Friday, June 26, 2015

Supreme Court: Homosexual Marriage Legal in All 50 States

There's going to be fall-out from this in my opinion. Some states may exit the "marriage" business all together. Marriage itself is going to be devalued, where in the future, all will register as "civil partners" or something for insurance reasons. We know they are breaking down family and relationships. Of course all the push for homosexuality pushes depopulation and other agendas.

Homosexual Marriage is About the Destruction of Marriage.

Where Homosexual Marriage is Headed

Just about everyone I know supports this. Someone I know who does not agree with my religious viewpoints says to me, "The Republic will survive!" I replied, "Sodom and Gomorrah didn't last very long."


Anonymous said...

Seeing all the positive reactions on social media just makes me feel more than ever that this world is not my home.

Anonymous said...

Isn't this fabulous!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Work it girl!!!!!!!

Our wonderfully diverse Supreme court has given us another progressive ruling. Thank God the Supreme court isn't full of WASPs. Down with the confederate flag and up with the sodomite flag. This is a monumental time in Amurrika. Silly Christians trying to keep things moral in Amurrika. Oh no honey, fecal matter marriage is finally legal. Isn't it grand?

Anonymous said...

Another extreme example of federal overreach, determining what is law instead of what is lawful. The supreme court actually thinks they are gods. Romans 14:12 - Don

Anonymous said...

Romans 1 is the only way to respond to all of this in this nation. I do believe God has given this nation what it wants, and turned people over to their reprobate mind. I always go back to the Old Testament and Israel when I see enemies rising againts believers, because they are a testimony as to why, and its always been Israel being wayward and going after the ways of the nations around them. For those of us whom the Lord has already brought out of the church building establishment:

Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

shelly said...

This is a sad day in America with more to come.

Bible Believer said...

Speaking of social media, yes most are very positive. I want to throw up. I know I have warned on here against the right with it's focus on homosexuality but in my mind they helped all this happen, creating outraqe and the culture wars they obviously LOST and that is what it was designed to do.

The more they battled the homosexuals with sold out Republican politicians who supposedly are only 1-2% of the population, the more they took center stage. So many are utterly clueless about the true nature of homosexuality, How do you tell the clueless brainwashed by the khaki clad Ozzie and Harriet types of the true homosexual world with their "leather" bars and rampant promiscuity and focus on looks? I suppose those sorts haven't been to a homosexual parade where men walk others on leashes and go half naked. I thought to myself about how America must appear to the rest of the world now, Sodom and Gomorah galore.

Even look at the timing of the fall of "Josh Duggar". It helped grease the skids. Duggar was a hypocrite [closet pedophile] speaking out against the gays. This helped shut up the alternative voices and peg all as "haters" and "hypocrites" against homosexuality. Didn't Roberts [one of the several Catholics] vote YES on this too?

I agree Don.

Romans 1 does apply here.

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

I agree this is a very sad day in America too.

Anonymous said...

I heard it was against the law to publicly recite Romans 1 in Canada - I could be wrong, but worth looking into.

Don't forget 2 Timothy 3 - this is also a perfect description of our world today.

1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

Don't just read this though, go to your Bible and finish the chapter to read what Paul went through in living his righteousness in exactly the same perilous times. Then read all of 2 Timothy. It's all good meaty food for understanding in these last days.

Anonymous said...

Marriage is the union of a man and a woman in covenant with God.

It always has been and always will be, and nothing the enemies of God say or legislate can ever change that fact.

Adultery is the grievous sin that it is, and is one of the most horrific crimes that can be committed, and the pain of adultery is beyond comprehension (yes, I do personally know). Why is it so bad, and why did it deserve the death penalty in the First Israel Covenant? Because it is the breaking of a personal covenant with God. Marriage always has been and always will be sacred and Holy, created by God, and in convenance with God. It will never be anything else.

I am sure readers will be aware of the Legal System that rules us now, Maritime Admiralty Law which was put upon us as a bond master unawares. Birth certificate, capital letters and all that... You all know what I mean. The legal system is masquerading as Law, it's an imposter... and under this legal system the rulers can make anything LEGAL, even though it is UNLAWFUL. Law is God's Law, and even the rulers know it can never be broken - that's why they cannot operate under it - they have to create an imposter of Law.

And under the legal system - they can make anything legal they want - yes in all seriousness they can make it legal for two house plants to marry. They can also make it ILLEGAL to follow LAW - IE - to follow God's Laws and Commandments.

See the trickery - first they make it a legal requirement to declare all marriages to the state, then they say that we all must APPLY for a marriage license to get permission to marry from the state - then only marriages registered to the state are recognised as legal marriages - then they make it LEGAL to divorce - even though divorce is UNLAWFUL (except Matthew 5:32) - and now they change the parameters of the definition of marriage.

See the trick. It's all a grand deception. None of it is LAW.

And who in the history of the world has ever needed to ask permission to marry from their rulers anyways? Only slaves.

This legal system is the very chains that keep us in bondage, that dictates our words and thoughts and actions.

Yes very soon, (and I know if I were to ever marry again), that no true believer would ever register that marriage with - nor seek permission for that marriage from their rulers. It would be in covenant with God Almighty, a union of one man and one woman, exactly as it has been since the garden of Eden, and always will be until the end of this earth.

The only thing that has happened here is the state marriage fakery has been exposed and the last of the remnant of Christ will now return back to the Marriage Law of God. They can define legal marriage however they want, but it will never be marriage under LAW.

