Tuesday, April 21, 2015

False Philosophies: The Glorification of Pain and Suffering

                                           [I am NOT a supporter of CS Lewis but this meme bugs me too]

I keep seeing articles and memes like this one line and they deeply bother me.

"Pain is not a mistake"

Many people in watered down churches, praise such articles and almost say pain is a good thing.
Didn't pain and death come into this work via sin and Satan? It worries me when people say pain is a good thing. Such folks never have suffered chronic pain in their lives. One seeks God for comfort but the pain itself is not a "good thing". What next praising cancer, chronic illness and death?"

"Pain is not a sign that you’ve taken a wrong turn or that you’re doing life wrong. It’s not a signal that you need a different life or partner or body or home or personality. Pain is not a hot potato to pass on to the next person or generation. Pain is not a mistake to fix. Pain is just a sign that a lesson is coming. Discomfort is purposeful: it is there to teach you what you need to know so you can become who you were meant to be. Pain is just a traveling professor. When pain knocks on the door—wise ones breathe deep and say: “Come in. Sit down with me. And don’t leave until you’ve taught me what I need to know.”

So every pain has a lesson to teach? I wonder what dozens of kidney stones taught me in 2013? This is one worrisome teaching in Catholicism, where as a child in Catholic school, I was told pain and suffering was sacrifices unto God. The New Age too, which this article has vestiges of tells you ,pain is a good thing and a "teacher". Now I believe God can teach via hardships, there is chastisement, but too many non-believers are seeking to make everything "sacred", when it is not. Bad things happen in this world, that are not holy and often the outcome of wicked people.

It reminds me of this theological nonsense, Mother Teresa definitely followed a false jesus, this is horrible stuff:

God is not the author of evil.


Anonymous said...

The bible does talk about suffering.

2 Corinthians 12:8-10

Romans 5:1-5

James 1:2-4

Matthew 5:45

Hosea 6:1

Suffering and pain is because of sin.If we were not living in a fallen world nothing bad would happen. But God's grace can get us through it. And God can use suffering. Sometimes even to get people saved. And for whatever reason, God allowed Paul to keep his physical affliction. Even Our Salvation as Christians came from Jesus suffering on the cross and then Rising again.

Romans 8:18-21

Romans 8:28

Anonymous said...

hi bible believer how your health doing and 5 year anniversary for your blog.

Anonymous said...


So-called "Christians" get off on it, for whatever reason.

It's sick.

Bible Believer said...

I agree God can use suffering, but seeing suffering as a gift or not a mistake [suffering out of sin or death that came to this world] can lead people down a bad path. Thanks regarding 5 anniversary for blog. My health has some challenges, please pray but I am still going. Suffering doctrine is a good phrase for it, I heard enough of those those themes in the Catholic church. I suppose with this one there is balance to be had.

Anonymous said...

Oh, thank-you for this post!
First anon; suffering is not always from sin. Isn't that what Job's friends tried to do;tell him his suffering must have been from some sin..
I also grew up in the catholic church, and and they do sometimes glorify suffering ( and being poor).It really affected me. Then I got into buddhism, and they to glorify suffering..That's when I caught on to how horrible that doctrine is..
God, as our Father, would not revel in our suffering..
I live with chronic pain and I assure you, after a while there is nothing to be learned, it's just pain. Never ending pain.
We should extend mercy on all who are in pain.There is the gift, if you want to call it that. The other person has a chance to extend love and mercy..I find when others are loving to me when I am in pain, it is lessened.

Anonymous said...

Also, sometimes other peoples sins against us can cause us great suffering and our sins can cause others to suffer..

TruthVigilantee said...

"...but to the degree that you share the sufferings of Christ, keep on rejoicing, so that also at the revelation of His glory you may rejoice with exultation."
1 Peter 4; 13

"Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials..." James 1; 2

"So they went on their way from the presence of the Council, rejoicing that they had been considered worthy to suffer shame for His name." Acts 5; 41

"Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me." Matthew 5; 11
(oh yeah, been there baby!)

"...and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him." Romans 8; 17

"For to you it has been granted for Christ's sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake..." Philippians 1; 29

"If you are reviled for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you."
1 Peter 4; 14

"Now this He said, signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. And when He had spoken this, He said to him, "Follow Me!" " John 21; 19

So, that is the 'despised' 'doctrine' of 'suffering' when it comes to being "for His namesake." Other suffering, yeah, I can skip it...
( ;
I gather the time must be getting close...
So, uh, BB, what do you think of all of this? I'll be looking for a response as well as the comment. Hopefully all the legions of the dark prince won't accuse me of being some sort of 'troublemaker' or 'fake' for asking this question. All the cowardly anons come out of the woods with their barbs when the truth comes out. (Just an observation people, don't get too hot under the collar over it...)

