Thursday, November 5, 2015

My Days as an Atheist

I used to be an atheist.

Anyone reading my testimony on this blog knows this. In the Unitarian Universalist church, I had my Theosophy/New Age years but also my freethought/humanism/agnostic/atheist ones as well.





When I was just ten years old, I announced to my very angry parents and anyone in earshot that I did not believe in God. I had read Thomas Paine who was more technically a Deist who wrote against Christianity. I would be sent to the principal's office in elementary school time and time again out of religion class for questioning Roman Catholic theology. One time in Catholic school religion class I shouted,  "Purgatory makes no sense and sounds like a lesser hell!". My nun teacher dragged me off to the priest's rectory for our red-faced angry priest to give me a talking to. She was so angry. She asked for me to be removed from her class.

Religion in my household was more to do with rituals and rites.  While we were taken to Mass at every moment and told to say the rosary, and not to eat meat on Friday it was all empty rituals. Even asking questions about God in my household could mean being punished. The only Bible in the house was this giant white leather Catholic bible with a Medieval painting of "Mary" and baby on the front of it. We were forbidden to touch it, though at times I sneaked it off the shelf to read hoping not to get caught. This was around the time, I read "Late Great Planet Earth" from the public library and had it taken away by the nuns. So as the Catholic church and my family worked to squelch any real faith in God, I very early on was making more and more of a decision for atheism and by a very young age too.

Why did I become an atheist?





Religions and churches didn't measure up. I watched all the phony televangelists of the 1980s as a teen and became nauseous. The inconsistencies and legends of Roman Catholicism didn't add up to me even as a child. Why does God want me to kneel before a piece of bread? The nuns would lead my class to kneel at church for an hour or half of more of sustained silence staring intently at the white disc.  Some of us would wonder if it would bleed spontaneously like one of the miracles the nuns were constantly reading about to us. Eucharistic Adoration was incredibly boring and I kept thinking if God was intelligent enough to make the world, God wouldn't force me to pay homage to a piece of dough.

I can see why people become atheists. This direct statement may surprise some. Hope I do not offend but want to get to the nitty gritty of why I became an atheist.  I became an atheist knowing I was being sold a bill of religious goods. Church was play-acting and dead rituals and men with funny hats. The church world is such a decadent, hypocritical place. It has worsened, it has fallen away. Even allowing for the normal wickedness of human beings, the churches seem more wicked. There is one good thing about atheists. Atheists often are "thinking" people. They don't become a religion because Mom and Dad told them to be it.  They reject the idea of inherited religion with no examination as intellectually dishonest. I still agree with this. They aren't following cultural precepts to worship that saint or offer sacrifices to that god at a temple because they were told to. Some are asking, "Is any of this real?" Some want to know what is true.

and I certainly did.

One thing that actually affected my "atheism" and I've mentioned this before, is realizing that Santa Claus was a lie. I was punished for telling my younger sister, that "There was no such thing as Santa Claus" and remember thinking at that time, "If they lied to us about Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy", why should I believe anything else they say about God? So I mean it when I say that the false Christmas rituals of telling a child about Santa Claus can lead that child right into the atheist doorway because it did me.

Because of  abusive parents--that's a long and sordid story in itself, with the Catholic church mixed together, I saw the "God" they presented me with as cold and cruel very young. My father died an atheist himself, admitting to me, in a private conversation, that he feigned Catholicism to please my mother but really did not believe in it.  Love was not part of the equation. "God" was all about rules and getting it right, and if you failed, that was the end of you. There was no access to the actual gospel of grace until I was in college. I grew up with a feminist nun as my mother's best friend, feeding my head with even more religious nonsense, which helped create the pathway to full blown atheism.

When a girl got murdered on my college campus by a mentally ill man just across the street from the dorm and my aunt died in a fiery car crash in a would be suicide, my atheism grew more entrenched. I thought, "There cannot be a "God" because of how this world really is. I fell into the trap, I warn all the time about on this blog, how many people march to atheism believing that bad things happened to them because they feel "God" allowed it to happen or even made it happen? While the conscience lures people to God who have not heard the gospel, many turn their backs when the tragedies and turmoil of life take over. It doesn't help that many of the false churches preach false prosperity gospels and other "secondary" prosperity gospels that get people to believe either one of two things..."1. Bad things have happened to me because I am bad. [yes sin can bring consequences but this is something different I am talking about]" or 2. "God" has allowed or made these bad things happen to me and does not care about me or others or even "hates" me", that is when the march down atheist highway begins.

I still saw that in the church I left, even though it was IFB and officially against prosperity gospels, one can see among the oppressive Christian set, that the expectations themselves they have for people fulfill many tenets of it, where you are supposed to fit a certain "Christian mold". Years ago I knew I did not fit into the "Christian" world, and I still don't in many ways. There's a lot of faith being destroyed via these false preachers and philosophies.

 In college, I read American Atheist, Free Inquiry, The Humanist, Quest--Theosophy magazine and the Freedom from Religion Foundation's newsletter. I agreed with the outrage against TV evangelists and the like. These were the days of Jim Bakker's fall from grace, and Jimmy Swaggart getting caught. Famous preachers were jokes, and money-grubbers. In the 1980s, this is when the evangelical revolution was beginning, and the marriage between evangelical Christianity and Republicanism was growing more entrenched. Sadly not much has changed today. My atheist/freethought and Humanist magazines also rightly criticized the Pope and Catholic church. My readings including exposures of the Vatican bank by the 1980s.

It's weird but some atheists always seem to think every Christian came out of a Christian home and inherited their religion and never questioned anything their entire life. I questioned the bible, and even owned a library where the books sought to rip the bible to shreds. I read books by Robert Ingersoll, Betrand Russell, Dan Barker, Paul Kurtz, Madalyn Murray O'Hare and everything to be found in the "freethought" library. I was such a gung-ho atheist that once when I visited a relative in Buffalo, New York, I had them drive me over to the Free Inquiry headquarters but they were closed that day.  So I am not someone who just had musings about atheism, I studied it quite intensely.

Proverbs 14:6

A scoffer seeks wisdom and finds none, But knowledge is easy to one who has understanding.