It is indeed the final time to separate ourselves from this world, for the goats are no longer masquerading as sheep, the wolves are taking off their masks, and soon the reapers will gather the tares to the fire and gather the wheat to the barn.

Anonymous said...

Continuing from above, we all know it's the last days.

I do hope everyone has heard of the famous sermon by Jonathon Edwards called "Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God".

It is very appropriate for today, and in this discussion too. Please take time to listen. This is about the best rendition I've found.

Time is drawing to a close and the Lord will come as a thief in the night. We do not have time to waste to get our houses in order.

This sermon is incredibly perfect and suitable for right now today.

Also note that the life of Jonathon Edwards was not easy, he faced tremendous adversity from "the world". Exactly like many of us do now also, and exactly as many of the saints throughout history have also faced. The number one enemy of the devil is the flock of Christ. That's us. And there's not many of us left. So we must expect persecution and not fall asleep on John Bunyan's "Enchanted Ground" - which is interpreted as being a time when we are told to have rest in peace and safety from our trials as true believers in this wicked world - yet it is not, we are living in a time of false security as Christians, we cannot fall asleep and we must be ever watchful in these last times.

Not just watchful of the enemies of God, but also watchful that we are prepared for the Great Day of the Lord.

Anonymous said...

I've been grieving this decision and also grieving how many are accepting of this. As my husband and I discussed this this weekend and also discussed some of the family and childhood friends in support of this, he said a profound thing. "It means they are not really Christians at all." And this statement came from a man who is very confused about life and would tell you he does not know what he believes. This "all inclusive Christianity" is not Christianity at all, and it seems that the only ones who do not know it are the deceived, lukewarm church. The non-Christians do know it, and they are watching.


Anonymous said...

They say this means America is progressing, and that is true. We are progressing closer to His coming every day, when EVERY knee shall bow.
Every time I hear of gay "pride," I think of the verse "pride goeth before destruction."
So yeah, we are progressing all right.
Ya know, sure there are a lot of other sins we could worry about. But homosexuality is one of the few sins in which there are parades to celebrate the sin. I have never heard of a liar parade, or adultery pride, celebrating greed, you get my drift.
They make a mockery of themselves and don't even know it. Fools.

Anonymous said...

This is indeed sad day, how God's heart must be grieved with this world. And the worst is yet to come.

For me what makes it particulary sad is when Christians say we must love others unconditionally even though they choose a different lifestyle. How can we love without truth?

Anonymous said...

Everytime I hear "pride" I think of Nimrod, shaking his fast at God, same thing. Oh how many times I have heard over the last two days "don't judge" UGH, or saying "God is Love, Jesus is love". The Christians you see accepting this are of the harlot, they are not redeemed. I believe that this situation is going to show who the truly regenerated are, and who are false witnesses. I am grateful today, all this confirms what I have seen by affliction over the last few years. I have dealt with this court system on a personal level, false arrest, stole my two sons by court orders opposite of what was ordered, paid people off, attorneys telling me what happened "off the record" and not helping me at all, its disgusting! When I faced them, they look away, or told me "oh this happens all the time". I had to learn by affliction not only how to get up and walk, but the just because someone says "I believe in Jesus" doesn't mean a thing! There is a walk in obedience that follows. I feel like an outsider in this world, surrounded by these nations who hate God. On the other hand, I do go back and use Israel as an example. Many times God has used his enemies to deal with His children and bring them back to righteousness, this could be one of those times. It will be interesting to see how this all unfolds. The laws of the USA (mans kingdom) and the Commandments of God don't mix, two completely different kingdoms, time to choose!

Anonymous said...

It seems to me that the reason for the tumultuous uproar from the religious right wing is that they have been given their marching orders some time ago to focus laser-like on this to the exclusion of all else.

Look at all the problems in the world. Look at the problems in our own communities. Now forget about both of those because gay rights to marriage is the center of the universe as far as the church is concerned, and if they get those, it's the end of the world.


Homosexuals cannot enter Heaven according to the Bible. True enough, but neither will thieves, liars, adulterers or murderers.
Why do we forget the rest of those?

Let's look at those mouthpieces most adamant against gay marriage, and you will find a laundry list of divorces and scandals galore among the most notable preachers and the right wing politicians? You don't even want to know...
Jesus spoke an entire paragraph on divorce, but we don't talk about that, do we? Does your lardy pastor talk about gluttony? How about greed as he's lying through his teeth on tithes? No?

The unsaved world sees us as hypocrites for this very reason, and they have every right to do so.
Maybe instead of focusing on the sins of the world, we focus on our own. Judgement begins in the House of God, and I can't believe what we tolerate in the church.
But we do tolerate it because it's so much easier to focus on 'them', and 'them' is the current social sin they tell us to focus on.

For the record, I don't see gay marriage as the end all be all because it's civil marriage in the courthouses, not Holy Matrimony, and we as Christians should never give the nod of approval to segregation regardless of the form it takes.

We need to focus on what Jesus commanded us to focus on, and not the right wing.

God bless. :)

Anonymous said...

At least you admit it is wrong. Then why would a parade of people march down the street flaunting it? Let's just start there. I love it when homosexuals act like there is nothing wrong with their "lifestyle" and later they are caught trying to justify their sin by comparing it to lying, greed,....other SINS! So funny.
Yep, it's wrong, so are a lot of other things. Two wrongs don't make a right, but you knew that. :)

Anonymous said...

to the last anonymous: this whole thing of "don't judge" coming from BELIEVERS is so ludicrous. Its twisting scripture to say that. Get the mote out of your eye = repentance, that is the key word REPENT.
What do you do with this verse?
1 Corinthians 6:2O Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? 3Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?

