Thursday, December 4, 2014

Why Does That Look Like A Crystal Ball in His Hands?




I noticed the few occult symbols in this poster but didn't have a chance to post on it yet. I found someone else who exposed these things. The crystal ball nativity scene which breaks the second commandment is bad enough. The golden pentagram inverted star is bad too. The blogger points out the Disney like phallic symbol under the cross. This Saving Christmas poster is full of occult symbols!

"Rebel Within A Claus"

                   
                                               An obvious Pentagram, who do they think they are fooling?

The poster [see bigger version here] also has the red and white hat and presents, representing the Amanita Muscaria mushroom, yes the same one the Catholic clergy dress themselves after, and the three leaf mistletoe which was believed to have mystical qualities. There's 6 100 dollar bills and I believe the 7th is a 20. Not sure if that means anything? The closest they could get to 666? Notice how WIDE his mouth is too? Do you remember what I was written about Joyce Meyers and her joker mouth put on by plastic surgery? The pine cone is another symbol too.

Franklin Graham must be wanting to help Kirk Cameron market his movie:

The War on Christmas in America is a War on Christ

Kirk Cameron's latest now is to tell us to love Santa Claus {Satan Claws} "Do You Love Santa Claus?" Can you count the hand signs in this video? Even the commenters noticed, it is so obvious.
His eyes here too worry me. I find myself wondering if he is "controlled" if you get my drift.



The other day, I faced some persecution telling a friend that I did not celebrate Christmas.  Her history is that she tells me she was born again but has recently left a false church. I pray that God leads her into the truth. She got very angry and told me I was a "joyless" Christian for refusing to celebrate Christmas or Halloween.  I was tempted to tell her scripture says that Christians are to be sober-minded people but instead I gave her links and tried to give her what truth I could. This can be a severe minority position to be in when you tell people, "I do not celebrate Christmas". At least online there seem to be more Christians waking up about the falseness of this holiday. We must obey God in refusing false paganism and traditions.

Kirk Cameron Praises Halloween and Christmas

Post script: Some other symbols blown up to higher zoom?

This reminds me of the green man faces I saw in paganism. This may seem far fetched too and I didn't circle it but the lower point looks like some Vatican keys with the Pontiff hat.



What's that in the tree? An owl?


Weird symbol on money?





Doesn't everyone have the Star of David on the bottom of their shoes? Is that some hidden message of anti-semitism too for stepping on it? Remember when he brought up Chinese food during his Christmas speech as one commenter pointed out? A commenter Aka Alert pointed out many of these as well as one other poster.



45 comments:

Anonymous said...

Please keep in mind, that anyone coming from the establishment, is controlled. Completely controlled.

Kirk Cameron is establishment. He was a TV and movie star in Hollywood. Hollywood, where you don't get to square one without going with the agenda.

And from Hollywood, they enter politics, or "religion", or whatever field they can use to deceive the masses into catholicism, and from catholicism into the world religion of the antichrist.

Kirk Cameron teaches the false gospel of "lordship salvation" along with his buddy Ray Comfort, who thinks the false teacher Joyce Meyer is wonderful.

Bible Believer said...

I agree with you. Everything in the establishment is tainted. They are famous for a reason and they put them into position to deceive. I think about how Cameron is close with the Duggars. The Duggars are establishment as well--at least the parents. Yes they teach a false gospel of works.

Anonymous said...

I watched a video of him delivering a speech at Liberty University to introduce this film. The speech was long and delivered flawlessly. Including long portions of it that were memorized. Except whenever he had to summarize or paraphrase scripture. Then he hunched over his notes, stuttered and stammered, made mistakes, and could hardly get through it. Amazing. Makes me think he has demons.

Anonymous said...

Thank-you Bible Believer for posting this information. The poster reminds me of darkness. The first thing that caught my eyes, were the eyes of Mr. Cameron. They look greedy and wicked in this particular visual and remind me of the eyes of the last catholic pope, his eyes definitely were evil.

What I can't figure out here with the hard promotion of Christmas, is that the majority of what people call Christians, celebrate this holiday with everything that Kirk promotes. So what he is really trying to do is make those who KNOW the truth, feel guilty and look like oddballs for not joining in the fun and merriment of this pagan tradition of man.

