Sunday, August 7, 2016

Why Does Steve Anderson Want to Arm Wrestle Women?



 I didn't use the word misogynistic so he probably meant someone else in this recent "sermon"....

but I do wonder if he saw this post.....

Women Treated Like Dirt in Some Fundamentalist Churches

One thing I would like to say....is not everything is a power game in this world. 

There are people who seek a decent life outside of a control and power matrix. Head of the household does not mean dictator. It means a man protecting and providing for a wife, and a family if they have children. There may be times when a couple disagrees where a man has to make a final decision and be a leader but it is not about the power games the patriarchialists are so in love with. I wear dresses, I am not legalistic about pants on women but choose personally not to wear them. I  cooked two meals for my husband today. Trust me the feminists would not have me either. I have no great glorious career to boast of and Gloria Steinem makes me nauseous.

He is foolish to challenge women to arm wrestle him. There is shows his focus on power and authoritarianism. He's a young man, hopefully most would out grow attitudes like this. Old age probably will bring that pride down a few notches. Everyone ages. Right there, we see his view of woman, as being "weaker" in a power mongering way but not the true different way. Not everyone who disagrees with him is a raving feminist.  I have written on this blog, women should not be in combat. What if he is sick in bed one day and has grown old or had a stroke. His wife may be the "stronger" one then? Also a grown woman is not a child to be corrected like a child.

I did arm wrestle a few guys jokingly as a young woman. Probably one or two let me win.  If I was 20-21 again since I was almost 6 feet tall, and as big and tall as most men and had past employment working with really tough violent youths, I may have taken on a challenge like that. "Sure I'll arm wrestle you" but honestly what would it mean even if I was young and strong again and could win the challenge. "Might makes right"? Doesn't he realize true leadership comes about from guidance not power and control? 

This kind of preaching actually innoculates non-believers against the gospel. He preaches in a way to create outrage. That's a major problem. Almost like the worse stereotypes of Christians to be fulfilled for the eyes of the world.

1 Peter: 5:3

Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock



58 comments:

Anonymous said...

What a foolish, ignorant man!
Why the Independent Baptists don't denounce him and kick him out of their organization boggles the mind.


Anonymous said...

If born again believers are to be the mouths, hands and feet of Jesus, I cannot imagine for the life of me (a born again Christ believing and following wo-man), that Jesus would ever confront a woman back in His day and say, "Just to let you know woman, how strong and manly I am, I'm going to "ARM WRESTLE" you just to prove it." Is this foolish speech the hot topic of sermon central these days within evangelicalism? Seriously?

It sounds to me like this man is actually a woman hater and needs to examine his heart to see if He is in the true faith of Jesus, the Christ, through the Word of God, in context. He also needs to examine the affairs of the world in that the breakdown of society/cultures is led 'by men' who blame women for the evil and wickedness that takes place. Our Scriptures are clear, the one beast system will be "LED" by 'the man of perdition," meaning male, who will seduce both male and female in the final days before Jesus' Glorious Second Coming.

I sat under a 'male dominated' ruling church for years, and I have to tell you, the sins of the pastor/leadership/elder/deacons (and deaconesses) with their authoritarian rule, were legion. And yet, they were so pleased with themselves in pointing out the sins and "correcting" the lower laity, without removing the log in their own eye/heart. And it was they who determined who was 'born again' and who was not a believer, according to their own worldly ways.

I am sorry, but this pastor needs to go out and get a real job and not be a hireling and burden to the people of God. I DO NOT want a man(?) like this ruling over me for his 'strength' is of his own power, not the Power of God.

Soldier of Jah said...

The visible Church is all over the place regarding roles of men and women in marriage. It is actually quite simple.

For men our example is Jesus
For women it's Sarah

Neither one fits the stereotype of what the Church teaches regarding roles of the sexes.

Jesus was compassionate, meek and humble while at the same time being strong and firm even rebuking his own mother.

Sarah called Abraham Lord and followed him wherever he went yet Abraham was told to listen to her.

It's a perfect balance, unfortunately both roles get perverted by Christendom.

It's ridiculous to the point they relegate women to children's ministry. I actually believe a woman can teach just not be an elder.

Anonymous said...

A woman can express her thoughts and opinions based on the Bible just as much as a man as long as she follows the Scripture in the manner in which we are all to conduct ourselves, extending grace to the hearers. God can give women inspiration through the Holy Spirit just as much as men. Men, however, have the greater onus to be leaders. She is just not supposed to take authority over a man. She is to have a different temperament and be used of God in a more nurturing way. Hence many women are in children's ministry. They are mothers for the most part although there can be single ladies who have a heart for children and children's ministry.

