Thursday, September 17, 2015

Too Many Odd Beliefs!!

I'm not interested in being a Unitarian again!

Sometimes running a blog like this can be hard. I went quiet on the posts, I couldn't keep up! Some beliefs just plain well confused me. One commenter who wrote me that he is leaving this blog, I think he may have confused my silence of the last week for acceptance of these comments when really I was busy living everyday life and hadn't had time to respond in depth.

I believe he is the same commenter who wrote:

"saintinlight said...
By looking at all the "diverse" views and statements on "Christianity" from the commenters, the "Body of Christ" is in an absolute mess.
Hebrew Roots/Sacred Name, Lordship Salvationism,all kinds of "true names of God "Elohim" instead of Jesus Christ,the King James Bible is Not the Word of God, "Christians" like kayfabe, believing in the Non-Sense propagated on TV and in the world, believing controlled opposition like Kim Davis and Kent Hovind, saying God made mistakes with His Word given in English for the entire world,-the King James Bible AV 1611 (What Spirit of Antichrist NONSENSE!),SDA NONSENSE etc,Quoting the Luciferian "bibles" of Westcott and Hort, etc ,etc.
Only a few commenters are spot on in Truth.
Deceiving and being deceived, those in great error shall wax worse and worse...
The Adversary has done a masterful job!
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
The Truth is as simple as the simplicity found in Christ Jesus, the way the truth and the life.Being saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth and shall lead into ALL truth.
John 18:37
Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
God is separating the sheep from the goats...there will be many more goats than sheep.....

He was right about the odd beliefs. The churches are a mess. I have seen even weirder stuff then he has mentioned, the people denying the existence of demons, the supposed "Christians" who tell us there is no hell and everyone is saved. Those believing in reincarnation for Christians and various Hebrew Root influenced sects and Sacred Name websites--that have a multitude of ways they spell their names for Jesus. There's so many "J's and "Ys" and "H's" my eyes glaze over. I can't even remember half the spellings.

I don't do a quiz for anyone to comment here. It is anonymous and anyone can come and comment. While this is good for free conversation, it means the blog is open to anyone.

I have to admit I have been disturbed by the odd beliefs cropping up among the commenters. Sometimes I think I'm being astro-turfed by with the weirdest cult beliefs people can come up with. Other times I think, it's just the mess and false teachers out there. This reminds me of the female commenter and another--well they used a female name who admitted to me they did not believe demons were real. Then I had some Hebrews Roots people years ago who told me eating pork would take me to hell and other strange events. This seems to keep happening. Some even appear to be like-minded Christians and then I find out far later they have some really strange beliefs, they happened to not mention for months or years. It can get confusing. It can also be disappointing.

If you don't believe in the trinity, or don't believe demons are real or don't believe hell exists or have some other doctrine, you know I would be shocked and surprised at. Please don't interact with me for years while you keep a foundational dispute with traditional Christianity under your hat. Even there I don't know if this was something new for this particular person. I would have yelled, "Stop don't!". "You are going down Lew White highway or with some other teacher like him!"

I don't think anyone has everything 100% correct. It is impossible for fallible human beings. There are things where one is studying and being led into truth. It may take a new Christian to figure out what is wrong with the Pre-Mil Rapture. They may be fooled by Christian Zionism until they study and learned. However there are some basics I believe a Christian has to adhere to.

Among those are salvation via faith [not works or baptism or church and believing that Jesus Christ is God. [not a subordinate- or lesser "god" or a "Son" who does not hold the same "divinity" and is not "God" in the same way God the Father is]

 If I go with the anti-Trinitarians, I may as well go rejoin the Unitarian Universalist church.  Where do you think the word UNITARIAN comes from. It is ONE, as opposed to TRINITY. The UU church started as a theistic read "Christian" church that threw out the Trinity and taught that Jesus was a mere "son" of God and within 80 years most were humanists, secularists and New Agers, there is a reason for that. Remember one foundational belief and it all crumbles. A "jesus" who isn't God is just another Siddhartha. For newbies to this blog, I am an ex-Catholic as well as ex-Unitarian Universalist in the years before I was born again.