Kirk is a puppet on someone's string, willfully being used to lead people away from the true Jesus and God's Word. We know that it is unwise to replace
God's Word with a movie.

"Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked." Psalm 1:1

faith_guy said...

Kirk Cameron is likely MK-Ultra Mind Controlled(like any other showbiz person).

With that being said - here's the worst part - he's not even mentioning the name of Jesus Christ. Yes, I understand that xmas is a blasphemous "holiday", but nonetheless look how much Kirk himself is just blaspheming.

1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

BTW - it seems like Apostate Christianity has become an Amway money-making scam nowdays. If you use this label while trying to either sell yourself or your product, sadly you end up scamming a pretty penny.(ie-every now and then when I drive on highways, I see signs on restaurants that say "Praise the Lord Jesus Christ". Honestly, I think these restaurants want to attract more customers)

faith_guy said...

Anom,

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

No, I'm NOT saying that born-again believers are required to be poor(and live in some housing slum).

But pt being that for the most part, these people who get rich and famous end up doing so b/c they sold themselves out to Satan. Yesterday, I saw a testimony on Youtube of a former witch - he documented how they had to do just that if they wanted all the riches, fame, women, etc in this world(even though it would cost them their lives in the long run).

Yes, make no mistake - Jesus Christ has severe warnings about the earthly rich people in this world - these very "celebrities", especially those that profess to be Christian, are very dangerous.

Which is why it vexes me when I hear professing Christians say how people like Rick Warren are blessed b/c their "ministries" are loaded with money.

James 2:6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
Jas 2:7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

Anonymous said...

He also had a short video called "Meet the Real Santa Clause" it is rather dark. I also recently ran across Glenn Beck's latest shenanigans and his project called American Dream Labs which he announced aspires to become like Disney and they are going to be making religious films. You can find a video where they are talking about a project called "The Revolutionary" I believe this may be a film about "Christ" he also is working on a project called "Immortal" about Santa or Nicolas, the trailer is dark as well. You can find both of these on YouTube on his American Dream Labs channel.

Bible Believer said...

I posted that video and noticed that when he had to read scripture too, he tripped over himself and found it difficult. Yes that could be a sign of the demons. As I wrote there, his eyes are frightening to me. You can see the spiritual aspect, and they look "DARK"

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2014/11/kirk-cameron-praises-halloween-and.html

One thing I wrote about years ago on this blog is how they refer to CHRIST, but never the whole phrase JESUS CHRIST.

I see that with Cameroon too. I think he is definitely using this movie to label the real deal Christians who have listened to the Holy Spirit about Christmas as oddball freaks who should be ignored and disdained. His chances for being a mind control victim [MK ultra] are very high, especially if you know the stories of what has happened to some of his compatriots like Corey Heims who seemed to be an obvious MK ultra victim. Corey Feldman too. Yes Cameron is a puppet on the string. Notice how they all say approved things.


http://www.today.com/video/today/35888659

Apostate Christianity is a big money-making scam to them. They know its a "demographic" to sell to.
I tend to this the restaurants are using faith messages to lure in customers too. Will they hand out tracts at the table? You know what I mean.

I agree it is selling out that brings riches and fame. Yes there are godly rich people but this is how it often works. I even find myself wondering if some who sell out, know that it will cost them their very life, to have the fame, since we seem to see so many EARLY EARLY celebrity deaths. Notice how they die so much younger then any other group? Looks like being a celebrity is more lethal then some diseases or chronic conditions.

I think the deceiving wolves who claim to be Christians are dangerous too. Many confuse the blessings of this world with the blessing of God. Some worship worldly success and the "best life now" garbage also enters into this. I think about the Christians who have called me joyless for refusing Christmas.

Even Cameron's focus on the FUN of Christmas is diversion from God's Word:

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
James 2:6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
Jas 2:7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

Bible Believer said...

I believe the whole American dream meme has been a psy-op of sorts to lure people asleep. The population is snoozing away and fast asleep.

Glenn Beck is definitely a deceiver. I used to write about him a lot if you are newer to this blog. Not surprised he is using more false themes. I'll check those videos out, thanks.

Aka Alert said...

