Monday, October 26, 2015

The Fake Christians Oppress Us


How some see the Christian world in the above picture. Sadly there is a reason these stereotypes exist. Betty Bower is a caricature by non-Christians of how they see pretentious stuck-up false "Christians". Sadly you don't have to be a non-Christian to feel burned by such types.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15King James Version (KJV)
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


The Bible warns of counterfeits all over. Counterfeit religion, counterfeit churches, counterfeit religious system--whore of Babylon and the Beast. There are plenty of counterfeit Christians. The Mustard Tree is grown, flourishing and huge now.  The wolves surround us. The biggest wolves can be fake Christians who with their pious do-good attitudes who wear masks of deceit.

My life has grown odd lately, I've paid a price for my beliefs, and being shy I never was bible-thumping in people's faces but I have not only lost the majority of the family who couldn't stomach my beliefs or me, but friends. Of course a number were wicked and I had to get away. Think of people who sold their souls for success in this world. I'm under great pressure. Please pray for me.

Sometimes I ask God "Why must I be so alone?" and have wondered at times if something is wrong with me. Maybe you are in that situation. One thing I notice about the "Christian" world, is they are all cozy with a huge close knit family and lots of friends. It sometimes makes me feel like I am a bad person because I have ended up so alone outside of my husband. Some seem to have won world popularity contests and then some.

The "Christians" who have their big families where everyone shares their faith is not my experience at all. What do I make of people who have had these lives where their family are all members of their church? I've only been to ONE church where there were people coming in from the outside, where there it wasn't just vast family networks making up the church. This isn't my experience at all.

The "Christian" world seems to be one where the people mostly are loved by the world, they are not ending up all alone. I was ostracized for my religious beliefs, dis-invited from family gatherings and denied visits with nieces and nephews for leaving the Catholic church. I do not regret this at all. It was the price of following the truth.  I come out of a very wicked family and can't even explain some of the details about this on here. Let's just say it was a land of secrets and subterfuge where all the sell-outs and Satan's disciples prospered in this world. My family is well-off too and because I did not achieve a certain class status, that led to some of the divisions too. It is far worse to become poor in a family like that as an adult. You become a non-person. It is far different and better to have a poor family that loves you.

Many friendly people in the church system, would ask about my family, this would happen in the last church I was in, and because I really didn't have one, or one that was part of the church, this too separated me from them. Their lives seemed so rich and full and I felt so alone among it all. They were all proud of their fecundity to the max and never let me forget it.  In the last church I told the pastor, and one other person I was estranged from my family over religious differences, but that was a rarity, no one else related. Even opening my mouth to that slight degree was a giant mistake. It made me a pariah to be a person without a "family" or "networks".

I can't stay that everyone with a close knit family is a "false Christian" but I kept having this thought, what does it mean to be so loved by the world? Why were no others in my position considering the plethora of false cults, churches and religions that a born again Christian must come out of? Why have I never met anyone like me except online? Why do I meet the long lines of people who have it all according to this world and fit the mold?

I never fit in due to my lack of children--my health conditions precluded having children--infertility, and having a close knit extended family. Other child-less women were nonexistent in the churches I visited, I think they had all been driven out. To be in many of these churches, it almost seemed a requirement that you had a certain kind of life, that your husband had a good job, and you owned a nice home and had a wide extended family and had children. I met many nice people and am sure there were true Christians with all of the above, but knew the "fake" ones saw me as a non-person for lacking all of the above. And since I am a married woman, and middle aged, how do people who are more poor then me feel? How about ones of another race? I am a darker skinned Caucasian and rude questions about what exact ethnic group I came from never ended. How about single people or those who had never been married? How about young people? While I have complained about the cookie cutters before, it goes beyond that, in many places now unless you fit the cookie cutter, they don't want to know.

They live in a narrow world where Reagan was a great man and where the war in Iraq was really about those horrible weapons of mass destruction.  Ted Cruz is our best friend and Trump will save the country from too many immigrants.  They bow down to all the elite's political agendas. In the last church I was in, not one had ever heard of the "new world order" which flabbergasted me considering the information that is now available on line. Brain-dead Republicanism absolutely ruled. There wasn't even a libertarian in the mix or a 9-11 truther in this coven of die hard Republicans.  I am so tired of these type of people, that my head hurts. The other side of the coin people don't do me any favors either.

 While some church people are "happy acquaintances" once a "church" person gets closer and realizes the thin surface of what I believe that is enough to be "hated" and newly ostracized. You don't have to tell them a lot! It can be that you believe churches are falling away or that you do not believe in "sacraments" or in celebrating Christmas. Many will be upset that you have not conformed. You will be written off as a freak. It happened to me. I either was a stranger keeping my mouth closed or written off.

This oppression can destroy many people spiritually. Without the Holy Spirit and if I had not been in the positions I've been before in life, I would have already fallen away. The "Christian" culture stinks, it is faith destroying not faith elevating.

In my case, it's not like I am going to run back to being an atheist, I know that world all too well, and will expose some of it more too.  Saved Christians will cry out to God, "Why me?" We will be weary. I am tired. Some of us our only rewards will be in heaven. I am not well liked. I have been betrayed so many times it's not funny.  People come to this blog and say they are Christians for years and then expose themselves as some type of extreme heretic I never even heard of. My family hates me. This world hates me. My husband became a throw-away in the career world. We barely are above the streets. We are alone in this world. I want to move because I live in a stuck up wicked affluent community where there is no one to talk to, and while I got good medical care here, my spirit can't take it anymore. I am now a middle aged woman without any resources and treated accordingly. Many of my friends died too.  Weren't we warned in scripture? Do you see any in the "Christian" world who are hated? If anything the churches are full of the "popular" kids while the "outcasts" disappeared long ago.

Many will tell you things like you "need to be in a church" and are sinning not to be. Still others will slowly freeze you out. Since I left my "good" IFB that had some decent folks in it, I have felt silenced and repressed, where I feel like I haven't been able to talk to people for years except on here and in close friendships. Leaving that rural community was a mistake as I have cried quite a bit over the last 8 years missing the real people who were down to earth. At least there if I disagreed I would be heard and still treated like a human being. Here, they just want me to stay shut up. Dead-inside sorts, going through the motions, and one finds themselves bored to the core with it all.

The "Christian" world has become one of even more conformity. It has worsened in the last ten years.  The non-believers who complain about Christian "pod people" are on to something. They are absolutely correct about silly externals and appearances being focused on.  Their disgust matches mine, with the core difference, they rejected Jesus Christ based on the Mustard Tree of deceit. I wish I could have sat down with the ex IFB pastor guy and tell him, "Yeah, you are absolutely right the Christian world stinks". It's false programs, and appearances, and little social codes. It's drivel and busy-work for adults. It's control-freak land. As an ex-Catholic and ex-UU, I never really learned the social codes of the IFB and even in those kind  of churches, in some social ways I never fit in and never would. It was like moving to a town where everyone had been born there.

 That's a guy who needs to see Jesus Christ aside from the fake churches. Nothing he writes shocks me, I thought it all in my 20s. I see his life as having been far easier then mine. He is disabled but I have been sick since I was my mid- 20s, and his health problems are less severe and far less disfiguring. He has a huge extensive family, economic security and has grandchildren. Perhaps his rewards are here.

The churches and Christian system disgust me. I became a UU even watching the TV evangelical preachers in the 1980s, realizing they were all bunk. The religious world is indeed a stinking cesspool. Look at this blog, I've written it for 5 years and haven't had time to expose all the rot, I found out about. The pastors are money-makers first and foremost but many are down right evil. The churches follow every agenda laid out and there's a reason more of them are becoming the same. The church system in fact is part of the control matrix of the elites, with the resultant brainwashing and blind following of political agendas.

I referred to the Luciferians, that guy would say "Ah that's just conspiracy stupidity" but he's in a net I already was in when I was in the UU, listening to the academics, and wealthy academic intelligentsia, who are just as much serfs preaching their religion of "leftism", and lies about the world. They all conform too, to each other, pod people of a different flavor with noses in air and Saabs in the parking lot.  Free Thought organizations are just as intertwined into the system as the churches. They are all rich too. They oppressed people too. They are just as much money-grubbers and system boot lickers as the worse evangelical TV preacher like Bakker.