Many come to atheism out of their own intellect.  When atheists write to me that their position is one of the intellect and did not come out of any emotional turmoil they are to be believed. This applied to me too. Atheism is a trap many very smart people can fall into. The Unitarian Universalist church was full of the cream of the crop when it came to the educated and learned. These were wealthy people with Ivy League and advanced graduate educations. All I have is a cheap state college education but I loved to read and learn on my own.



Atheism highly "respects" 'science' and the scientific method. Even though much of our science today is definitely without wisdom as they alter our foods to create more GMOs or weapons that can kill more "efficiently", within the "freethought" community, science is held up as a very good thing. Darwin even though his hypothesis about evolution, has many holes would be a named saint of the "freethought' movement. However during my atheist days, being an honest seeker, I would ask myself, "Well how did all THIS get started then?" None of my UU ministers ever answered that question. The very idea that the structural and complex system of life just arose out of muck one day never made sense to me. It was a thing that needled away at me.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

So Atheism or perhaps more technically agnosticism seemed the more intellectually astute position to me at this time. I bought what was said about rationalism, even though a small voice inside me said, "Its obvious they have holes in their position". Yes, I did sin and persecute a few Christians, during some of these youthful days, mocking them for not examining their positions. Sadly my meeting with Christians who knew any scripture or preached with the leading of the Holy Spirit was extremely rare.

1 Cor  2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 Scripture warns us about many times all the book learning in the world is not going to bring forth all truth.  I questioned and studied all the world religions. Some of what I post today on this blog is from those days of studying comparative religions. I noticed patterns and trends between religions, man's approach "gods" to appease them, sun worship, the astro-theology patterns exposed by some, the overlap of "gods" especially the "goddess" under different names, I researched and studied it all.

If someone is a honest seeker and happens to be an atheist, their questions do not bother me. Even that one ex-Christian IFB pastor now atheist's website does not surprise me. I noticed going way back to his earliest postings, he is upset and offended and rightly so by the actions of evangelical "Christians".  He has mocked me several times since I left, especially over my fairies article and a reprint of the NWO aspects of Windows 10 from another blog. In this very old post, I noticed he is outraged by the war mongering among the evangelical right. It seems this was written before his full leaving into atheism. It sounds like articles I have posted on this blog. After all I walked out of the last church for it's war mongering and even told one friend, "That place was worshiping Mars the god of war more then the God of the Bible!"

I have met atheists who are new world order aware even, who I have had interesting discussions with and offered them scripture and the gospel. There are people out there, who are struggling with the false religion "matrix" blocking them from God. They need as much truth as they can get. The system that John marvels at in Revelation, is this false church system. It is a barrier to God. Atheists don't fighten me. I used to be one. I know how they think. Yes many get mad at me. I can take it, after all I dished it out once upon a time.  Some say "You are crazy!". Others have given me the "nice" tolerant answers, "Whatever gives you comfort..." 

In the UU church, they do have their "freethought" wing as well as the more "new age, theosophical" wing. The two can combine at times. We know false religion can do plenty of mix and match sessions. Some atheists or thinking agnostics go to church. Which may sound weird to many people but atheists like fellowship, coffee hours and classes too. The UU church also had political opportunities for your liberal budding atheist. A college best friend who shared my same non-religious leanings at the time, introduced me to the Unitarian Universalist church.




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There are some atheists who would be shocked that someone like me even exists. If you have read my testimony I was a Unitarian Universalist from the age of 17 to 30. I remember one time sitting in the Unitarian Universalist church and a church acquaintance coming up to me and saying, "No one ever leaves the UU to become a Christian, by the time they are here, they know the truth!" 

Dogmatism isn't just for fundamentalist Christians even if within the UU dogma itself is considered optional. The UU church openly preached against Christianity and it's beliefs. The scandals of the Christian world were fodder for many a sermon disproving "Christianity". Notice the above ad for the UU church sells their church, to those fed up with the false "god" found in so many churches. One church class I had in the UU was called LEAVING RELIGION, and there was many of the Mustard Tree's refugees in there. There was me, an ex-Catholic, other ex-Catholics, and Methodists and acouple ex-Orthodox Jews, and even one ex-nun who I befriended somewhat and gave me rides back to my apartment. She told us horror tales of being made to clean the floor with toothbrushes in her cloistered convent and other invented punishments given to her by an abusive Mother Superior. She appeared to have a thousand yard stare, and was a very fragile person. This does not surprise me now not at all.  The UU at least in the late 80s served as a meeting place for various spiritually abused and others seeking refuge and solace.

I almost died as an atheist, I was 21 years old and had a severe asthma attack which was one of many that put my heart into atrial fibrillation.  I expected nothing but blackness and non-consciousness to meet me at the end. This would not be my first meeting with near-death either. My health is poor and it has been for my entire adult life. When I speak of escaping hell by the skin of my teeth it's true.

If my faith was based on the "church system", I'll be frank, doing this blog, since funnily I expose actually some of the SAME things the atheists shout about rightfully, it would have been long gone. Even the utter collapse of the IFB in my mind as a worthy alternative, while it has changed some of my thinking, has not destroyed my faith. One atheist friend of my husband announced to me, since I told him why I left my most recent church, "The best Christians are those who don't go to church". That statement said a lot. 

My relationship with God stands outside of the "church system". Some of the cynics and present atheists would shout that I have found a God of my own creation but then they see only the "god" being sold now by the false preachers and system. I am not a narcissist who has new prophecies to give or wants to sell a "god of my own making". People need to go read the bible for themselves and take the church lens off of it. They ignore the Bible or listen to how false preachers skew it. The cruel "god" of control, who always votes on the side of the world's oppressors and for the extremely wealthy and for "war". The one running the "right wing". Yes the "right wing" is evil but the atheists and others run to the trap on the other side.

The church system is the load of rot with it's rituals, rites, and love of the system that oppresses mankind. Some independent minded people see it for what it is, a control matrix, to funnel and mold political beliefs and direct the herd via the world controllers. Many of those people are Christians like me.

There is a reason just about every evangelical church teaches the same brain dead Republican politics. Have you ever thought about this? Why isn't there any maverick preachers or ones who have considered things like the writer and readers of this blog?  I found one guy once {Last Trumpet Ministries} who seemed to warn of the new world order but sprinkled endless dabs of numerology in all his preaching. I visited so many churches trying to find a church home, and it is their sameness now that stands out. All had that apostate blue and white flag waving on stage and the same beliefs. We have only seen them grow more insane over the years. Even the liturgicals and evangelicals have joined together in this community.