If Jesus Christ is not fully God, Christianity itself crumbles. I believe Jesus Christ is God, and God, the Father, Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ are one in three. With the weird beliefs out there, one has to get tossed out. They focus on their "favorite" and ignore others. The Oneness Pentecostals focus on "Jesus", while other sects focus on God, the Father. The Unitarians historically focused on God the Father, with Jesus as the "Son" of God. During their theistic phase in history they saw Jesus as "holy" or "specially appointed" and later on in history when I was in there, Jesus had been demoted to just a "moral teacher" with some nice things to say and paired up with other religious figures from other religions.

Those who deny the divinity of Jesus Christ or the full divinity of Christ, are in spiritual trouble. God knows who is born again or not, but since the Holy Spirit tells me Jesus is God, in most cases those who deny the divinity of Jesus Christ or want to demote Him, have to be listening to another spirit.  The Jehovah Witnesses, the Unitarians, and other odd branches that don't even make sense to me all seem to gather together in demoting Jesus Christ. Even among the Patriarchialists, some are going into subordinationism. I went kind of silent on the comments, because I am shocked at ones poster's beliefs. We seemed to share many beliefs over the years so I was a bit shock at the his disbelief in the Trinity. Is this something "new"?

 With the Trinity, if you let the Catholic church define things for you, sure you can get confused and think the Babylonians founded it. What part of Satan being a mimicker is not understood here? We have to look towards the Bible. There are many other verses that point to Jesus Christ as God, not just the disputed verse. This is one reason many of the Hebrew Root sects and people like Lew White [Fossilized Customs] get their grip on people, claiming paganism. People who have the good motive of seeking to be free of Babylon can be swept up with these false teachers. They have them believing using the name "Jesus" is pagan and other matters. One even wrote in his books, forget which one, that using the word "God" is pagan too. Now my head hurts!

If one verse gets wiped away how can you trust in any scripture or its preservation?

1 John 5:7King James Version (KJV)
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

This verse makes clear to me Jesus Christ is God.

There are many others.

`1 Peter 1:1  Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

John 1:1King James Version (KJV)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 10:30-33King James Version (KJV)
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Is the Trinity Pagan?

God made human beings in His image. Human beings have body, mind and soul. Why couldn't God be three in one--God The Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit?


Anonymous said...

Good article. Finally. The number of false teachers and false "believers" is huge compared to true teachers and true believers.

"Christianity" is a disaster. It always was.

But the Word of God (the KJV Bible) is still here, and still the absolute truth.

Every man will be held accountable for what he believed. Nothing more needs to be said, really.

Anonymous said...

Agree, there are core Christian values. The One True God and the Way of salvation is where the bottom line needs to be drawn. Other than those two, we need to trust God to lead others and ourselves to more truth in His time. (John 15:26 & 27) - Don

Anonymous said...

Go to the JW website and see what they do with just two of these texts mentioned. It's been a couple of years since I looked at JW and to go back again would sicken me, and they have come out with a new bible version since. So look for yourselves.

John 1:1. all cults are the same with their little gods. And what were the very first lies told to mankind?

Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

This is the very little gods doctrine taught by all cults today - it's the very same first LIE in the Garden of Eden.

What did Jesus say about this?

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

The father of lies, which is also the first murderer, because through this same lie, he brought death into the world through sin.

And it's till going on !! Wake up people !! It's the same first lie !!

The entire human history and the entire Bible exists because of this one first LIE.

All the cults go straight for the divinity of Jesus Christ to destroy Him and His sacrifice, saying an angel died for our sin. I want to tear my hair out. If an angel be a created creature then how can one created creature atone for the sin of other created creatures - US !! Jesus is everywhere in the First Testament. Lets not forget Hebrews 9:16-17 that the New Covenant could never have been brought in without the death of the testator. Who was the testator? God. Who died on this earth in order to cover sin as well as to end one covenant and usher in the new? Jesus Christ. And thats what every cult deceives its members with entirely.

