick to the same church calendar and sacraments like Rome. You are absolutely correct about that. I talk to a lot of Lutherans and sadly they believe their baptism has saved them and believe in a Catholic concept of church "membership", they will teach salvation by faith, but there is a lot of Catholic baggage and the communion is simply a lighter version of the Eucharist. I agree with you in many of these Protestant churches things became far more Catholic. The Emergent movement helped with that. I agree with James that Lutheranism is Roman Catholicism minus the Pope and they watered down a few sacraments like the Eucharist a little bit and cancelled out indulgences and Purgatory.
They do teach baptismal regeneration. Sadly that has many people believing they are on the way to heaven without ever being saved.
Heather I thought they would allow priests to marry by now, but I think it's just words at this point, it would be an affront to the homosexual power structure in the Vatican. I agree the Lutheran church is a daughter.

Not surprised Lutherans have adapted Allah of Islam is God too, Catholic teachings. I know a woman who teaches at a Muslim school and was in some kind of NAR church, moved to Episcopalian and definitely believes that way now. She is a kind lady and I have written Jesus is the only way on my FB, it's hard seeing people fall into the trap. They think they are loving people with these false beliefs, but it leaves them in spiritual danger. You are right about there being a convergence. Some of those joint Muslim Catholic events I warned about seemed to be growing in number. People do get angry and call you haters if you say Allah is not God. I'll pray for your son too anon, I know it's not easy.

Yes I saw the Jesuit dinner, schoomzing with the Catholic NWO, the Catholic church IS intertwined with our politicians. I may post a video soon Don provided.

Scott W, Ill check out your website later too. Thanks. 501 c 3 did change the churches.

Anonymous said...

BB, I think you will find this interesting; www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUkW1xdrPoc @6:00 right after Trump says we will return power to the people. Also, I did research his mannerisms and found his use of the 666/ok sign going back over 25 yrs. - Don

Anonymous said...

BTW, do not feel obligated to do a post on the Al Smith dinner because of me. - Don

Bible Believer said...

I probably missed the boat on it anyhow Don. I did find the video interesting but its kind of water under the bridge now, but thanks for sahowing me.

Not surprised with Trump on 666 sign. Disappointing, I know. I am leaning towards thinking they are going to put him in though I've been wrong before. A new American Brexit, the orthodox church theories as shared on the balkans partisan website. I know he says a lot I agree with against the endless wars and Obamacare, but sadly just can't trust him and know he is NWO. I keep thinking Obamacare has to be canceling Hillary's chances, because it's immediately hitting people's pocketbooks in most cases. Unless she steals the election.

Scott Wasinski said...

I can't see how anyone would not consider Tru,ps exhaustive use of the hand sign. Does it have anything to do with some sorcery that they pronounce over thier audience? People that watch him speak seem to believe his crap.

According to Hitlery's emails, Obamacare was intentionally set up to fail, so that the entire system can be transformed into the next phase. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulg_vL5bjcI


I'm not a robot (anymore;)

Scott Wasinski said...

Trump uses more hand signals than a deaf person's translator.

I'm not a robot (anymore;)

Anonymous said...

If she steals the election it is because God allowed it. He is still on the throne. I pray He will spare the remnant being under the thumb of this Jezebel and all the innocents who will be killed or suffer. But if it is His will to serve His purposes, so be it.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I really liked the post you did on the Al Smith dinner during the last election, as I was unaware of it. I do think Trump would have wore a Maltese Cross to the dinner if he was a Knight of Malta. My point on the video link was that he admits to being on the "other side" at one time and goes on to tell why he is doing what he is doing. The 666 sign I chalk up to a mannerism, as he has been doing that basically all his life. I know that I am not doing to change your view on Trump and you are not going to change mine. I will give Trump the benefit of a doubt and take him at his word until he proves himself to be a liar, as time will tell. - Don

Soldier of Jah said...

From a ABC News article regarding Pope Francis in Sweden to commemorate the 500 year anniversary of the Protestant Reformation.

"In alternating prayers in the Lund cathedral, the Catholic and Lutheran leaders lamented the divisions and guilt of the "WOUND" to Christianity and asked forgiveness for the deaths and pain that their divisions caused over history."

Revelation 13:3 (KJV)

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly WOUND was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Bible Believer said...

Don't forget the adventist ties to Rome. even closer then the Lutherans in some ways.

I don't see God having a hand in the acts of evil doers, but what was prophesized about the evil world system is coming true. I pray for the remnant too. I am worried see the election thread and comments.