Saturday, August 22, 2015

Josh Duggar: The Cheater

Josh Duggar is exposed as an adulterer. This seems scripted to me. Perhaps all of these things were planned a long time ago? 

Think about it, how the timing of the Ashley Madison hacking corresponds. Is he guilty? He admits to the evils. This family is being used as anti-Christian serum for the country as a whole and they are doing their job well. Expect more hidden evils to be found among them.

How did he have time for Ashley Madison cheating with 4 young children, his job and TV series? This leads all the way back to Jim Bob.

The evils of the Dominonists are endless. One thing you cannot make a person who is your child become a Christian. Josh Duggar is not a Christian. He thinks he is or he could be in on the knowing deception game, but it's obvious as he writes all these apologies including Jesus in the mix, it's empty. It's false faith. It's show time. It's the Truman Show-Christian style. While I have had my theories about mind control and the Duggars, one sees this emptiness in all of them. It's going through the motions Christian style. It's not real. It's young people as "white-washed tombs" taught at the foot of two extraordinary Pharisees who still control adults in their mid-20s like they are ten years old, and allow them to do it.

 The surest way to destroy a young person is to be a control freak parent like Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar, where a child's conscience is destroyed under extreme repression and millions of rules that must be obeyed or else. What you get there, is a child who learns the way to play the game is to "look good" and do what you want behind the scenes and not to get caught. They are on the road to being seared and becoming a sociopath devoid of conscience in adulthood. You get someone like Josh Duggar. They do not grow up.  They don't have true attachment to other people and treat them like objects. He sexually abused his own sisters. Their moral conscience is darkened. They care more about the "appearance" of holiness then actual holiness. He has joined the long line of phony TV evangelists who are exposed as cheaters and adulterers who in many cases may have been following a "script" too. The powers that be put the endless list of fallen "Christians" to use. His outing as an extreme hypocrite is affecting the public's view of Christianity. This is on purpose.   Pray for Anna Duggar.


Bible Believer said...

I don't know where that picture was taken but that G and sun logo on the speaker's podium is strange.

Anonymous said...

Your blog was right all along about the Duggars. I loved their show, but I was "ignorant" to the deception. I thought they were a good wholesome Christian family.

Thank you for warning.

Anonymous said...

I say rather pray for the children who are innocent victims of this charade.

Jared the cleancut family man, Subway spokesman for many years, who founded an organization for obese children who turns out to be a pervert = he never claimed to be a Christian as far as I know, but it is all about the image, a facade to disarm us.

Then the parade of authority figures, teachers, mentors, instructors who are exposed for molesting children. Our children are not safe.

Who can be sure Josh Duggar did not molest his own children or others?

Surely these are the last of the last days when evil is unleashed in all its fury before our Lord unleashes His wrath upon mankind.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks Anon. I appreciate it. I think many people took them at face value, but it is better we know.

Yes I agree with praying for the children who are innocent victims. I am concerned for all the Duggar children and fear that more are the victims of sexual abuse beyond the sisters where it has already been exposed. We saw emotional and other abuse right on our TV screens and then there is the support of the Pearls and their methods. I fear too for Josh Duggar's children as well. Think about this, they all admitted the Duggar family locked their doors against him and now he is supposedly okay to be around young children? Maybe he has saved his energies for the porn and cheating with women world now, but who knows for sure?

Yes Jared was presented as a placid and "nice man". I don't think he claims to be a Christian either. At first they said it was an employees computer but I do not know the whole story, it is sickening where I read he had 14 counts. Maybe he was invited to some of the same parties as Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew.

Expect more names to come off the Ashley Madison list too.

I really fear for children in this world and it is growing more evil out there and more dangerous where many are not safe in their own homes or with the teachers and authority figures.

Anonymous said...

If we are the Body of Christ, truly, all of us should be crying at the foot of the cross, praying for all of the souls involved, including Josh. I am not a fan of the Duggar show and have not seen one episode, however, I do believe in prayer for even the worst of sinners. Jesus would have us pray for all.

It reminds me of a church where we pray for only certain people that we believe are worthy of prayer. We, in our self righteous platitudes, pray for only those who are 'something' in our lives, those with whom we care about or are impressed with.....we play the role of god in our own lives and in the lives of others, deciding who shall be worthy of our self righteous public prayers.......yes, we play god and we deny the power of the Holy Spirit. We sit in our comfortable churches mocking, laughing, and looking down on those who are the worst of sinners in our own eyes, and we hate in our hearts and believe people like Josh deserve to be sent to hell, so we, the Bride of Christ, do not pray for these unworthy people.