I don't care HOW the unsaved world sees me, I do not get involved in wordly affairs to begin with. I am not here to save people at all. I will say this, there are two kingdoms here, MANS and GODS, choose which one you'll serve. This whole thing to me is more about seeing who is truly regenerated and who defends the world.

Anonymous said...

The replies on this topic have been incredibly insightful and truthful.

Yes, sin is sin, and we break one law - we break them all. What's the difference between homosexuality and stealing? Nothing. But as others have said - where are the parades for the prideful thieves and adulterers? However we do have parades and festivities for idolatry of course - christmas and easter, valentines day etc.

No matter who we are, no matter what we believe, no matter our race - we are all being led like with the nose ring of a bull. All of society is being fractionalised into opposing groups and told what to think, how to react, and how to have an opinion on every other group. Whites, blacks, muslims, Christians, pagans, homosexuals - we are all being played and taught what part we are to play for these invisible rulers.

Yes, Christians too are being taught to focus only on abortion and homosexuality - when their Baal preachers are fornicating, divorcing, stealing, fleecing, lying, deceiving the elect, are false prophets, and who change the Word of God into the nonsense of men and the lies of the adversary. All of it is fake. Turn away from the deceiver, refuse to follow, no matter our beliefs, our colour, our race - it's all a setup by the enemy of Christ. Refuse the leaders and instead read your Bible.

I did like the Nimrod quote - I ponder more nowadays if he was trying to get through the gate of heaven, the doors of heaven, or the windows of heaven. No matter which, I can understand God's anger at his pride of trying to escape the earth to reach the throne of God so that he may be as God. When I focus on the doorways to Heaven - I truly do understand God's wrath on this one.

To follow from that same anon's post - I am so sorry for your kids. Truly. I cannot imagine your heartache. We must wake up and realise we are under the rule of a mighty adversary and that we are his belongings (chattel), our law is gone, our justice in this world is gone, replaced by rulership of the enemy. Having suffered through much affliction myself in this system - what helped me was to continue to follow the commandments of God. Especially the ones I'd forgotten and I did not want to follow - I wanted to fight for truth and justice - but how can we fight for justice in a system of corruption? These Scriptures finally helped me after years of anguish - Romans 12:17-21 Matthew 5:38-48 1 Peter 3:9-18. These Scriptures helped me tremendously to keep things in perspective during trials of unbelievable cruelty. For me, it also helped to understand to leave things in God's hands entirely, not to fight against wrongdoings and wickedness. And what really sealed it for me was that when I was going against these commandments - I was also in sin... Luke 6:48 hit me hard that I was not doing as I was told. For years in tears I would cry out to my Lord why do you not avenge me... yet my prayers were in vain, as I was breaking the very commandments of the very God I cried out to. It is a long journey on this path, and the learning and growing always continues. Today I still fight myself as I continue to holster my pistols of defence, to give up every morsel of defending myself, and to instead follow the commandments of my God, for He says "Vengeance is mine - I will repay".

Dear Anon, my prayers are for you and your children. And what a great host of comments there has been on this topic.

Anonymous said...

Last Anon - Are you saying that pastors who rightly divide the Word and walk uprightly should perform same-sex marriages? You use the term "segregation" as if this was a question of civil rights and the morality does not enter into it. The Supreme Court should not have been the ones to decide this because they are a secular organization. This pits them against sincere people of faith in the Bible against the government, threatening religious freedom.

The LGBTQ agenda will never be satisfied until they have forced everyone to embrace them with open arms. They want to strip away religious freedom where their lifestyle is concerned. They speak of intolerance, but they are not tolerant of those who believe in traditional marriage as outlined in the Bible. They do not consider the Bible as any sort of authority.

We live in a fallen world. The Church has failed miserably to maintain a standard of holiness and speak out against those in its midst who choose a sinful path.

The government is supposed to protect religious liberty and yet it has created a catch-22 situation which will result in the LBGTQ folks coming after Christians and blackmailing them into either accepting them or withdrawing from public life or even causing them harm any way they can.

This was the case in California with Prop 8 when the names of donors were revealed and placed on a map so that they could be harassed and intimidated and "punished" for only doing what they felt was right.

Fasten your seatbelts folks. Even those who speak the truth in love and with grace will be ground into powder. Only God knows how long He will abide by this, but as His saints turn to Him He will provide and protect. It will drive many into His arms when they have been lax in doing so before due to a false sense of self sufficiency.

The government claims to recognize God, but that is not the God of the Bible. If you look at the founding fathers such as Jefferson who edited the Bible to suit himself and George Washington who was a Mason, don't kid yourself that our government is under the true God. Wake up Christians!

Violence and hateful words against LGBTQ is not from God and Christians should speak out against it while defending traditional marriage. Mega churches can expect an onslaught of tests to come. The small, nondescript little congregations can live in peace and don't have to fear having their tax exemption taken away.

We are in a new era.

No doubt this is a watershed event, but it is only the beginning and the plans to take up where this left off are in motion. This calls for wisdom and self-examination to be sure we are walking uprightly. We should pray for our children who must grow up in a confusion where they are in constant jeopardy. Parents, know the dangers and watch over your children and pray earnestly for their protection.

Anonymous said...

Well, we have the current situation fairly covered, but now ask yourself how we have arrived at this.