 When I lived in the gutter, not one Unitarian Universalist offered me a meal or 1 dollar and this was a church of mostly millionaires and the upper middle class. That says something doesn't it? Today's phony Christians running to save the globe, remind me of yesterdays UUs who ignored someone in severe poverty right in front of their face, and told the church to make a collection for some freedom fighter in Bali. I've been in the false churches, sometimes for secular community activities or clubs, where the pastors always travel the globe and have their travelogues on the wall as people live in shacks and burnt out shells of buildings 5 miles across the river. There are a few churches here who do local charity work, but the majority are doing the save the planet nonsense for the United Nations. If you are poor they don't want you "messing" up the place.

I met a man two weeks ago, who overheard my conversation with my husband and told us, he felt like because he was poor area churches did not accept him. He had tried three and left. I told him of my own experiences and how I was done with the church system. Jesus Christ Himself in these churches today would be rejected as a "homeless man" 'without a job'.  He told us how at one church the pastor drove a BMW, and everyone was just fine with this while looking down on him for being impoverished.

I am tired of fake people. Be real or get out. Don't tell me you have a direct line to God and then spend years playing with my mind. Don't send me 70 DVDs extolling the virtues of Missler and then get mad when I see through the guy. Don't use my poverty to pretend to "help" and see me as a worm while doing it. I've had my fill of busy-body gossipy types too. I have learned to avoid them like the plague around here. Their eyes of condemnation and always lecturing me like a schoolmarm. Brained washed by the likes of David Ramsey, they see the poor as "children" who must be set on the right road and who have made bad decisions. Even those of us at an advanced age, seem to live under a cloud of oppression from wealthy narcissistic Baby Boomers with endless entitlement and smugness. They aren't any better at 70 then they were at 50. They still tell us we are no good because white picket fence dreams never existed for us. Their oppression for those unlike them never ends.

2 Timothy 3:5King James Version (KJV)
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Too many approach God with this thought that if they "appear" good, God will accept them. How about getting real and telling the truth? God will know anyway. The world sees the hypocrisy and turns away from God in absolute disgust. They know when people are faking it. Too many Christians present themselves as "goody-goody two shoes". "Look at me, look how perfect I am!" It tires me out. I'm not perfect. My life is on the verge of collapse every minute. God has made sure I have a roof and food, but there's no showing off here like the rest of these people are so busy doing. The Duggars are show offs, but there's many like them in churches across this land.

I have encounters with the "Christian" world and many of those have been negative especially in the last ten years. From my vantage point of my own personal circumstances and location, yours may be different, the "Christian evangelical world" seems to be one of these middle class and upper middle class people who live very smug and privileged lives. When I visited the churches around here, I saw no poor people. I was an outliner even from my socioeconomic status alone. Arriving in the church parking lots with my car with its loud muffler, rust spots and cracked windshield was strange since no one else had that old of a car. I need to move.  I want some down to earth people again, like who I had from my old rural community. This place has worn me down so badly. The richer an area the more wicked, take it from me. Please pray for God to rescue me from here, so I can have people around me who treat me like a human being. I would move back to my old town but there's no jobs or medical care.

1 Tim 5:13 And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.

 The churches preached to people with comfortable lives who never have faced any turmoil. They did truly believe in the "best life" now programming and lived it. Their lives were comfortable. Outside grandma facing serious illness and or elderly people dying, people with real troubles were banished.
They were told things like "God is in control" as if God had brought evil things to them or that they needed to have more faith and get a "miracle". One thing I noticed is if people didn't "fix" their problems right away Oprah style, then people lost patience with them. They didn't want to know. They deemed them a failure. The best life now, stuff has been infused into the churches. Even the fundamentalists have a flavor of it, with the focus on competition and life "improvement".  It is a cancer that has taken over. You are told you do not belong unless your life is up to snuff. It happened to me.

I have been judged harshly by the Christian crowd, both as non-believer and a believer. During my non-believer days, a Dutch Reformed cult, that had taken over a place I had an internship at, told me over and over I was hell bound and never preached any gospel. One of the people who worked their taunted someone for being Jewish. Still no gospel, just meanness and coldness. One would be dorm mate when I was listening to U2 on the radio, told me I was listening to the devil's music and almost smacked my radio off it's shelf. I was called "Heathen" by relatives angry that I had left the Catholic church. My view of Christians wasn't very positive. I saw Christians as mean people who wanted to oppress others. Sadly I see much of the same behaviors today.

When I was in my first IFB, I got rebuked for hanging out with too many nonbelievers. I was witnessing to them but was told hanging out with pagans at the coffee house would get me in trouble. I talked this out with the pastor there, but it is something I remember. While these people were kind to me in that particular place and setting, I was not conforming very well and breaking the "unwritten rules".

Some people complain about judgmental Christians, and while I say Christians have a place to judge, in terms of sin, there is debauchery and evil in this world, some people DO suffer under the false judgments of "Christians" who are seeking cruelty first and trying to elevate themselves over on people. I've dealt with the 1 Tim 5:13 type of women. They prey on the vulnerable, as they gossip about your troubles. Prayer lists in churches often are used for the "pity patrol" list as they shake their heads, "Poor Marie getting a divorce...Why won't Sally lose weight?....Jenny has cancer..... I was even made an object of pity in one church when my husband had lost two jobs in a row, one from an economic lay-off and the second from a deceitful boss. The hooded eyes and clucking tongues wearied me. In the last church where I shared some recent troubles during a prayer session, the reaction seemed to be horror. I turned red. Saving face came first in this place and there was no real sharing among the congregation beyond the weather.

Some will pray the right and correct way but often sharing troubles in some of these churches just makes you fodder for the gossip mill. I have realized with horror, status runs the show as it does everywhere else. They flat out ignore the teachings of Jesus to put the poor man at the highest seat at the dinner, and the King and Queen of the Mountain games are still very much in vogue.

Many false Christians are leading people away from God. These people frighten me. They have caused me personal angst in my daily life. I have been severely hurt by the long line of women with haughty eyes looking down on me, with their "perfect families" and advice that tells me I am a "bad person" for not achieving a certain status in society. I am tired of liars too. In many ways a Christian is more in danger from a false Christian then an honest non-believer. They oppress us.

Mean Christians

57 comments:

Anonymous said...

Really you need to find your refuge in Jesus Christ, in the fact that He accepts you. People won't, they have let me down all my life, including my wife, including my children. But I have to remember that Jesus accepts me, and won't let me down.

And when I remember that, I serve Him and Him alone, by serving people even when they hate me or reject me.

I have learned to expect nothing from people. And to expect everything from Jesus. And Jesus delivers.

As for churches, I am the pastor of a church. I have made the point of the place, that we gather to hear the Bible taught. That is it. I make no promises of good "fellowship" or "acceptance from others" or ministry of this kind or that, or any giveaway of whatever kind. The reason to step foot in the door, is because we are going to teach the whole Bible, and we won't be referencing heretics (CS Lewis, or Spurgeon, or even modern false prophets, and on and on...). We're just going to read the Bible, teach it, and stick with that.

There is nothing else that we offer.

If someone thinks that is wrong or unbiblical, I will politely disagree with them. If there was ever a time that there is a need for churches that are just about the Bible and the Bible alone, this is that time. Nobody teaches the Bible. Having looked at all the churches in this area, nobody teaches the Bible.

So the answer is to make the Bible the center, and let God handle everything else. Feed His sheep, and not try to be anything else. Not anymore. Because it becomes so often, what you described in your post.

Anonymous said...