And yet, Jesus pardoned one thief who believed on His Savior in the last moments of his earthly life, and the other thief who mocked our LORD, spewing out hatred in the last moments of his life; where did that thief end up? In hell, perhaps?

If we cannot humble ourselves and pray for Josh, in addition to his beautiful wife and children, and extended family....are we no better than John MacArthur mocking a false prophet from his elevated, Nicolaitan pulpit system, and laughing about it with the rest of his sheep who are sharpening their teeth and sharp swords?

Josh, too, has a soul, and let us humbly submit prayers and petitions allowing Jesus as our mediator, to heal this family. If we were in this family's shoes, would we not be broken and desire prayer from the true, not masked/false, Body of Christ?

Bible Believer said...

Yes pray for Josh too. I fear he is seared but truly only God knows. I have prayed he is born again and finds real faith outside of the false religion his parents have given him. There is no goodness in what has happened to Josh. I wrote this and I beleive Josh was abused and probably sexually abused as well. I pray he can break free of the cult. Getting real and honest and seeking God for real instead of saying the words he believe are "right" is his main hope. You are right he has a soul too and I am horrified at what has become of him. I hope he is not serving as some "fall guy" knowingly either. [my reference to "the script]

Bible Believer said...

I know you find me harsh on Josh Duggar and even I worried I was being too harsh, but there really are people in this world who are sociopaths, or biblically we would say seared.

I have to admit when someone is sexually abusing even their own sisters in their teen years, they are showing signs of searing and a darkened conscience. But you are right we should pray if there is any spark of conscience left and Josh Dugger has not become a full reprobate, then we will desire he finds God and truly repents even for the sake of his children and wife. One thing the NWO will use personalities to serve certain roles too, and Josh Dugger has now become such a hated icon, with the internet full of cruel memes putting down his weight and calling him a MONSTER, it seems scripted to me. Josh Duggar has been lying for a long time, and if there is to be any change or saving of his soul, there needs to be honesty.

Anonymous said...

I still think all the Josh Duggar episodes are false. Designed only to bring shame on real Christians. A setup from the start by the enemies of Christ, to first raise up a family as being wholesome and Christian, and then to tear them down as being deviants and criminals. All of it done to bring reproach on Christians and Christ, thus further ostracising mainstream society away from salvation in Jesus Christ, and to further bring hatred and ridicule upon us all.

I know almost all the rich, famous, celebrities and politicians all participate in gruesome acts as they "sell their souls" for whatever it is they so desire in this short life on earth, whether it be drugs, adultery, hiring prostitutes, sodomy, grand theft... the list is endless. And once they participate in these things - their masters then have full control over them forever. And if they ever step out of line in promoting the agenda or do anything to harm the agenda - they are then exposed and destroyed.

I just don't see this happening here.

Nor do I believe he was "caught" in anything. If a shill is caught doing anything wrong - it is covered up and never sees the light of day, and if it does - then it is then found by the MSM to be a hoax and is swept under the rug and completely forgotten. Those who are taken down by the MSM, have either broken the rules and are being punished (Bill Cosby/Rolf Harris), or they are those who are playing a part.

I know other high profile people do participate to "take the fall" for some shameful act, which also promotes the agenda. And that's what I think is happening in this case. A deliberate fall guy, willingly taking the fall to bring about the goal of shaming and bringing reproach on Christians and the name of Christ. The war is always on Jesus Christ, and by every means necessary their aim is to destroy Jesus Christ from the face of the earth and from the memory of all mankind. Obviously they will fail.

Bible Believer said...

I think the sex abuse stuff is real, especially with all those connections to those arrested for child pornography like the cop that Josh was taken to by Jim Bob. We know how the sex abuse is connected to the elite, and their selling of children. Josh however is most likely not the only sex abuser in that house. I believe in the high elite circles it is likely they do "sacrifice" their children. I did an article here, how celebrities basically admit they sell their souls to the devil.