I'll begin by saying I'm old. Great-grandmother old. The kind of old where you should envision me as a tiny wrinkled gnome crouched on a stump dispensing wisdom to passerby.
I do make wonderful cookies, though, so I do have one endearing quality. :)

When we think of homosexuals, our minds go right to the sexual aspect. It shouldn't. Think of your spouse. You love everything about them, and sex is only one of many aspects to that.
Gays love their partners in the same way, and the only difference is that they are attracted to their own gender.
Really that's it, and to tell them to just try a heterosexual relationship would be met with the same disgust you would feel if someone suggested you tried homosexuality.
It's not a lifestyle choice; they are born this way. They are wired differently.

So let's ask why the homosexual population is growing, because then will we get to the heart of this.

Starting in the 1960s, we saw the rise of psychological medication promoted for children. It wasn't long before ADHD was diagnosed in the majority of children, and most were on a daily pharmaceutical cocktail.
Then antidepressants came on the scene, and depression was widely diagnosed in just about everyone.

Next to come on the scene was GMOs and a chemically laced and genetically altered food supply.
( By the way, did you know that most countries have outlawed our food? They refuse to import it. )
Look at the ingredient labels next time you're in the grocery. There isn't much actual food in those cans anymore.
Then the frozen meals - It's cheap, extremely processed with chemicals and about the only food the poor can afford.

Our bodies are not geared to process chemicals, so what does all this do to our genetic makeup? What do you suppose this does to a fetus?
So please don't blame homosexuals for the way they are. They are born this way, and I believe this is why they are wired differently.

Now the big question is; why are they doing this to us? Population control? Homosexuals don't reproduce, and heterosexuals will give birth to ever more homosexual children. Their population seems to be growing.

Something to think about, isn't it?

God bless. :)

In Christ Alone my hope is found said...

Not to veer to far off topic:..i work with a homosexual women at the fire dept...a few of them actually...the one at my staion claims to be a christian and goes to time i was being 'harassed' by an atheist firefighter and while standing my ground the lesbian came in a attempted to agree with me in belief of Christ and my ideologies concerning was very akward internally but i didnt externalize my discontent toward the homosexual should i, if at all confront this person, who is also my superior? It seems the homosexual person who is 'christian' these days sees nothing wrong with openly exposing their choice of lifestyle???? :(

Anonymous said...

Being against homosexuality and bowel movement marriage is not a right wing thing. It is a biblical thing. Comparing divorce and butt marriage is silly. There are no divorce pride parades. There is no divorce flag being waved. People don't have to worry about political correctness when speaking out against divorce. Christians are not going to be persecuted for speaking against divorce. Schools don't teach that divorce is normal like they do homosexuality.

Bringing up these other sins is just a straw man. Preachers do preach against these other sins. But many so called preachers are scared to preach against homosexuality. The reason that homosexuality is focused on by Christians is because homosexuality acceptance is being forced upon everybody. People are being forced to accept that homosexuality is normal and moral. It is not, never has been and never will be.

Anonymous said...

Anon - thanks for the encouragement. |I appreciate the prayers and the verses. YES the Matthew verses have been the hardest for me to endure. I also have cried out "why are you not changing this, do you not hear me pray?" But I am pretty sure God knows what HE is doing, me not so much and its best not to strive with all of it.

Again, thank you for the encouragement. I believe we are all going to see many things in the coming months. I guess you all have seen the news this morning that the Episcopal Church has now approved marrying same sex couples, moving fast!

Anonymous said...

To the cookie-baking great grandmother:

It is surprising that someone who one would expect to be a sage has bough into the lie that homosexuality is an inborn trait. That takes it out of the realm of sin which it is according to the Bible. The sin of self has existed since the Garden when Eve desired to have all knowledge like God. Man has set himself up as his own "god". That is Satan's ultimate objective which has never changed.

Yes, it has been the proverbial frog in the boiling pot and now our very religious faith is threatened. The Supreme Court has pitted civil rights against religious freedom and guess which one is bound to lose. Does that mean that God has stepped down from the throne and that His plan has been derailed? NO! A thousand times NO!
He has turned people over to their own delusions but the remnant will stay faithful despite persecution.

True Christian schools if they remain stalwart will lose their tax benefits. It will be a true test for them as to whether they trust God or mammon. The same thing could happen to churches to lose their tax deductible status is the pastor teaches the Bible and refuses to perform same sex marriages. That will test the mettle of the congregation as to where their hearts are in giving. It will separate the wheat from the chaff. It will be a sifting and a shaking.

The mega churches and mainstreamers will be the first to cave as they have the most to lose - it costs $$$ to maintain the big facilities. They can't afford to lose people.

Christians who run businesses would be wise to seek the Lord as to a different way of making a living.

Many Christians who do not agree with the LBGT! agenda are willing to live and let live, but the LBGTQ are not. They will be satisfied with nothing less than total public approval.

The wise see what is coming and take shelter under the wings of the Lord. The die is cast. It is high time for Christians to practice what they preach and hold fast to God's truth.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1:53 AM said...

"Being against homosexuality and bowel movement marriage is not a right wing thing. It is a biblical thing. Comparing divorce and butt marriage is silly."

If you are Christian, I caution you to remember who you represent in this world and to be fully mindful of the fact that you may be the only representative of Christ an unsaved person will ever see.

In other words, watch your mouth.

God bless. :)

Bible Believer said...

Yes lets try and keep our language clean. I know this is upsetting stuff, and I have thought some words in my mind that are less then wholesome thinking of what they are pushing now with gay marriage. This is something I have to work on. I have had to repent of some language myself.