Wow, you needed a rant! I don't really know you; but I used to wonder if I was a bad person,because of my family(who sounds a lot like yours)and all my health problems and all the bad things that have happened to me.. But this odd thing happened to me recently that set me free from that guilt (which I had been praying to be set free from). One of my family members moved close to the others recently, and they all got together(without me of course, I'm not invited ,and I'm o.k. with that mostly)(but some part of you feels a little bad because you did grow up with these people).Well, two of them got into to a hugh fight and are not speaking and I strangely heard from a few of them about it..It became so apparent to me that, after trying to destroy me they were now going to go after each other.It also became really obvious that some of them could not even see what was going on right before their eyes or were going to ignore it..
I just realized that it was never my fault. They were putting that on me to escape their own wickedness..
I have minimal to no contact with almost all of them, but I was glad I made an exception that time.
So I doubt your a bad person (I don't know you),but I will pray that you get some moment of insight like that ,to clarify it..
Peace to you - Sue

Anonymous said...

Also it can be really hard having health problems in this fast paced, youth oriented world. It makes life really hard.
Also ,I did not have children because of fertility problems; and it can make you feel left out, not just in the church, but in our culture.
I don't think you should feel bad. Jesus wants you to use your other gifts. Kind of like "Mary has chosen the better part". Your not meant to work in the nursery at the church.
I haven't read your whole post, but I understand your pain..Hope my comments weren't too muddled.
Sue

Anonymous said...

I have also felt like I was letting Jesus down because "loving your enemy" can be so hard. And most teachings on that, and people will tell you, you should just let people abuse you and just love them while they do that..They seem to forget that it says "If you love me you will keep my commandments". Love is not just a soft mushy anything goes verb.. Jesus called out powerful people who were behaving badly, and he told people the truth. He rebuked even some of his apostles..
Sometimes loving people means telling them the truth even if they don't like you for it..
And at the same time we have to be merciful. Especially to the vulnerable..It's a hard road and very hard to keep our balance..The narrow path is like the balance beam..(used to be a gymnast)
Sue

Anonymous said...

BB, I am sorry for what you have had to endure. I am praying for you and your husband. If I can help with your move just let me know and I would be happy if it is close to us. (1 Corinthians 2:9) - Don

Anonymous said...

I just want to thank you for this post and for your whole blog. I hope it helps you to know that you are not alone, though I know it sure feels that way most of the time. I am a single middle aged woman from Canada, and I can assure you, it is the same way here, minus the Republican spin. I have been saved about 5 years now and everything I have learned has come directly from the Lord, because I can assure you, the truth is not being taught in the upper middle class churches. I used to think it was just me,that I didn't "fit in" but there is no fitting in of the wheat with the tares. There is absolutely no choice for born again believers that to leave the church. Unless you can find that rare gem, like the Pastor who commented above. I church hopped for a while but could never find any who teach only Jesus and the truth. The way truly is narrow.....very narrow. Thankfully the Lord has blessed me with 2 Sister's in Christ who have also been taught by the Lord and they provide great fellowship and friendship. If they hadn't come along when they did, I truly think I would be going quite cuckoo.

I will pray for you and your husband to find peace and fellowship with others who are truly following Jesus and the narrow way. Because we are in the end times with the tribulation fast approaching, true believers will have to go underground or meet in homes and small groups. This I pray for you to find, in Jesus name.

Janice

Anonymous said...

BB, you have bared your soul at the risk of being misunderstood, but am sure that many of those who follow your blog will identify with your rejection and pain. Sadly, most of it comes from fake Christians or Christians who choose to remain blind to the apostasy because they like the comfort of the status quo or Christians who are set in their ways and have little compassion for others.

This is a fallen world and the Church is not immune to the wiles of Satan and the lusts of the flesh especially in these last days when the Bible predicts the rotting of the culture and the apostasy in the Church.

There is a remnant, even in churches, but it is like finding a needle in a haystack. The pastor who posted is an example of that. He is nondescript and not on the radar. Wouldn't it be wonderful if there was a "clearinghouse" as such, a list of churches that are not corrupted or cultic or controlling? In searching for a church one can't go by the Statement of Faith. One has to attend for some time to test the waters to see if the pastor is genuine and if the people are representative of the New Testament early Church.

We have to realize that we cannot just march into a church and lay down a gauntlet such as the fact that Christmas is pagan and we refuse to celebrate it. That is not a place to start because it is a rare church that has come to this conclusion. It is controversial. Right there it throws up a wall. If the church has Christmas Eve service, don't attend. Don't make an issue of it, but wait for the right opportunity, pray for the right time to bring it up so that it does not come across as self-righteous. We have to realize where others are.

If one quietly goes about serving where one can, relationships develop naturally and one then gains currency to bring up certain topics. It takes time and patience. If the pastor is truly teaching from the Bible and is not promoting false teachers, maybe his messages are spirit-led.

It is painful to see others with their warm and fuzzy families - I have been there. But maybe God will call to minister to the children - to teach them in Sunday School. It isn't easy, but God wants us to be a blessing to others. Often it requires us to lower our expectations of how others treat us and instead return evil with good. Often it is unintentional, just thoughtlessness.

It is understandable that one can give up on churches. But frankly, I don't think that is God's will. We can't dictate to anyone their choices until we have walked a mile in their shoes, but as one who has been hurt numerous times and disappointed and dismissed, it is not as if I do not understand or relate.

Life hurts period. Whether it be rejection, poor health or poverty. Rich folks are often the most miserable. It is not about those things. It is about blooming where God has planted us. BB has started this blog - she has bloomed by doing that. She could have curled up in a corner, but this is a ministry she has taken up. It is different for everyone. Some care led into fellowships that are solid and where they can serve. Others search in vain. We don't understand God's ways. But we know He loves us and wants the best for us. But we also know that as believers we have been called to suffer on this earth and often have reproach for the sake of Jesus. We are to count it all joy. Boy is that a tall order!

We can't help but be grieved at the state of the Church, but it no surprise to God Who sees the end from the beginning. We have to continue to press on, fight the good fight even when we feel we don't have an ounce of strength left and it seems that we are rejects. God loves us with a love that no human can. Someday we will be able to experience that face to face and all the challenges we have had will fade into nothingness as we bask in the glories of heaven.

Bible Believer said...


I agree that we must find our refuge in Jesus Christ, and one has to depend on God. I do think we should try to still offer some fellowship and love. This society is doing what it can to shut down people between each other. There is a line too between a normal loving person who disappoints and fleeing the reprobate wicked too. I agree the Bible should be stuck too, but remember scripture mentions Edification, fellowship and support of each other as believers. This is different from the frenzied busy work, and forced cell groups I have warned about. We are living in a society that is growing colder and colder. I left the churches too because so many were just a stage show with no participation. I hope your church does become a real family in Christ where there is love and care and that is a place where God's Word leads you all.

Bible Believer said...

Sue, your family does sound like mine, and yes we need to be free of false guilt, over the actions of the wicked who will unload it on us for control purposes. Wicked people like that will turn on each other, once their usual target departs from them. I often have wondered who the new target is of the group I left, the wicked love strife and so will stir it up no matter who is round. If someone is abused long sadly they blame themselves for the actions of abusers. God can rescue us from this and show us the truth about people like this. He did me though I definitely am still dealing with some aftershocks. Thanks for your words, it does help me feel better. I worry about Christians in this mean and cruel society and often it is the nicer people they go after.


Bible Believer said...

Thanks Sue for related too on the health and the no children thing too. Yes in this culture as well, that makes you a person on the side-lines. Sorry you have faced those things too. I agree about Jesus having me use other gifts. Not everyone is going to fit a certain mold. God will call us to different things.

Bible Believer said...

I agree Sue, about the loving your enemies command, I do think the false churches do not warn of or talk about departing from the wicked. Many seem to teach embrace the wicked instead and this is a false message. There's too many abusers taking advantage of the mushy muddled teachings from false churches that tell the "good" people to sit there and take a pummeling from the wicked. It doesn't work that way. Evil needs stood against.

Bible Believer said...


Thanks Don for your prayers and nice words and the offer to move when it comes up. I don't know when that could come yet but thank you. :)

I am sad to hear things are the same in Canada too. At least you don't have the republicans to deal with but maybe have your own counterpart. Thanks for saying to me you felt it was "you" too or that you didn't "fit in". I have had those thoughts too. Sometimes false guilt came for not having the life the others had as well. You are right there is no fitting in of the wheat with tares. I am glad you have your two good Sisters in Christ and you can be supportive of each other. I get the feeling many others have done the church hopping and had the severe disappointment in the churches too. I appreciate your prayers too Janice :)

Anonymous said...