Remember Rick Warren and a discussion there related to him, where a commenter talked about how it is the oldest son and sometimes the oldest daughter given over as a "sacrifice". I think this stuff is scripted too. We don't know exactly what acts were done, all of them could have been but much could be scripted too and I agree it sets up "Christians" in the world's eyes as a bunch of sexual degenerates and hypocrites. I think they do punish those who break the rules but they also set up some for a major fall from the start, and the Duggars definitely are on that list. That is what they were to be used for. They can brainwash the cultural "Christians" to make excuses and accept the most hideous of sins too at the same time using celebrity to slowly boil the frogs and kill two birds with one stone in their agendas.

Ever notice the wives of all the famous do the "stand by your man" thing no matter what perverted or cheating acts are exposed? Hillary Clinton etc. They have no integrity and enable evil. They are "owned" too.

cdf said...

Surely these are the last of the last days when evil is unleashed in all its fury before our Lord unleashes His wrath upon mankind.

I really love the way you put that. I've never heard it put like that before. I think you're right.

cdf said...

I'm sorry, dear Bible Believer. If some of it is false, all of it is false. The only question to ask is 'why'.

cdf said...

infinite mercy v wrath unmingled with mercy

I'm only wondering where's the cutoff line.

Anonymous said...

Look at the forced fake smile on Anna's face, and the pain in her eyes. I will be praying for the whole family.

Anonymous said...

You can't be a hypocrite Christian if you are a Luciferian trying to portray a hypocrite Christian. There were horn signs flashing in the show and for the media.

Anonymous said...

When the sisters were being interviewed on a TV network about her molestation, the one who does the devil's horn hand with her husband was smiling during the interview. It's all a hoax. I don't think they are all Duggars either. One of the little kids in the beginning of the music intro flashed the camera with his devil's horn sign too. When one of their family friends was getting married, the younger sister flashed the horn sign at her sister and new husband while they were driving away. She was crying because her sister got married and was her best friend too. America has been duped.

Bible Believer said...

Anna has not looked well and has looked unhappy even before all this broke.

If some are knowing deceivers and in on the "game", there will be those around them who are not.

I agree about Luciferians playing hypocrite Christians, they displayed horn signs and others too in my opinion.

I found the whole sex abuse thing weird seemed like it was a hoax when they all claimed they slept through it and supposedly only knew from being told. How does that make any sense. Do you think some of the children were born from incest? Yes it makes you wonder if Michelle really did have all 19. Jessa yes seemed to love flashing the horn sign all over the place.

Anonymous said...

Dear Bible Believer,

If you do not think Anna Duggar should remain married to Josh, then you definitely need to come up with a new online handle, because you are certainly not a "Bible Believer." "Have ye not read?" what scriptures teach on marriage and divorce? Do you also think it would be permissible for her to remarry whilst Josh is still alive?

I am utterly flabbergasted by your most recent comment. Of course Michelle conceived and bore each of the "19". Even if she did not, what profit is there in conjuring up such a deplorable speculation?! To insinuate that some of the children may have been fathered by Josh and actually belong to his sisters is outrageous and preposterous! You seem to have a lot of pride and relish watching this family fall from grace. Please humble yourself before God and His word, in addition to your readers. Check out Proverbs 24:17 and repent from all of your "evil surmising", and from being a "false accuser." I say this is love.

As a victim of sexual abuse, I can assure you it's entirely possible to sleep through a light patting. I have experienced this as a teen with a 14 year old brother 2 years my senior. I didn't catch on to what was happening until it continued on for several days and he got more adventurous. I'll never forget the violation and terror I felt as I was awaking to his hands slipping under my clothing. Finally all of the pieces of the puzzle came together and I realized it wasn't the first time. He had been working up the courage to go further and further, thinking he would get away with it.

A few friends of mine experienced nearly identical situations in their adolescence. None of these situations (including my own) occurred in "Christian" homes where we were sheltered from the world. They were your average worldly families. Sexual abuse and experimentation among siblings takes place far more often than people realize. Victims are far too ashamed to discuss it openly, as are the perpetrators themselves who are often riddled with guilt and live with disgust over their abominable actions which can never be undone. In my situation, I related to the Duggar girls who felt they could forgive the molester and move on with their lives. And when you act like this is all some big, ridiculous joke or script, it undermines what thousands upon thousands of victims of sexual abuse have experienced.