Again, Soldier speaks nonsense. But that should not surprise us as we know from whence he comes, a cult.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 11:18 PM "Why independent Baptists don't denounce him and kick him out of their organizations boggles the mind."

Interesting comment and I would have to agree with you, accept for the fact that I attended Baptist churches in the past and have actually encountered many a husband just like him! For I have heard men of his ilk say, and I quote:

"It's too bad women are allowed to vote because they are the reason our country is going down hill. Most women vote liberal, so if we had our way, women would still not be allowed to vote." And the emails I used to receive from so called godly Baptist/Pentecostal men concerning politics....it would make Jesus cry out, "You hypocrites, you brood of vipers!" They were absolutely disgusting emails concerning Democrats, full of filthy lucre. Yet, they considered themselves 'godly men.' Bleh!

Does this Steve Anderson really know our Savior and King, Jesus? Is this what Jesus would speak to us if He were fellowshipping with us today?

Steve Anderson, go and get a real job, please leave Christ's sheep alone.

Anonymous said...

Ah, Soldier of Jah,

My example is not Sarah, it's Jesus, the One of our Holy Scriptures. What religion do you speak of, for it's not the Way of Christ. To call another lord in place of Jesus Christ, is anti-Christ.

Anonymous said...

Agree about Anderson, very little love or compassion BB. @ SoJ, I disagree as Jesus Christ is our example for both men and women (Galatians 3:28). Sarah laughed at the Lord's word (Genesis 18) and then lied about it. She and Abraham did not let Pharaoh know the whole story, which is a lie (Genesis 12). - Don

Anonymous said...

Soldier of Jah. It is the SDA church that holds Ellen whites writings on par with the apostles and scripture. Was there ever a woman apostle? I don't believe as Anderson does on this issue, but it seems you might have a "horse in the race" on this issue.....James

Soldier of Jah said...

Of course Jesus is our ultimate example but the bible also uses faithful women and men as role models for us as well. To say otherwise reveals a lack of bible understanding. As far as accusations of being in a cult at least im not the whore's little harlot daughters. You hypocrites disrespect the Catholic Church yet believe in many of her doctrines. I won't challenge you to an arm wrestling contest but i would love for you to come to my blog and we can reason over doctrine. I have no problem defending all 25 of the SDA Pioneer fundamental principles. I don't even know if i use Ellen White on my blog pretty much all scripture unlike you tin foil hat conspiracy theorists.
1 Peter 3:4-6 (KJV)

4 but let it be the hidden man of the heart, in the incorruptible apparel of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 5 For after this manner aforetime the holy women also, who hoped in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection to their own [c]husbands: 6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose children ye now are, if ye do well, and are not [d]put in fear by any terror.

Anonymous said...

Soldier, I for one do not accept ANY of the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church which worships a false Christ. I try not to be a hypocrite. I hate hypocrisy.

You are correct on one thing. The Bible DOES give us role models in certain godly women and that does not in any way demean our responsibility to follow Christ.

HOWEVER, sir you are in a religion that believes in a false gospel of works. The SDA believes that if you do not do certain things that you will not be saved. They also believe in annihilation.

I have worked with precious SDA people and presented them with the true Gospel and when they "get it" that salvation is a free gift, that Jesus Christ paid it all, that we can't earn it, they are overjoyed. They don't have to follow certain dietary laws, they don't need to observe the Sabbath and certain laws surrounding that. Sabbatarianism is legalism. The entire SDA doctrine is focused on legalism. I have known people who have come out of that religion and are free from legalism. Christ abhorred legalism.

These new believers do not want to go out and sin - they want to please God, but not by a set of rules, but rather by the "Law" of love which our Lord set forth.

I pray that the Lord will open your eyes to the truth.

Anonymous said...

@SoJ You DO NOT have a meek and quiet spirit, as you have just proved. I will pass on the blog invitation. - Don

Anonymous said...

Color me confused. Soldier seems to think he can be both SDA and Anabaptist? Or that Anabaptists came from SDA?

Anyone else confused?

Bible Believer said...

It seems the IFB churches protect a lot of really outrageous pastors don't they. Remember Phil Kidd? Even if these churches are independent they do influence each other. Its interesting none of the others speak out. They all go to conferences and learn at the foot of deceivers. Even my old "good" IFB, the pastor had connections to Hyles Anderson. The more I thought about that, the more it bothered me too, and I liked that guy. How could he read those Jack Hyles books and not see problems with it?

I don't see Jesus either saying "Let's arm wrestle", this is all about power and control mongering and wickedness. I do not trust men too who want to physically combat women or treat them as other men to 'win" over via physical force. He has stepped away from a man's job in protecting women. Yes I am more traditional then him. I believe men are supposed to protect women not seek to harm them or enter physical combat zones with them. Even the unbelieving pagan Olympics has separate male and female sports though they are sneaking some transgenders in. So Anderson wants a sport between men and women of arm wrestling?