This poster is full of preposterous garbage. It’s so childish in an evil gleeful way. ALL of the “stars” are inverted. I don’t know what else everyone else seeing, but I see that KC is about to plant his big foot over someone’s face….with a shoe that has a sole full of hexagrams. Hexed Sole…soul…I get it. They also managed to give him some horns, and crown him with another inverted pentagram. The gold star has a creepy ghoul face peering out of the top of it. There is a tiny grey owl at the bottom of the tree (above the big red package).

And one more thing…the nativity. As KC says in the video: the “NAY-tivity”. NAY. I get it. There is something weird about it that is hard to describe. I see what is supposed to be Mary, Joseph and infant Jesus, and a little horse? But other than that, what are those other things in that globe? Hard to tell, but it’s not right. A giant scaly snake is about to swallow them up? Some kind of a white specter with curling horns is looming over them? What are those other creatures to the right? I don’t see faces. Yucky, evil.

This is the same thing as what I saw on Michael W. Smith’s “Christmas” DVD. Extraordinarily creepy NAY-tivity. A dead baby in a manager with a goat looking over it. “Mary” in black & red with her back to the baby in the manager while she holds another. I wonder who that is? “Wise men” with phallic hats. The back artwork is just as creepy with an evil slit eye, claws and corn. Bizarre. Antichrist.

Anonymous said...

The title of the film is "Saving Christmas: Putting Christ back into Christmas" but even in the poster the tree, decorations, gifts, Kirk and even the world are eye catching and the Cross is barely noticeable.

Christ was never in Christmas to begin with. Christmas gives Christians another excuse to be worldly and materialist under the guise of celebrating Christ birth and that is why they love it.

jl said...

Dear Anons and BB,

You are right, his eyes are dark...he his turning into the seed that was choked by the thorns.

I am praying for him.

Love,

jl, humble slave of EL ELYON

Anonymous said...

Thanks to all for posting the information about the occultic symbols in this poster. It is riddled with poison.

I was shocked to discover an article over at "Sola Sisters", another "discernment" blog, in which the author defended Christ's mass. And maybe someone here can help me out as I may be missing something.

To this day, I cannot find in my Scriptures where "christmas" is celebrated as a special day, by believers and followers of Jesus, or beyond the Gospels, where the early church honored such a day.
I also cannot find where God commands us to pay homage to "Jesus's birthday", let alone share with us the exact "date" that Jesus was born.

And why do the religious folks go to such lengths to "defend" the holiday, festival, special days (whatever you choose to call it)? Is it really because we love Jesus and desire to please God, or is this whole christmas thing really about the self?

And concerning Jesus' Second Coming...will He come as a baby to conjure up feelings of helplessness and sentimentality as babies often do, or will it be and event entirely different than what we see pictured on the front of christmas cards?

And this my friends is the "spirit" of christmas....personal story here involving busybody and medaling church women....(when will the insanity stop!)....I received another "christmas card" from a woman in my husband's church (I have not set foot in that building since someone there violently ripped my name off of the church mailbox, and my name was taken off of their public birthdate list as well as removing our anniversary date from their public listings....but they continue this practice with adulterers, fornicators, rapists, divorcees, abusers and the like that attend their church services on a regular basis.....guess I need to be practicing these things in order to make "their lists.}

....who addressed the card "_________ and Family" (insert my name in the blank space.) She also wrote inside the card "Merry christmas _________ and family. I have been thinking about you! So the next best thing-I want to wish you and your family a very merry christmas with a kiss of God's wonderful blessings! Sending you a warm hug." Signed her name _________and Family

continued....

Anonymous said...

Please bear with me;

The world is getting stranger and stranger by the minute and now we have "the churched" (this woman was one of the "founders" of this particular charismatic/Pentecostal Baptist church system) sending greeting cards with strange words to me, who has not attended her church for several years now, but my husband still goes and gives money there regularly. She addresses me, but not my husband, nor our children.....

So why would she not include my husband's name on the envelope nor in the "message" she wrote inside the card....is this really a reflection of what Jesus would do, or was "another familiar" spirit behind this whole "christmas greeting fa├žade?"

Is christmas really pro marriage and pro family, or is it used as an excuse to weasel its way into homes trying to destroy marriages and relationships, especially when these types of personalities (the meddling church women of America, the MCWA's) do not have their own homes in godly order?

There is indeed a "christmas spirit" out there roaming this land in the name of churchianity, but it bears no witness to Jesus Christ whatsoever. The personal agenda of this particular "greeting card" was strange and foreign to me, perhaps that of a familiar spirit. The most profounding aspect of this whole charade it this.....

