Monday, January 4, 2016
IFB Churches: Are They Daughters of Rome as Well?
Some may be shocked at this question or maybe not since many like me who read here have come to the conclusion the entire church system is false. This includes the independent fundamentalist Baptist church system.
I know some of my readers may even attend IFB churches. I'm not going to put you down. I hope I don't upset you with this train of thought. It's getting woefully hard out there to find any good Christian fellowship. There are some rare independent churches perhaps where one can speak some truth and still grow, and well others where, that is over with long ago. There are places that have sincerely born again pastors. Go where God leads you. As you all know I have left the church system. I am done now even the independent fundamentalist Baptist churches. At this conjecture, going back is not happening. Sometimes it's hard, this can be a lonely road.
I kept thinking about some things though...having visiting several IFB churches and watched a lot of their services online, why are so many of them the SAME? You would think INDEPENDENT would bring DIFFERENCES? Many of the pastors are educated via the same series of bible schools and seminars. Even my first IFB pastor yes went to Hyles Anderson college and returned for seminars. Him and his wife visited the First Baptist Church of Hammond years ago. I didn't known of those things regarding that false church until after moving away and starting this blog. There I read some of the crazy doctrines for myself that Hyles taught. His books always bothered me. The scandals via Jack Schaap later came to light. I don't think I even discussed this even here, because it was painful to face these things. I would ask myself, "Why didn't that pastor see through those deceivers?"
Even though I liked this pastor and enjoyed this church family, the me of today is a different person. Would the me of today be able to fit in that church again even though the people were more friendly and more kind to the poor? Probably not. Even there I disagreed with that pastor in his praise for G.W. Bush in 2004 and sought to tell him the truth and wrote him a letter. He apologized for getting so political in church and we worked things out. I told him once, that most churches were falling away and many were leaving the church system, and he disagreed with this saying one must be a member of a new testament church. He warned me not to listen to deceivers online saying that false teachers were preaching to leave the church system. I still have friendly contact with him and other church members long distance but they all celebrate mainstream holidays from Halloween to Christmas. I can't tell people what to do but it bothers me. All still vote Republican even with my warnings of ten years ago. No, I would not fit there today.
One thing I have faced is culturally I never "fit" in the IFB world too. Spiritually I have walked out the door. No longer will I be trying to fit a square peg into a round hold. A person becomes born again, and is lead to love for God's Word and wants to find a place that seeks after truth. If you know certain things, and listen to a guy rant for tithes and go on about how the Rapture will rescue us all from suffering, it gets really old after a time.
I felt I had no other choice in churches since only IFBs preach against the ecumenical movement. A few other churches do too, but they are cults like SDA off-shoots or sacramental and liturgical like WELS. In wanting a church, to me, they were kind of the only game in town. What other choice was there? Who among us doesn't want fellowship with other Christian believers? Even the 1 percent of churches that "officially" denounce Rome really serve Rome as well. Organized religion is a racket.
Just like the Christmas thing where the pressure to conform is so great, I run into people who know it is pagan and sun-worship who still celebrate it, the pressure to find a good church for like minded people is out there too. I was out of all churches for several years but made an attempt to re-enter another one, only to see the false teachings reach to the ceiling. I am weary even from my years of trying to talk to people in my old church family about what I discerned, only to be ignored. Many were friendly and nodded and smiled but didn't want to be a "weirdo" like me I guess.
Culturally I was too poor and didn't have the white picket fence or the "nice" family to really fit into IFB churches. A lot of things I overlooked like the constant cry for women to obey husbands and even in my good IFB, the women there told me, I had to obey my husband, and this pastor's wife passed out the book Fascinating Womanhood. The sharp edges of the patriarchy movement were in all the IFBs I attended. It was even there to a degree in the Calvary Chapel I visited for a short time. At the time, I knew the bible did teach a role of leadership for men in the home so had no issue with that but have only grown more disturbed realizing what I do about the Patriarchy movement. It is a movement to sanction abuse of women. Don't forget the Duggars are "officially IFB". I was around homeschooling parents all over the place and people who even dabbled in Quiverful. My life didn't match theirs at all. I was an outliner from the very get-go.
Among some of them, not all, my past in the UU and Catholic church seemed to taint me. My old IFB had a few born again converts in it, so I wasn't as lonely there, but the rest I visited or attended, most were part of entrenched families and had been "born" within the church just the same as the Catholic one.
One thing to be observed is these INDEPENDENTS have just as much of a hierarchy system, and overseers, except it is much more informal. The pastors are going to fundamentalist bible colleges instead of seminaries, but there are still the lauded "star pastors" and ones who write books. The big whigs from Bob Jones to Rice would be the "bishops". They definitely have their freemasonic and luciferian infiltrators paying homage to the politicians too. All of the big whigs were slavish defenders of the Republican system.