I think these hot shot preachers love to get attention, and we hear narcissistic blatherings from their pulpits. I do think he hates women too, and many of the unbelieving world that comments on him, sees it too. There is some ire against women there that is very deep seated. I agree he needs to examine the state of the world and how men will blame women for the state of the world and realize he sounds just like false religions like extreme Islam that wants to control the womenfolk and make sure they submit. Yes the antichrist will be a MAN.

The authoritarianism of these churches sickens me, notice how he goes on and on about whose in CHARGE. Its all a power and control gambit. The more authoritarian a church it seems the more abuses, and some of these churches have hid sex abuse and worse. They allow for open abuse of women and children. They teach to "beat" or browbeat everyone to keep them in line instead of leading by guidance and love. Yes they pontificate on high about everyone else's sins ignoring their own. Pastors who go on about sinful women are scary enough.

I agree he needs to go get a real job and stop burdening people of God. He is helping to innoculate nonbelievers against the gospel in promoting his false police state authoritarian women hating form of "Christianity".


He wants to "fight" the women under his own power. He crosses a line there, definitely.

Women are hurt by men who lord it over them physically and notice how his message is centered around women being demeaned for being physically weaker instead of that being a natural difference. Some women would be stronger then him. I would have been at age 20, but not now. There is no protective message of women there. It is all physical force vs. physical force. In the sickening apostate unbeliever world "Might makes right". He better examine his heart.


Bible Believer said...

Yes the politics are scary, the NWO and Republican brainwashing holds full sway. The Dominionists always teach put women in their place. There's a reason the Duggars treat women the way they do and do it in front of the entire country and are given media attention. It's all about obeying men. I didn't surprise me, that the Duggars behind the scenes had sex abuse happening in their circles, I still think only the very tip of that wicked iceberg has been revealed.

Bible Believer said...

Men and women are to follow Jesus not Sarah. Sarah was a fallible human being. She did sin as Don points out.

Reminds me of the Catholic church telling me to emulate saints.

SOJ doesn't know this but I lived for a time in a very SDA city, I know their outlooks in and out. It is a church very much like the Catholic one, with rules, and church membership directing salvation. I have read almost every book written by Ellen White. SDA was so common in one area I lived, most of the books on bible prophecy I was reading were from the SDA church during this time. I knew no better being UU, and exploring those things back then.

Ellen White's writings are definitely held on par with scripture. I still own some of the books, and it is deception right down the line. Ellen White added to scripture which is against the Bible. She warned of the sabbath on Sunday being the mark of the beast and othere confusions. They ignore the book of Colossians cherry picking their doctrines. I have a book from 1917 written by Uriah Smith right on my book shelf
"Daniel and the Revelation"

The Pioneer Fundamental principles contain endless errors too beyond the HUGE error of having a false female preacher and prophet leading your church. Yes SDA teaches a false gospel of works and church membership saving.

I have worked with some SDA people now. One lady, the legalism has almost turned her off Christianity for good. She tells me since the SDA church had rejected her, that God Himself has and I am trying to reach her.

Yes sabbatarianism is legalism and goes against this verse
Colossians 2:16-17 - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:

The dietary laws are immense, I have seen SDA food stores where not one strip of meat was in the place not even a piece of fish. So rereading the scripture above....they go totally against the bible even in outlawing meat. Jesus Himself ate meat.

The so called mainstream SDA churches all practice the dietary laws. They are more extreme then Mormons. It is a very legalistic world.

I pray for people to be set free from that legalistic system including SOJ. While many SDA people are "nice" people as I have communicated with many, they are in a false church. They do not know true salvation in Christ clinging to a false church system that makes it as much about the rules as Rome.

I have noticed the mainstream SDA is ecumenical as any other of the harlots. I am not impressed with someone being in an offshoot of a rotten root. It's like WELS compared to ELCA, while they are more conservative, they still have the roots of false teachings in Lutheranism.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2011/08/seventh-day-adventist-church-another.html

It's like the Trad Catholic SOJ, they left the mainstream body realizing some of the evils, but they are still stuck in the same false system. Same goes for you.

Anonymous said...

@Soj Is it 25 SDA Pioneer fundamental principles because you do not like 3 of them or are you just out of touch with your works cult? https://www.adventist.org/fileadmin/adventist.org/files/articles/official-statements/28Beliefs-Web.pdf - Don

Anonymous said...