Bible Believer said...

Canada is like Europe with some penalties for those who speak out against homosexuality.

I agree 2 timothy applies to these days definitely.

Even if the state removes all marriage licenses, know it is something God recognizes. Marriage exists outside their pieces of paper--the real ones. The homosexual weddings will never produce any real marriages in God's eyes no matter what they call them. I think that is the game plan to remove all marriage and end the legal standing of marriage to help break up the family.

The rulers make the rules but it doesn't mean all their laws are Gods laws. So I'm with you with the false laws. They an make it now legal for even the polygamists to marry. I read some woman wants to marry her father. Some European countries have now legalized incest.

Bible Believer said...

It has caused me grief too Joy. Your husband said a very profound thing. I am glad he seems through this homosexual marriage thing.

I agree that gay pride, is the same as the pride that comes before a fall.

Definitely. Think about the use of the word pride, for sin.

Yes they parade to celebrate the sin of homosexuality though obviously we have the idolatry parades too as another commenter posted--Christmas parades with Santa Claus, etc.

I have wanted to vomit at the false use of the word LOVE for this. Don't judge and we are told they are "in love". I agree it is the false Christians accepting this.

When I was UU, I had lesbian pastors, etc, when I was born again, I knew homosexuality was a sin. No more deception. The Christians who embrace it are NOT being led by the Holy Spirit. They are the same as lost people.

So sorry for your court troubles anon and will keep praying.

Next anon, I always wrote my theories that the right wing pounded on gay marriage on and on on to assure it would happen. It simply rallied the gays to embrace the idea of marriage which to be honest most were not interested in. The real agenda is to destroy marriage. Of course our Luciferian rulers want as many personal relationships and family ones gone as possible.

The right wing helped this to happen as much as the left.

They obeyed their marching orders and rallied the troops. Ever notice no one bothered with any legal remedies for the gays--no civil unions etc--not saying I agreed with that but they headed straight for marriage.

The clueless people who think homosexuals live like straight people make me nauseous. The divorce courts are going to implode. Homosexuals especially men are far far more promiscuous. The gay "divorces" will reach to the sky. I guess the divorce lawyers are rubbing their hands with glee, to help divide the assets of wealthy homosexuals. I have noticed in my neck of the woods the homosexuals all have very good jobs and are on the very wealthy end of the scale.

How many sins did they obliterate to focus on the gays? Divorce is far higher. Even the Christians are divorcing. I know some divorces will happen no matter what--someone is innocent party to another spouse leaving or cheating but divorce and remarriage not for any biblical foundations is rampant in the churches. Other sins are ignore for the homosexuals as fornication among the straights is ignored.

The right wing ones, divorce and remarry so often, what is Rush Limbaugh on his fourth wife? one can barely keep track, and the pastors aren't any better.

The unsaved world is disgusted with Christians. Hey I'm disgusted watching the church world. But sadly the lost world is embracing the devil's lies in returns and only a few of us are under the protection of the Holy Spirit.

I agreed they focused on "them" those others. 1-2% of the population got 98% of the attention.

Bible Believer said...

I think the gay parades are almost overcompensation. Like flaunting sin to overcome the spark of conscience for those who have not been seared yet, that says, this is wrong. They whoop it up to shut down that little voice inside.

I agree with society being fractionalized, right and left, gay and straight, all the races being pitted against one another. It's like they are playing chess. They just moved the gay chess piece to knock out another one. The right wing will react with anger and threats. Texas is already protesting gay marriage. The "conservative" areas of the country will be fighting the "liberal" ones.'

The culture wars, definitely got people to focus only on abortion and homosexuality while other sins got worse. it was easier for many to say look at those gays instead of the evils from their narcissitic sociopathic preachers or themselves.

Fighting for truth in this world is hard. I feel for anyone caught in the juggernaught of the legal system. I had my own run-ins for a civil matter and it was like being crushed. My matter was easily resolved but many are not. The legal system is not following what is moral or "right" anymore. It has departed from God's laws in many cases and this homosexual marriage thing is right there. How do you fight for justice in a system of corruption? I think of the hits even for this blog, I'm a Christian woman, and so much craziness in my life just for this blog. Even writing elsewhere I had a "controller" sent after me. They want truth tellers silenced. Trust me on that one. Anyone standing up for justice or truth now is under major oppression. We all need God's help. Sometimes I fear this world is going to ruin me. I have to pray to God all the time. I hope and pray you are freed from your years of anguish soon.

Thank you for writing me your experience, because I have had those thoughts too, why God have you not brought me justice in this world? This is something I will pray on too as well as very wicked people have brought me harm but thankfully not in the legal system which I believe crushes endless souls and spirits.

Bible Believer said...

I agree there are militant LGBTQ people. One thing I am noticing is they are pushing the transgenderism and other weird sexual categories where gender is being erased and replaced by fantasy genders--gender queer, transgendered, bisexual and just all the confusion you can think of. It's like the otherkin thing but using sexual identity.

I see most of them as pawns. The controllers know how to use them to remove freedoms from the rest of us. Notice how gays demanded free speech rights decades ago but now want that removed for those of us who do not agree with their lifestyle. It is not enough that each group just let the other live in peace, they are using them to order us about and to seek to "make" us think another way.

I am so outnumbered among gay supporters it is very hard. I have been told I am "mean", "judgmental" and worse.

