Friday, December 19, 2014

Pastor Knows the Truth about Santa Claus

"Georgia pastor warned over the weekend that children who believe in Santa Claus could grow up to be atheists.Many Christians in Harlem, Georgia said that they were outraged last week after the Born Again Independent Baptist Church changed its sign to read “Santa is Satan.”In an interview on Sunday, Pastor Edward Carothers explained to WRDW that he posted the message because “Santa Claus is robbing Christ of his glory.”“We have come to the point where we have replaced Jesus Christ and his birthday with a fictitious character named ‘Santa’ and we have lifted him up instead of lifting up the savior,” the pastor added. “It’s amazing to me that people would get this upset over a fictitious creature.”Carothers said that the problem with Santa was that children would grow up and learn that he wasn’t real, and then they would also question Christianity.“They grow up believing in Santa Claus, they grow up believing in the Tooth Fairy, they grow up believing in the Easter Bunny, they grow up in some homes believing in Jesus Christ,” he said. “Well when they get older they find out the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus ain’t real. So, what about this fourth person called Jesus?”
He is right about many children wondering what else their parents are lying about when they find out Santa Claus isn't real. This led me to very young atheism myself. 

42 comments:

Anonymous said...

When my daughter was little and I was newly saved I didn't think too much when we went along with flow and went with the Santa thing. I grew up with it, my husband grew up with it. She got a little older and found out he wasn't real and asked me, why did we lie to her?

Oh my goodness. That hit me so hard. Why, indeed? I wish I could turn back time on that one.
Since then I have spoken to her about santa and the satan connection. What a thing to have to do - reprogram your child after telling her worldly stuff that is just a lie. It's not a good feeling.

A while ago I discovered Krampus, the evil side-kick of Santa. He always has his tongue hanging out like Miley Cyrus and the Hindu god Kali. Krampus is of Germanic/Norse origin. And then I discovered that Santa may have evolved from Odin, the Norse god. The author of the rune alphabet. Father of Thor. Odin rode an eight-legged horse and he'd deliver things to children in winter as he flew across the sky. I'll be seeing some relatives this week who are into the Norse/Germanic/Viking stuff. I'll have to see what their take is.

It's a weird thing to come to the realization that so much you grew up with is a lie based on paganism. Like Christmas, Easter, and other stuff I grew up with.

The bible should be our only source of truth. Everything else out there is ruled by the god of the air, the god of this world. It was very eye opening to come to that realization. As you and other commenters have said, bringing it up to other people, they do not want to hear it. It's like they do not want their bubble burst. Like my husband said, it's what he grew up with and he's keeping it that way.
Thanks for your blog.
beb

William Sculley said...

Saint Nicholas is not satan. Saint Nicholas was an early defender of the true Faith in Christ as the Incarnate Word of God, Son of God, and divine Man. He was as much based on pagan stories as the Resurrection of Christ.

Bible Believer said...

I am glad anon, you have realized, many parents don't even think about it. I learned about Krampus a few years ago. Yes his tongue is always hanging out. I think Odin was used as a model as well too. Which of the Norse gods commanded the reindeers and even two of them are named directly after two pagan gods. I know it took me time to learn where all the holidays came from and the legends. I agree about comparing everything to the Bible.

Bible Believer said...

Even when I was Catholic, William, I would read that St. Nicholas could only be a "legend". How much does St. Nicholas if he was a real guy have to do with the guy who can magically fly through the sky and deliver billions of presents? No true saint would want to be seen as omnipotent like God. Please read this.

http://www.av1611.org/othpubls/santa.html

William Sculley said...

Well, let's see. The actual St. Nicholas was a Bishop of Myra in the early to mid 4th century. He had the habit of going out frequently and putting food on the porches of poor families. Occasionally St. Nicholas would put money in socks when they were hung to dry in the window (this is where the concept of stockings came from). It wasn't discovered that he did this until after he died, when one of the faithful of the Church he led discovered his written agenda. His death occurred in the winter, on December 6th.

Because his death occurs during advent, some people would put the festivities of his feast off until Nativity, since the Advent season is a time of fasting and prayer. So the gift-giving festivities would occur after the people had come together as Christians to commemorate Christ's birth and the Incarnation.

It is the secular world that created the 7 tiny reindeer and North Pole and other such Santa lore. In the long run, there is nothing truly harmful about it. It's something that gives kids a good lesson that Christmas is about giving to others, not receiving. They have a role model that sparks their imagination. And as they grow up, they can be shifted to the story of the real St. Nicholas, who is the true role model of Christian giving wrapped up in the Christmas season.

Anonymous said...

"Saint Nicholas" was a heretic. And the present-day manifestation of "santa claus", is most certainly satan.