Check out almost all new age bibles as well as the JWs on this one as well John 10:30.

See how they have manipulated and changed Scripture for their needs to deny Christ as our God.

Seriously, go to the JW website and use their online bible to see what they have done with John 1:1 and John 10:30 - to deny Christ.

Anonymous said...

God uses us to minister the word to all. Hidden agendas, hidden identities may not be revealed in the beginning. God can take His sword between spirit, soul, joint and marrow. We are to be vessels and a testimony of the Gospel. He will use His truth to convict, restore, rebuke, edify and redeem. Those who are truly His sheep will never leave His side for they know His voice. We cannot be alarmed when things become exposed to us. We are His instruments for His purpose in however He would lead us. The whole world is blind without salvation. They will follow religions, society, worldly values and false cults and ideologies. At times we are to wipe the dust off our feet and other times He wants us to continuing proclaiming the Gospel. Our eyes are on Jesus, not the voices surrounding our ears.

Christsfreeservnt said...

Yesterday the Lord was showing me many parallels between the beliefs of UU and that of the freemasons, which is also a religion. He was showing me that this was the foundation of the American government, i.e. our foundation was freemasonry and many of our founding fathers were freemasons, and that this is now being revived through Pope Francis, for one, and Obama, and many others professing to be in the Christian faith who have now been promoting this come one come all teaching for the church of today, the purpose of which is to bring the whole world into a one-world religion, which actually fits with the religion of freemasonry.

Otad12 said...

The Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research cult that I was in, they believe in a holy unity, & they tell you that you're blaspheming the Holy Spirit if you mention "Holy Trinity". They're a Sacred Name/Hebrew Roots cult.I've seen for myself, how even Christians are cleaving to the Sacred Name nonsense & encouraging "oneness". This is SO dangerous! All in the name of ecumenism.

Anonymous said...

it's nice to see that you believe in core christian values, do you believe in pre trib rapture? I don't ...

Anonymous said...

dear bible believer please google bryan kemila's illuminati matrix

Faith Contender said...

Matthew 7
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
5 “Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.
6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
10 “Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
21 “You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not commit murder’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell. 23 Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering.
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. 41 Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Word of God {Jesus}.

Anonymous said...

Anon 9/18 @ 3:06 I assume you are asking that question of me because of your wording. As a matter of fact, I do not believe in the Pre-trib Rapture and I will NOT call anyone a Non-Christian that does. That is a secondary issue and I will leave that between God and them. (Galatians 5:26) - Don

Scott Wasinski said...

The identification of "man" and "mankind" has been supplanted and replaced with "human" and "humankind." Only recently (the last few years) has this caused a discernment in me. I see more often than not the words "Human" and Humankind" being used more and more. Just a little checking into the origins scratches the surface of a lurking evil that should be addressed. These terms are derived from Humanism and anti-theists. It is the primary identification for a species of homosapiens that have evolved from pond scum. even more shocking, these "New" (sub)versions of the Word of God use the word "human" instead of man. I am a man; a part of all of mankind, as God has identified me.

Bible Believer said...

I agree the numbers of false believers and teachers is high, and yes things are a disaster, but we were warned in scripture.

I agree the Word of God is still there. How can someone demote Jesus reading the constant verses that speak to Him being God? It makes no sense. I became a Christian knowing Jesus was Lord.

Yes second anon there are core Christian values. Cults demote or deny Jesus's divinity.

and yes they often write their own bibles--they have to censor and cherry pick out verses because their cults would fall if their members read the true Word of God that has not been compromised.

Anon who wrote this:

"All the cults go straight for the divinity of Jesus Christ to destroy Him and His sacrifice, saying an angel died for our sin."

I agree they all go for it. The Unitarians definitely did and we see their wicked fruits today. JW, and more. All the false religions and cults are teamed together in the same plan to deny Jesus Christ.