Of course the church system is mistaken as being all about God, and representative of Jesus Christ when in fact God's Word warns against THE MUSTARD TREE and it's lust for world power and control. It does not shock me that even some who were within the false church system leave it and leave who they thought God was behind. Some of us make the mistake and this applies to me, when I was newly saved, I saw most churches are false but believed more were real out there. Today a clearer picture has come into view. Even coming out of the Catholic church, the Holy Spirit let me know there was a vast array of cults and false daughters and teachings to avoid. Sadly even many of the independents and others are part of the system. Every IFB I've seen has had the "Christian" kingdom flag up on their podium. What does that say but they are part of it. It didn't escape my attention that all the Lutherans had this flag on the podium as well as the IFB I attended.



Some run from the churches and think God cannot be real, this system is so corrupt and disgusting and it's people are no better then average non-believers. I wrote about Mean Christians twice myself on this blog some years ago. Why wouldn't they think that? When I was a young non-believer, I encountered some Christians who were in a reformed cult in my area, who were literally abusive. I was listening to some U2 song on the radio, a band I fully reject now, and was told I was a heathen listening to the "devil's music". None witnessed to me but shouted at me that I would go to hell. I was on the way to hell back then but none of them presented any gospel message or love. I have been burned myself recently very badly in this case by church Christians and other betrayers. One thought I have about the Christian world right now is many want to APPEAR GOOD but not actually BE GOOD.

Matt 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Such types have had no inward change, no regeneration and no relationship with God. There's a lot of phonies leading people to disbelief in God. I hate the "Christian" culture. The atheists hate it too. The difference is they define God by the Christian culture and I do not. However I was in their exact place. I used to think before I read scripture and God's Word cut through all the garbage like a knife, that I was too poor and wicked to become a Christian, then I read that verse about Lazurus at the gate with his sores going to heaven. [Luke 16:20] I too had my fill of the perfect patrol and mean church women who expected perfect housekeeping judging me. I was so far away from God, it is only His Word that led me to Him. 

Abusers abusing in the name of God. We have the Duggars inoculating many against Christianity with their pompous do-gooder false mentalities and show off attitudes. Sadly I have encountered people like this in the regular world. I was told if I was less wicked, I would become wealthier and would no longer be poor in many a church. I was told that by Christians who I thought were more mature in the faith when I was a new Christian that if I rid myself via my endless wickedness, that God would deliver me from all my problems. One thing I always wonder about deliverance ministries, is they always focus on the victims of abusers as being demonized instead of the abusers themselves. Are they simply another vehicle for the controllers this way?

There's too many fakes out there, and many many people are trying to fit into a mold of "Christian" they have been given by the world. It's like everyone in their mind has a caricature they are trying to live up to.The atheists are rightly tired of the phonies, the fakes, the do-gooders, who use charity like a machete and their messages that oppress.  I am sick of it all too.



False teachings about prayer and acting like God is supposed to be their fairy god mother is producing many atheists. I suppose the atheists see more results from science then they do this phony version of prayer. But when prayer is sold in the apostate church as a "gimme" venture instead of a conversation, this is what happens.

 Many Christians preach especially to the chronically ill too, that if they have enough faith they will be cured. How many times have I heard this? Let me be frank, it hurt me and hurt me bad. There is always the implicit message underneath the words that if you have not been cured, that you are a "bad" "undeserving" person. I saw one atheist website mocking how amputees never have their limbs grow back from prayer. That's an example of false theology leading straight to disbelief.

What of the people who aren't healed? In my case, I have lived far longer then expected. I do believe God gave me more years of life, but this view of seeing God as an ATM machine has spread through "Christianity". The atheists see the false attitudes and views of God. One thing I believe that makes for many an atheist as I mention above, is the false message that God is the author of evil, so when the many horrible things in life happen many people blame God and turn their backs on Him. Human nature being what it is, their natural inclination is then to say, "God does not exist".

 The "best life now" garbage is providing poisonous fruit. Think about it, if all these "Christians" see God as an ATM machine, then the ones who are suffering, and have family and friends die like everyone on this planet blame God and turn their faces against Him. The failure to "get real" among Christians is destroying the faith for many.  The failure to discuss life as it is, instead of this ideal that does not match this wicked fallen world we live in, is misleading people. "God" is seen as a betrayer for not acting like "superman" and stopping disasters or allowing "bad" things to happen. I see this theme over and over again in unbelieving friends and others. "God does not care", "Ioo many bad things happen in this world for there to be a God". The churches have only HELPED these attitudes with their false teachings.




Atheists are being produced in this society by the scores. Even within my own lifetime, I am seeing more young people embrace atheism. When I was an agnostic, UU, atheist, humanist, later theosophist, I was a one off, a rarity, who faced social censure for my then non-beliefs. It was not a common place to be. I was the first atheist in the family. Now most don't go to church 30 years later.  We were on the fringes. I saw my then beliefs become far more mainstream. It's more common for a young person not to be a Christian today even a mainstream dead church one.

I consider it a miracle I even became a Christian.  Reading God's Word, did it, even though I studied the Bible to "disprove it". This verse definitely showed what happened to my life.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

I pray for anyone who is an honest seeker and an atheist. They are out there. We should not be afraid to talk to them. The false apostate church system is a barrier in front of millions if not billions.


See:

Atheists and Job 38

Are Ex-Atheist Christians Rarer than The Dodo Bird?

[next up an article on the Freethought/Atheist organizational ties to the NWO--they are being merged into the one world order too along with the churches]

38 comments:

kate davis said...