Some time ago I wrote "My Questions about IFBs and Baptists"
I wrote this list of things within the IFB I disagreed with: I still disagree with these things
"Many IFB churches teach these things I do not agree with and have exposed on this blog:
1. Dispensationalism. [a Pre-Trib Rapture] This is the majority by far.
2. Christian Zionism. Some stress this more then others.
3. Dominionism. This has grown even more in the churches from what I have personally seen.
4. Only some teach this but it's growing out there: The Patriarchy Movement.
5. Support of the Police state, Skewing of Romans 13 and Jingoism.
7. Pastor Networks that don't seem any different from the rest of the churches.
9. The One Man Show. [some of course are better then others on this one, allowing other men to preach, elder system
The other day I had the thought, that even with the war mongering from the pulpits I saw myself, the IFBs are serving Rome. How? Their love of war and Christian Zionism works too for the agendas of Rome and the Antichrist. The blood lust spoke for itself. There was nothing Christian about that day when I sat there hearing the pastor's son who had been in Iraq glorying in murder for the globalist state. To be frank, in the war support alone, most IFBS are serving the freemasonic and luciferian masters. That day still gives me nightmares. A blond man at the pulpit, gleefully speaking of killing. His brother with his veteran's thousand yard stare sits in the pulpit eyes remaining straight ahead. I think there is a reason three of the pastor's sons have gone to the Middle East to wage war on the "infidels".
The Dominionism, Pre-Trib Rapture, false millennial teachings too also serve the interests of Rome and Babylon. No longer could I sit there listening to this nonsense. There were years where I hoped to have communication and wanted those personal relationships. I noticed as the years passed by the churches got more controlling, all Bible studies in this area were under the direct supervision of the pastors. There was no questioning allowed or discussing even the bible in depth among ourselves.
I have realized even if an IFB pastor and church speak against Roman Catholicism as a false religion and the Pope himself, it doesn't mean they are not serving a set role from Babylon headquarters. The entire list above, are orders on high from the Pope. Christian Zionism serves the role of supporting the building of the Antichrist's future world headquarters.
I have for years been concerned about other trends in the IFB
1. Child sexual abuse and other abuses. "Breaking the will of the child" No, not every IFB attender is a child abuser. Some pastors are decent sorts, but I even read for myself the crazy books written by Jack Hyles in my good IFB that constantly spoke of "Breaking the will of the child". I disagreed with the man but didn't realize these were widely held opinions. I never saw out and out abuse in the churches I attended but I noticed the love for totalitarian government in the Dominionist world was spilling out into an overall authoritarian theme. This is what led me to write the Oppression of Youth article.
2. The weird schools and abusive homes and rest for children. Hezbipah House would be one chief among them. Even the weird rules of the bible colleges and more bothered me. The Catholic church had its Magdalene Laundries, the IFB had Hezbipah House and other weird oppressive institutions. Josh Duggar is even supposed to be in some creepy IFB punishment center called Reformers Unanimous.
3. The brain dead Republicanism got worse. It didn't get better. Even if Obama is wicked, it doesn't make the other side "good". Every IFB I ever have been in, subscribed to the brain dead Republicanism. After I move, I never met one "new world order" aware person ever again in real life. Online, I meet them all the time and here too but in the churches it was political brain dead city. The pastors continued the Babylon ordered rants against Muslims, and war mongering and praised astrology loving Ronald Reagan as a political saint.
4. The pastor centered churches, where the world of the church revolved around the pastor. I saw this in the last one. Four families in the church were his relatives. Even if your pastor doesn't break out the funny hats and long robes, if the shows on him, he's doing the exact same thing as any bishop or priest.
5. No IFB I ever have seen has taught against Christmas and/or Easter or other false holidays. They follow the same sun false church calendar as Rome too in celebrating these holidays. The holidays that follow the "heavens" celebrating the solstices every year speak of whom these people really worship.
6. The off-beat ones, many seemed "owned" and controlled mixing truth with lies. Think Steven Anderson.
7. Every IFB I have ever visited has the Dominionist Christian flag in it. The last one did too.
The control matrix of the IFBs for the politicians and world controllers work the same as they do in other false churches.
I'm out for good now. I have given up my dream of finding an independent "good" Christian fellowship or church. I never want to attend an IFB again either. Who knows what the future holds but right now I consider IFB churches daughters of Rome too. Sorry if this offends you but it's true. Maybe some will be offended at this article. I know it is a risky one to write even knowing some readers are still within IFB churches.
Rev 18 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
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