Anonymous on August 9, 2016 at 3:12 pm,

Alleluia and Amen! Thank-you for giving the life saving Gospel to the SDA's and others and setting those captives free! God bless you.

Anonymous said...

God bless you Bible Believer as you reach out to that SDA woman. Praying she will open her heart and know how much Jesus loves her without all of the legalistic oppression that has been instilled in her.

Your description of SDA sounds very much like the oppressive religion a couple of power hungry women in my neck of the woods have within the church system, in particular, charismatic circles (they believe Assembly of God churches know Jesus better than the rest of us, doctrinally speaking.) These women believe we are only to worship Jehovah on the Hebrew Sabbath, observe the feasts of the Jewish people, pray for the geopolitical nation of Israel constantly, and abide by dietary laws (they really hate pork!) The have been accepting the doctrines of demons from the Hebrew Roots movement and pushing it on the rest of us, all the while declaring that they know God 'better' than the rest of us. And when I mentioned to one of the influential (she was a deaconess and on the church board as well)women of the Scriptures found in the New Testament that counter their jewish movement, her response was, "Well then, I guess I won't cast my pearls before swine."

So was she calling me a swine? And what pearls of wisdom did she have other than the fact that she is totally deceived. These same woman also travel to sit under a Jewish Rabbi for instruction on Saturday evenings at a nearby location. So when I mustered up the courage to ask her if that Rabbi knows that Jesus is his LORD and Savior, her response was, "No, this Rabbi hasn't accepted Jesus as his Savior, BUT, he does know God much better than we do." So, this teacher, a false one at that, was not saved and yet these blind women still chose to follow this man.

Amazing, just amazing. May God open their eyes and ears to the truths of Jesus. Seems like false religions love to ignore His teachings.

Soldier of Jah said...

Don, You talk about being meek, but then talk about SDA works cults. Let's face it, we both work on being more meek. Many that come on this blog aren't exactly meek when critical of churches they disagree with.

I am not part of the mainstream SDA GC Churches. Here is the original 25 fundamental principles of the Seventh-day Adventist Pioneers established in 1872

http://www.thethirdangelsmessage.com/fundamental_principles.php

Bible Believer said...

Why be meek when warning of false churches?

There is a time for boldness and a time for meekness.

Errors found in those fundamentals...[remember nothing good can come out of a rotten root]

"the unconscious state of the dead, and the final destruction of the unrepentant wicked;"

Soul sleep is a dangerous teaching, already most nonbelievers think they just die and rot and know nomore and find solace in this for their unbelief.

"in the observance of the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath of the Lord, and in many applications of the prophetic scriptures."

We quoted the Colossians verse that says no judging upon the day of the sabbath and on meat, they directly break that from the bible.

"V. That the new birth comprises the entire change necessary to fit us for the kingdom of God, and consists of two parts: first, a moral change, wrought by conversion and a Christian life; second, a physical change at the second coming of Christ, whereby, if dead, we are raised incorruptible, and if living, are changed to immortality in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye. John 3:3, 5; Luke 20:36."

They get salvation totally wrong here, it is not a moral change but a change via the Holy Spirit indwelling....it is by faith not by moral rules or precept. Eternal life comes via salvation, it is not salvation itself.
continuing...

Bible Believer said...

"that these prophecies are now all fulfilled except the closing scenes."

A little Preterist here, but I suppose its for the confusion.


"for until the Lord appears the papal power, with all its abominations, is to continue, the wheat and tares grow together, and evil men and seducers wax worse and worse, as the word of God declares."

So your offshoot isn't ecumenical with the Pope but the rest of them are. Problem is Ellen White's freemasonic ties and roots already tie her to the Pope of her time.

"IX. That the mistake of Adventists in 1844 pertained to the nature of the event then to transpire, not to the time; that no prophetic period is given to reach to the second advent, but that the longest one, the two thousand and three hundred days of Dan. 8:14, terminated in that year, and brought us to an event called the cleansing of the sanctuary."

So false prophecy is just a "mistake"? Biblical mandates for false prophecy are a bit moe severe then that.

"XII. That the fourth commandment of this law requires that we devote the seventh day of each week, commonly called Saturday, to abstinence from our own labor, and to the performance of sacred and religious duties;"

Ignores New Testament. The law is shadow of things to come etc etc....
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Bible Believer said...



"XIII. That as the man of sin, the papacy, has thought to change times and laws (the laws of God), Dan. 7:25, and has misled almost all Christendom in regard to the fourth commandment, we find a prophecy of a reform in this respect to be wrought among believers just before the coming of Christ. Isa.56:1, 2, 1 Pet. 1:5, Rev. 14:12, c."

More deception here claiming the mark of the beast is Sunday worship. Days of the week are all linguistically limited and named after pagan gods as it is.