Hi, BB! wonderful article. I found myself shaking my head in agreement the entire time. I am an ex-atheist Christian (praise God i made it out). I come from a highly intellegent, successful atheist family. It is how I was raised, mostly at the behest of my father. Interestingly both my mother and father were brought up Catholic in inner city Philadelphia Catholic schools and were so disgusted with it the discounted Jesus Christ all together. Cahtolic schools make great atheists. Even today when I gently share my faith, they respond in a way that leads me to believe that they don't understand the difference between what I am (a born again beleiver) and the Catholic nonsense. I have to be honest, I am not always as straightforward with the, about hell, etc., because I don't want to burn a bridge. I never compromise my faith, but I am also praying that the Lord gives me that death bed moment with everyone in my family... I also wanted to note that God saved me in a way that bypassed my logical mind and went straight to my spirit. I am an intelligent, logic driven person (I say that without any pride. My IQ never helped me live a productive life...I almost died of drug addiction several times before I was saved....and that same intellect of man keeps my family from salvation....in some ways it is a family curse) so I would have never been convinced of the existence of a savior in Jesus Christ based on intellect alone. Praise God he can overcome the worldly "intellect" I relied on.

Also, the part about Santa Claus gave me chills!!! My family thinks I am nuts for many reasons, but one of which is that I refuse to do the fake characters like Easter bunny and Santa with my three year old for precisely the reason you described (among other reasons too, obviously). As I was reading your story it occurred to me that we all indoctrinate our kids into something and that it is an incredible responsibility. I always encourage questions and thinking in my son....he is bright and inquisitive (again, I say that without pride....in fact, I say it with some fear....will he make his intellect god like the others in my family?) and I want him to question his faith...and I want to have good, satisfying answers for him, which is why I am always reading blogs like yours :) Thank you for your time and work. God bless you!

Anonymous said...

We are each born with a core personality, you are honest enough that we can read about yours in this post. Science is the be all, end all to some and I just laugh that it can be so rock solid, but always changing. Anymore I think of the church system as "do", when in Jesus Christ all is "done". Sickness and suffering are because we live in a fallen sinful world, yet we are told the truth in 2 Corinthians 12:9. - Don

Anonymous said...

Wow Don; well said, " I think of the church system as "do", when in Jesus Christ all is "done"..
BB - I couldn't help but laugh when you said you went to a cheap state college, because I know you said you grew up with money.. Me too! I had to go to a cheap state college, while my brother went to prep school(actually, 2; he got kicked out of both!).Plus I got into a good college..And I came from money..Sorry,that just stuck in my mind after reading your post!

Anonymous said...

Our society calls people to be in some kind of a system. They want us labeled into categories and if you don't fit in a category you are the odd one out. If you are not in a church system...they label you apostate or treat you as an outcast. This type of system brainwashes people to believe the church is the building where true believers gather and the pastor is elevated to the point of idolatry. It is "I am of Paul" and I follow him. There is no questioning of what is being taught even if it is full of lies. The thought of leaving produces a fear of abandoning those around you. And yet, many who have come out of the church system never hear from these people anyway. It is not true fellowship. The greatest thing we can do in our Christian walk is to have fellowship with Jesus, God and His Holy Spirit. You will learn everything you need to know and grow to be like Christ. There are too many fake teachers out there to trust any system of man.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for sharing your journey and giving us insight into the mind of an atheist. I think in a way we have been programmed to look at atheists as enemies rather than lost souls in need of a Savior.

Reason being the atheist activists file suits against any mention of God in the public venues, especially government. And that doesn't even necessarily mean an affront against Jesus Christ. But in their eyes it is one and the same.

Organizations like the ACLU don't help matters.

It should not come as any surprise that the church system has failed and even turned people into atheists. However, we should be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath. It makes perfect sense that Satan would target the so-called fundamental churches because Catholic and liberal denominations are already firmly in his camp.

In recent years there has been a concentrated invasion of wolves and leaven unleashed on churches that formerly taught the Bible and did not align themselves with a political agenda beyond simply obeying the Word to pray for those in authority and obey laws and lead a quiet life.

The Bible clearly outlines a structure for the organized church with elders and deacons and all kinds of instruction on conduct in the churches. The early church even had its problems as testified to by the Apostle Paul in his warnings. It has always been so and in these last days it becomes even more prevalent. It has reached a point where those who want to walk the straight and narrow cannot find a church group in which to fellowship. That does not mean that they do not exist, but are harder and harder to find as they are off the grid so to speak.

The major denominations, even the Independent Baptist has gone the way of Baalam. But there are still some isolated unaffiliated churches where God's Word is preached and people worship in spirit and in truth. The problem is that they are most difficult to find and many cannot find one in their area.

God designed the organized church. We cannot deny that without cutting out a large portion of the Word of God. Man has corrupted it. That is even in the Word foretelling the apostasy and the decline of society and that the church has lost its savor. There never has been a perfect earthly church and there never will be. The disenfranchised who seek fellowship don't expect the church to be perfect, just faithful.

Jesus said that these would be hard times. They certainly are. But we are not people without hope. The Bible tells us to keep looking upward, that our Redemptions draws nigh. We cannot succumb to despair. God is our Refuge and Strength. We have to stay in the Word and prayer and be a light to all who are in darkness whether they be Roman Catholic or atheist. At least the Catholic believes in God so there is a starting point, but with the atheist there is such a barrier that it is harder to penetrate and only the power of the Holy Spirit can do it. God's Word brought BB into truth and that is where the power is.

If you know an atheist, pray for them and show them love, and pray for a chink in their armor.

Anonymous said...

BB, thank you for this. It is such an encouragement, how God draws us to him.

I've shared before a bit about my husband. He's very sceptical of organized religion, but he says he still suspects God is real. He has decided to wrestle out the question of whether or not the Bible is reliable and where we got it and how old it is. A week ago, he bought the Oxford Annotated reference Bible with Apocrypha (NRSV version). I'm glad he is reading the Bible and praying he doesn't give up or get tired of searching it out. But I think this quite a liberal source. Does anyone have a good recommendation for questions of this sort?

I've always been interested in timelines, archeology, and the cultures and context of the Bible. He accuses me of only listening to scholarship that backs up my existing beliefs, but he does respect that I research, think, and admit when I don't know the answers. I've not really researched authorship and reliability of the bible, although I believe it.

I'm not looking to win an argument, I'm glad he's searching and I'm praying for him. But if anyone has any recommendations for reading I'd welcome it. Thank you.

Joy

Anonymous said...

Dear Bible Believer,
Praise our LORD Jesus that you are saved after all of the false teachings you succumbed too. It is a beautiful testimony that our LORD is still living and moving through the power of His Holy Spirit in reaching the unsaved. Your experience also shows us what true and genuine repentance looks like in submitting to the will of our LORD and believing in and following Him. At the foot of the cross there is mercy and grace and a love that bears no human words from the only One who could ever save; His Name is Jesus.