I long for a church to gain fellowship with my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus. I had a found a KJV only IBC and soon was cold shouldered after talking with the pastor about fake moon landings and its relation to the tower of babel account. He thought I was nutts and told me I needed to grow up. He even jabbed at the idea one sunday morning, 6 months later, from his pulpit, never once discussing the evidence of the masonic hoax that is space travel before ushering me out of his office. prior to this, I got saved in another church in 2009 and was immediately spirit filled and maintained a strong faith for 2 years. I was a new creature and was taught by the Holy Spirit in God's Word. it was an evangelical church with big screens, rock band, cell groups, empowerment workshops etc., is there a counterfeit spirit that could make someone feel saved and based in the truth but far from it? I no longer even know my spiritual condition. I sin so much I no longer feel i should pray?!? I know its wrong...I also have no seemingly real believers to fellowship with and never have. Im too weird for the church and double minded myself now. They love the world. I despise the world and its deception. but im trapped and cold and my heart is dark. I myself am falling into the snare of the world though and sin has crept back in and now im being sifted and im convicted but yet weak, flesh, wretched filth. no foundation and an unswept empty room ....

Bible Believer said...

Thanks anon, I think others have to be facing this too. Like the man who I met who was poor too, he seemed in anguish, and told me he wanted and needed support of a church family but it was not to be. This can cause great pain for people in this world as often churches have served as places for support between people. Yes they are blind to the apostasy and also the growing colder hearts in this society, they love the system that teaches coldness and cruelty. I agree there are saved in the churches, and even the few independents like the pastor who posted here today. Most are likely in rural areas or store fronts, where the true folks preach.

I agree about not marching into churches and laying down gauntlets. All my IFB's practiced Christmas even the good one. It was something I put up with years and I tried to have grace and warn who I had a good opportunity to do so with. I didn't chase people away from me that way but you can tell when you are in a place where that voice will not be listened to not whatsoever. Even there with Christmas I am somewhat surprised so few examine the issue but in my first good IFB there were others like me who did not practice, and Christmas was celebrated by the pastor personally but understated at church. Yes these things all take time and patience. I do regret having been forced to leave the other community. That is one thing where too much moving can hurt a life, you have no roots and end up a stranger. Building relationships takes time. We made the great error of moving in our late middle age. Another move would be difficult. We have to think carefully about all decisions.

Thanks for relating to the pain regarding the warm and fuzzy families. I believe we can reach out in service too. Maybe this is why I had more success in former community, I was younger and had more energy even though I had my health problems. I agree about blooming where planted. I don't know what will happen yet. I'm praying to God about what to do. I agree about not dictating the choice of others and sorry you have faced hurt and disappointment as well. We can only do what we can, and we do not control what others choose to do or not. Some is not willful malice but just thoughtlessness and people truly are overwhelmed now, and that is part of the problem. Even I sometimes get behind keeping up with long distant friends and more.

It is true life is very hard. Even money will not bring automatic happiness and the rich often fear losing it. Some are owned and held to the grindstone of maintaining a certain life style. Money can be a responsibility where more is expected of you. I suppose the poverty has wearied me but then I have to escape myself the lusts of the flesh and the false messages this society and wicked people gave me. Maybe one message of the false teachers out there, is the false expectations they have planted in people's minds about life, they deny that life is hard or that suffering or aging are the natural order of things on this planet and this sets people up for more sadness.

I agree about blooming where God has planted us. Thanks for your kind words about my blog. Yes with the counting it all for joy it is a tall order! LOL Thanks for your encouraging words about pressing on and not giving up. God does love us and one day we will be with Him. This world has plenty of tribulation but one day it will be over. We have to give each other that encouragement to press on and finish the race.

Bible Believer said...

I want to add to the above, I can't tolerate a church practicing Christmas now. I was in the mode of trying to get the truth out there. I think in a place like my first church where ears were opened to an extent, there is more hope there then in a place where ears are closed so this will be a personal choice for each believer judging the waters so to speak.'

Bible Believer said...

Anon sorry you have not had fellowship. Its hard. I do feel like my list of "unsafe subjects" got longer and longer. Even what I considered "lighter" subjects seemed to bring some ire. Telling people about the moon, and other warnings, yes it is hard. They will call you crazy. It has happened for me for other topics. It is very tough because then you wonder who can you talk to? I really am only have successful friendships with people who have a mind for truth. The others who love illusion, usually grow angry, and I am the type to go slow with people but even in that mode, their hatred of the truth translates to hatred of me. That pastor had no right to mock you. I believe space travel is a hoax, and have wrote about it a bit on here. Present me new evidence, that is my approach to questions like those, but even I doubted it thinking a vacuum can't operate in space. In some cases people are not ready, but I will be honest, those who reject the "light" stuff over a long enough time are not going to open their eyes and see the deeper or more obscure truths either.

I am glad you were born again. Do you believe you were truly born again? Did you believe unto Jesus and turn yourself over to Him? Maybe you are in a period of disheartenment please do not give up. I hope you can repent of your sin and turn to God. I have struggled with sin in my above sadness. This can happen but please do not give up. One still has to fight sin as a born again Christian. The fact you are convicted about it, is a good sign. Be sure to listen to that conviction. I have fought my own sins, of bitterness and my own "dark" stuff. Many Christians are feeling alone out there. I am too weird for the churches too.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous said... on October 26, 2015 at 2:02 PM

This is the maybe the most important time for you to cry out to God the Father. Talk to Him.

Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!"

Romans 8:15-17 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.

Romans 8:26-27 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

2Corinthians 5:5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

We have the Helper, the One promised by Jesus Christ Himself! I will be praying for you also.

Joel

Anonymous said...

Comparing ourselves amongst ourselves is not wise. Each person that is truly born again has their own cross and burden to bear. We are to help each other with our
burdens. The thing that has always marked real believers is their love for the brethren. The whole system that you are calling church and "christian" is not. I wish we could come up with another term. The truth is, the real church is doing just fine in their local assemblies. The false,universal thing is doing what it has always done, deceived goats into believing that they were sheep. You say you look at these warm, fuzzy families and that is not your experience. Jesus said that his mother, and brothers and sisters were those that did the will of his Father. The early church cared for one another and sacrificed for one another. You write alot about being poor and sick, and feeling like you are judged for it. But you judged those warm, fuzzy families and all the people who are healthy and maybe wealthy. To whom much is given, much is required. What might that mean for someone? What kind of responsiblities? Raising children is tough, especially to raise Godly ones. Taking care of families, cooking and cleaning, is tough, mundane work that is usually overlooked and unappreciated. Having a business with employees requires alot of time, and attention. The livlihoods of others rest upon your decisions.

It is hard to be without a fellowship. We have been without one for several years now. We are poor. We are often sick. We work hard. We are often lonely. We are often misunderstood. We are not invited to parties. But we are so blessed. We continue to pray for a church. We continue to share as we can. But we cannot get stuck on the unbelieving world (and by this I mean that thing that is masquerading as christian) acting like the unbelieving world. You know, another way of looking at it would be... Those people are experiencing all of the heaven they will ever know. A Christless eternity is spread out before them. They are not even aware of the snare, and if something doesn't change, they will find themselves lost forever.That is worthy of our compassion. "He came unto His own and His own received Him not"...
That is tragic.

Anonymous said...

BB - I agree about most people being given false expectations of life. Life is hard for most people in the world and we do age and our bodies fail us.Suffering and aging are the natural order of things on this planet. Well said.
One thing I notice on peoples comments; and I believe these people to be true believers and that they love Jesus Christ; but I think some of us have experienced really wicked people in our lives and that gives us a different perspective. I think a lot of people have grown up very sheltered.
And Yes I know we are all sinners; but I am talking about reprobate people who have little or no real interest in repenting..People who continually do wicked things..
I think there is a time to separate from them.
Christians take the "Love your enemy" passage and make it the entire Gospel sometimes.. This tires me at times..Lots of people think their enemy is someone who disagrees with them. True enemies destroy your life.. It can take time to forgive and to even pray for them..Plus we have to take the bible in it's entirety..
Well it's late and I don't know where I was going with that..

