Sunday, November 29, 2015

Growing Up Quiverful, the Duggar's Destructive Cult



This is a secular based video exposing the Quiverful cult. The commentator seems to be an ex-Scientologist interested in examining cults. I found it interesting since they interview a young girl coming out of the Quiverful cult. Quiverful ideas definitely have infiltrated out into homeschooling, IFB churches and more "conservative" evangelical churches.

The Duggars, Bill Gothard, Vision Forum, and The Quiverful Movement

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

Regarding the homeschooling movement in Christian circles, the patriarchy extreme is being promoted through Calvinist Voddie Bachmann whose videos are widely circulated and promoted amongst homeschoolers. I don't know of any connection between him and Gothard and Quiverfull, but their philosophies are compatible.

Homeschooling can be a good way for some children, especially considering the corruptive teaching in the public school, but one has to be alert and aware.

Bible Believer said...

My views towards homeschooling have changed. I do think it CAN be good, but there's too many abusers out there taking advantage. Seeing the educational limitations of the Duggars and other sheltered children I have seen IRL have worried me greatly. Yes Voddie Bachmann is out there too sharing deceptions.

Abigail said...

I stopped watching TV for entertainment when I realized that they are called television PROGRAMS for a reason. The powers-that-be control the media. They control the stories, the news, the personalities--and they use this control to stealthily change society in the direction they want it to go. People who visit BB's site may consider themselves aware, but we are not immune to the programming that permeates society through the TV, buzzfeed, movies, billboards...the list is endless and the exposure to the programming unavoidable. By design. Why have the Duggars been promoted so heavily on magazines, TV, various websites? At first I thought it was the "discredit true believers by associating us with weirdos" meme. But the #1 thing the Duggars have discredited is home schoolers. By design. They have been used (perhaps unwittingly after being hand-selected by evil Gothard as photogenic pawns with not-so-secret skeletons in the closet or perhaps as actors controlled by politically-driven liar Jim Bob) and used very effectively. Home schooling is a real threat to society's programmers and it is inevitable that they make it illegal. Their goal, like their agenda with war, terrorism, and privacy issues, is to actually get the public to INSIST that the government step in and take away the rights of people to make up their own minds about whether or not to home educate. Just because some abusers use home schooling environments to hide abuse does not make home schooling a factor in the abuse. Abusers are by definition expert controllers, whose children are trained to cover the abuse out of fear and shame, no matter how frequently they are in the public eye. Also, one needs to consider the spiritual abuse that occurs in government schools where children are vulnerable to "lessons" on gender identity, evolution, environment worship,etc. Education in America is a huge part of the PROGRAMMING of our culture, much more so than it is about knowledge of truth. Be careful that you don't allow yourself to be shaped by current events and scandals in your opinions. Don't let the programmers play on your empathy for abused children and your distaste for hypocrisy in order to change your thinking. God is the One Who put vulnerable children, even His Son, under the care and training of their parents. Not every parent feels led to home school, but those of us who did should not be blocked by governmental over reach. I did not plan on home schooling, but was clearly and miraculously convicted to do so. I considered it my greatest responsibility and ministry and devoted myself to preparing my children for life, relationships, college, and careers. Now that my children are all in college or postgraduate studies, I look back with such thankfulness for our years studying together. I encourage all those who choose to home school to not be discouraged in the face of increasing public pressure against home education. Model God's love and wisdom for your children, and know that your labor is not in vain when you are working for your Lord's approval and not for your society's!

Blizzard of Bugs said...

Wise words Abigail. The Lord Jesus Christ's approval not mans. Amen.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks for your comments Abigail. I have met good homeschoolers. I suppose I have concerns about abusive parents using homeschooling to hurt their children watching the Duggars in action but the Duggars have been used to steer society in many directions. The public schools are growing scarier. The Programming is immense out there. I may talk about some insidious programming that I have had to confront even myself, we all have to be cautious about what can "slip" in.

I agree with you they have been used to discredit homeschoolers. People have noticed the Duggar children simply not being well educated. Most parents however are loving and want the best for their children. The Duggars definitely have made homeschooling go bad. When I picture a good homeschooler I picture someone like you. I know I have to be careful because of my empathy for abused children and people who would exploit something like homeschooling. I do think that the Duggar parents are essentially at the very least emotionally abusive parents.

God bless you for your work with your children and showing them God's love.

Joy said...

Thank you for the encouragement, Abigail.

Abigail said...

Joy, I mentioned in my very first comment on this blog that I relate to many of the challenges you face as a wife and mother. My marriage also, which began with such high hopes of Christ's headship, has become a lonely place spiritually. My husband traveled frequently, for months at a time, and preferred his time home to be spent selfishly. He still does. However, now I look back and am thankful that, even though the work load and loneliness were overwhelming, God protected my ability to home school and limited my husband's influence on the children. What I once looked at as God's ignoring my pleas for help I now see was His loving care and protection. I am glad my words encouraged you. I know it's rough. Like you, I love my husband and am pained by his choice of the things of this world over the things of God. We have very little left in common, other than the children, but I pray daily that he will experience a "Saul-to-Paul moment" (as my daughters and I refer to it) and I strive to show him love and peace in our relationship. When I observe him reading his war glorification books, watching garbage on TV, and addicting himself to fantasy football, I silently pray for a miracle for him and thank God that Jesus is a Husband Who loves and values me as His Bride. I pray for you, Joy.

Joy said...

Abigail, thank you for the note. It is an encouragement to hear of someone in a very similar situation, but with an older family. I wish I could talk to you in real life. Your prayers mean a lot. Also, I followed the posts back to the Starbucks one and your comments there. Such great ideas. My husband was very against the pared back holidays I tried last year, but replacing some of it with family fun might work.