"XIV. That as the natural or carnal heart is at enmity with God and his law, this enmity can be subdued only by a radical transformation of the affections, the exchange of unholy for holy principles; that this transformation follows repentance and faith, is the special work of the Holy Spirit, and constitutes regeneration or conversion."

Faith comes first then repentance.

"XVII. That God, in accordance with his uniform dealings with the race, sends forth a proclamation of the approach of the second advent of Christ; and that this work is symbolized by the three messages of Rev. 14, the last one bringing to view the work of reform on the law of God, that his people may acquire a complete readiness for that event."

What about the rest of Revelation?


"XIX. That the grave, whether we all tend, expressed by the Hebrew sheol and the Greek hades, is a place of darkness in which there is no work, device, wisdom, nor knowledge. Eccl. 9:10."

Per the above, nonbelievers revel in annihilation too. It's why so many remain unconvicted. "I will just cease to exist and it will not matter"

"XX. That the state to which we are reduced by death is one of silence, inactivity, and entire unconsciousness. Ps. 146:4; Eccl. 9:5, 6; Dan. 12:2, c."

Breaks Hebrews 13:5. How can God always be with us, if we are abandoned after death and become as NOTHING. Think this one through. Have you almost died and felt the fear of "no longer existing"? I did as an atheist. Honestly any atheist who faces death feels this terror. So why does your religion expound this?

" to Heaven, to the New Jerusalem, the Father’s house, in which there are many mansions, John 14:1-3, where they reign with Christ a thousand years, judging the world and fallen angels, that is, apportioning the punishment to be executed upon them at the close of the one thousand years;"

Confused by some of the theology here. They reject the millennium on earth? Funny the modern SDAs teaches one if I am not mistaken. Hmmm here they seem to say everyone goes back to earth from heaven and a new heaven and earth are made...thats WEIRD:

"XXV. That new heavens and earth shall spring by the power of God from the ashes of the old, to be, with the New Jerusalem for its metropolis and capital, the eternal inheritance of the saints, the place where the righteous shall evermore dwell. 2 Peter 3:13; Ps. 37:11, 29; Matt. 5:5."

Oh read this article if you missed it about the Anti-Trinitarianism
http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2015/09/too-many-odd-beliefs.html

Bible Believer said...

When looking for fellowship, I met a housecleaner, who was part of an SDA home church, I was excited to hear about a home church but knew it was far gone when I found out it was SDA and they wre actually getting into the Jewish feasts and Hebrew Sabbath. There can be an odd marriage or similiarity between Hebrew Roots errors and SDA most definitely. Thanks for the prayers regarding the SDA lady.

The dietary laws are endless in SDA.

"Health and diet[edit]
Since the 1860s when the church began, wholeness and health have been an emphasis of the Adventist church.[32] Adventists are known for presenting a "health message" that recommends Christian vegetarianism and expects adherence to the kosher laws in Leviticus 11. Obedience to these laws means abstinence from pork, shellfish, and other animals proscribed as "unclean". The church discourages its members from consuming alcoholic beverages, tobacco or illegal drugs (compare Christianity and alcohol). In addition, some Adventists avoid coffee, tea, cola, and other beverages containing caffeine.

Sanitarium products for sale
The pioneers of the Adventist Church had much to do with the common acceptance of breakfast cereals into the Western diet, and the "modern commercial concept of cereal food" originated among Adventists.[33] John Harvey Kellogg was one of the early founders of Adventist health work. His development of breakfast cereals as a health food led to the founding of Kellogg's by his brother William. In both Australia and New Zealand, the church-owned Sanitarium Health and Wellbeing Company is a leading manufacturer of health and vegetarian-related products, most prominently Weet-Bix."

Health food stores and other nutritional organizations are BIG in SDA. There is even some overlap with the naturopathy world and edges of the New Age nibbling around it all.

Sorry that woman called you a swine, many legalists will give a false name to Christians. She has become a Judazier. The fact she finds no problem in going to a Jewish rabbi who rejects Jesus Christ, tells you everything you need to know about her. We see that with the Hebrews Roots types hanging out with Jesus-rejecting rabbis.

Anonymous said...

The place to start with SDA folks is not getting into their false doctrine and laws. The place to start with any false religion is with the true and complete Gospel. The SDA has a false gospel. Determine what they are basing their salvation on and it will no doubt be works of some kind. Use verses such as Galatians 2:21. It kills works in its tracks. The works have to be destroyed and when that happens the light goes on- the Holy Spirit- and they can see the true Gospel. They can then be truly saved and other truth can be revealed to them.

This works with Roman Catholics as well. They are a works-based religion.