I love you as a dear sister in Christ and praise Him for you and your witnessing for Him. You have ministered to me for several years now and the gratitude in my heart is overwhelming.

May our LORD continue to lead you.

Anonymous said...

I am not sure what the church system is. I know that churches are flawed, with flawed people, flawed Pastors, flawed Deacons, and flawed members. But that is how it is in a sinful, fallen world. The Corinthian church is a good example of this. But there is nothing wrong with going to church. Yes the church is the Body of Christ. But the church is also a building, for where else does the body of Christ meet? No church is ever going to be perfect, with perfect people ,because of sin. The church is a hospital for sinners. Not a place for perfect, sinless people. Yes, christians can act like jerks at times, but who hasn't? Who hasn't been a hypocrite? Who hasn't been less than Christ like to fellow christians and non christians alike? We live in a fallen world, with fallen christians, who are only saved by undeserved grace, with different personality traits, and different strengths and weaknesses.

I am not defending apostate churches or false preachers. Of course, a christian should avoid false teachers. But, there is no such thing as a perfect church, but that doesn't automatically make it a false church either.

Hebrews 10:25 " not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."

Acts 2:42 "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

Colossians 3:16 "“Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”

Ephesians 4:12-13 "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"

Bible Believer said...

Hi Katie, I am glad to meet another ex-atheist Christian. Yes there are many highly intelligent atheist families out there. My family was not intellectual but my father was a computer genius. He died an atheist telling me he did not believe in Catholicism but pretended to for keeping my mother happy. Something I do NOT agreed with at all but that is a long sordid story, where people will obey humans rather then God. He was raised Greek Orthodox. When I left the Catholic church at the age of 17, most of the family was outraged, but 30 years later, atheism or agnosticism rules among the younger set. Catholic school is the surest way for someone to end up in atheism. "Christianity" or their form thereof, after they have had their brains full of Tolkein and other garbage becomes just another "legend" to them. I know mine don't get the difference between Catholicism and what a born again believer is. I was straight forward with the gospel right and even told some of mine, that the Catholic church was the harlot. I am not in contact with much of the family. My family has STRONG Catholic church ties.

I agree about people with high IQs. I had friends in Mensa, all atheists or doubters. The UU church was full of very intelligent people who sadly had rejected God. There is a verse in the bible about intelligence blinding people, wish I could think of the exact one. I know my questioning mind, led me away too seeing the holes of Catholicism. In my case, I am not logic driven but do have a more analytical mind and can see patterns, this was death to the puzzle maze of Catholicism. Some of the atheists will mock us, when we discuss the HOly Spirit coming to break through the intellectual mind of man to lead us to Jesus Christ but this happened to me. I left the UU in one day convinced I was being told lies. After I was saved, God showed me other things. I still believed in "the system" and could not see outside of it until I was born again. There is biblical wisdom and intellect too and the two don't meet if someone is not born again. This is why you see so many smart scientists with biases and other things wanting to destroy the world, not even thinking out the end result of messing with the human and plant genotypes. For the atheists who see science as the "savior" or mankind, they don't even get it, and where things are going scientificially. Even in my medical involvements I have seen where science is 100 percent directed by profit.

I am glad you do not tell the holiday legends and fantasies as truth to your kids. I think that is one way to set up someone to be a young atheist as I wrote in this article. I hate that garbage. I find it interesting even the atheists and agnostics pour on that stuff with their children. Where's your rational mind there, when you are telling your kid, with a straight face, that there's a big man with a beard, flying raindeer through the sky? I am glad you are good with questions and thinking in your son. If I had children I would rather one questioned and examined everything then just became a Christian because I said so. I would tell them what I learned of other religions and even about my time as an atheist instead of keeping them sheltered and clueless. So you going about it the right way. God bless you and your son and family :)

Bible Believer said...

Thanks Don, I agree about core personalities. I laugh at science being seen as so rock solid. Its not even with medical diseases, they go where the money is and neglect research. People can't even imagine how science is betraying and how megacorporation money directs EXACTLY what is studied. If anything the mad scientists are unleashing new hells on us to come. Yes the church world is this busy work session. I have visited enough churches where if one had full involvement, every hour outside of work would be taken up with the cell groups, etc. It's all DO, DO, Do, agree All in Jesus Christ is done. The churches deny the realities about sickness and suffering. Most churches no open discussions of either are allowed, it may pop the bubble. I walked out of the last one feeling like they were shaming me for my health problems. No other disabled person was in that place except one retired widow and probably a reason for that.

Anon, I had to fight even for the cheap state college education. They wanted me to go to community college. I should have actually gone into Vo-Ed in high school and left home for good at an earlier age. There are parents who do not want a child to succeed. I worked in the cafeterias in the dorms. Money warps some people to the max, and some do not obtain their money via decent means. Wicked parents often will give the best to a golden child and be cheap to the scapegoat or others they don't feel like investing in. I had a friend in college whose multimillionaire parents sent 3 siblings to prep schools and Ivy League and s

Bible Believer said...

she had to student loan it through the state school system.

Bible Believer said...

Yes I agree about people outside the system. If you don't fit a certain demographic they do not want you. You are considered an "odd" one out. I am still praying about moving since this community seems very strong with that, and I see more despondency and isolation among my fellow poor. The man who told me he was ostracized from the churches too for poverty did not surprise me. Yes I have been labeled an outcast and treated as an apostate for being outside it. Unlike my rural community where I could talk about things, this place, the censorship is even more severe among people. There is less openness among the upper classes. I know I am generalizing a bit but its true. I agree many see the church as buildings, and cannot even conceive of what the real CHURCH is. Think about how the churches are named after men. I am of Luther, I am of Calvin, I am of Menno, [men walking as trees--Mark 8

Its true, even if you leave, they don't come to try and get you back. I never heard from the pastor of the church I just left. There was one kind widow who talked to me and she did but that was only one person and she was only one who had talked to me from the get-go. I still have contact with her. No there is no true fellowship. I think most are relieved when someone like us leaves. He knew I didn't agree with a lot of stuff. I found out he had sent THREE sons over to the Middle Eastern cesspools, what does that say? And having them praise actions over there still from the pulpit upset me. Yes many have left the church system. The Holy Spirit tells us to leave. It is a mockery.