There are many legitimate points of contention you could graciously address, but I fear you have a strong tendency to "strain at a gnat." Deception is rampant and I understand your desire to warn, please just search your heart and examine the profitability of the statements you make prior to making them, so that when judgement day comes you aren't guilty of the same hypocrisies you accuse others of.

Bible Believer said...

Maybe you should recheck the Bible...

Cheating is a biblical foundation for divorce.

Someone may be led by God to forgive and work things out but scripture makes it clear that cheating frees the other spouse to divorce. They are not under bondage.

Matt 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.


If Josh is seared, that's a whole other ball of wax too. He will feign repentance like he did.

I find it frankly sickening how Anna is being told that she must stay and place blame upon herself instead of making a stand. Even the pastor at their church gave this disgusting sermon saying women should blame themselves if men stray or at least insuinated it. So a man goes out and cheats on his wife following the story we have been given, and risks even giving her AIDs, and you are chastising me for even the mere suggestion that divorce may be the outcome here? Some Christians need to wake up about evil in this world. This whole idea that EVERYONE is interested in true repentance, is absurd. Would you tell someone to remain in the same house with a man that beats his wife bloody every month? Well Josh has at the very least according to the official story has exposed his wife to STDs putting her in physical danger too. One thing I am not one of the patriarchialists who think women are nobodies that must submit to wicked men who care nothing about them.

You may as well get that clear now. That has nothing to do with Christianity.

As for the sleeping and Josh issue, I am sorry you were sexually abused but even if they slept through some of it, during the interviews on Fox news, they made it seem like all the victims were asleep when they were NOT. One was sitting on top of a dryer and one on top of his lap.

I don't believe in false forgiveness for sociopaths who have not repented. This may be where you and me definitely part ways. I don't know where Josh stands in terms of this story being a hoax or if he is seared or not, but to forgive someone who abuses over and over again and says "Sorry my bad" and throws in a few Christian words to look legit, is just setting yourself up to be abused again. The discussion if it is a script is a THEORY. Also if 5 girls got sexually abused in a house, do you think out and out incest is a impossibility? Why?

I have one controversial opinion about sex abusers, this may horrify some, but I will go ahead and write it. Abusing children sexually is a giant sign of being SEARED. It means a given over conscience. You don't "forgive" sex abusers who never really have repented. You get away from them and then you make sure you protect any children you can from them. Younger ones, there may be more chance of them NOT being seared but replicating their own abuses, but Josh Duggar is a 27 year old man and we see the signs of his either ABSENT conscience or LIMITED conscience for ourselves if this is not wholly a script.

The Christian world is far too naïve about evil.

I don't think the commenter who I was responding to, meant that the children could have only been fathered by Josh, there are other possibilities.

Anonymous said...

Dear Bible Believer,

I am afraid you are sadly misinterpreting the scriptures. I humbly ask for you to prayerfully reconsider your position on this matter.

In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus was shedding light on the Old Testament laws. He was revealing how the depth of the law, remarkably transcended that of mere outward obedience. Prior to this revelation, most of His people prided themselves in having kept God's laws. But Jesus's teaching revealed an even higher standard, which would require a genuine transformation on the inside, that would manifest through outward fruit.

Pertaining to the verses in Matthew 5, read them very carefully, I am going to capitalize for emphasis.

31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT WHOSOEVER SHALL PUT AWAY HIS WIFE, saving for the cause of fornication, CAUSETH HER TO COMMIT ADULTERY: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

If you momentarily remove the so-called "exception clause" it plainly says that any man who divorces his wife CAUSES her to commit adultery.

Jesus is clearly condemning divorce. Moses may have permitted it due to the hardness of their hearts, "But I say unto you" is Jesus's response.

Going back to the so-called "exception", Jesus is merely saying that a man would not be held responsible for CAUSING her to commit adultery IF she was ALREADY an adulteress to begin with. So, as it plainly states, the only "exception" is that the man would not be held responsible for her adultery if she was already guilty of this sin, but it is in no way permitting or encouraging divorce. On the contrary, it highlights the serious consequences of this sin.

There are other interpretations of this verse, such as the Jewish betrothal argument. Whatever position you take is fine, so long as it does not contradict the entirety of God's word.

The definition of marriage is not limited to one male and one female. It is one man and one woman FOR LIFE.

Matthew 19:
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Let's not forget, God HATES divorce.

Malachi 2:
13 And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the Lord with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand.
14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the Lord hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.
15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
16 For the Lord, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the Lord of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.