The reference made to the relationship between SDA and Hebrew Roots is quite interesting. There is this strange connection and both are false and put people right back under the law.

Soldier of Jah said...

1 John 2:1-7 (KJV)

1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

Soldier of Jah said...

Matthew 5:17-19King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Anonymous said...

Thank-you Bible Believer for research regarding SDA's. Their dietary laws are similar to some of the Mormon food restrictions as well, so they have much in common. Why don't these people just throw out the whole New Testament (New Covenant) and practice ALL of the laws from the Old Covenant instead of just picking and choosing the ones they believe will make them holy.

I just don't get it, for they are missing Christ Jesus and making captives unto themselves.

Anonymous said...

Soldier's quoting of Matthew 5:17 needs clarification.
Christ came to FULFILL the law by grace and His sacrifice on the cross.
The principles of the Ten Commandments are repeated throughout the New Testament.
Before Christ, disobeying the Law meant a death sentence.
We are no longer under the Law, but under grace.
This does not mean that we can lie, murder, covet, commit adultery with no consequences. But sinful man can come to the Savior and find forgiveness and newness of life. From that point onward, he has the Holy Spirit to convict of sin and we have Christ as our High Priest to forgive us. It is a whole different situation than when Moses brought down the tablets from the mountain. Christ changed it all.

This should be of special interest to Soldier. Nine of the Commandments are repeated in the NT, with an important distinction --they are not given as law (with penalty attached). but as TRAINING in rightiousness for the people of God. (2 Tim. 3:16). The one commandment NOT repeated is the SABBATH Law. Christians are NEVER taught to keep the Sabbath (the 7th day of the week, Saturday.)

The ministry of the law to unsaved people has not ended. The law is for the unrighteous, not those who have been made righteous through Christ Jesus. The Christian life has a higher standard than a list of rules. Christ said that is LOVE. If we love with the love of Christ we will not want to hurt others which is what the sinful acts listed in the Ten Commandments do - hurt others.

This is a concept those trapped in legalism find hard to understand. I sincerely hope Soldier will think on these things and ask the Lord to reveal to him the truth.

Anonymous said...

Soldier's quoting of the verses in 1 John also require clarification verse 4 which he would have us believe the Ten Commandments are for Christians today.

Yes, they are in one sense. HOWEVER in a very different way than they were meant in the Old Testament. John does NOT imply that the Christians are to focus on obeying the Ten Commandments. Rather Christians should DESIRE to obey the principles of the Commandments. If one says he is a Christian and then lies, kills or commits the other sin, he is not a true Christian. True Christians will sin, but will feel rotten about it because they have dishonored the Father, not that they will lose their salvation.

Soldier, can you see the difference?

Anonymous said...

SOJ,

I respect you as a human being, however your use of Scriptures regarding the "law" under the New Covenant is not used in context. That very same verse that you quote here was used as a Scriptural hammer by a Hebrew Roots deaconess in my former Baptist church. She and her husband were also powerful members on the church board and deeply involved in the signs and wonders/mysticism apostasy now a staple in most churches. Her argument was using this verse to state we are STILL under the Old Covenant laws, except those regarding the temple as that was destroyed and their false religion is excited about the third temple being rebuilt and sacrifices being practice once again by the Jewish people.

So I just had to ask here, as I read and study the Scriptures as well, "Why then are we not stoning the adulterers in this day and age?" She herself birthed a child out of wedlock and did not marry the baby's father, but another man. So how does this case scenario work in relationship to the OT laws?

And as far as breaking the commandment, believers and followers of Jesus Christ STILL break the commandments and still SIN. This is one of the reasons it is so difficult to witness to unbelievers as they see no difference in the behavior/lifestyles of those who claim to be Christians/Christ followers verses those we label as reprobate, pagan, heathens, and unbelievers.

One reason is because of the practice of true heart repentance. Repentance for the most part is NOT exhibited nor practiced within the visible church. How many times have we ever heard the words, "I am sorry" when we sin against one another. Complete silence here. So how then, when we don't feel sorry for our own sins, can we become right with our Father in Heaven when we aren't confessing our sins to Him, let alone to one another. I have never ever heard a testimony of repentance during the 'testimony, praise and blessing time." Never. I have never heard a pastor repent in front of the congregation over sins he has done in causing God's sheep to suffer.

If we are going to honor the Sabbath Law and a few dietary laws here and there SOJ, well then, the people better be abiding by all six hundred and some laws. So what good then, was Jesus dying on that tree and raised from the dead in three days to all who don't accept His free gift?

A false gospel is not The Gospel.

Anonymous said...

Romans 3:19-26, ponder verse 20. - Don

tsisageya said...

Oh sorry. I spoke wrong.