The precious NAME of JESUS is no where to be found on this card, not from the card company nor the penned handwriting of this busy individual. Was this greeting really about Jesus, the Glory of our Incarnate LORD and Savior?

So exactly who is christmas really about then? A clue: It is not about Jesus.

LORD, have mercy upon us.

Anonymous said...

Is Jesus really worried about saving Christmas.....or is man worried about his pocketbooks....

Or are churches worried about noses and nickels....christmas and easter are their biggest money makers out of the year?

Or is the spirit of christmas really about a god of this world?

Where does the money trail go.....

Victoria Di Agnello said...

Yes, I totally agree with faith guy 3 and others. Riches is a sign not of God's approval, but satan's. The bible clearly portrays that. Sure, there are blessings too, but not of that type. They are satan's puppets and mouthpieces, so he richly rewards them. So it is with all the wolves...
As for Christmas, I ONLY celebrate the birth of Jesus, and that is never wrong. I don't do any of the other stuff. Of course we don't know the date and I think it was in the Fall, but whatever, it is a good time to spread the gospel message as I've noticed people are more open to it then as at other times.

I totally agree that KC is one of their plants and all of that and I don't do these things either. As for nativity scenes, it is interesting that all of these types are being irreverent regarding it. You know how all the atheists and other God haters go around harrassing any mention of Jesus and his birth, nativity scenes included? Well with me they don't win that war. I proclaim His birth and the gospel all over the place with or without anyone's approval.

Another thing that is interesting is the fact that Santa Clause promotes the word of faith heresy. 1. He has nothing to do with Christ's birth. 2. If you are good, you get goodies, if you are bad, you don't. Isn't that the same thing as the heretical word of faith wolves are saying? It sets kids up for that mindset. If you google these things and research, you find all sorts of interesting tidbits.
3. Another interesting observation that I have been making this year is wherever they have a Santa at a display or in a costume, etc., the chair he sits in is starting to look more and more like a throne. Hmmm....

Welp, those are all my musings for now...

texaswildflower said...

Aka Alert: great observations. How were you able to get the poster enlarged enough to see those details? I tried here and in Google images, and couldn't get it large enough. I know this may sound like a silly question; chalk it up to my technological ineptitude. :-P

Also, which Michael W. Smith DVD are you describing? I googled "Michael W. Smith Christmas DVD" because I wanted to see the "NAY-tivity" scene you described, but couldn't find anything that matched your description. I'm not questioning what you said, just trying to find it and check it out for myself.

texaswildflower said...

And yes, agree with the comments that Kirk is mind controlled in some way, to some degree. His eyes in that video are something else! He looks high, almost.
Someone on another blog pointed out that in the trailer, just before he starts explaining the "real meaning" of xmas to his befuddled friend, Kirk puts his finger next to his nose as if in a surreptitious signal that what he is about to say it not to be taken seriously. I had not heard of this hand sign before, but it makes sense. This blogger suggested that Kirk is actually on "our" side while pretending to work for the establishment -- in other words, signaling that he knows the truth and is purveying the false message about xmas in order to show up the shoddy "facts" that are used to christianize it. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

Anonymous said...

His eyes definitely look weird.

That poster is creepy. Again, what a weird look on his face.

The Michael W Smith Christmas album cover (1989) does look creepy. Mary is all in black and holding what looks like a baby, with a baby behind her. The artwork in the bottom right quarter looks weird. Made me think of a graveyard or something.

Yes, the days are getting strange.

Anyone famous I do not trust, especially a 'religious' famous person. I think they want to make us look like 'weirdos' and 'oddballs', and the false Christians are too easy to get on board with that. It seems they love the world so much that they cannot see evil right in front of their faces.

beb

Anonymous said...

Thanks Aka Alert, yes the shoe has hexagrams in it. Creepy! That definitely was done on purpose! I couldn't find the owl but maybe you had a bigger picture or screen to blow it up on. I wondered what was in that nativity scene as well.
Michael W. Smith puts tons of occult symbols on this albums still remember the ones with runes.

http://fanaticforjesus.blogspot.com/2010/03/is-michael-w-smith-freemason.html

Bible Believer said...

the above comment was mine...wasn't signed in. LOL

Bible Believer said...