You wrote a good point here..

"If an angel be a created creature then how can one created creature atone for the sin of other created creatures - US !!"

The New Agers and rest see Jesus as just another "avatar" or "prophet".

Bible Believer said...

I agree we cannot become alarmed when things are exposed to us.

If this is a sincere person, and not someone sent to try and uproot us, then I hope they rethink the false doctrine they have been taught, I hope they take a second look. Those confusing with the endless respelled names of Jesus are digging their own hole. They seem to care more about proper spellings then realizing Jesus Christ is God.

The UUs and Freemasons are totally connected.

In fact UUism teaches the basic tenets of Theosophy, unity in all things and the Freemasons teach all religions around the same altar. It is all intertwined. The values and philosophies of Alice Bailey match those of the Freemasons. The UUs say Deeds not creeds and the Freemasons pride themselves on community activism and good works. Yes the foundation is freemasonry so guess what kind of lies those like David Barton and the right wing, "America is a Christian" nation set are trying to push?

There is a giant overlap even between overt New Age/Metaphhysical cults and these new sacred name movements. Remember the "I am" people? It's getting insane out there.

No I do not believe in pre-trib rapture.
Like Don, I do not see it as a salvation issue [Jesus Christ's divinity is]but one where often a new Christian needs time and prayer on.

Interesting dichotomy between humankind and mankind, I've noticed that too but was not sure what it meant.

Anonymous said...

The word human started bothering me also when I started learning the truth. The bible says mankind. And it would irritate me to hear ' human beings' It sounds so New Age. I also started teaching my children the category of animals as God's Word describes them... Beast.. Fowl... Creeping thing...Cattle...and.... Fish. I don't like the whole mammal thing. They try to lump us up into that category. I think not!! We are created in the image of God, a little lower than the angels. We are NOT animals because we have hair and feed our young with milk. Satan perverts everything!!

Just as the debate of the Holy Trinity. Trinity is not in the bible, but is used because of the fact that the three are one. Just because other false religions have a form of trinity does not mean The Holy Trinity is a deception. All of those religions also have an account of creation. Does that make the Creation described in Gen 1-2:7 false ? I think not!! The other religions have an account of a great flood. Does that mean we need to throw out the scriptures referencing the flood?
Satan wants to be like God, therefore he will counterfeit the miracles and works of God.

Jesus Christ is God!
Rev. 22:13- I am Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

If you do not believe that Jesus Christ is Lord of Lords and King of Kings, the Word made Flesh, The Alpha and Omega, The Author and Finisher of our faith, the First and the Last, The Bright and Morning Star, The Creator, God who came in the flesh to take away the sins of the world. Then you are not a Christian!!!
Just like those who discredit the Bible and attack it , saying it is not the final authority.

John 1-5- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in the darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

When someone attacks the Word, they are attacking Jesus!! Because He is the Word!!

You are right Bible Believer, to believe in pretrib is deceiving, but not a salvation issue.
But to outright deny Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour as God is denying Christianty.
The hour is short, and Satan know he has but a short time left, the deceptions are many.
We all need to be fasting and praying.


Anonymous said...

thank you for that link, I know john Nelson Darby started the pre trib thing and if you look at the Liberty to the Captives website they have posted a lot about him
John Nelson Darby: Closet Theosophist?


Kayfabe said...

I believe Jehovah and Jehoshua are fully God and the Holy Spirit is the unseen presence and person of the Father and Son. Binitarianism is the teaching of a two person Godhead. I try not to go beyond scripture and the Bible never teaches that the Holy Spirit is a distinct God being. I can certainly see the argument for it but I can also see the Binitarian argument being true. Binitarianism was actually the early Church belief until Trinitarianism became predominant and made an official creed in the late 4th Century. I have no problem with people using the name Jesus Christ as I still use it but I love the richness of his Hebrew name which bears the name of the Father Jah or Yah and shua means salvation so Jesus Hebrew name means "Salvation of Jehovah" or "Salvation of Yahweh". The accusations of me being in some sacred name movement is sad since I am not in one of those movements. My use of the Father's proper name and Jesus Hebrew name is just a personal preference. Certainly I can't be wrong for using the Father's name and the Son's Hebrew name, does that make me false because I like to use those names?