Anonymous said...

Back to Matthew 19, where we once again see this so-called "exception clause".

Matthew 19:
7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

"From the beginning IT WAS NOT SO."

Going back to the Betrothal view, many Bible believers think the word "fornication" is key because their perspective is that the use of this word strongly suggests something other than lawful marital infidelity. They think "fornication" is given as a reference to pre-marital infidelity during a Jewish betrothal period.

Anonymous said...

Many advocates of the “betrothal view” point to the example of the courtship between Joseph and Mary (Matthew 1:18-25). They say that in the Jewish custom, the couple was considered “man and wife,” even though they have not yet come to live together. In this Jewish custom, if physical immorality was to occur during this time period, the man could divorce his “wife” and marry another, based on the fact that they were not actually married yet. With this in mind, it is said that the “exception clause” was given to allow for remarriage only if the “fornication” occurred during this betrothal period. Furthermore, they would say that the Matthew account was the only one mentioning this exception, simply because his Gospel was the only one written originally to a primarily Jewish audience.
(I copied this from I don't know anything about this "ministry" and am in no way trying to promote their site, it was just easier to give you their succinct explanation of this viewpoint, with minor edits.)

Mark 10:2-12
2 And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him.
3 And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?
4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
10 And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.
11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Notice there is NO EXCEPTION in the above passage.

Anonymous said...

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

Again, NO EXCEPTION given above.

Romans 7:
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

1 Corinthians 6:
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

I will say, that I do agree with you that no blame whatsoever should be assigned to Anna. I heard the sermon given by their pastor, and I was vexed and revolted that he would even dare suggest it was her fault. It grieved my spirit. That is public shame and abuse. I wish I could just wrap my arms around her and hug her and let her know I am praying for her. Nevertheless, even if Josh were to give her AIDS, as horrible as that would be, it would still not be grounds for divorce. Josh will face the judgement of God for his evil crimes.

I am aware of the evil in this world, but more importantly, I am even more aware of the evil I am capable of apart from God's grace. You have no idea who I am or what all I have been through. I am not suggesting for one second that Josh will ever sincerely repent. I agree with you, that he is likely seared, though I pray for his soul, and I KNOW God is greater than sin and He is 100% able to restore Josh to Himself and full repentance. If He saved me, He can save anyone.

For a husband who beat his wife and/or children "bloody", I would advise her to call the authorities. God has placed us in a land that is governed by laws which protect victims of abuse, and rightly so. No provision for divorce is given under such circumstances, and I stand alone on the word of God. Any wife who loved her husband, could separate and fast and pray for his soul.

1 Corinthians 7:
16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

1 Peter 3:
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

I am not a "patriarchalist" either, nor do I think women are "nobodies", but the Bible is clear. Are you arguing with the scriptures?

Anonymous said...

Does it really have NOTHING to do with Christianity?
Because Paul tells us in Ephesians 5 that marriage is a symbolic picture of the gospel:
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

Marriage is for LIFE. And both husband and wife have roles to obey, regardless of whether their spouse fulfills their own role. A wife must submit to her husband, even if he is a wicked man. As long as her submission doesn't require her to sin. A husband must love his wife, even if she is wicked and undeserving of his love and care. Remember Hosea?

Anonymous said...

The family was dishonest in the Fox News interview, because not all of the girls were sleeping when it happened. But the two who spoke and gave their account, were sleeping. And those are the ones you and others on this site have doubted.

I close with 1 Corinthians 13:
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.


Matthew 18:
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Bible Believer said...

"A wife must submit to her husband, even if he is a wicked man"

No, a thousand times NO...

I will be addressing this one with it's own article. I am short on time but it will be soon.

Some cherry pick the bible. This is one of those instances.

You do not submit to evil.

[by the way I have never been divorced and have been married almost 20 years and have only had a relationship with one man [my husband] my entire life]

and I am going to definitely take issue with this.

Bible Believer said...

The whole counsel of God is to be applied.

Joy said...