Yes with the cross notice it is leaning too? It's way in the background. Christ was never in Christmas I agree, it is another worldly and materialist holiday.

Thanks JL I am glad you can discern how dark his eyes are too. It is frightening. He looks very messed up.

Be careful of Sola Sisters, I've warned about that blog before. While they expose some things they are in error about many others.

I had my run-ins with them years ago.
http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2012/02/when-you-are-told-to-ignore-what-is.html

This was the article I was posting about


http://www.solasisters.com/2012/02/demystifying-symbols.html

Bible Believer said...

Christmas is an evil and pagan holiday nothing to do with Jesus. it is about self. Churches even in the USA did not celebrate Christmas until the 19th century. Most Protestants even outside the liturgicals rejected it. That is odd that lady sent you a card so many years later. I would throw it away. Yes the religious folks will go to any length to praise this holiday!

Bible Believer said...

I've heard of that finger by the nose hand sign before. Can't remember the name but have read about it before. Yes he was signaling, maybe to let the ones in the know, know that he was not telling the truth and was out to fool the rubes. They do the shushing one with the finger up to their lips all the time but that is another one. Sorry but that blogger has to be controlled opp or something muddying the waters. That's the most double-messaged nonsense I've ever heard. I think his chances of being an MK ultra are definitely high.

Oh one warning to my readers be careful of going to Vigilante Citizen if you want to read about symbols there. I don't endorse that place, but when I did use to go there, I got a couple Trojans on my computer. Try to read some of those controversial websites always in cache.

Anonymous said...

The latest post from the "sola sisters" is the typical defense of Christmas piece. They are calvinistic worldly nonsense. I stopped reading there long ago when I found out that they are disciples of John Calvin.

Aka Alert said...

BB,texaswildflower and beb,
To study the poster in detail...first open up BB's link to the big picture. Then, if you have Windows, go to the top bar and click on the Tools icon, Zoom, choose 400%, or Custom for 500% etc.

The grey owl is very tiny, inside a dark split in the branches at the upper left corner of the red package at bottom of tree.

And beb you are correct, that's the MWS CD I was referring to: "Christmas" (1989). In order to see the horrid details, it's better to have the actual CD in your hands, and also to use a magnifying glass. When I did that, I must admit I was absolutely shocked at the gall of those that produced the CD. Since the artwork is reduced down to fit on a CD, a lot of details are too small for the normal eye to catch unless you are deliberately analyzing it. And Christians are typically an unsuspecting bunch of sheep, which is what they are counting on. But that CD cover is full of the most creepy evil stuff you can imagine.

Aka Alert said...

AND, related to the topic….not just movies…but TV is in on the act.

The Hallmark Channel brings us the “Countdown to Christmas” Event: 24 hours per day, 7 days per week for two whole months of special made-for-TV “Christmas” movies. Here are some of the offerings:

Christmas Magic
Moonlight & Mistletoe
The Good Witch's Gift

!!!!! I’m not making this stuff up!!!!!
Go to the link and click on schedule to read the listings):
http://www.hallmarkchannel.com/christmas

texaswildflower said...

BB: thanks for the warnings.

Anonymous said...

Dear Bible Believer,
Thank-you for all of the information you presented here. Yes, I did review what sola sisters presented and was quite astonished considering the fact that they claim to have come out of the "new age" which is ripe with symbolism in and of itself. New agers thrive on symbols, their meanings, and as we all know, their so called "esoteric" knowledge. I was quite surprise with their "new views" of their old ways.

I did not know they were disciples of John Calvin and find that deeply disturbing. So many follow his ways and through my research, he was more of a cultic type of individual, in my opinion. Anyone who has so much authority as too put another human being to death without due process is a cult leader in my opinion; reminds me of Jim Jones.

And also, thank-you for the wise counsel concerning this strange woman's "christmas greeting card." I have found within the organized 501c. 3 business church system is a house full of women who go about medaling in others affairs (sinning against whom they seek to destroy, whether it's marriages, families-turning children against the parents or vice versa), and relationships/friendships.

The Bible warns us about such women wandering to and fro with nothing better to do in this life. And when one looks at the fruits of their own dysfunctional families, how in the world do they have the times to even consider medaling in the affairs of others?