Anonymous said...

I don't know the background of Steven Anderson that led him to this point in his life and molded his views. Therefore, I cannot and will not judge his heart - only God has the right to do that.

I hope that he is not so jaded and steeped in his error that he cannot come to his senses and be transformed by the Holy Spirit.

We who are saved were once dead in our trespasses and sins. We were all disgusting in the sight of our holy Lord. Anderson is harming people. May God deliver him from his wicked ways from darkness to light. May someone go to him and confront him in a Biblical way about his error.

Anonymous said...

To tsisageya,

Thank-you for the great laugh this morning, the LORD knows how I needed that. God Bless you beyond words.

I can't listen to Steven Anderson without laughing as well. He is a mockery to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 5:41 a.m. I do not find anything to laugh about when someone uses obscene language and calls another person disgusting. The Bible is clear about using such language.

If you find Steven Anderson humorous, do you think our holy God smiles? What about the people he is harming? It is no laughing matter and to state it as such is a cause for concern. Should we not be GRIEVED? Sin GRIEVES our Lord and Savior and it GRIEVES the Holy Spirit. It should also GRIEVE us.

Soldier of Jah said...

Soul sleep dangerous,really? It's more like the other way around. The bible nowhere teaches that man has an immortal soul and this false teaching actually promotes spiritualism and has led to all these false movies and books about people dying and going to heaven and hell and coming back to talk about it and spread their deceptions. It wasn't soul sleep that inspired this but the belief in the natural immortality of the soul. The bible likens death to a sleep.Jesus certainly did.

We see here that Jehovah gives the Son of God those who would be become born again. When we come to believe on Christ as the Son of God, it is because the Father drew us to his Son. The Father gave us (Christians) to Jesus Christ his only begotten Son. Jesus states in the below passage that he will lose nothing the Father gave to him and that those the Father gave to him will be raised at the last day. (Ressurection). Some very important truths are here in this passage.

1. Pre Trib Rapture shown to be false as ressurection of the dead is at the last day which precedes the translation of the 144,000 (symbolic number or literal) living Saints. The living Saints go through the time of Jacob's trouble. The translation (rapture) according to scripture cannot precede the resurrection of the dead Saints which clearly from scripture is at the last day and is clearly a deliverance from the time of Jacob's trouble not before it happens in a secret rapture.

2. State of the dead - This passage is also a clear refutation of the natural immortality of the soul and that disembodied souls go to heaven at death. Notice Jesus words "I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day"

If disembodied souls went right to heaven at death shouldn't Jesus have rather said:

"I should lose nothing, but should gain them back when they die and come to heaven"

Jesus faith of losing nothing (Christians) his Father gave him is placed in the resurrection hope, not disembodied souls going to heaven.

John 6:39 (KJV)

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Soldier of Jah said...

The hope of the Christian is the ressurection of our bodies (into incorruption) at the last day not instantaneously going to heaven at death as a disembodied soul.

John 6:44 (KJV)

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Soldier of Jah said...

Being granted eternal life is connected with the resurrection of our bodies at the last day not flying to heaven at death as disembodied souls.

John 6:54 (KJV)

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

tsisageya said...

Thank you nony. I often preach to NEVER start cussing because it's so hard to stop. I made a vow to stop cussing, but still my mind says things automatically and I always have to apologize...to the Lord, and to others. Thank you for laughing!

Grammy G said...

Soldier, are you a Jehovah's Witness? It sounds as though you might be. Bless your heart for your passion of what you believe in, but you are sadly mistaken about the soul not being eternal. From Genesis to Revelation, the soul and spirit are lively, though the physical body returns to the earth. The soul and spirit are eternal, though not eternal as is God whom is from the beginning. But we all are made in His image to live eternally, hopefully in relationship with Him.

I completely agree with you about this fact being mis-used by many false teachers, preachers and money hungry individuals to gain fame or fortune. To tell their story instead of God's. But, we must not allow their deception to lead us astray as to what God's Word does say. To teach that the soul/spirit somehow perishes is false doctrine, in the same way that pergatory is false.

Blessings to you!

Bible Believer said...

Cleaning up some of the comments, sometimes I am too fast approving, you don't see the whole comment where we approve them. Tsis, glad you apologized, but try and watch the cussing. I don't need Steve Anderson, seeing the language here, and finding this place and calling us a bunch of hell-bound cussers. Well you know that won't help our case anyhow.

Bible Believer said...

Soldier of Jah, serious questions why do you have to wait for the last day if you have entered eternity?

One is supposed to be outside of time then.

Bible Believer said...

He's an SDA though in an offshoot.

There is overlap with both, the root is Millerite with both.

tsisageya said...

