Sunday, September 20, 2015

Verse Proof for the Trinity

This verse is for anyone who seeks to demote Jesus Christ or to say He is not fully God and for those who deny that God is three in one.

John 14:8-11King James Version (KJV)
Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

14 comments:

Christsfreeservnt said...

Hebrews 1:8-9 (Where God the Father refers to Jesus as God): But of the Son He says,

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.
9 “You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness above Your companions.”

Anonymous said...

John 20:28 - Don

Bible Believer said...

Thanks for that verse Chrisfreeservnt. There are endless verses that make the Trinity clear in the Bible.

I have removed Kayfabe's link, not something I wanted to have to do, but this is a core Christian basic. I am praying he reconsiders those beliefs he has been taught.

Anonymous said...

KAYFABE: In professional wrestling, kayfabe /ˈkeɪfeɪb/ is the portrayal of staged events within the industry as "real" or "true," specifically the portrayal of competition, rivalries, and relationships between participants as being genuine and not of a staged or pre-determined nature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe

Keyfabe is a word describing a professional deceiver and deception. It is the mask of a deceiver.

As you've said BB, they always mark themselves.

Has anyone figured out which religion he was witnessing for? As he wasn't being open about this, only witnessing for his undisclosed church / faith.

Anonymous said...

Kayfabe appears to be Seventh Day Adventist. A Millerite.

SDA sacred name stuff here:
https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1958/07/the-name-of-jesus

This would also fit into his other thoughts on STAUROS, XULON etc, wrong perceptions of translated words, yet no Gospel.
Same as their Millerite SDA brothers, the JWs.

Other "history lessons" he seems to want to teach us are also most likely directly from the same SDA magazine, and not from personal research.
https://www.ministrymagazine.org/

Just like my own elderly parents will quote the Watchtower magazine to me, but never the Bible. The "Watchtower" is the tower of Babel and highly revered in the occult btw - even their logo is from a statue of Semiramis (builder of the tower) / Isis, Ashteroth et al. They will stare at the Bible verses I quote and they will point blank refuse to acknowledge God's Word. They cannot see past their organisations teachings, or that their leaders are wrong in any way. Their leaders are directed by God, and that's it. A pure cult mentality.

I think it's time to pray for Kayfabe, that he may be lead out of the SDA, and to the truth of Jesus Christ.

And if he is SDA, he also believes Jesus was God's favourite angel, adopted by God to be His Son, and that an angel died for our sin. And if you believe that, then there is NO NEW COVENANT according to Hebrews 9:16... the entire New Testament is FALSE if Jesus is not GOD. And that's the very danger of all Christ denying cults and why they all must deny Christ as God. For if Christ be not God, then there is no new Covenant between God and man, and none of us have any hope. Lest we quickly rebuild Solomon's temple and start killing animals again, while awaiting for our real Messiah to appear. See where this deception goes... straight to the pit. This is why all cults deny Christ as God. Kill the deity of Christ and you kill Christ altogether.

Isaiah 7:14 - Immanuel = "God with us"
Isaiah 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

How can an angel receive the spirit of Stephen? Why is Stephen praying to an angel and calling an angel God?

I could write an entire book proving the deity of Jesus Christ ;)

Why quote from the King James Bible, which clearly differentiates the Spirit of God, from the spirit of man, or other spirits. When you believe that the Spirit of God is an active force, which in Millerite literature would instead read 'spirit'. Other times the cults will play other words games and say things like "God's spirit".

Even when they start the Jesus is Michael the Archangel Millerite spiel, Michael translates to "He who is as God". So let's use that as our starting point in conversation before getting into the meat of these Michael verses. I've translated Michael, so how about any Millerite properly translate "Archangel" before we begin...

Kayfabe, here's a start for you - to see the foundations of your beliefs are false, and created by the deceiver:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millerism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment

I could give you so much more... but we all need to start with milk first, and then be ready to receive truth.

Truth Liberates said...

In 325 A.D. at the Council of Nicaea Roman Catholicism under the leadership of Constantine declared the trinity as a dogma. All other Christian churches from then on have adopted this.
Today, many bible believers, among them the writer of this blog, see that the Catholic church and the Pope at its head are not from God but rather full of idols and occultism and that the Jesuits want to establish a world government. Still, these same believers accept without question the teaching of the trinity, which has pagan roots and was brought into being by a non-believing Constantine. I myself did the same thing for a long time as it has been so ingrained into us that this is a sacred and mystical thing that makes for a true division between real and false believers (see your deletion of Kayafe's link for this reason) but once I have overcome my fear and looked at the bible with new eyes, it became obvious that I had been deceived.