So much of what I have seen and experienced within the "church" system is fake; fake love for Jesus, fake love for each other, and compassion and empathy only for the pastor and leadership system, of which the rest of us are required to worship and adore.

I have a question here, "What exactly is "lordship salvation" and how do you define it? I have seen the movie 180.com by Ray Comfort and does he present this type of belief system in it?

Thanks for listening...I respect the fact that you address many of our cares and concerns here.

God Bless you and your family always, dear Bible Believer. You ARE loved by the King, Jesus.


texaswildflower said...

Aka Alert: thanks.
BB, regarding the other blogger, I hesitate to peg him as controlled opp b/c he is outspoken against the RC church. He actually produced a "rebuttal" video to Saving Christmas a month or two ago. But then, maybe that was a deliberate lead-in so he could speak in support of Kirk? Who knows.

KJVMom said...

It has been a while since I commented; was unable to get your website for a bit! but with an iPad the problem is resolved. BB, how does your husband handle your not doing Christmas? I have considerably scaled back on Christmas but feel that totally dumping it would hurt my testimony with my unbelieving husband; he is not impressed with his JW sister' stand. Just want to know, and thanks for all your work. Love your website, even if my grown Christian children don't agree with what I learn here.g

Bible Believer said...

I read Sola Sisters for a short time, only very little but the symbols article ended that for me. Be careful of the Wartburg Watch world and other blogs along that line. I have seen people on elsewhere warning of the NWO, and endless false religions and they always end up being a false religion especially Calvinism.

Bible Believer said...

Remember a lot of the controlled opps DO expose Rome. You have to watch out for that puzzle piece they get totally wrong. It sometimes can be a hard line figuring out who is sincere but just ignorant or deceived honestly about a topic or who is delivering a drop of poison in the soup on purpose.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks for your kind words anon. I am sorry about those weird Christmas cards. Remember now too as the world grows more cold, many turn to evil and become narcissistic, and one thing that runs their lives is wanting control and manipulation of other people. This is why they spend hours meddling. I had wicked people I had to depart from and they would even stay friends with relatives exes from 15 years ago, just to meddle, and control. I was fortunate to have see better churches but I've seen the bad stuff too. Lordship salvation, salvation via works. Sometimes they preached you have to REPENT to be born again, I know this can be a small technicality, because repentance comes with being born again, [well after it] but of course I believe salvation is by faith and nothing by any works. These types will preach you have to do works to be saved. Even those preachers preaching that a man has to import his family to Somalia and be "radical" is preaching a form of it.

Bible Believer said...

Aka Alert I have noticed the mixture of Christmas and magic. Hey they don't have to pretend it's Christian anymore. Maybe one day they will have a movie about a Christian witch but what you have listed is pretty close. I want to shudder thinking of those who put ELF on the shelf all over the place for their kids and supposedly they are watching them for "santa".

Bible Believer said...

KJV, My husband doesn't like that I don't celebrate Christmas. There is one circumstance that makes it easier to ignore the holiday with us being lower income, we didn't have much money to spend on presents, and decorations or travel. He doesn't force Christmas on me which is good. For now, he just kind of smiles and shakes his head. As long as I cook him a decent meal which I do on other days, he isn't too troubled by the whole affair. I know sometimes he may feel weird, that unlike others I do not have where we live decked out in lights or a Christmas tree. I hope and pray that your husband is born again and sorry your children disagree so much. I am curious what do they disagree with, do they support some of the pastors I warn of? I have some friends who are not happy with my rejection of Christmas, and this includes some Christians. Many tell me that I am being too legalistic. There was the one friend who said I was joyless. I said Hey it's okay to buy someone a present if you want on a different day. :) With this Christmas thing, I really am a loner....I know it is not easy.

Anonymous said...

To KJV mom,

The holiday issue is one I struggle with as well. I don't know if I'm right on this or not, but there is a lot of wisdom and discretion needed in my situation, as is probably true with all who are unequally yoked. Sometimes I can really feel the spiritual battle in our household. I get to homeschool our children and I faithfully teach them the word. But my life, our life, already seems so foreign and counterculture and radical to my husband that I need to wisely choose my battles and topics for discussion. I have very minimal decoration, which we put out about two weeks before Christmas and remove the day after. I keep all gifts hidden to minimize the covetous aspect of the holiday, and I give necessities I would buy anyway, plus one good gift the kids can play with together (this year it is tinker toys). I just really de-emphasize the holidays, and not just Christmas.