I worry about all the Christians now who will lose their jobs because they will refuse to marry gays like court clerks. More oppression will await them. This may not be PC but I think being homosexual at least around here seems to almost guarantee upper middle class status. The gays have their own network. They bypass Joe Six-Pack and rise up the corporate ranks.

I never was deceived by the "Christian" nation nonsense but those who have approved gay marriage worship the "god" of the freemasons, Lucifer.

I agree we are not to be hateful to gays, but witness the gospel to them and pray the Holy Spirit rescues them from their bondage. Many become gay even from the sins of others helping them into that world, with massive numbers having been sexually abused.

I pray for young people too and they need to be told direct truth and how influences out in culture will try and harness the sins of lust and push them into sexual experimentation and the homosexual world. Many believe they are "born that way" but I do not believe that way except in very rare hormonal cases where there is some hermaphroditism--the eunuchs that are born...Most are influenced into that world.

Bible Believer said...

Hello, lady old enough to be a grandmother. :)

Well with the homosexuals, they focus on the sex do they not? They have made sex or their choice of sexual partners the core component of their identity. This is one thing that worries me. They are in a part a product of our over-sexed culture.

I have not been a sheltered person and have been around gays, both gay men and lesbians. I have always been hetero but lived in a huge metro city with well known "gay neighborhoods" There was a lesbian dominant half a mile from me and a gay male one around 4 miles from me. It was not San Francisco but let's say I saw a daily taste of San Francisco. There were transsexuals on the bus and a bunch of other less then wholesome views. I saw things probably some would not believe even as an outside viewer.

I do not see the relationships the same as heteros. Many experimented, and slept around. One misnomer about the gay world is that it is as monogamous as the straight world this simply is not true. I knew lesbians who even experimented with partners on the side. Since this is a Christian board, I cannot go into some other things I heard about. In this community I was in, even pre-Christian days, I was lauded as a "prude" because I was outraged by some of the public displays.

For most of the homosexuals I knew, there was extreme sexual abuse backgrounds. Most of the gay men had been attacked as boys and the lesbians had faced rape such as from step-fathers.

I do think there can be some truth to your theory that chemicals and other things are affecting this too though. I think hormones are being affected by the GMos. I have been troubled wondering why young men seem more effeminate then they used to be. Remember I am on the old side of things too.

I do believe God's laws apply even to the hormonally challenged and they will be asked to make a spiritual choice. I think the poisoning of our food and other toxins are being done for many purposes and perhaps hormone-confusion is one of them.

They are pushing homosexuality for population control. Homosexuals don't breed. I also believe the mechanics of homosexuality ensure plagues. Everyone knows about AIDs, but one thing that is never discussed is how homosexual sex helped produce MRSA. That one they have kept out of the news and now that disease has been let out of the bag and is ravaging innocents and even children.

So there will be more disease as homosexuality spreads.

God makes his rules for a reason.

Anonymous said...

Ancient Anon here again. :)

I'm admittedly not the most eloquent of speakers, so I'm not surprised to have been somewhat misunderstood in my statements.

I'll try again in shorthand.

I'm not suggesting that I approve of any of this, but that they were born this way. It's not something that they can change, and we shouldn't be holding them up to ridicule as many do.

I do have a long lens where it concerns the passage of time, and although homosexuals have always existed, never have there been so many. With the toxic sludge we are consuming, I would say these children's genetic makeup is being changed in the womb.

But, sin is sin. Had I been born gay, in light of God's Word, I would have chosen a celibate existence.
The fact that I've aged badly, and now look alot like Buddy Ebsen would have helped with that.
I look just like my father. He was a very handsome man, but would have made for one homely woman.

Thank you, BB, for this wonderful website. I'm expanding my horizons with all the articles and comments on each one.
This website is keeping me off the streets, too. Since my arrival here, I've not been tempted to join any motorcycle gangs.

God bless all you dears. :)

Anonymous said...

I posted earlier referring to Luke 6:48 - that was a typo - I meant Luke 6:46 - I hope that makes more sense now :)

Anonymous said...

I need to be careful of how I say things because of hate laws. Even though I hate no-one.

I believe these are the times of God's sifting, and that we are all at risk here. Not just from the deceptions of the devil, but from the strong delusions which God Himself is now giving people in abundance. I believe those things we focus on and lust after which are against the Laws of God - that it is right now that we will we given over to those delusions by God Himself.

Going back to Romans 1 and 2 Timothy 3 - no matter what the desires of our hearts are that are against God, we will be given over to those desires 100 or 1,000 fold at this time. Speaking as a man, what's the difference if I want to bed 300 women or 300 men - or if I will destroy 100 families for my own greed - or if I speak 10,000 lies to my wife - commit adultery 30 times - or if I bash and rob others - or if I'm an abortionist - or if I'm a sun worshipper Baalist - or if I deceive the elect - claim to be a prophet - or if I just hate God ??? According to the Scriptures - there is no difference.

Why is there an increase now in homosexuality? Because it was prophesied to be so. Exactly the same as the mass increase in all the other sins listed in 1 Romans and 2 Timothy !! People are being given over to their lusts in abundance. Being given over to a reprobate mind - to do things which are in their hearts and which are against God.

Why? So our Righteous Judge can Judge them according to their sin. So that we as the Bride will see that Judgement and know it is just. So that we as the Bride will see the signs and the seasons of the times which are upon us and take that warning to get out of Sodom and Egypt. That we may see this sin in such great abundance and depart, to be separate - which is the very meaning of being Holy. That we are so at enmity with this great sin around us - that we will depart.

We all need to be careful in these times, lest we too be given over to our lusts.