Anonymous said...

I have a serious chronic illness. So, I don't have the energy to search out a lot of churches. I could discern pretty quickly that things weren't right in the few I went too..People wouldn't even help me with a ride to the service in one church..
For the anon who is not sure he is born again and feels alone and backsliding,don't give up. It sounds like you have a mustard seed of faith. Pray for more faith. Praying for others has always helped me. Read edifying blogs. Ask people to pray for you.
I still don't have any fellowship or Christian friends,though I have Christian acquaintances..My husband is also an unbeliever which is very hard for me.So anyone who feels led to pray for me in this manner I would appreciate it. I am ill so it is hard to get out..
I have come to accept it more and trust God..
BB - I understand how hard it is to have money circumstances. I feel ackward going to churches today because of my clothes, my car, my teeth. I am a middle aged woman now too. It can be difficult..I grew up with money and now I have money stress. It's difficult to have grown up in abundance and to now struggle as you age and have more needs..
There is a website this woman runs that talks about lots of the issues you just posted about and the childless issue and similar things. But she has lost some of her faith so I give it with hesitation, not recommendation. She does have some good insights into the false doctrines that get put on women and the childless and such..
Her site is christianpundit.wordpress.com
I sense she is starting to get some of her faith back, maybe..
May God Bless you - Sue

Anonymous said...

BB, for what it's worth, I always -- but especially here -- relate so much to what you write. I have tremendous admiration for what you've accomplished with this blog. I pray for you and will continue to.

If I'm ever blessed financially, you're at the top of my list to share it with.

Anonymous said...


BB, every time you say you want to move I wish it was near me - wish I could meet you. As for the churches it is difficult because once you see things, it's hard to ever look away and not see. It's infecting all the churches and I think Christians, real ones, are left taking the good along with the bad and either trying to overlook it or forcibly ignoring what's coming in. It takes a lot to stand firm till the end. It's going to take even more, and with what the churches are offering people, there's going to be a lot of really weak Christians when push comes to shove. I find myself after researching and reading for the last five years, basically keeping my mouth shut because nobody wants to hear anything. My feeling is that the warning time is over. Not that God's grace can't work in people's lives and still save them, but judging by how everything is "positive and encouraging" only, there is no room for anyone who wants to raise a concern. Considering Paul's suffering and Peter and many others, we should not be shocked by it. Be encouraged, though, there are some out here in internet land that are true believers! :)
~Labby

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:02, do not doubt your salvation. Salvation is a free gift that is given to you when you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. John 3:16, John 6:47, Rom. 4:5, Acts 16:31. If it is a free gift, you do not work for it.

When you begin to look to your own works to gauge your salvation, you will find that your own works fall short of God's standard, which is perfection. Do not trust in your own works, but in the finished work of Christ on the Cross when He atoned for all your sin. I know this is Gospel 101, but how easy it is to forget it.

The fact that you are disturbed and guilty over your sin is actually a good sign. Return to the Lord. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." I John 1:9

Anonymous said...

Hi BB,

You are not alone in what you have experienced, what you are experiencing, and what you are yet to experience. I have faced so much of the same in my own walk with Christ, before and after being saved, and still til this very day, and I accept it will continue forever. I have also dealt with the most sadistic and evil people one could ever meet on this earth, people so wicked that I never could comprehend they even existed on this earth prior to this.

I expect so many, if not all of us will walk the same path.

And it is an ever increasingly lonely path, with almost no-one else in sight any more, with the final remnant now finishing walking the narrow path and in through the strait gate. It seems to me the final call has already been made. Each day I read the news now - the world is like it just got 10 times worse than the day before, and many of its people 10 times more reprobate. It’s happening so fast now, each day multiplied waxing more worse than the previous.

It doesn’t get any clearer than this:

John 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

The Light of Christ shines upon us, and it shows to the wicked, and that light is what exposes the evil around us, which is why we are so hated often without even saying a word. It's going to get so much worse.

So many beautiful comments on this post too, it’s so good to hear from so many once more.

From my experience, praying for our enemies, including the most wicked can only be achieved with the help of the Holy Spirit. However there will be a time given to us to cease praying for the wicked - and I think we will each know that time as we are directed.

Jeremiah 11:14 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.

Blizzard of Bugs said...

I hear you BB. One of your commenters mentioned it being the day of Jeremiah-I agree. I look forward to being with the Lord Jesus Christ. I feel like The apostle Paul when he was torn between doing the Lord's work on the earth and being with him. Stay strong BB. How is your husband? Has he been open to the gospel yet? Also, another commenter talked about God having a remnant, it is true.

Anonymous said...

If you are suffering from physical problems or rejection of fellow Christians remember that Jesus suffered far more than we can ever imagine before and on the cross.

Luke 22:42-46 saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done." Then an angel appeared to Him from heaven, strengthening Him.
Luk 22:44 And being in agony, He prayed more earnestly. Then His sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground. When He rose up from prayer, and had come to His disciples, He found them sleeping from sorrow. Then He said to them, "Why do you sleep? Rise and pray, lest you enter into temptation."

The human body protects it’s self from physical trauma by shutting off the nerves that send pain signals to the brain. But the human body has no such process for mental pain and distress. We cannot imagine the mental anguish Jesus suffered while God put the sin of the whole world upon Him. I think of just my own sin and it is too much for me to handle, but Jesus took that and everyone else’s sin also.

Yes we are to bear one another’s burdens, but it is Jesus who actually carries all our burdens. Place your complaints at the foot of the cross. Have Jesus cover them in the blood, take up your cross and follow Him.

Joel

Anonymous said...

As another anonymous said, the person struggling with salvation needs to believe that Jesus Christ paid for all sins with His death on the cross, and that believing in Jesus for eternal life means having eternal life. That easy, that simple, that permanent.

Bible Believer, my point was that if a church is about the Bible and nothing else, then you will have people coming that are about the Bible and using it alone as the standard, thus you would have a better chance of getting the kind of fellowship that you are looking for. Since no churches (practically) teach the Bible, then the chance of the kind of fellowship you seek, is zero.

So the motivation for going to church should be to hear the Word of God (assuming it's taught at all). And then the Lord can build in hearts from that. But if you go looking for the world's greatest fellowship experiences, you will be let down, guaranteed. Start with the one thing, and let the Lord build from there.

And even with that, don't put too much expectation on people. They will let you down, even if they are as Biblical as can be. Only Jesus will satisfy that longing of the heart.

Anonymous said...

BB - I would like to see you do a post about the atheist world. There is something very fishy there; and some doubters might stumble across your post and it will save them from going to the atheist's sites for answers.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 8:18,

Some of the most wicked and evil people attend church on a regular basis, with some being elected into leadership where they can abuse the Body of Jesus Christ. If believers are truly born again and following the leading of the Holy Spirit, such people would not choose to do evil against people for they know their accountability on that final day before Christ will be unbearable. These evil doers love to lord it over people in destroying godly peoples reputations, their marriages, their relationship with their children and families, and eventually their faith in Christ alone for salvation.

As said in Timothy, "...having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

Most churches in our area are following the Hebrew Roots movement, the health, wealth and prosperity movement, the blood moons saga, or the mystic/cult signs and wonders movement complete with drunken spirits, secret sexual sins, and divorce rates at an all time high. Exactly what does a safe fellowship look like?

Scott Wasinski said...

Tears never fall in vain. I am also in an almost identical situation (as are most people that come here). Even though He foretold us and gives us grace, it still doesn't take the pain away and I also look forward to when this vapor is over and He will wipe away the tears from our eyes.

Yep.

I am weary with it all and the days of darkness have not yet begun.

He that endures unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Anonymous said...

Here are some ideas. I have tried them or know people who have so I speak from experience.

