Tuesday, April 14, 2015

Are Dinosaurs a Hoax?

 Anyone ever wonder why dinosaurs are not in the bible? Well some believe the word "leviathan" refers to the dinosaurs. I agree with the videographer about it advancing "dragons".

Dinosaurs structurally never made any sense to me either. I always thought the T-Rex too looked like it would topple over and that the brontosaurus with the huge neck just wouldn't work. Sometimes I feel like dinosaurs are used as an inverse way to promote life on other planets since this one supposedly had life foreign to the present animals and humans of today. One question sticks in my mind, WHY WEREN'T DINOSAURS DISCOVERED UNTIL THE 19TH CENTURY?

 This is a topic I am presently EXPLORING and have not reached conclusions on. I found this discussion over at Clues Forum very interesting. Sadly I lack science background. I witnessed "fossils" first hand being a member of a rock-collecting club for a short period of time but even then those were mostly plant based small ones. It is possible some of the finds are fraudulent and some are not. I always thought these displays at the Creation museum were ridiculous.



Anonymous said...

I don't know how true this might be but my grandfather told me that after the firmament, an icy dome some say surrounded the earth before Noah and the flood was shattered, the atmosphere of the planet was much thicker and allowed creatures to grow much larger then they do now.
He said that the loss of the thicker atmosphere meant that larger sized animals no longer grew to the height they did before the flood. He also said that lizards and other reptiles, though smaller, are actually the same creatures having been raised in a less dense atmosphere.

That's his theory anyway.

Bible Believer said...

I've read about the firmament being thicker and oxygen levels higher so animals could grow big as well. They do claim all these dinosaurs were 100s of millions of years ago. One thing they started a few years ago was saying that modern day birds are dinosaurs, but that seems a major stretch to me. How did they shrink even with supposedly plenty of time.

I saw this Christians Against Dinosaurs group online, but kept wondering why the woman in charge always kept one of her eyes covered with her hair, it sure looked like an uncomfortable hair-do.


Anonymous said...

That's so interesting BB. I never looked at it that way. They do look like they would fall over!
An acquaintance said to me she thought they were just guessing when thay put the bones together. Just guessing they looked that way. I'll have to google that.

Anonymous said...

The unicorn in Job 39 is a Rhinoceros Unicornus - a one horned Rhino. Yes we have been recently deceived into thinking a unicorn is a horse with a horn. Nobody was deceived in the past, just us.

Read Job 41:18-21 very carefully, his neesings are his breathing. The breath of Leviathan is alight, out of his mouth goes fire !!!

Yes fire breathing dragons were real, and likely in the shape of what we now are calling dinosaurs. Read Job 41 very carefully, then read it again and again. Once again we are today being deceived into believing these fierce animals are only fairytale flying mythical creatures, when in fact we walked the earth with them until very recently. So St George of England likely did kill off the last of these creatures in that land. Just as Job and everyone else walked freely amongst them.

There is also the riddle of the firmaments. If the extra large insects of days of old are real, then they can only possibly exist by a heavily moist atmosphere, because they breathe through their skin and as such you can only get to being the size of those creatures if the atmosphere was much denser. Which leads us back to our upper atmosphere likely originally being made of water. And most likely this was so up until the flood.

Fossils develop in a matter of a few years. Do an online search for fossilised cowboy boots and go from there. Then you'll find fossilised US civil war coins, WW2 weapons etc. Millions of years for fossilisation is also all fake.

Remember, they have to keep going into the millions and billions of years for anyone to believe the religion of evolution. Which is created to deceive the masses into the denial of God's existence, thus the devil damns as many to hell as he possibly can... and that's his job, to kill as many of us as possible at the Judgement Throne of Jesus Christ !! And if you do believe in evolution, then you also must believe that we all originally were once rocks that came to life - wow that is an amazing fairytale, and it really does require a strong belief in something that cannon be proven or believed !!

Isn't it absolutely amazing what happens to us when we are awakened by our Creator, our most loving God, the lies simply vanish away :)

Anonymous said...

From dinosaurs never existed, to nukes never existed, and then on to the flat earth.

Sounds crazy? I'm a nut, right?

But that's where it goes, hundreds have gone that route, starting with, dinosaurs never existed, and ended up at the flat earth.

Call me crazy. Go for it.