Kayfabe said...

Binitarianism – belief that God is a 'binitarian' being – is effectively identical to trinitarianism, with one exception: the holy spirit is not considered to be a distinct'person'apart from the Father and the Son.

So where the bible speaks of the Father and/or the Son, binitarians typically agree with trinitarians on how to interpret those texts. Disagreement comes down to how to interpret parts of the bible where the holy spirit is mentioned.

I don't think it is necessary here to review every possible verse of relevance, but I will instead mention a few key texts that shape the binitarian approach to the bible:

Focus is placed on a verse such as 1 Corinthians 8.6, where Paul describes Christian faith being centered around 'one God, the Father' and 'one Lord, Jesus Christ', with no mention of the holy spirit.

First John 1.3 says 'our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ' (ESV). Again, binitarians note the lack of reference to the holy spirit as a 'person' we share fellowship with.

Revelation 3.21, 5.6, 7.17, and 22.1,3 portray Jesus (the Lamb) and God sharing a single throne, but no portrayal is made of the holy spirit also sharing this throne.

Drawing from both the ideas represented in both 2 and 3 above, further emphasis is placed on other texts that focus on God and Jesus, with no reference to the holy spirit when we would otherwise 'expect' to find such a reference (e.g. Romans 10.9, 1 Corinthians 15.20-28, Hebrews 1.1-4).

Most of the epistles begin with the author identifying himself, identifying his intended readership, and greeting where blessings are invoked. All of the greetings invoke blessing from God the Father, or from God and Jesus. E.g., Paul often greets his readers with, 'Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ'. Binitarians take the lack of mention of the holy spirit as an indication that the spirit is not a distinct 'person' the way we understand God and Jesus to be.

Additional points made are that, within the new testament, we find examples of prayer, worship, and praise directed toward God and Jesus, but no prayer, worship, or praise directed toward the holy spirit.

Binitarianism ultimately sees theology, soteriology, eschatology, etc., of the new testament taking shape around two distinct persons, God and Jesus. The holy spirit is understood as the singular spirit of God and Jesus (e.g. Romans 8.9) but not a distinct person, analogous to how a human's spirit is not a distinct person.

However, depending on some contexts, the term 'holy spirit' is not understood by binitarians to have a systematic definition. In some contexts the term is understood as referring to God's spirit (e.g. the parallelism between Matthew 10.20 and Luke 12.12), but in other contexts it may be understood as something more general (e.g. Psalm 51.11 as a poetic parallel to God's 'presence', or Luke 1.35 as a parallel to 'the power of the Most High').

Michael Sean said...

I find Unitarians sneeky. I was recently handed a flyer for a Bible exhibition just around the corner from where I work. So one lunch time I headed over to check it out. It was basic stuff about where the Bible came from and a potted history of the translations, with a few old Bibles on exhibition. After a while a middle aged gentleman strolled over to me and engaged me in conversation, asking what I thought of the exhibition and what Chruch I attended if any. I told him that I didn't attend Church, had been a Christian three years, and was non denomination. I admitted to him that sometimes I struggle with what I am supposed to do as a Christain, and was sometimes troubled by the wide range of conflicting arguments and interpretations that Christians often engage in with each other. He immediately invited a young woman over to join us and both started telling me about their church, that they were Christadelphians, and they loved God and the Bible. They asked me to join them at some Bible classes they were running. Now I am the only actual Christian I know in my circle of friends and family, and sometimes I starve for conversation and sharing my faith. So I'm always willing to listen. They gave me some pamphlets, and a time table of classes, and told me they looked forward to seeing me soon. Something struck me though a little later; there was very little talk of Jesus. I decided to look these Christadelphians up, and low and behold they are Unitarian. Non of this was advertised or talked about at the exhibition. They never asked me about my faith other than questions that were tryng to ascertain whether I attended a church, and malleable to their beliefs or not. I get the feeling they were hoping people like me would show up at a Bible class and they could work their nonsense on me rather than being upfront about their beliefs straight away.