Decide what your goal is. Is it fellowship, or fellowship and evangelism, or also warning about the apostasy in the church, etc.? Bible study and worship, prayer, etc. is assumed to be among the goals.

There are several options. First, you could place an ad somewhere, the internet, newspaper, flyers, etc. that advertise a bible study. Second, you could also (depending on the situation) get a booth and table and set up in a place with a lot of foot traffic. You could have a more simple set up too and bring what you need for weather, (umbrella, chair, water, etc.). The point is advertisement. Yes, you have the legal right to do this.

Get prepared. If you want to evangelize too, get a basic print out of the gospel and some basic tracts and a bible of course. There are resources on line about tracts but we all should know the gospel basics and if not, it's a necessary exercise. Those who get saved can now come to your fellowship instead of ending up trapped in an apostate church. If you want to include material about the apostasy, you can include information about that and a list of research websites and blogs. For the bible study and fellowship, just think of what you need for a church setting:

Bibles, a doctrinal statement of basic gospel beliefs, etc., an operational protocol for addressing heresy, sin, etc., where to meet (can rotate among homes, etc.), worship song sheets, communion ordinance supplies, childcare, etc.

What you DON'T need: an offering plate, other people's books, etc. (I rule those out by default), a large fancy building, a paid staff, a drum set, programs, legal paperwork (it's just a private meeting of friends which does not need regulation or registration paperwork, etc.)

If no 'pastor' is present just read the bible and share. It is no different than home fellowship settings and better than nothing. God may raise up a true pastor in this setting, the real test is if he is willing to do it without a salary. I am.

Yes it can be scary starting with strangers, but that is the only way it happens. Plan it all out, pray about the details. Include enough information to screen out those who are not open to warnings about the apostasy, etc.

Like that one above said, it will grow from the Word of God. Just in case things get out of line; apostasy sets in via people promoting false teachers and their books, etc., or whatever, remember it is a group of people. If they won't listen to your warnings and it takes on a life of its own, just abandon it and start again. All you can do is try. You did not create a bad group, they were apostate and would meet in an apostate church anyway so don't blame yourself if this happens. Just move on and keep trying. Many are doing this now.
Pray for God's leading.

God bless all the scattered sheep; the true brethren.

Joy said...

Labby, I'm glad to hear from you. When I first started reading here, you were a frequent contributor to the comments. I was encouraged by what you shared.

I pray for many of you on here, even those who have gone silent. I don't like it when the discussions get too heated, but I'm thankful for the bible verses in the comments, the chance to encourage each other. Again BB, thank you. In your illness, poverty, loneliness, you've still, through God's strength, provided a place of hospitality for all of us to be a little less alone, for us to build one another up, to share verses. I know it's not perfect, but it is something.

Joy

Anonymous said...

If you are not treated as equal member of the body of Christ, it never was and will never be true fellowship. Jesus Christ is the head of the body and we are just different members, none of the members are more important as Paul discusses. I use this guideline when dealing with large groups, small groups and a personal basis. When I am not treated as an equal, I move on. (Matthew 7:12 & Luke 6:31) - Don

KJVmom said...

It has really been mind boggling to read all these comments on this post and the Running from the Churches post. My heart and prayers go out to each of you who have been burned by the church system. I'm too am very wary of most fellowships, knowing about the end time apostasy and all the garbage going on. I think my older children sometimes think I'm unloving, but we can love others without fellow shipping with them. At the present time I remain with my fellowship. It is far from perfect and I don't agree with everything, but our elders do not receive a salary and I have never felt I was wanted only for the money I can contribute. Each member is encouraged to participate in something because each is valued. All male members are expected to lead at some point in a worship service. Sick members are not ignored;last year a member had a torn aorta and we were requested at 2am to pray for him as he went into surgery. I'm not trying to brag, but Indonwant people to know there are some good churches left. How long will the Lord have me stay? I can't answer that.
BB, I am sorry about all your health problems; I am glad your husband sticks with you. My husband does the same, even as my health problems increase. I also experienced infertility, although Indid have 2 biological children 11 years apart. Now I just had a melanoma removed from my face, among other things, but my faith remains strong.
Interesting about the goatees-is this a fad in some circles?

Anonymous said...

Happy Reformation Day!
This is like the sequel to it I guess...
:D

Anonymous said...

Amen Don. Amen.

Anonymous said...

I honestly feel I could have written this blog post, because is so closely parallel's my own circumstances. Bible Believer, thank you for your commitment to your blog as it has been a very helpful resource many times.

Does anyone know of any church that is not compromising, if so please list them, preferably one that can be accessed online.

Thank you, and God bless you.

Anonymous said...

My heart goes out to you

My experience is very close to yours...roman catholic and catholic
schools in my youth and a refugee from calvary chapel

and since then for years now in the wilderness alone with Jesus

somehow recently the song by Michael W Smith titled "My Place in
this world", rings true about todays church

even as a new follower of Christ 20 years ago, the theme to that song
always bothered me. Here is why

It glorifies the self, seeking satisfaction in this world. We are not
friends with the world as james said....and if we are, we are enemies of God

We have no place in this world for it is written in Hebrews 11 about
the great men and women of Faith:

13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

We are strangers and pilgrims on this earth....outcasts to non believers

Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach. heb 13

we persevere by looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our Faith who
for the joy set before Him endured the cross

The Gospel truth is not taught in America...nor the cost involved

It is about Your Best life now....not partaking of the fellowship
of His suffering...but what God can do for you

instead of this

After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward.”

He IS our reward

to know Him is

eternal life

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. john 17:3

Christsfreeservnt said...

Jesus said that we are blessed (honored; commended) when we willingly endure persecution, false accusations, rejection and mistreatment for the sake of his name, and for the sake of the gospel of Jesus Christ. So, we should rejoice and be glad that we share in the fellowship of Christ’s sufferings. We will richly be rewarded in heaven.

He told us that if we follow him as his disciples that we will be treated as he was treated, and will be hated as he was hated, so we should expect that to happen if we want to live godly lives in Christ Jesus.

And, we should not be afraid of what humans may do to us. Jesus Christ will give us all we need to endure, to persevere, and to continue in our faith and in our testimonies for Christ. He will see us through even the darkest of times and bring us safely home to heaven. We just have to trust him, and not give way to fear. We, as well, must forgive our persecutors because Jesus Christ forgave us all our sin; and we should pray for them.

All Through the Night / An Original Work / December 7, 2013

Based off Various Scriptures

Blessed are you when you’re persecuted
Because of your faith in Jesus Christ.
Blessed are you when people insult you,
And falsely say what leads folks to doubt.
Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is
Great in the heavens. You’re not alone.

When you are persecuted in one place,
Flee to another. God will be there.
You will be hated by all the nations
Because you testify of God’s grace.
Many will seize you and persecute you,
And put to death the foll’wers of Christ.

Yet, do not fear what humans may do to you,
For I’m with you all through the night.
I tell you, love your enemies with my love,
And forgive as I forgave you.
Pray for those who do evil against you.
Rest in my love and grace from above.

https://vimeo.com/112899981

elizabeth condrey said...

I, too, came out of the Catholic Church. I don't think the general Christian public can fathom the amount of issues we have to work out as a result of catholism. You seem very wounded to me and I identify completely. The Lord separated me into Him for seven long years. During that time I lost all my friends and didn't speak to my family for two years. I would never want to go thru that again BUT it was the most precious gift of the Lord. I spent seven years letting Him peel each emotional layer away. All of it. I emerged completely healed whole and full of the Holy Spirit. The Lord brought me a group of 5 other believers in a women's bible study. From there He grew it to 21 couples. For ten years these 21 couples have been our extended family. We meet weekly for a two hour meal and then a potluck meal afterwards. Use this time to surrender. He knows every single hair on your head! He knows your pain and your dreams. Let the potter mold you. God Bless

elizabeth condrey said...

I, too, came out of the Catholic Church. I don't think the general Christian public can fathom the amount of issues we have to work out as a result of catholism.

You seem very wounded to me and I identify completely. The Lord separated me unto Him for seven long years.