No, BB. We wouldn't want to offend Steven Anderson, would we? Goodbye.

Bible Believer said...

Soul sleep is the same as what those atheists I posted about believe in. You die, you are dead and know nothing more. You cease to exist same as you did in 1830.

What about this verse?

1 Corinthians 15:53King James Version (KJV)

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Matthew 10:28 is a good source verse too. The devil can destroy a soul, to be hellbound but here you teach God is going to "destroy" a soul, make it cease to exist for a set time.

Let's say that God doesn't end the world for 10,000 more years, [hypothetical I believe it will be sooner] and someone is raised that far in having known or been nothing. It makes no sense to me.

I don't believe in pretrib rapture.

If I die and "God" has abandoned me to the grave for 10,000 years then Hebrews 13:15 is broken, I have been abandoned and "left".If you stretch this argument and say No God is still with you, well "I" no longer exist.

Your theology is as scary as the atheists where I say you die and rot and your brain is goop in the grave.

Bible Believer said...

Now I know you are just messing with me. Tsis. I am sure you can go leave him comments if you want. I'm the one who posted against his teachings in the first place, so now you are just acting confusing, and kind of like a shill. LOL I could be talking to mostly fakes here all day, don't think I know it. Sigh.

Anonymous said...

BB, tsis or whoever she is the 62 year old, should be concerned about offending the LORD with her language and calling someone a derogatory vulgar name. But when you gently correct her she doesn't receive it.

She is either a crank or as you say, a shill or whatever, she doesn't belong here anyway. Good riddance.

Soldier of Jah said...

Grammy,

Im not a Jehovah Witness, that is a very dangerous religion. They deny the literal Sonship of Christ and equate him with Angelic beings. They also deny the physical resurrection of Christ.

Soldier of Jah said...

Even David, a man after God's own heart hasn't ascended up to heaven.

Acts 2:25-35 (KJV)

25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

Anonymous said...

Soldier continues to take verses out of context and refuses to address comments in regard to other scriptures he quoted. He is not teachable, but set in his ways and is not interested in listening.

Bible Believer said...

Yeah there's a point where you know the message isn't going to get through. Praying. That's all we can do.

Thanks anon at 5:55...

Anonymous said...

Nothing but chaos here. Keep trying.

Somewhere I said, "God, our Father is sovereign.' Calm down.

Anonymous said...

My bible tells me that God is a God of the living, this being the case, how can one believe "soul sleep"? They know of the scriptures that say that God is a God of the living, but deny it by not believing it. They make up the term "soul sleep" becasue they don't want to teach contrary to scripture out in the open. "Soul sleep" sounds more palatable than soul death. It's all confusion, and is not the author of confusion. To be SDS one has to do serious scriptural gymnastics, and "wresting". I agree with BB. Meekness is not always the way to go when refuting false doctrine, it all depends on who you're talking to. Meekness doesn't work on an apologist, but foul language is never acceptable.....James

Scott Wasinski said...

Not sure why my comment wasn't posted on the thread. I know it could not have been nearly as antagonistic as SOJ's SDA doctrines of falsely interpreting the scriptures to fit their agenda and doctrines. Oh well. If it gets rejected, then what's the point of being here? This entire generation has been so ill wahsed in the brain to think that women and men are equal. We are not equal, but we are equally valued. I have and will pray for you BB. I do know that the time is shorter than most any of us are comfortable with. But we have been made to walk the earth for such a time as this. Let us walk in the grace that the Lord God gives for us to see us through the coming trials of this temporary life. May He guide you and strengthen you.

Soldier of Jah said...

Man doesn't have a Soul, he is a Soul!

Anonymous said...

You're right, Bible Believer. I was wrong to be so careless, and share it. You're not wrong at all. I'm stupid. (Please don't tell my children I said that. They will argue.) I'm so sorry I caused a ruckus. Please forgive me? I mean it.

Anonymous said...

BB, please do not let Soldier of Jah continue to bring in his cults beliefs. He will not listen and it is just annoying. It is your blog and you can do whatever you choose, but he is beyond reasoning and is only interested in promoting his cult's false doctrines. It only causes confusion. All we can do is pray for him.

Anonymous said...

Soldier. The verse you attributed to David was fulfilled by Jesus Christ. Again, if "soul sleep" was real, then how did Abraham rejoice and was glad in seeing the days of Jesus Christ? According to Ellen white Abraham should not have been able see anything. Scripture says it is appointed for man to die once, then judgment. It doesn't say die, "soul sleep", then judgement. It is our body that will be raised up in the last day. Read 1 COR. 15 where Paul likens the dead body to a planted seed. It's buried in one state, and rises in another, or "glorified".......James .