All of NASA's pictures are cartoons, graphics, and paintings. They're all fakes. Have you ever seen the earth for yourself, apart from the fake moon landings and cartoons from NASA? Nobody has.

And the earth revolving around the sun? No way. Clear contradiction to the Bible. The earth doesn't move, according to the Bible. So the earth is the center of it all.

Call me a nut, anything you like. It's compelling studies, though. And I'm not talking about the so-called "flat earth society". That is controlled opposition.

Check out the videos of a Youtuber called jhenningkellogia, a Bible believer. Just one of many.

Anonymous said...

Boy, intelligentsia, within the church and out in the world, sure does get angry when a born again believer does not subscribe to "their way of believing" with regards to evolution and such.

It is interesting how science has replaced Jesus and His creating/creation.

Anonymous said...

Yeah...... um....... I did have a quick look at that channel right now, and one video about Noah that I watched for about 90 seconds before I turned it off. I then scrolled down his video page... No thank you, not for me, not Christian and not Biblical.

Its going to extremes. When some people discover some lies they're being told and then the great deceiver creates a movement out of the truth that has been found - and then adds garbage into the mix - all just serves to once again deceive and label those people who have found some truth - as 'nutters'. No thank you.

I cannot believe the amount of shills there are - and I am not saying the previous commenter is a shill.

Also think about this, and I'm not saying its right - just my own thoughts... with the upper atmosphere or firmament being water and with far greater humidity across the planet, and with so very few humans, think about the jungles across the earth, no deserts, and what would have been needed to keep this phenomenal plant growth under control, other than very large animals, such as those mentioned in Job, and in legend.

The dinosaurs from hundreds of millions of years ago are a deception to feed the evolution beast. But there were definitely some very large animals in times past. None of which we will ever find out the truth about in this age.

Also think about just after the flood, when all civilisation emerged from what we now call the middle east. Even Canaanland at the time of the Exodus was a land of milk and honey. This is also the birthplace of Bablylon, Persia, Assyria and so many other great nations. Yet today, these lands are all waste, all desert, they cannot even grow a snowpea, let alone create and support civilisation after civilisation. The cedars of Lebanon are no more. Yet even after the flood, these places were rich and lush and green and fertile.

We may never know the truth until Jesus Christ brings forth His Day and the world as we know it draws to a close, but we can use the gift of the Holy Spirit which awakens us, keeps us from deception, and gives us clear reasoning if and when we so ask in sincere prayer.

Bible Believer said...

The dinosaurs do not look intelligently designed to me, so yes they look like they would fall over. They present these chaotic creatures who are a mess to convince us of evolution. As if the creation of humans and animals is a spin of the roulette wheel instead of a Creator managing it all.

I know some of it could be guessing.

I saw this on the clues forum discussion:

"It almost looks as though, in some instances, some real creatures of various sizes have been comically stitched together as a single creature, forming an improbably long neck or tail by arranging diminishing instances of related bones. This is a postulation on my part in cases of things like Brontosaurus (now declared a fraud), but even the T-Rex does somewhat resemble a rearranged and modified elephant skeleton.

Or else, if they genuinely are a sculptural phenomenon to begin with, the 'saurs could simply be concocted on paper, then chiseled out, just as a sculpture is. After all, we had the masterful works of classicists, Donatello, Michelangelo and a host of grottos long before any "dinosaurs" were uncovered. It must feel rather God-like to make something out of the Earth and claim you just discovered it after it lay there for millions upon millions of years."

Bible Believer said...

I agree about the unicorn being a rhinoceros, the unbelievers mistranslate that one to claim the bible is a myth.

I do believe mammoths are real and the earth could have had creatures, that died off, this could have included lizard creatures, relatives of monitor lizards?

I agree about Evolution, the firmaments and fossils. Yes God does wake us up to many lies they sell to the masses. I praise God for that too.

Bible Believer said...

I won't call you a nut. With flat earth, I don't agree with that one[for now]but obviously one wants to study and find out the truth.

I think most of NASA's pictures are bunk too. Years ago I found out most of the star pictures were colorized. The giant nebula really wasn't red like they colored it. It was "too far" away to be seen by a human eye. Check out this thread especially for phony picture time.

I looked myself at pictures they had of Mars in magazines, they looked fake to me. I am not a scientist but I kept thinking lights and shadows would operate different on another planet. The lack of oxygen and different atmosphere would change how things "looked". In an atmosphere not made of oxygen why would things look like they came from a movie set?