During that time I lost all of my friends and didn't speak to my family for two years. I would never want to go thru that again

BUT it was the most precious gift of the Lord. I spent seven years letting Him peel each emotional layer away. All of it.

I emerged completely healed whole and full of the Holy Spirit. The Lord brought me a group of 5 other believers in a women's bible study. From there He grew it to 21 couples.

For ten years these 21 couples have been our extended family. We meet weekly for a two hour bible study and then a potluck meal afterwards.

Use this time to surrender.

He knows every single hair on your head! He knows your pain and your dreams.

Let the potter mold you. God Bless

Bible Believer said...

I'm working on the atheist article now, may have to break it down into several articles. It is going to show some of the NWO ties. Some of this is a given, the left is NWO to the max, but some of the connections will be of interest.

Bible Believer said...


Thanks everyone for responding to this article. I have found many words and shared scriptures of comfort.

Thanks for your prayers Joel, yes I am crying out to God.

I agree about avoiding comparisons anon, definitely in this culture, they are always telling us to compare each other and everything is a competition and it is leading to many broken and hurt hearts.
I agree this system is not the church. I wish we could come up with another term too. As I am writing the atheist article, I will be talking about the things I learned in UU, they infused into the regular church world. So many thoughts to break down. The system is a shimmering illusion, it is not of God whatsoever.

Yes I loved that Jesus said, that about those being of his real family doing the will of the Father. As family oriented as the churches are, think about how Jesus repeated that message several times. He even had departed from his family to go preach. The family first crowd would have condemned Jesus themselves.

Yes there can be more responsibilities for those in those families and different burdens I agree many are getting their rewards now and how horrific is that?

Yes the false expectations are setting many people up for a fall. In America, they lie about life here and shove it's real troubles under the carpet so no one deals with what is going on, this makes the realities of illness, death, and other tragedies even more horrific to people. They are not prepared. They deny aging. I'm of the age now where people are started to die off around me. Gen X is not living as long as Baby Boomers have. I have friends who have died in their mid-40s. This of course is not being talked about out there. The world presents false delusions that lead to object misery. I believe many people are true believers, but have no faced the wicked people some of us others have. I am not sure how God works that out, but I would rather have had life free of so many of the wicked and other challenges. This does not mean someone who has had an easier life is less of a Christian. Sometimes I do find myself wishing I could have been one of those sheltered people instead of going through what I have. I suppose God is using them for His own purpose which is the way I understand it. Yes it is time to separate from the wicked, some I gave too many chances to. I realized some were never going to change. Agree many will destroy your life. I had a few almost succeed with that on me.

Bible Believer said...

I will pray for your chronic illness anon.

My energy started going in terms of searching out churches too. The expectations are too high. For an ill enough person being somewhere every Sunday can be a great burden. Thanks for your kind words to the struggling commentator. You should have been able to get a ride. I have faced that too. I am working on accepting my circumstances and being content. It is a struggle but something I am working on myself, and I pray things get easier for you.



Thanks anon for relating to me about being poor and not having the right cars, or clothes or even teeth. I think many of us grew up with money and were not prepared. I dropped from the upper middle class as a child to the destitute class. Being middle aged or aging in this youthful focused society is tough too. Thanks for the website, I will check it out soon. :)

Thanks anon for your kind words regarding my blog.


Thanks anon, yes once we wake up to the churches, we can't sit there blindly listening to the political rants. My husband remarked on my face during that last war praising Memorial service and says he could see me thinking, "Oh no not again, and I can't sit here and listen to this." I have met the Christians who stay knowing it is so bad. Some have told me "We don't want to be alone" and "Where else will my children learn the bible or have fellowship?" There's not easy answers to these questions though I think compromise is usually a very bad path and is one thing setting up many weak ones. In my case, I was told to "Get out" without reservations. Thanks Labby, I agree true believers are out there.


Agree anon, no works save, the false churches push works constantly.


Anon, I have dealt with very wicked people too. I have a good husband but have encountered sociopaths and others, that well they would shock people. Some would never believe people this evil or conniving could even exist but they do. The time of people waxing cold is here, and it is worsening. I can see the hearts darkening around me. I have my own sins to contend with but one can see the growing evil in this world. There is too much coldness. I and a friend discussed how people seem more "shut down" now like they are traumatized. This world will hate the true believer. I remind myself of those verses. You are right many do hate the true Christian just for the light of Jesus Christ that shines upon their sins.


1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

BB my husband has become more open to the gospel, keep praying. Yes I will try and keep strong. I look forward to being with the Lord too. Yes Paul was torn and that is definitely understandable. Sure many of us think that way considering how crazy this world has become.

Agree about the suffering of Jesus Christ all his friends on earth had betrayed him too, something I reminded myself of when dealing with some of the things I faced.


I agree about not focusing on people and seeking fellowship experiences will be a giant let down, definitely. The chances are nearly zero, LOL we are seeing that watching the church world. They are always skewing the Bible. Fellowship is being used for false doctrine anyhow, with the cell groups and other ones they are setting up for all the lonely people. I hate seeing that happen. Even I could feel the pull of thinking wouldn't that be great a small group that looks out for one another, but they are using these things. One has to seek Jesus Christ first, humans can't fulfill all of our needs or even to fill what may be an empty place inside as one is seeking for the Lord.

Bible Believer said...

Yes I am working on the atheist article now, it's long, and convoluted. I will be talking about ties of NWO to atheist left world. Obama's parents were UUs even. LOL I find out some strange things at times. Well his Chicago church was a very UU linked denomination. I may have to break it down into a series of articles. So may post some short things but then will be posting this stuff. I am going to be talking about a lot of what I faced as an atheist, and how even how what was taught to me in UU was infused into the Christian churches. This has WORSENED over the years.

I agree many of the wicked are using church for a cover. More of a reason to stay out. Some of the betraying friends I mentioned presented themselves as "holy church women", in many ways those type of people can hurt us far worse then the open pagans or atheists. At least I know what I am getting when people are honest with me.

Yes some of these churches are practicing open witchcraft, count NAR among them.

Scott, I will pray for you too, I feel sad over many people suffering what I am but we will one day be blessed and in heaven with God. I tend to believe more and more it is the true Christian who is suffering in this world, we still have a conscience and feelings and a heart for God that breaks in this terrible world.

Bible Believer said...

I am short on time will be back to respond to later comments.

Anonymous said...

Hi. I have been interested in reading these comments. I have been a Christian nearly 30 years now & the past 11years have been very difficult in the various churches I have been to. Recently thought I'd found good house fellowship but had to leave there due to false doctrines. Now just meeting with one married couple in our homes. This feels such a blessing, such liberty from oppressive, conforming pressures.
My husband left me for my faith & I like many get shunned to different degrees by extended family. I have often felt very desperate & on edge 're complete lack of any single Christian person whom I could trust, so for the Lord to recently give me this couple then I now feel very blessed indeed.
The Lord has taught me much about His amazing love & His instruction to love one another & obey His commands.
I keep reading my bible & try to stay close to Him.
Life does look rather scary ahead as days get darker but there are still blessed moments of sharing my faith to give me joy.
May we encourage one another to stay close to the Lord Jesus Christ, reading His Word, & obeying all that we can.
Mary

Bible Believer said...

Hi Mary, I am sorry your house fellowship went into false doctrine and glad you have a married couple to meet with. So sorry you lost your husband to the faith, and have been shunned. It is good God sent you people to fellowship with. Yes keep close to the Lord, and we always have joy in sharing the faith. God to many of us is our only hope in this darkening world. God bless you.

Anonymous said...

Bible Believer I feel very alone as well and at times ask God if there are any happy righteous people. I left the apostate church system going on 3 years ago. I come from a Roman Catholic background as you. I did visit some churches but because of some strange teachings, would not allow myself to return. It is lonely though. I have made the same observations as you-- that the Church crowd seem to enjoy themselves so much, they partake of festivities, enjoy fellowship, have lots of friends and are well surrounded. I do not celebrate Halloween, Christms or Easter. For me , often I feel so alone, the time seems to crawl by and go so slowly.