I hope that helps. For me, there are things that I need to make a stand with my husband, but this is not one, at least not this year. For now I am fine with just very minimal acknowledgement of the holiday.

Joy

Anonymous said...

Continued from above...

So, at least for this year, I'm fine with just having the discussions about how can we make Christmas not be about coveting, but not talking about pagan origins, etcetera.

The much bigger issue for me right now is the strife that is created when I don't want to watch movies with him, because they have occult themes or other garbage I don't want to see, but it is taken very badly, as I don't want to spend time relaxing with him. That, and some very different ideas on how to raise children. But I need to love him, pray for him, stay soft, not harden my heart, and abide in Jesus and trust that day by day, hour by hour, while abiding, I will be given the wisdom and strength I need for that moment.

Joy

KJV mom said...

BB, my husband puts up a tree, but one cannot see it from the road, and we have no outdoor lights or candles in the windows. he does enjoy the good food and the gifting. I enjoy the music more than anything, but of course none of the garbage about SC. Trees, etc. My son uses the ESV and has listened some to Steve Furtick, and yes, both grown children listen to a few of these preachers and follow some of the Christian celebrities, such as Duck Dynasty. IThey are not helping with my youngest as regards influence. I get on the iPad when they are not around to avoid comments. I do need much prayer. I will pray for you, too.May

jl said...

Dear Ladies,

I would to address something about unsaved husbands, and I pray this will be a word of encouragement to you all.

There are 5 bible verses that come to mind.

1. Matt 19:29
My thoughts: If hubby is persecuting you, its time to leave him. Why reject Christ just to keep hubby?

2. 1Cor 7:13 & 7:16
My thoughts: If hubby is not persecuting you, do not divorce him. God used you as His ultimate witnessing vessel to him. Divorce may cause him to never come to Christ.

3. Rom 12:18
My thoughts: do not provoke arguments.

4. 1Pet 3:1
My thoughts: This is the only exception in the bible in regards to witnessing. Hubbies should not be preached to. They should be shown the love of Christ through your actions.

5. Mat 13:29
My thoughts: Be careful about assuming your hubby is a tare. He may really be a wheat, and the wrong actions could uproot him before he matures.

Love,

jl, humble slave of EL ELYON

KJV mom said...

thanks for the encouragement, as there is a real spiritual battle going on in my house. I feel almost as much resistance on many issues with my Christian children as with my husband, who is a good provider and let's me donate for the Lord's work. my children are in full swing for Christmas, despite being taught otherwise. I am praying for them all every day.

Anonymous said...

What does this tell you about Christians and christmas?

The largest threat in the form of soft persecution, for now anyway, for not celebrating, honoring, nor paying homage in any way, shape or form to christmas, will come from the 501c. 3 institutional church system here in the west. It will not come from the atheists, hedonists, nor any other "ist." Only organized Christianity.

Is this because Jesus, the Christ, is truly at the "center" of this celebrated, organized, and orchestrated holiday? Really?

Watch and listen, my friends, and you here at G4 have already seen and experienced what you already know deep down in your hearts. You have probably already asked yourselves these questions, some, perhaps a thousand over.

"Why do our children get so excited over christmas, yet when you read and teach from the Bible, they seem bored and distracted?"

"Why does the church get all excited with their decorations, food, and organized celebrations, yet when you speak of Jesus and the wonders of His Glory in every day conversation apart from the preacher or priest speaking His Name from the Nicolaitan elevated pulpit system, the average church goer looks at you like you're some sort of "kook" or "religious fanatic?"

"Why is it that when you bring a dish to pass, or goodies to the church "celebrations" that none of the church ladies say "thank-you" or "I appreciate you helping here" or better yet....all Glory, Praise and Honor to Jesus Christ, our Risen LORD and Savior?"

Just a few questions amongst the myriads....christmas is really about the human flesh and tickling its worldly appetites...and we are blaspheming the Name of the Only One Who Saves, Jesus, in doing so.

May God have mercy upon all of us, this I truly, humbly pray.

Bible Believer said...

What does this tell you about Christians and christmas?