Many cannot conceive of being a Christian outside the system. They don't get people like us.

Bible Believer said...


Yes atheists are seen as the enemy. If anything the churches have gotten more closed door to anyone who is "different". Add atheists, pagans, and others to the list of "enemies" rather then lost souls in need of a Savior. One thing I encountered and this may sound odd to some of you, is no one in the churches seemed to have a past like me. [My first good IFB a few did] but many were born into the church or went to church with their family. One thing I wondered about the churches here, was where were the born again people who may have been an atheist, a pagan or a secularist? Where were they? When I admitted my past or just even a snippet of it, without going into detail, that was enough to feel like a pariah. So much the dead church system you are seeing "inherited religion", "I go to church where Mom and Dad go to church" and not any real life-changing faith or relationship with Jesus Christ. Now some people in a rare decent church can be born into it, and be actually born again themselves, but this is something I noticed. Yes the atheists do file suits against public mentions of God, but even there the Dominionists worsened all that with their endless culture wars. I don't think much of any government prayers. Most of the politicians the way they are today I know are not praying to the God of the Bible.

Like you I thought the fundamental churches were an alternative. I mean consider the fact I went to IFBs, one even happily during my earliest days. I do not think much of them anymore. I see no independent thinking just the same political garbage within the fundamentalist churches--there I ask where is the guy who may even be MILDLY new world order aware?

I do think my good IFB pastor was SINCERE but even there he was only so willing to go so far but he was exception even in the little bit of independent thought, most of the IFBs are following the Sword of the Lord, right wing NWO contingent without one hestitation. I could not tolerate standing in that last one listening to that garbage and knowing even worse, I was given no voice to say anything about it, even in the personal and fellowship arena. I see the majority of fundamentalist churches in Satan's camp already. There may be a few real deals in rural areas where the pastor actually is a Spirit led man of God--we agree that a few could be out there, but I see too much corruption, blind leading of wolves and know many of the big names like Hyles were snakes in the grass. I believe we are in the times of falling away. I don't think everyone in churches are bad people. Many are trying to follow God, and some are born again. With some of us who have left the church system we are responsible for what we know. Yes these are hard times, we don't want to succumb to despair. I agree about being a light to others. We have to meet people where they are at. I know lots of atheists and try to talk to them when I can, and pray God shows them the truth.

Anonymous said...

1 Corinthians 1:18-19 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

Yes, just because one is intelligent does not mean that they have truth. Can you imagine the IQ of Satan? Yet Satan is a fool, who thought that he could go up against God. Satan is such a fool, that he had God, in all of God's Holy perfection and power, right in front of him, yet he still rebelled. That takes a special kind of moron.

Proverbs 9:10 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding."

Romans 1:20-22"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools"

Bible Believer said...


Hi Anon, I am glad your husband suspects God is real. I wish he was reading a KJV BIble but don't lose hope, I started questioning the Catholic church even reading one of THEIR BIBLES full of their disbelieving footnotes. I have some books I could recommend, but I will compile the titles for you. Try and buy him a KJV to start with though. Thank you Joy. I consider it a miracle of God I even got saved after all that. People were in shock who knew me when I became a Christian, even my own husband to an extent. A lot of people can be stuck in that not wanting to admit they were wrong place too. Thank you for your kind words too. It helps me to talk to another sister in Christ here too and to share our faith. The readers and commenters help me here quite a bit.

Bible Believer said...

I meant hi JOY in the above. Sorry Joy, I'm talking to so many anons, sometimes automatically write that. God bless.

Bible Believer said...

If someone wants to go to church I will not argue with that. I am responsible for what I know and where God has led me. I agree churches are flawed. I did not want perfection. What am I to do about the Christmas issue for instance? I went to IFBs that celebrated it. One I could be open and vocal warning about Christmas and was not ostracized but this was not true elsewhere. I felt convicted it was wrong for me to be there more and more. I could not ignore God on this issue. Christmas was JUST ONE issue. I walked about the last one with the love for war being the tip of the iceberg, it went beyond even your regular Dominionism. I thought what am I doing here? I never went in expecting perfection, I believe many people are in my place though. I could have taken a sincere pastor who I disagreed with on some things but why do I see the same guy under difference faces? This is hard to explain. Why don't any of them question the system they are in even a little bit?

Yes human beings are flawed, and we all sin and have personality quirks, but what of a system that demands their own version of "perfection" on people that is corrupt and teaches against God's Word. I have yet to find a church that doesn't participate in the Christmas, tithing or Dominionism deceptions. Some are further in then others. Even to attend the last one, I kept thinking, well, don't expect perfection, I desired Christian fellowship, but then just could not sit there listening to the falsehoods. It hurt my heart I felt convicted to leave. Many of us don't care about perfection. I cared about finding people who were REAL. Even that one was very hard to find. I had a taste of that in the good IFB for a short time.

None of us leaving the church system are doing so being glad we have no "fellowship" to go too [we have the CHURCH of course which is not a building]. It is hard to have no local "church family" but we are to be loyal to God first. THis goes way behind just quirks or human failings or the pastor made me "mad" or imperfections. It can be hard to know where to draw the line. How can I follow a pastor that can't even discern what Christmas is really about? How can I attend a church where 90% of this blog would offend them? Sitting in a pew silent just to be "part of the system" is not worth it. There one is following man instead of God.

I met SEVERAL people who told me they knew the churches were teaching false things, but did not want to be alone in the world being freed of the system. I find it a relief I no longer have to try to hammer a square peg into a round hole or have to sit in a pew, remembering scriptures that counteract with what a pastor is preaching. So much of the system is false, and a mockery. I believe many do close their minds and go with the flow because it is easier but easier isn't always right.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks for the verses anon, yes Satan probably has a million IQ, but He has gone against God and is a total fool. There's no wisdom there at all.

Romans 1 and the other verses definitely apply here.

Anonymous said...

If you have prayed about church and you feel that God does not want to go to church, then you should do what you feel is best. Altho, I don't personally have a problem with churches having Christmas or tithing. When have churches not been tithing or celebrating Christmas? They are not make or break issues.