Anonymous said...

I have a difficult time calling Theresa "mother" for she is a false icon of the true character of Jesus Christ. She was a fraud, receiving millions upon millions of dollars to use in helping the sick get the proper medical care they needed to comfort and heal, but most of that was mysteriously channeled to other systems/one being the Vatican. She had a sick and warped view of suffering, stemming from her sick religious beliefs (Catholicism), and witnessed the true Gospel of Jesus Christ to no one.

And what pains me to no end, is how the women in my former church quoted Theresa and looked up to her as the epitome of "loving." One woman, whose name is Theresa, proudly walked up to the front of the church during "praise and blessing time" and bragged to the rest of us dumb pew sitters saying, "I am so honored by my youth group because many call me "mother Theresa."

"Praise and blessing" times in most churches these days open up the doors for such pride, boasting and bragging, and outright idolatry of man.....

and Jesus rarely, if ever, receives the Glory that He deserves. Our churches are starving and suffering from the audacity of human pride.

What does true repentance look like in church?

Anonymous said...

TruthVigilantee, as an anon commenter, I don't think your question is contentious, but I do think calling people names who want to post anonomously is. I don't think TruthVigilantee is your real name..
All your Bible quotes were nice and I do agree that suffering for Christ's names sake, makes you blessed and glorify's his name.
But, having chronic pain,because of an autoimmune disease is not the same thing.
Plus if I had the memory and the energy I could post lots of quotes about not speaking to others the way you did( legions of the dark prince). Some people who view that may be new Christians. What kind of example does that set.

Anonymous said...

I do not stand guilty, nor ashamed for posting anonymously, nor do I believe that I am a coward. For some choose to use a pen name, a pseudo name, a first name or a first and last name, whatever the case may be.

I choose to consciously post anonymously for I believe this is guarding my heart and family. I could choose to post my first name and thus still remain anonymous to some extent or I could post as a "Vigilant Truther" or a "Bible Reader", which of course is probably not on my birth certificate.

Or I could just plain repeat the words of a pastor who used his mouth/words/and sermon speech to publicly call out and humiliate those who did not agree with his new apostolic teachings nor his participation in demonic manifestations......he called us "jezebel spirits."

Jesus did call people names in His day...."wolves in sheep's clothing, brood of vipers, white washed tombs, etc." Not very flattering to the religious of His day I must say.

Bible Believer said...
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Bible Believer said...

Yes please avoid calling other posters "legion of the dark prince" even indirectly.

Truth Vigilante,
I believe there is suffering that can come about from seeking to obey God, martyrship, division, I am going through the fall out of division from family members. [many relatives hate my faith] This is suffering that is tribulation and what those verses refer to. This is suffering for His name sake.

However there is suffering in this world, that came in via sin and death. Pain, chronic illness, autoimmune illness, rare conditions etc. This is what Sue was referring to. I agree with her. I have faced my own health problems and When one watches their body detriorate, while they can turn to God for comfort, I do not believe this brings any amount of "sacredness" or makes suffering a "holy thing" like the Catholics and Buddhists try to sell. This is the fallen world acting upon us human beings.

Sue, I understand people here posting under a moniker {I'm doing it too} and using anon, that is why I made it available.

Bible Believer said...

Anon when a preacher praised mother teresa from the pulpit I knew I was in a false church. yes she got millions of dollars and fed the poor beggars gruel, denied them modern medical care even having the funds to provide it and made them sleep on the floor on mats, rendering them more helpless from their illnesses. I think she could be one of those most wicked women who ever lived. I used to do articles exposing her. Here are some:

Anonymous said...

Jesus did call people names, but they were usually the religious leaders of the day that opposed him...
And we appreciate your allowing anon posts!I don't like the idea of having to give my email etc..

Anonymous said...

“Now as Jesus passed by, He saw a man who was blind from birth. And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him. John 9:1-3”

“for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23”

“Your hands have made me and fashioned me; Give me understanding, that I may learn Your commandments. Psalms 119:73”
“For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Marvelous are Your works, And that my soul knows very well. My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them. Psalms 139:13-16”

“Before I was afflicted I went astray, But now I keep Your word. Psalms 119:67”
“It is good for me that I have been afflicted, That I may learn Your statutes. Psalms 119:71”
“If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15”
“He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him." John 14:21”
“If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. John 15:10”

“Therefore we do not lose heart. Even though our outward man is perishing, yet the inward man is being renewed day by day. For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, is working for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory, while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal. 2Corinthians 4:16-18”

“And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 2Corinthians 12:9”

“I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world." John 9:4-5”

“Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. John 14:6”

“Since the world began it has been unheard of that anyone opened the eyes of one who was born blind. If this Man were not from God, He could do nothing." They answered and said to him, "You were completely born in sins, and are you teaching us?" And they cast him out. Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, "Do you believe in the Son of God?" He answered and said, "Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?" And Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you." Then he said, "Lord, I believe!" And he worshiped Him. And Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind." Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, "Are we blind also?" Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, 'We see.' Therefore your sin remains. John 9:32-41”


Anonymous said...