Then you see some things in the mainstream news that make no sense.

One "glinty" rock while all the others didn't reflect back any light?


Bible Believer said...

A lot of science isn't really science. Science is observable. They are selling us a lot of things most people can't observe and false theories.

Bible Believer said...

I think Christians Against Dinosaurs are shills. The hair over the one eye in every video is OBVIOUS. I saw some of the videos and they probably choose the girl to represent this stance on purpose to discredit anyone who may ask questions about dinosaurs. yes they are always busy labeling those who ask questions as nutters. One reason Alex Jones is always bellowing his head off and going crazy, was for example to label all people questioning 9-11 and other matters as "crazy". The shills outnumber the honest probably by 99 to 1.

I agree with you about their being larger animals. There definitely was changes too in areas like the Middle East becoming a desert waste-land.

Anonymous said...

Hi BB - my daughter loves dinosaurs - drawing them and watching shows about them. But I thought the same thing - they do not look intelligently designed! Looking at God's creation - all the animals and how they have special abilities to survive - the dinosaur seems so crude in comparison - it does not seem like it could have been made by the same creator! It doesn't make sense to me.

Anonymous said...

Bible Believer wrote: "I won't call you a nut. With flat earth, I don't agree with that one[for now]but obviously one wants to study and find out the truth. I think most of NASA's pictures are bunk too. Years ago I found out most of the star pictures were colorized. The giant nebula really wasn't red like they colored it. It was "too far" away to be seen by a human eye."

Thank you for not calling me a nut. :) The Bible makes it so clear that the earth is not moving. And also that Joshua stopped the sun with prayer. If that's a figure of speech, Joshua didn't know it. The earth being motionless and being the center of creation, was accepted by all until the jesuit/catholic "mathematicians" (read: magicians) of the middle ages.

Satan lies about everything. So why not the earth and the heavens and creation itself? Satan tells us that we "evolved" from ooze on a rock. And the ooze and the rock came from nothing. So why not lie about the earth?

And progressing to a flat earth, not a hard stretch. You can watch amateur balloon/camera guys get up to 110,000 feet, with no curve whatsoever. You have fish-eye lens cameras that so extremely create artificial curve, that you would think an entire city takes up 1/3 of the earth's surface.

Anyway, questioning everything is the right position, in my opinion. You get a globe on the teacher's desk starting in kindergarten, and you don't question it.

Just like with "dinosaurs". You get books read to you in first grade about them, and cartoons about them, and movies about them. So you accept them as fact, without even thinking about it. That's the world.

Anonymous said...

Things do not have to make sense to be true. A lot of the Bible doesn't make sense to me, and I will have questions until I get to heaven. It is an act of faith. We can analyze something with our mortal eyes and think what we think, but God knows far more than we do. I do take the verses in the Bible that seem to describe dinosaurs and dragons at face value. Turning 5 loaves and 2 fishes into more than enough to feed thousands doesn't make sense either, but I still believe it.

Anonymous said...

Job 40:15–24 may describe a dinosaur. Not to mention accounts in the past of people possibly seeing dinosaurs and even drawn pictures of dinosaurs.

Bible Believer said...

I am thankful for the discussion here. Remember on this one I am in questioning mode. I want to find out what's what. I think it is okay to reason together with the Lord. Yes we must let faith lead but I do not see true science as an enemy of faith. God made this world.

I believe there could definitely be lies about the earth. I dont go with flat earth because of seeing a curve of earth in flying there are pictures available even by regular people...

I agree with you about there being lies about the earth though. We know there are tons of lies already exposed. Even something like fracking doesn't cause earthquakes.

Can you show me some of the balloon guy links...

Bible Believer said...

Job 40:15-24King James Version (KJV)

15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.

20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.

21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.

22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.

23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.

24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

Would a dinosaur fit under a leafy tree? Some of them seemed like they were bigger then the trees

Bible Believer said...

Interesting discussion here:


Anonymous said...

Any "curvature" of the earth that you see from a plane, is due to the windows creating a distortion. Like a fish-eye lens creates distortion.

A true view of the earth, will always show it flat, even to 110,000 feet:


Notice how the camera can make it look convex or concave, depending on the movement of the balloon. But once the balloon is settled, it's flat (see starting at minute 5:22).