Just a few examples:

John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

They talk about love here, not the trinity.
The Father loves his Son, the Son loves his Father, and the Father loves people, people love the Father and Son etc.
They are all in the Father's love.

John 14:28 ...I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
John 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, IS GREATER THAN ALL; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father’s hand.
John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one. (Here also they talk about love, they equal in love and character.)

That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him (Eph 1:17)

Ohh it says the "God of Christ"?!! That is interesting, right?

Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ (Eph 1:3)

Here again, "God and Father of Christ"?!

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Truth Liberates said...

...
And here is what Christ said:
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 5:44 How can all of you believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that comes from ONLY GOD?

Jonh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] MY GOD, and your God.

Here again, God of Christ!

So
"There is ONE GOD (not 2, not 3, only ONE), and ONE mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (The SON of GOD) (1Tim 2:5)

1Cor 8:6 But to us [there is but] ONE GOD, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

Isaiah 43:10 Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and

UNDERSTAND THAT I [AM] HE: BEFORE ME THERE WAS NO GOD FORMED, NEITHER SHALL THERE BE AFTER ME.

So Christ is equal with God in nature, love, will, spirituality.
Christ is the begotten Son of God and he is not eternal, and he is NOT above all, and through all, and in you all.

About Hebrews 1:8-9:
"Your throne, THE God, is for ever and ever"
so "the Son he says, your throne, THE God"

in hebrew and in greek, there is no "O" word.
an in hebrew there is no article at all btw.


About John 20:28:
Thomas was giving thanks to God and his Son, he said thank you "My LORD and my God", that's all.

There are endless verses that make clear that the Trinity is NOT in the Bible.
Endless verses telling that there is ONLY ONE GOD and not 2 or 3.

May the GOD OF CHRIST bless all of us!

Anonymous said...

Kayfabe was on news4themasses under a different name. I can't remember the name he used, but it was the same photo different name.

Faith

Kayfabe said...

Anon,

I did all the research myself. Our fellowship is called "Berean Bible Students Fellowship". I don't believe in the Trinity. Plain scripture as given above by "Truth" makes it clear. 1 John 5:7 is not authorized scripture, it was added by the Catholic Church which is the Mother of the Trinity doctrine. The Trinity is founded in paganism and platonic philosophy. Read my articles on the Godhead. I use scripture not Trinitarian philosophy or superstition.

Kayfabe said...

Also, remember that it was a pagan that was responsible for bringing the Trinity doctrine to the Church, that was Athanasius of the pagab Alexandrian schools in Egypt. He used Platonic greek philosophy to come up with the 3 literal beings as one substance homeostasis Trinity teaching.

Truth Liberates said...

Here is another interesting article about Matthew 28:19 falsification:

http://www.godglorified.com/eusebius.htm

http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/matthew-proof.html

Matthew 28:19 "Go disciple ye all nations in my name."


And about 1 Timothy 3:16, also very interesting:

http://www.bible-researcher.com/alexandrinus4.html

Anonymous said...

I am furious. At what point will the Christ denying cults be cut off? All their beliefs are all brand new, all in perfect alignment with every Millerite derivative, and every TV preacher and every single cult on this earth that calls itself Christian, yet is not.

Thanks Kayfabe for finally outing yourself, I will be researching your religion soon.

Truth Liberates - time to own up too, what religion and cult are you promoting here?

Funny how you never post here until you need to DENY JESUS CHRIST.

I can go to every new cult of the last 200 years and hear exactly the same as you are teaching here. The Millerites, the JWs, the Mormons, the SDAs, Christadelphians, Jim Jones, Joyce Meyers, Benny Hinn, Hillsong, every TV preacher, and the Catholics themselves these days.

Stop it. Either get with Christ, or not, there is no middle ground here.

You are in a cult, you are believing brand new doctrines, delivered directly from the devil.

I have tried to reconcile the Scriptures you have quoted, and I cannot, they are nonsense and prove NOTHING of what you are espousing others to believe.