God may use pain to keep us in His will. God may use disabilities to show His works. God may use illness to be a witness to an un-believer. Who are we to say what God has planned? For His ways are higher than our ways and His thoughts higher than our thoughts. Where were we when He laid the foundations of the universe?


Anonymous said...

I agree that we are comforted through our sufferings. I have felt an immense peace when in prayer and at other times when I was suffering.
Christ does care about all our trials..

Bible Believer said...

Thanks for those verses Joel, those have given me food for thought and the other things you have written too. I even wrote on my testimony from long ago on here, that I have been very sick, on death's door and that led me to the Lord. I know some of these things we are seeing through the glass darkly. His ways are higher then our ways.

Amen Sue

We all have to be careful to look to scripture when it comes to illness rather then the world who will send the devil's lies about those who suffer physical pain, and illness in this world which in the end comes to every human being as they age and die.

Anonymous said...

Thank-you Joel. I also needed those edifying verses.Thanks for taking the time.
God Bless you - Sue

Anonymous said...

Sin is worse than any illness or disability. Sin destroys the soul. Jesus suffered at the hands of man, but I can not even come close to imagining His suffering in carrying the sins of the whole world to the cross.

What can wash away my sin, nothing but the blood of Jesus. What can make me whole again, nothing but the blood of Jesus.

I do very well when I follow the commandments of Jesus.


Anonymous said...

Very True. Thank-you again Joel.

Jai said...

"P ain't into P-ain

no P-ain't

P is into PainT

Pain Crossing

T being a symbol for crossing as in T junction"


TammyA said...

This comment about the foolish glorification of pain and suffering is spot on. It is sad that this "doctrine" has taken such a hold in the church.

So many of the verses used to support this thinking are pulled out of context. Suffering for Jesus' name...for being a Christian...for standing up for truth...that is what is blessed. However, chronic, debilitating pain, is not glorification of anything. It is the pain and death resulting from a broken world that is fixed only by our Savior.

To suggest that his solution is then to inflict more pain to "purify" us is to ignore the teachings from Galations 3:1-3 Are you so foolish? Having begun [d]by the Spirit, are you now [e]being perfected by the flesh?

God justifies by Christ, which we receive by faith, and we are perfected by the Spirit...not by any work of flesh.

The book of Job is oft quoted as a "suffering" message...but notice no amount of suffering by Job perfected him before God. He was still found wanting and insufficient. (See God's response in passage Job 39).

The point of Job is NOT about being perfected in suffering, or even God being glorified in our suffering (who are we that our suffering would glorify Him?), or even that God is God and Job (ie you) aren't.

The point of Job is found in the pivotal verse 9:33-33 that states "If only there were someone to mediate between us, someone to bring us together, someone to remove God’s rod from me, so that his terror would frighten me no more." Job later states he will have to be his own advocate then and place his defense before God (a mistake as we seen in Job 39).

The point of Job is that even the very best human on earth at the time (see Job 1:8) paled in comparison to God...and needed an advocate. Why? The Accuser was making this point during this trial of humanity. (See Job 1:6-12. Think of Satan as Adversary...think legal adversary...prosecutor...accuser..who accompanied the Angels before the throne to accuse God about his humans on earth and to suggest God should punish them for their falsity.) However, Satan played into God's plan...to put humanity on trial and declare that humans needed an Advocate, because God had an Advocate in mind.

Whom we now have, (but Job longed for and prophesied about in Job 19)...our Savior in Christ, whom came, as listed in Isaiah 61 "to bring good news to the afflicted... to bind up the brokenhearted...to proclaim liberty to captives and freedom to prisoners."

The aforementioned crippled young man who had not sinned, nor had his parents sinned, but was afflicted so that "God could be glorified" was not so that God could inflict pain and then heal it to show his "power." It was making the point that this young man was sick because of no personal sin but from the corporal sin of this broken world, filled with illness, birth defects, and sickness. His healing glorified (attested to truth) of God that God had sent his Son to get to the root and heal this broken and afflicted world.

I am so frustrated at what I call the "Suffering Succotash" crowd who refuse to look at the Healer but instead lift up the "pain and suffering" as some sort of magical tool....it is a new "law" of the flesh. Whenever we take our eyes of of His truth, we raise up our own idol and fail to see God's message.

Fellow chronoic pain sufferer renewed in Hope by Christ