Michael Sean said...

Ironically I think New Athiest apologist the late Christopher Hitchens put it best when interviewed by Unitarian Marylin Sewell

Sewell: The religion you cite in your book is generally the fundamentalist faith of various kinds. I’m a liberal Christian, and I don’t take the stories from the scripture literally. I don’t believe in the doctrine of atonement (that Jesus died for our sins, for example). Do you make a distinction between fundamentalist faith and liberal religion?

Hitchens: I would say that if you don’t believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the Christ and Messiah, and that he rose again from the dead and by his sacrifice our sins are forgiven, you’re really not in any meaningful sense a Christian.

Anonymous said...

Michael Sean, you nailed it - they were not up front and therefore they were not honest. Also, the quote from Christopher Hitchens IS the truth. Your story with the Christadelphians reminds my of 2 Corinthians 11:3 & 4. Good for you! - Don

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why you are still linking to Kayfabe's blog. His post's on hell sound a lot like jw's beliefs to me..Plus all his other confusion. He also seemed to want to be all "let's just get along" with everyone in his latest comments, yet his blog is linked as "united we fall, divided we stand.".It's very fishy, and it is not making you seem very trustworthy either..
Just speaking it like I see it.

Michael Sean said...

Thanks Don.

Anonymous said...

Christadelphians are another offshoot of the Millerites.

I could be wrong here, I'm going from my own ancient memories of very brief studies... but from that foggy memory I think the original Millerite offshoot group of International Bible Students then split and evolved into many different entities again. Christadelphians one, JWs another and the most popular, there are many other offshoots too.

The two most dominant groups to emerge from the Millerite end of the world prophesy failure were the International Bible Students and the Seventh Day Adventists, then many other groups came from these. Funny, JWs are taught to hate Christadelphians, who are their brothers (hiding the fact?), yet they never learn anything about SDAs or Mormons history in their magazines.

Charles Taze Russel (so-called JW founder), and Ellen White (so-called SDA prophetess) are both masons and no doubt their religions as well as Mormons were all created by masons, check out their masonic Babylonian graves, and especially see where Russell is buried - in freemasonic temple grounds. Mormon temples are masonic Babylonian temples.

Google Images: "Charles Taze Russell Burial Site" and "ellen g white burial site"

Right, all these groups are sneaky. the JWs coming to your door will invite you for a "Bible Study" - which would be cause for concern in itself in regard to what they use as a Bible, but you will quickly find that you actually do no Bible studying at all - they teach you from their own books and magazines. JWs also believe that their leaders are the prophets of God on this earth, so just like the Papists, they also believe the word of their leaders is superior to the Word of God.

Bible Believer said...

I wanted to give Kayfabe a chance to explain himself. I have done so. I have removed the blog link. We are NOT in agreement. This is not something I am happy about having to do, but this is a core Christian biblical doctrine here.

Anonymous said...

BB - I really believe you hold to the faith. You have renewed my faith that there are some sincere Christians out there who care about doctrine and truth..
I am sorry for Kayfabe, but he did seem like a wolf in sheeps clothing..
I hope he comes to a knowledge of the truth.
I am sorry you were decieved by him. I had a sense something was not right from the beginning.. But I'm not sure I could even articulate it.
When I first read his blog it seemed O.K., but very soon seemed to go off track. I'm glad you removed the link. It would be like linking to things you don't believe, or know to not be the truth..
May God bless you and give you peace and understanding.

Anonymous said...