At times these "pod people" remind me of the old timey dolls where you pull the string and they say the same 4 or 5 things over and over again. "God is love". "Bless your heart". , "You' re awesome!" etc... It is almost impossible to have a conversation of any depth-

Anonymous said...


continued from above -I, as well, have noticed the meanness that comes from this crowd and have given it much thought as I live in Appalachia-"the Bible Belt" (I moved from Catholic New Orleans) 10 years ago - I think the wretched state of the evangelical church today stems from Calvinism-- which can go by many names" Perseverance of the Saints" Once Saved always Saved, Eternal Security of the Believer, Once in grace always in grace' or sometimes the "preservation of the saints". They believe that once a person becomes born again, they will remain saved "no matter what". If you point out to them wickedness of someone who was saved, they'll say "well, that person was never saved to begin with" yet they insist that King David remained saved and on the road to heaven while he was still in adultery and murder. (Had he died in that spiritual condition before he had a chance to repent, he would have gone to hell) Romans 11:19-23 talks of not being arrogant toward the branches that were cut off because we too could be cut off" In fact, we are told to be afraid-- not arrogant" This Calvinism- has resulted in an arrogance which can be mean. Corinthians says that "love delights in the truth" not in wickedness. Though this teaching originated in the Garden of Eden when the devil told Eve she would not surely die (spiritually due to sin) John Calvin systematized this teaching and is hailed as a great theologian though he burned at the stake with green wood Michael Servetus-- murdered him over doctrine because Servetus wrote insulting references in Calvin's book about "grace". Where there is false doctrine, there is no love. If you want to start a controversy, go into a room full of Baptists and tell them, you don't believe in Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) . The same spirit John Calvin had, shows its ugly head. I have often thought that I got a fairer "shake" from the rank and file pagans than from the Calvinists. At least the pagans believe in karma (though a false doctrine it does operate with the God given conscience). Karma is a doctrine of pay back. The problem with these "elect" Calvinists is there is no payback for their conduct, sin, indifference to the lost, because "Once Saved Aways Saved"

This doctrine is responsible for more ignorance, lukewarmness, apostasy, fruitlessness and sin. So many homes have been broken up, people blew their brains out thinking they would go to heaven because they were OSAS, etc.. I know a minister who has a prison ministry as well and has stated that one of the prisoners said that "multitudes were in here because of this "eternal security" or Once Saved Always Saved. I hand out a lot of gospel tracts to folks here and try to warn people that Eternal Security is false- that this life is a test, we are not in heaven yet and we need to be on our spiritual guard as the Bible is full of spiritual casualties. I am often accused of believing a "works salvation" which is false-- I believe we are saved by grace and cannot save ourselves, but we must live holy, sin can defile us, we can fall from grace, etc.. 2 Peter ch 2 and Jude both talk about these teachers.

For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity— 2 Peter 2:18. Jude says we must contend against these people who change grace into a license for immorality- that we are to snatch them from the flames of judgment.

Though I am accused of being unloving and self-righteous, my motivation to share Bible verses (Jesus is the Truth - is the Word) - my motivation is a desire to help them escape an eternity of misery and torment- the idea of which gives me great sorrow.

Anonymous said...

Continued from above- sorry to chop it up like this but I'm not so computer savvy and the program told me it was too long. Here is the last bit.
Bible Believer, I do not know what part of the country you live in, but here in the "Bible Belt" I am in the heart of OSAS (Calvisnism) country and it has wrecked the church beyond repair and is I believe playing a big role if the great apostasy we are seeing unraveling before our eyes. It is a different gospel and has caused people to malign the way of truth. (2 Peter 2)

Thank you for giving me a forum to share this as I also feel very lonely and am greatly disheartened by the state of the modern apostate "Church" and all the precious souls that are ensnared by these death traps. God bless you.

Anonymous said...

Praying for you Bible Believer. I'm very alone, too. The false churches are everywhere. I stopped going a few years ago. Other Christians can't understand why I'm so judgmental. I can't understand why they believe anything anyone tells them. Pointing out false teaching, people look at you like you are crazy. I can print out Bible verses that are very clear - but people do not see. One young man said, "We need to accept everything so people will see how loving and tolerant we are!" How crazy is that. Pointing out false teaching to the church ladies/pastor will get you the unloving label real fast.
I have to say that the picture of the fuzzy family probably isn't as fuzzy as it appears. There are usually problems below the surface. Things aren't always what they seem. I came from a family that was big into keeping up the front.
Thanks for your blog. You help me see I'm not alone. My husband is a nonbeliever and I wonder how long he'll stay with me. I am trying to prepare myself for the fact that I may be very alone in my immediate surroundings. People wise, anyway. At this point I would rather be alone than in the apostate church. It makes my stomach turn.
I've had a couple women that I knew for a number of years. They said they were Christians, went to church, etc. And then I had the opportunity to see how they acted and talked with other people - and it sure wasn't like a Christian! Some people act like whoever they are around to be 'liked'. So phony. Thanks again. You and everyone here suffering because of the truth, are in my prayers.

Anonymous said...

Does Sin Addiction Have You Bound? This is for anonymous who posted Oct 26. Link at bottom.

"The vast problem of sin addiction and the spiritual remedy is not always taught in church!drunkenness, drunk, alcoholic, alcoholism That is why we all need to search the pages of the Bible for ourselves to learn the vital truths of God, especially about salvation. In that regard, if there has ever been a chapter describing the Christian that has been hated and avoided by the popular religious leaders of our day it has to be Romans 6. This is especially true among the eternal security proponents who want us to think:sin addiction (1) we must sin all the time and (2) distort grace into something it isn’t. They wrongly apply Romans 7:14-25 to the Christian and wickedly avoid Romans 6 or grossly distort it. Romans 6 is the freed from sin addictions Christian—not Romans 7:14-25, as most have been wrongly taught. The following is true grace teaching and shows what really happens at the point of a real salvation and what the new creation is:

What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? (Rom 6:1,2)

This Is What The TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE Means
A person must die to sin to get spiritual life. This is another way of saying repent or perish (Luke 13:3; 2 Peter 3:9), turn from idols to serve God (1 Thess. 1:9), love and obey Jesus before all others (Mt. 10:37,38), believe on Jesus (John 3:16; Acts 16:31), etc. If a person is not willing to let go of his idols he can NOT be saved and will not be freed from sin addictions by Jesus’ blood (Rev. 1:5), even if he prays a prayer, confesses Jesus, gets baptized, joins a congregation, etc. He must sincerely, wholeheartedly turn away from his wicked sinful life.

Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. (Rom 6:3-5)

Anonymous said...

The post is too long but here is the link where anonymous from Oct 26 can read more if he wants to. I hope this helps.

Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? (Rom 6:16)

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/romans6.htm

Anonymous said...

Hello everybody. Below is a link in response to the person who said they would like an internet church. I have signed up and receive it in my inbox every Sunday morning and I must say that it is the highlight of my week. It has really helped keep me on the straight and narrow. Often throughout the week, I listen to some of the many audio sermons, mini teachings, etc. There are also audio testimonies that I enjoy listening to as well. It makes me feel less alone. The site is like a little set of encyclopedias and has been a valuable resource. Please check it out. God bless you. PS- There have been people on there from England, Zimbabwe, Sweden and other countries that speak English saying that the internet church is a refuge for them and they have been unable to find any sound churches in their area/ This is definitely a world wide phenomenon.

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/

In the middle of the page it says subscribe to the internet church.

Anonymous said...

I understand you. I try very hard to live a clean Christian life. I do fail and sin like other people but I try to be more holy. I see so many homeschooled teens with blogs. They have the holier than thou attitude. Some read Harry Potter, some are against it but they read Narnia and Lord of the Rings and find no fault whatsoever! I've tried to tell them the evils of Narnia and Lord of the Rings but they are all so blinded by Satan. Some ignore me completely and some will argue with me and say "but God hasn't shown me anything evil in those books!" I'm thinking of not even trying anymore to help the so called "Christian young bloggers" because they would rather enjoy fantasy than give it up for the truth of their Saviour.

Anonymous said...

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