Bible Believer,
I agree with your article to depart from evil people. Yet we ARE called to forgive, because Christ Jesus forgave us, while we were yet dead in our trespasses and sins. We are to love our enemies, pray for them, do good and not evil. If we do not forgive, the bitterness will be rot to our insides. This is not a Pollyanna sweet forgiveness but something that Jesus's Holy Spirit uses in our life to mature us and make us whole in him. This is the fruit of the Holy Spirit in action. And if this hurt is done by someone whom you have not been called to depart from, that unspoken forgiveness and love, vulnerability and even bearing the pain and reproach, I believe can be the heaping coals of conviction that may be used to lead someone to Christ. But there will be other times that you will forgive and keep the seed of bitterness from taking hold in your life, yet still depart for the safety of yourself or your family.

Thank you again for the time and research you do on this, and providing these comments where we can learn from one another.


Anonymous said...

"Going back to the Betrothal view, many Bible believers think the word "fornication" is key because their perspective is that the use of this word strongly suggests something other than lawful marital infidelity. They think "fornication" is given as a reference to pre-marital infidelity during a Jewish betrothal period."

So I am supposed to stay married to an adulterer and catch herpes or AIDS? My God the world is smarter than most Christians!

Bible Believer said...

I do not agree with Christians who deny that there is a biblical precept for divorce when it comes to adultery. I do not think someone is required to remain married to an adulterer. Often the adulterers will LEAVE too. There is nothing to hold them. Would some of these Pharisees say that a Christian is still in bondage after being LEFT by an adulterer. I wonder if we will hear from some that Anna must still remain married to Josh even if he goes and shacks up with one of his lovers.

I believe divorce is one area of total Phariseeism in the churches. I saw how divorced people were treated in Catholicism even the ones who were the totally innocent parties where they were left and had remained faithful. It made me sick. No, no one has to sit there and catch herpes and Aids. I believe that people who sit by and draw no boundaries actually help to enable evil and make sure true repentance will never happen on part of the cheating party. I will post more about this topic.

Bible Believer said...

Joy, Yes we are to "forgive" in the way to be done with bitterness, but this does not necessarily mean reconciliation. We are to depart from the wicked. Many today teach that wicked people must be embraced and accepted and all sorts of sociopathy and evil deeds are to be excused. I have encountered sociopaths in my life.

I believe Anna [if the story of Josh cheating and the rest is true] would be one in the place to depart for the safety of herself and her children. There are many wicked sociopathic people [biblical reprobates] who are incapable of repentance or even remorse. Many do take advantage of religious people as the churches, today teach Forgive, Forgive and skip the endless parts of the Bible that deal with reprobation.

Bible Believer said...

Anonymous said...

To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife (1 Cor. 7:10-11).

If a woman fears for her safety of that of her children, she can leave, but if her husband is still alive, she cannot remarry and remain a Christian.

By law, a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress (Romans 7:2-3).

A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. (1 Cor. 7:39)

And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

The verse about not being in bondage refers to staying or forcing a relationship with a non-believer who wants to leave. Paul said in 1 Cor.7 "But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. " THIS DOES NOT PERMIT REMARRIAGE WHILE SAID SPOUSE IS ALIVE!!

Fornication exception only applied to OT practice of betrothal- that is why it is not present in Luke 16:18 or Mark 10:12.

Anonymous said...

To the anonymous who was wondering if should stay with a cheating spouse and catch aids, she can depart, but she must remain unmarried as long as her spouse is alive-- no matter how nasty or cheating he is. She CAN leave, but she cannot remarry while he is still alive.

To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife (1 Cor. 7:10-11).

Many may feel this is harsh unfair but the Bible does not allow remarriage while the spouse is still alive. We must obey Jesus IF we want to stay on the narrow and DIFFICULT road that leads to life. That is part of our picking up our cross to follow him. If you want to be his sheep you MUST follow (obey). John 10:27. Do not believe those wolves in sheep's clothing who say that following (obeying) Jesus is only optional -- that you can have salvation without it. These wolves call such disobedience "grace" but it is a license for immorality. See Jude and 2 Pet 2. "They (the grace changers) promise liberty while they themselves are slaves of depravity". 2Pet 2:19 He became the author of salvation for all who OBEY him" Heb 5:9. It is the broad road that is comfortable and considers only feelings. God told us we are not to rely on our own understanding. He also said in Jude that those who live by their feelings (senses, flesh. etc..) will be destroyed. It is hard to live life this - obediently -- but the true grace of God (Titus 2:12) will give you the ability to live holy. (even if it means you have to live alone) If it is any consolation- I'm doing it too. Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings. 1Pet 5:8 God bless you