The most famous scripture proving the "trinity" is 1 John 5:7. Anyone who denies the deity of Jesus will split hell wide open. I've been reading up a little on modern Hebrew. I've read it was created in the late 1800s by a man named eliezer Ben yehuda, it's a mix of Hebrew and Yiddish. Ive heard a lot of people call Jesus "yeshua" this is the modern Hebrew translation. Since modern Hebrew isn't the same as ancient Hebrew, how can they say for sure "yeshua" was the correct spelling in ancient Hebrew. The way I see it is that it's all these "sacred name" people would believe anything anyone would tell them as long as they are wearing a yarmulke. It seems like there's a lot of deception on this issue. James

Anonymous said...

I would like to share this with you. Jesus Christ IS deity; otherwise, how would we be saved? Col. 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. However, I do not believe in the Trinity. I believe God changes His form (en morphe). Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD. Deut. 6:4. When I get to heaven, I will worship my Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ. There will not be three gods in heaven. I am not coming here to argue. I just wanted to post this for your consideration. God bless you. Chris W.

Anonymous said...

Also, I will not be returning here to debate this issue. I just wanted to let you know this information. Thank you, again. Chris W.

Anonymous said...

Wow, I did not know Ellen White, false prophetess of the Seventh Day Adventists was a mason. It is believable. The 'conservative' church folks are really caught up with Ben Carson as their political candidate for he seems not as foolish as Donald Trump. Then I discovered via another discernment website that Mr. Carson is a Seventh Day Adventist. So while these so called, self labeled conservatives say and believe that our country should not have a muslim in the office of U.S. President, the blind and undiscerning would rather vote in men and women who hold to pagan beliefs; one world order folks, cults-seventh day Adventist, catholics, Mormons, Jehovah witnesses, etc.

The hypocrisy is deafening in the church camp.

Bible Believer said...

So Ben Carson is a Seventh Day Adventist?

Hmm guess so.

It's a false religion and teaches salvation via church and works.

Well we just found out via the Pope there wasn't one actual Christian in all of Congress. Would you or I sit there listening to those NWO blatherings by an antichrist? No way~!

Bible Believer said...

Chris W I am confused. You say Jesus is Deity. People who believe in the Trinity do not believe in three Gods, they believe in three in one.

Bible Believer said...

I think the Hebrews Roots stuff is invested in what the bible would call "jewish fables". They can't decide on the right spelling or letters of Jesus's name themselves. I am seeing new variations every other minute.

Bible Believer said...

I agree a lot of these cults are sneaky. Some will tell you we are fellow Christians but then they will leave these big "details" out like denying the Trinity or not believe demons exist. The out and out Unitarian Universalists will let it be known they are pagans and unbelievers but the theistic variations who believe themselves to be "Christians" are very tricky to deal with.

bev said...

I just stumbled on this blog.
I want to say that the verse : 1 John 5 v 7 : There are three that bear witness in heaven and these 3 are one is omitted in a lot of versions of the bible , no wonder people are confused .. It is a great verse.

Also in the other versions : when the 3 are in the furnace, Daniel 2 verse 25 it says in my bible : He said (Nebuchadnezzar) Lo, I see four men loose walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like "the Son of God".. " the" is specific .
Other versions say: the fourth is like "a" son of gods. Like there are many gods and there are in this world.
In my bible it is capitalized: "the" Son of God I think people should look at the versions they are reading and compare what they are going to believe.
I believe many newer ones (bibles)are going to confuse even more because that is the fist sin in the garden .. Hath God said ?.. I would love to get a very old bible myself.
There are many places on the internet that you could look up comparisons. Just remember, God is a God of grace , we are responsible to be a Berean . I am grateful for that, but there are many more changes in the bible. Beware !

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Anonymous said...

I do not want to debate, but I'm replying to your reply to my post above. The doxology song proclaims, "God in THREE PERSONS, blessed Trinity". Also, I attended a Christian high school and was told when we get to heaven, Jesus was going to "be here", the Holy Spirit "over here", and God the Father "over here", three distinct different places. Chris W.