The largest threat in the form of soft persecution, for now anyway, for not celebrating, honoring, nor paying homage in any way, shape or form to christmas, will come from the 501c. 3 institutional church system here in the west. It will not come from the atheists, hedonists, nor any other "ist." Only organized Christianity.

Is this because Jesus, the Christ, is truly at the "center" of this celebrated, organized, and orchestrated holiday? Really?

Watch and listen, my friends, and you here at G4 have already seen and experienced what you already know deep down in your hearts. You have probably already asked yourselves these questions, some, perhaps a thousand over.

"Why do our children get so excited over christmas, yet when you read and teach from the Bible, they seem bored and distracted?"

"Why does the church get all excited with their decorations, food, and organized celebrations, yet when you speak of Jesus and the wonders of His Glory in every day conversation apart from the preacher or priest speaking His Name from the Nicolaitan elevated pulpit system, the average church goer looks at you like you're some sort of "kook" or "religious fanatic?"

"Why is it that when you bring a dish to pass, or goodies to the church "celebrations" that none of the church ladies say "thank-you" or "I appreciate you helping here" or better yet....all Glory, Praise and Honor to Jesus Christ, our Risen LORD and Savior?"
I will pray for you Joy and May, thanks JL for your verses about unsaved spouses. Mine desires to be with me and does not stand in the way of my faith ventures. He reads this blog too. I pray all our spouses come to salvation. I know it has to be hard on you where the spouse keeps celebrating Christmas. I deal with some of the worldly entertainment where husband will watch bands on TV, he had some wicked movie on last night and I walked in room and said, "Look at all those masonic and Satanic symbols they have on the background". I guess in my case
he doesn't get upset at least. I have this odd thing going, maybe blessing from God, where he supports this blog, so I can talk like that to him. I think he turned it off when I left the room, I sure hope so. I know I have to be careful what I watch. Please pray for me. I have been ill and dealing with challenges with that including my own emotions which can lead one to sin. This month every year is a hard one on me spiritually. It is a long story but Dec to me feels a lot darker then Oct. I know with children it is a lot more complicated too, the world is pushing Christmas on them all over the place. I will pray for both of your families.

Christmas is about the flesh. Even the lights they use are to draw people's senses in. I am not some person who says, "Oh you can't have any joy or pleasure in life, but with this it is all about casting the Christmas spell".

Christmas is basically sun-worship, they are all worshipping Tammuz paying homage to the solstice.

Bible Believer said...

I will pray for you Joy and May, thanks JL for your verses about unsaved spouses. Mine desires to be with me and does not stand in the way of my faith ventures. He reads this blog too. I pray all our spouses come to salvation. I know it has to be hard on you where the spouse keeps celebrating Christmas. I deal with some of the worldly entertainment where husband will watch bands on TV, he had some wicked movie on last night and I walked in room and said, "Look at all those masonic and Satanic symbols they have on the background". I guess in my case
he doesn't get upset at least. I have this odd thing going, maybe blessing from God, where he supports this blog, so I can talk like that to him. I think he turned it off when I left the room, I sure hope so. I know I have to be careful what I watch. Please pray for me. I have been ill and dealing with challenges with that including my own emotions which can lead one to sin. This month every year is a hard one on me spiritually. It is a long story but Dec to me feels a lot darker then Oct. I know with children it is a lot more complicated too, the world is pushing Christmas on them all over the place. I will pray for both of your families.

Christmas is about the flesh. Even the lights they use are to draw people's senses in. I am not some person who says, "Oh you can't have any joy or pleasure in life, but with this it is all about casting the Christmas spell".

Christmas is basically sun-worship, they are all worshipping Tammuz paying homage to the solstice. I believe Christmas does offend Jesus Christ. Many don't know any better but I know and was shown and must obey. I know this sounds odd, but the older I get, and more away from Christmas, the more bothered I am by all of it. It is a holiday the world loves.

KJV mom said...

Just an update; not only is my house more fully decorated than last week, but I saw a Steven Furtick DVD called Wake Up The World in my son's room. I feel more criticism from my Christian children at times than the unsaved husband. BB, your website was blocked on one of our servers, and my son knew something about the settings, but never did anything about it; hubby won't let me on explorer because of heart bleed. So that's why I am using an iPad. Rena's website is also now blocked on the desktop. truly Jesus spoke when He said that a man's(woman's) foes shall be those of his own household.