And if we buy the lie - and hate - then we will be given over to that hateful heart. Just as those who commit these sins we speak of have also been given over to their lusts. As already mentioned - we need not only be careful of the enemy in this time - we need to be fearful of God - lest we too be given over to a reprobate mind, and be Judged.

To abhor sin and to try to stay away from sin - is righteous.

To hate and reject sinners - is in direct contradiction of Jesus Christ.

Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Luke 7:34 - Luke 15:1 - Luke 5:30 - Mark 2:16 - Matthew 21:32 + so many others.

Mark 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Matthew 21:31 Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

God bless our King and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Anonymous said...

Dear Bible Believer,

I realize you address the topic of homosexuality here, which indeed, the Bible labels as a sin. Homosexuality is a sin and it is the destruction of marriage and of the family as God has ordained through His very Word.

We need to realize that homosexuality has not been the precursor to the destruction of marriage as we know it, nor can we blame homosexuality for the breakdown of the family. In bringing up the topic of divorce within the church, many have already been persecuted and ostracized because the practice of divorce has been so widely accepted, amongst the clergy, leadership, and on down. Pastors, elders, church boards, Sunday School teachers, men and women's Bible study teachers, Youth Group leaders, and the like are products of divorce, and they are having a direct line of influence on everyone in our churches, including our children.

Many of us have married into families where divorce has become the norm and we dare not speak out against it for it hurts feelings/relationships. And many of us have been the victims of the fruits of the divorced family members pride, bitterness, hatred, anger, gossip, and the like because we do not "side" with them in hating their former spouses and accepting their "single and free" lifestyles. For those of us who choose to not side with a particular party within the extended family unit, we then, become the targets of the brothers and sisters of our spouses due to the fact that we choose to not get involved in their heterosexual conflicts/divorce/fornication/remarriage/etc.

I have literally witnessed those who attend churches on a regular basis, those who call themselves Christians/followers of Christ, those who are divorced heterosexuals destroy the marriages others....fathers and mothers destroying the marriages of their sons and daughters, brothers and sisters destroying the marriages of their siblings, church members destroying the marriages of other church members, pastors destroying the marriages of his congregation, leadership in churches destroying the marriages of lowly pew sitters.....all the while ignoring the wickedness of their own hearts and boldly proclaiming that "homosexuality is a sin!!!!"

To hide the wickedness that lies in the hearts and minds of the heterosexual community all the while pointing out the 'sin' of the homosexual community is hypocrisy in its finest moment. And I am sorry here Bible Believer for posting this, but as a victim of family abuse from my in-laws, I am plain sick and tired of the double standards of those who claim they are Christian.

Divorce has really done a number in the Christian community as many of us are sick and tired of being on the receiving end of the whip of those people who have not come to grips with the failures of their own marriages. Please, divorced heterosexual community, do not take out your frustrations on the rest of us who are trying to keep our marriages intact.......divorced church people......please leave our marriages alone........PLEASE.

Anonymous said...

"Ancient Anon"

In Genesis 2:21-24 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man. And Adam said: "This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

If God says He is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, He is unchangeable. So your wisdom tells you that man has evolved into something that God says is sin against Him. According to your wisdom God is going to have to apologize to those that were destroyed at Sodom and Gomorrah. All sin is an abomination before God.

An over abundance of hormones may change the thinking and appearance of a person. But the genetic makeup is still the same. There will never be a homosexual genetic code in humans. It is unrepentant sin that changes the thinking even in people who claim to be saved.

You may be old but none the wiser. I think age has come faster than wisdom.


Anonymous said...

For "Ancient Anon" - cookie-baking Grandmother - you have a cute sense of humor.
However, I must ask you this question.
Would our holy God create any human being with inbred sin other than what every human being has, that of a spirit in need of rebirth?

To say God would deliberately create someone with a condition that He labels as sin that was beyond the individual's control to overcome would not be the act of a righteous and holy God, would it?

Also, why would God create some with the sinful condition and some not?

You, dear sister have bought into a lie.

We are never to show hate to toward anyone regardless of the sexual orientation they claim. That should be the mark of a true Christian. However, that does not mean that we accept and endorse what we believe God calls sin. That is not hateful. It is a matter of one's faith and belief and religious liberty. That should not offend anyone. But sadly, it does because too many people don't address the issue in a godly way and thereby make enemies of those who do not hold to our beliefs. Parents in these times must address issues with their children that little ears should not have to hear, but that is the times in which we live. It calls for much prayer, wisdom.

Anonymous said...

It would have to be a lot of hormones to change your desire for which sex you want to sleep with. I say this because I once had to take a male hormone for a medical condition for quite a while. It didn't cause me to desire the same sex. I kind of thought it made me less emotional though, so maybe hormone's are why women tend to get more emotional..

Anonymous said...

For the commenter who posted about the church members doing these horrible things to each other and bringing pain and loss to others. Very well said.

It’s not just an increase of sodomy in Romans 1. But many other traits and practices which are against the truth of God and which are at enmity with God. And it seems that many of those who sit in church buildings and claim to be Christian, have likewise also been given over to other things mentioned here. The church members you describe may not be practicing homosexuality, but they sure sound like they are indulging in and living almost every other trait mentioned in Romans 1.

Those church members you describe seem unrighteousness, fornicators, wicked, covetous, malicious, envious, debaters, deceivers, whisperers (gossipers), proud, boastful, disobedient (dishonouring) to parents, covenant breakers, without natural affection and unmerciful.