ELOHIM / THEOS, is Father, Son and Spirit.

ELOHIM is a plural.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God (ELOHIM) created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God (YAHWEH ELOHIM) made the earth and the heavens, (SINGULAR)

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (JESUS CHRIST - YAHWEH ELOHIM)

Jesus and the Father are ONE, no man has seen the Father - not even in the First Testament, not even Adam.

You have failed to refute Hebrews 9:15-17
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

How can GOD who created the First Testament, then end the First Testament and usher in the Second Testament unless with the death of God? It's an impossibility. How can God our Father die? He cannot. How can God our creator, our Elohim die? In the manifestation on this earth of our creator Elohim, Jesus Christ.

I am so angry right now.

There is no New Testament lest Christ be God, Period. If a created creature can be sacrificed to ever cover the sins of man, then why do away with the First Testament at all? Why the promise of the Redeemer from the Garden of Eden all the way through to Malachi if created creatures could ever cover our sin?

Which is closest to being like God, a might Seraphim Angel or a goat? Neither. Nothing created is like God, Everything else is created by God. Kill a goat to cover my sin, kill an angel to cover my sin... an angel ushers in and ends Testaments between God and man... how dare you.

Anonymous said...

It's time for everyone to realise what's going on with these cults.

They all DENY Christ.

Sure, they say He was sent from God and that He is the Son of God, and that He died for us. But dig deeper, their Christ is a different Christ. Their Redeemer is an angel, a created creature, adopted by God. And in following that doctrine we are denying both the First and the Second Covenants, and we are denying so much of Scripture.

Then go into all their new age Westcott and Hort Bibles to see so much more deception.

All the new age cults do exactly the same thing.

Remove the deity of Christ, and you kill Christ completely.

The devil started all these cults, and the same Christ denying doctrines are in every single cult without exception.

This is the final war on Jesus Christ, from every angle imaginable. The devil has been doing this for 2,000 years.

Send in Romans to slaughter millions and the Testimony remains, send in armies and paid mercenaries and the Testimony remains, create a false church and the Testimony remains, spread the Plague to kill off the believers and the Testimony remains, start fake world wars and the Testimony remains, start evolutionism religion and the Testimony remains, deceive the believers to become idolators and fornicators and the Testimony remains, build cathedrals filled with hidden Baal symbols and Babylonian holidays and the Testimony remains, slaughter and ethnically cleanse 20 million Caucasian Russians and the Testimony remains.

Two thousand years. Everything the devil has done to destroy Christ, has FAILED.

Jesus Christ destroyed Babylonian worship, and only now is it finally re-emerging.

So just how is the devil now taking control, after 2,000 years? Denying Christ, Denying God, Perverting every believer into believing brand new doctrines that deny Christ, taking over every single church and congregation and believer with perverted beliefs. Building all these new cults and false churches, all denying Christ our God.

Far out... WAKE UP... it's right in front of you.

Leave your church, get out, burn their magazines, read the Bible. The TRUTH is in your hands - if you want it.

The Holey Trinity said...

The Trinity doctrine is not supported by correctly interpreted scripture anywhere in the Bible. Trinitarians often force their doctrine into the scripture and entrench their stance. It simply is not taught by Jesus or his disciples. It was taught by the Pagans and adopted by the early Christian church for monetary gain. It is simply no coincidence that all the "Christian" holidays, the symbol of the Cross, the doctrine of hell-fire and the Trinity doctrine are all pagan in origin. How people can simply ignore these facts and continue to accept this fallacious teaching as truth proves that Satan has put scale over their eyes.

Someone said they could write a book on the ways the Bible shows Christ's deity. I could write a follow up proving that book is pure fiction. Starting with the idea that we should be pulling our doctrine based on the meaning of names of people. How desperate must you be to look into the meaning of names to find your doctrine in the Bible.

I do not know whether this comment will get posted, and I'm sure I will attract much hate and disdain for my desire to show ones the truth about who God really is. Regardless, I invite the reasonable ones to examine my in-depth and factually based research at http://TheHoleyTrinity.blogspot.com. The only reference material I use is that of either unbiased Scholars or that of Trinitarian Scholars. If you are hate-filled, entrenched in your stance or searching for a confirmation bias - that website is not for you. It is only for those who are willing to admit that they may be wrong.