I see tithing as a way to give to God. He doesn't need a person's money, obviously, He is God, but it can be a way of showing faith. I believe that when you give something to God from your heart, then he will bless you. Even if you don't have alot of money and give just a little. It's not the money, it is the trusting in God to provide for you. But one should only give money if they feel that God wants for them too. The amount is up to the person. 2 Corinthians 9:6-7

And obviously you wouldn't give money to a false church or teacher.

Anonymous said...

Personally I don't think of tithing as an obligation to a church, but rather between me and the Lord. It doesn't have to be legalistic. Ten percent is just a guideline - God may lay it on your heart to give 15 percent or more. Or if one has a lean month, then one does not need to be under law to give. God loves a cheerful giver, one that is Spirit-led. And it doesn't have to be just to one's church if one has one, but to help the poor or to another worthy ministry. It should be a joy, not some legal burden. Some may abuse the concept but they are the problem and they are wrong.

I think it is important to consider what one is going to give to God's work and pray about it and not listen to any person trying to lay a guilt trip or put someone under a law.

We should want to give the Lord a portion of our increase even when it is small and trust Him to honor that.

Anonymous said...

My definition of "church system" is anytime there is a hierarchy in the Body of Christ. www.wordofhisgrace.org/hebrews1025.htm - Don

Anonymous said...

Don, are you referring to the church government set up in the Bible of Pastors, Elders, and Deacons in the local church? Or are you referring to denominations that have a central headquarters with people in authority. If that is the "church system", then what do you call the local church fellowship?

Anonymous said...

I checked out the link that Don listed in his last comment. I feel a responsibility to warn people away from that website. The author is a 5 point Calvinist. Seems that he jumped from the frying pan into fire - from the Worldwide Church of God to Reformed Theology - both false gospels.

I did read his article on Hebrews 10:25, that it does not refer to attending church. He may be technically right and it is good to examine the passage, but the main point should be that we need to stay in touch in some way with other believers and not isolate ourselves unless we have no alternatives whatsoever. There may be possibilities online to investigate or blogs such as this one to encourage one another.

Anonymous said...

Amen Don. October in our area is labeled "Pastor Appreciation Month" as if the egos of men and women who label themselves as pastor, reverend, priest, nun, deacon or deaconess are in need of more honor and glory.

Michael Sean said...

I too am an ex Catholic, ex athiest/agnostic. I don't even think I was looking for God, or at least not consciously. I was as hostile towards Christianity as anyone can get, and fully advocated the outlawing of religion in general. I was a smart arse, anti theist, rude, and arrogant in my views. I know exactly how an athiest thinks. I was amoung the more obnoxious of them.

I was forty one years old when God revealed his true self to me. I was utterly shocked. I still remember the almost supernatural, and overhwelming feeling of love that hit me like a sledge hammer.

It never ceases to amaze me how hostile, insulting, and angry athiests become towards Christianity more than any other world view, while the New Age is dismissed as harmless buffoonery. I was the same myself. Christianity as presented to the masses, particularly here in the UK, is a dangerous mix of political extremism, and mumbo jumbo. When people think of Christianity they think of child abusing priests, American prosperity gurus, and the Westboro Baptists. They see the Crusades and the Inquisition as the greatest horrors ever commited by mankind, ignoring the mass murdering crimes of commited athiests such as Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao and co. Most athiests are as ill informed as the most ignorant cultural Christian who prays for wealth, and visits fortune tellers. Yet they seem to think that athiesm is some sort of intellectual evolutionary jump, and claim logic as their own. Once you give an average athiest some basic apologetics they crumble into insults. The church is to blame for this, but society in general is never going to promote genuine Christianty over the side shows we are subject to. Christianity is an intellectual pursuit, as much as a spiritual one. We are commanded to love god with all our heart soul and mind, not just through fuzzy feelings, superstition, and second hand cod sprituality. We live in a society that claims enlightenment, yet becomes more vacuous, slef absorbed, and empty headed with each passing day.

I think the biggest hurdle to the true path of Christ is that we live in an age of narcissism. Our culture promotes this self worship to such extreme levels that most people can never truely humble themselves and admit they are imperfect sinners and desperately in need a saviour. People are more gnostic than they realise, and unfortunately will never experience the amazing feeling of liberation one experiences when they humble themself before Christ.

Anonymous said...

Also, to teach "tithing" to a Christian is to put them back under the law. Romans 6:14 - Don

Anonymous said...

You might find this link of interest considering this topic.
It gives testimonies of people who claimed to be Christians and have rejected it and have become atheists.

http://clergyproject.org/category/our-stories-home/christianity/baptist/

Anonymous said...

Joy, trust that none of us have all the answers. For each who are truly saved, we are all lead in different ways. I continue to search earnestly as do you my sister, may God bless you and your husband.

Tithing from my understanding was a part of the Ordinances given to Moses in order to setup the Aaronic priesthood in the new nation of Biblical Israel. A tribe which inherited no land but were priests ordained of God, and the other tribes then supported them with the tithe of the fruits of their lands. Therefore these tithes haven't been applicable since the new Covenant was brought in 2,000 years ago and the first Covenant ended. But hey, if we belong to a Biblical church we trust, then why not use the old Biblical principals of tithing to support the running of that church... I use so many of these Ordinances to guide my life today, though I am not bound to them as Law. And I cannot say I belong to a church.

BB, I too was saved from atheism. More so from hatred of God so many years ago. It went from atheism and hating God, to being agnostic, to going to the jews and catholics looking for answers yet still agnostic and full of sin always, then even looking at Zorroastrianism to understand more of ancient Babylon, then going over to the Armstrong churches with their free magazines, JWs, SDAs, even putting my son into a catholic school so at least he could have God at least mentioned in his everyday - even though I had not God, and never understanding anything at all. Until the split second I was saved and my entire life changed in that one second. A 30 year journey from my teenage years which took but one second to complete. Yet He was always with me, looking after me, drawing me to Him, until that moment when everything changed forever when I was washed clean by the Holy Spirit.

God will call whom He will call, and who amongst us can resist that call...