Which are all traits mentioned right alongside sodomy in Romans 1 - and all of which are also equally signs of being given over to a reprobate mind by God.

We all need to be careful in these perilous times - lest we too be sifted - and Judged.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God is at work here in these final days. Those who will be righteous can now so clearly see and abhor the grievous sin all around them, because God has magnified that same sin for our eyes to see so clearly. These are indeed signs of the season, and it is instruction for the Bride to depart from the wicked, and to be holy (separate), lest we too be partakers of the wickedness and judgements which now befall Babylon the Great. We see and we can also expect greater wickedness to continue to increase exponentially at greater and greater speed - until the end. Expect much worse to come, these things are just the beginning.

Anonymous said...

Joel, I agree with your response, we have to keep trying to set the record right, statements are made all the time about the genetics and there is absolutely no medical/scientific proof to support it. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

2Peter 3:17-18 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.

Some are going to be led away because they do not read the Word of God.


Bible Believer said...

Thank you and Joel too for your post to the grandmother who posted

I do not believe God leads people with inbred sin. The bible speaks of eunuchs who are born that way and I believe that would apply to hermaphrodites and these are the ones God would not see as "sinning".

Many people have hormonal diseases, that mean do not get turned gay. Some women have a disease called PCOS that gives high levels of testosterone. I still believe lesbianism is wrong for them. Even if society puts pressure on that "butch" women should be gay and small thin men should be gay--[ever notice how most gay men are smaller?] these are lies from Satan they use to fill the homosexual ranks.

Bible Believer said...

here is a lot of pressure on marriage. Some actually see divorce as a rite of passage. We struggle in my household with poverty and some people presented divorce as an "answer" for me. I said, No that would be wrong in the eyes of God and love my husband. I do think this made some of my suffering worse.

Some are ready to say to people "Go get divorced" and sadly the Christians are just as bad. This is less obvious in more fundamentalist churches but even in those you saw many divorced and remarried [not widowed before hand] people. Romans 1 definitely sums up many sins beyond homosexuality. Many people in the church system feel even more uncomfortable then they do among unbelievers. In way you are safer if you know what you are getting.

Watch out for anyone who tells you how holy they are. I have to battle my own sins with God's help. Those people are often predators who boast of their own holiness. The churches are full of the appearance of holiness types who will put daggers in too many people's backs. In fact what I hear from people I witness too is how "evil" Christians are and mean to them. I have been hurt too. I had some church Christians [not in the church I left] but elsewhere hurt me and tell me that I was wicked for not going to church.

I agree that sex sins get the same results as many other sins. I am worn in society sometimes and even fear my own love getting cold. It is getting very tough out there. We are in the days where people have waxed cold and I have no doubt of it.

Anonymous said...

What incredible comments on this thread. Some have bought into the 'hate' program we are being told to follow, some have given into "it's all natural" program we are also told to follow as a "love and understanding" alternative to the "hate" program... but most see the deception at play and don't buy into it at all :) God has blessed your understanding.

The days of David and Elijah slaying the sodomites and Baalists ended 2,000 years ago at the beginning of the Second Covenant.

Yes BB, so many claim to be "holy". But I guarantee that all those who claim so do not even have knowledge of the meaning of the word. They believe holy to mean close to God, close to God's law, living clean, better than the sinners etc. When the word means no such thing. And such people claiming to be holy are only really claiming to be in a better state or relationship to God than others. We are better than you is what they are really saying.

This is not what Holy means.

Holy means separate.

God is the most Holy because He is most separate to everything His hands have created. The Holy of Holies was the closest to come to God on this earth because it was so separate from everything else - clean and sanctified by the Most High. The Levite priesthood was the ONLY ordained priesthood by God under either the First or Second Covenant, therefore that too was Holy, ordained by God. There has been no priesthood ever since, for the temple of God is within man.

Biblical Israel was Holy because God made it separate, to be a peculiar people unto Himself. But didn't they sin so grievously.

To be Holy now in these times - means we must separate from the wicked world around us. That's all. Same as always.

To be a true Holy man or woman now, is to simply separate from the wicked. While also grieving in our own sin, knowing that we can never be justified of ourselves, praying and crying out to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for remission of our sin. True Holiness today means being broken, being unworthy, with faith in the Gift of the Sacrifice as our only hope for salvation, and the most Holy of all are those who most broken and pious and those who cannot pray to the heavens in prayer for the shame of their sin.

Unconverted and unrepentant church folk who look down upon any man, or who believe they are in better standing with God and therefore better than their own brethren - are in great sin. And if they look upon their brother who is in poverty while they abound in riches and give nothing to that brother or look down upon that brother then they are no different than Ananias and Sapphira. And they are living in direct contradiction of the life of Jesus Christ and the Apostles, who in their entire ministries gave up everything for the impoverished brethren and spent their lives to assist them in their times of need. Seems we are today in a similar position?

The "I am better than you" Christians are no Christians at all. They are unrepentant, unsaved, and living in enmity against God and every teaching of Jesus and the Apostles. They most certainly are not Holy, and they do not know the meaning of the word. I do not want to be harsh... I only pray God He separate the goats from the sheep, awaken the lost, give sight to the blind and that His Will be done on earth. There were many claiming to be Christians from Acts onwards until today, that were not. The Apostles could see them, and most of us can see them even today. Be separate. Depart from them.

Anonymous said...

Ephesians 5:17-24

"This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. But you have not so learned Christ, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: that you put off concerning your former conduct, the old man, which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness."

Author: God, the Holy Spirit