Another commenter said something about wolves amongst the flock. Both the wolves and the goats have been playing on my mind a lot for the past week, so please excuse my comments. Just be careful everyone... the goats are those who roam amongst us but are not saved but wish they were or think they are - yet they cannot comprehend what it is to be a sheep and they will always lead us astray. They quote Scripture from other sources but cannot cross reference it nor understand its meaning. The wolves are those who disguise as lambs but only have a single motivation to devour the flock, either directly with attacks upon the sheep or through deception. Just be careful everyone, and trust your judgement given to you by God and avoid always the influences of men around us. If you pray to God for guidance each day as I do, then trust that instinct you are given and be lead by Christ, and not astray by goats and wolves.

Remember always:
Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Bible Believer said...

More and more Christmas became a make or break issue to me. It bothered me with the last church which seemed to emphasize Christmas far more then my older IFB which had some members who did not celebrate. I kept thinking why follow men who aren't discerning? We can excuse celebration of Christmas among new Christians and simple folks, but what of those 25 years in ministry? I know there are no easy answers with that one. Agree about the money being up to the person.

Bible Believer said...

Clergy are to be avoided. Even the deacons and elders are a different system then the one man show we see before us in most churches.

Thanks for warning us of Calvinism in article. it's hard they sneak in and one has to read the websites carefully sometimes especially if it's a non-basics related issue.

I agree we should seek other Christians out. I still wonder why I never meet anyone who believes the way I do IRL but do online all the time.

The last thing we need is more pastor appreciation. They already get all the attention. I was bothered in many churches because the entire building would revolve around ONE man.

Praise God, Michael you were born again, welcome to the blog. You ever see atheists rant about Buddha or Vishnu? They are supposedly false gods to them too and "superstition". There's a reason they rant against Jesus Christ. Even international atheists aren't complaining about Hinduism or the New Agers and their supernatural beliefs but Christianity. It's not Catholics they are taking on except a few truths about the Pope but bible believers and others. There's a reason for that. I was the same too! I didn't complain about Buddha or the spirit guides or greenman of Wicca, I was ranting then about Christianity.

Seems like the UK is following in the USA's theocratic footsteps. I agree about the atheists who killed millions being ignored. It's sickening to see liberals praise Mao now. Yes dead in side waxed cold people are proliferation. Narcissism is another name for reprobation in many cases, root of sin selfishness. "I shall be like the most high". Many are growing up closing down their consciences for good where no repentance will be possible.

I agree about tithing being back under the law. I wrote an article against tithing showing the 10 percent number comes from Malachi 3 and had nothing with people giving preachers 10 percent of their pay.

Isn't the clergy project for ex clergy? I'm not surprised some in the religious field become sickened with the rituals, rites, hypocrisy and show-times they are expected to put on. I sometimes would fathom some in the fish bowl grow weary and sadly throw out the baby with the bathwater. I hope more find Jesus Christ free of the false religious system.

Burn out would be rife since most pastors are put on a pedestal. Human beings can't manage that endless perfection.

Bible Believer said...

I'm still working on other atheist articles, breaking the subject down into many right now. Pray for me to have more internet time. My computer kept crashing all month limiting the posting. I have an old back up computer now too.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks anon for sharing your religious journey, well you know I have the Catholic and UU past. I have heard of modern Zora. people before. Many explore the JWs, SDAs etc, in the UU, I had my theosophy years and more freethought ones. I spoke with a ton of Reformed Jews too while in there as well. Praise God He took you out of there. I believe I was called as well. His sheep hear His voice. If someone told me at the age of 21 you will be a Christian one day I would have laughed them out of the room.

Yes we have to be careful of the wolves, but the goats, definitely can take people on a false path. I am realizing I have to be more careful of the church Christians in the local community who have put pressure on me, even if they are nice and are not outraged by my independent status, they will always kind of influence towards a certain direction. We have to be very careful out there. I believe the Christians who have come into the most truth are most prone to the wolves. I may post too about the wearing away of the saints.

Anonymous said...

November 11 6:00 A.M. Anon said:
God will call whom He will call, and who amongst us can resist that call.

We must be careful as to how we phrase things. This may not be your intent, but this sounds like Reformed/Calvinist belief that only certain ones are called and that they are unable to resist - in other words there is no ability to say no to God. Many have heard the Gospel and the Holy Spirit convicted them but they chose to ignore and reject the Gospel, the free gift of salvation.

I am glad that you chose to listen to the prompting of God, but He did not force you. I just thought it was important to clear this up.

Anonymous said...

I was referring to the article on Hebrews 10:25 being good, not condoning the whole website. Translation = You can not go to what you are. Hebrews 10:25 has nothing to do with attending a building. So you are wrong about the main point, even though you will not admit it. I will stick with my definition about the "church system" and supply some scripture; Matthew 20:20-28, Matthew 23:1-12 & Mark 9:33-35. Tithing is law and giving is grace, not to be mixed together. - Don

Bible Believer said...

I agree it is choice to listen to the prompting of God. I am no Calvinist. Reformed theology almost makes people out to be automatons. Many choose to reject God's call. Free will is part of the puzzle here. Anyhow salvation is a gift of God and is free. It is not via works. The Reformed are lost in their "chosen people" lies. There is extreme elitism in the reformed world.

Bible Believer said...

Yes we are the church not the bricks and mortar. Remember we are near the last days, the great falling away is happening. We are warned of a false religious system. It's not just the Pope and his men. We were warned of a false religious system that encompasses the whole world. Who is it? It's not just the Catholics. All the pastor praising churches follow the example of Catholicism and the religions named after men like Calvinism who all have their roots in the same place. Even the millerites and others do too if you trace it back enough.

Anonymous said...

Michael Sean - I liked your comment. But the pol pot regime had a buddhist philosophy. I can find you a link if you wish. I have read different things about them..
Don - I liked some articles on that website. Not a recommend; but they had the best article on why Mary is not the mother of God I'd ever read..I grew up catholic too..
And I liked the article you linked to..Though I admit I was turned off by many other things on the site.
BB - I look forward to your other articles about atheism.

Michael Sean said...

Hi, thanks for your comment. I have spent quite a bit of time in Cambodia (2 years in Asia in general) and although the country is buddist, religion in general was banned under the Khamer Rouge as they were Moaist communists. However seeing as Buddism is essentially agnostic it would not surprise me if the Khamer Rouge culture itself had buddist leanings.