Anonymous said...

Why are certain religious systems so caught up the "saints" and such. And why do some of the false church systems (the harlot), pray to saints in the name of saints? It is as if the saints are worshiped and praised above and beyond our True Shepherd, Jesus Christ our LORD and Savior.

I cannot be a part of this harlot church system, not because of my own self righteousness and self glorification of my works so the public can "see me now," but because of who Jesus is, pure and Holy.

Jesus saves, not saints, beads, or vast amounts of money collected and saved within the harlot church.

Eternally Home said...

"William Sculley
........ Natural Selection made the rules on that."

In the beginning, GOD created the heaven and the earth William. Their is no natural selection. Creation is under a curse!

My response is to your comment. After clicking on your photo, I saw the comment you made above on that page. You can't have GOD and evolution. It was a Jesuit who came up with the big bang and probably a Jesuit had much to do with evolution. For the Jesuits are rabid defenders of evolution. That's not good company to be in with in your beliefs.

As far as "saint" Nicholas, he was fraud. He followed another way. He should have been giving the Gospel truth and not winning converts to a false way. In regards to children, you are to give the children the truth from that start and not "shift" them into more fables William.

William Sculley said...

Natural selection isn't evolution. It is, by definition, an observation that when two species are competing for the same resources, the one that is best suited for that environment will be the most successful. Natural Selection would be what you were observing if you moved a group of lions and a group of monkeys into a small forest. The monkeys, which are accustomed to life in the trees, would be much more successful at getting food, since lions are not good at hiding In a green background and don't have room in a forest to pick up speed for their attack. Over a couple of years, the lions would die out, while the monkeys would flourish. That is natural selection. No mutations are necessary. All that is needed is a change in the environment. Whether that change comes from humans or weather or any other source, natural selection happens. Evolution, on the other hand, only happens in extremely limited ways. It did not create the world or anything else.

You confuse understanding something with believing it. And that's just wrong

As to Saint Nicholas spreading the wrong gospel, it was the only gospel that existed that held Christ as God. The "Fundamentalist" point of view is only about 75 years old and is about as much a return to the old ways as using AOL is. The theology reflected in this website is new. It was unknown to the Apostles.

Yes I said it. The "gospel" preached here is another gospel. Saint Nicholas died preaching that Christ is God. He was a martyr for Christ. That's why he wears red. He couldn't die for the gospel preached here because that gospel didn't exist. And without St Nicholas, you wouldn't have your Bible because St. Nicholas was a mentor of the man who first compiled it: St Athanasius.

William Sculley said...

As to what the Saints are: they are witnesses and role models of Christian living. They are to us what the support of other Olympians is to people competing in the Olympics. They tell us that we are capable of amazing things in the name of God, if we will humble ours eve and pray to God and follow Him. They are proof that God didn't leave His Church. And the utter lack of saints in Protestant circles is proof that God has left. While Protestants look to little things as miracles, Orthodox look at both small and big miracles. Whether it is the healing of cancer or an Icon that produces tons of myrrh or the appearance of a Saint or angel in our midst, all are considered miracles and all have occurred throughout the life of the Church. It is a lack of Faith that prevents that from happening in Protestant churches. They don't believe it can happen and God is more than welcome to oblige their minds since they don't even believe in God as He truly is.

If you want to meet God, come to Church with me. I meet Him regularly.

William Sculley said...

Eternally home, check out my comments on the article in November about CERN on this blog.

Anonymous said...

"Saint" Nicholas had a false gospel of works (as all catholics do) and he is in hell right now.

Anonymous said...

I couldn't turn santa into a saint for my daughter to venerate. The only person I teach her to look to is Jesus Christ. Everything she needs to know is in in the bible. Not in people, dead or alive.

Any why does Jesus Christ have to share his 'birthday' with anyone anyway? I find that really weird the more I think about it. Jesus' birthday is shared with someone who mimmicks him! Knows all, sees all, is eternal.... Why is our holy, righteous, sovereign God celebrated with - Santa. Santa with the evil side-kick Krampus, even! It's totally bizarre to me now. I guess if everyone is celebrating this holiday whether pagan, Wiccan, Christian, neither - the stores want to be sure and capture everyone and their money. Have something for everybody and sell more stuff.
And then his death and resurrection - we can't just celebrate his resurrection by itself - we have to have bunnies and chicks and eggs - more pagan celebration symbols.

William Sculley said...

Anonymous (11:56 AM):
1. You are not God, so you do not know who is in heaven or hell. Do not presume to judge on people's salvations, for the Bible commands us to judge not that we be not judged, for the measure by which we judge, we shall be judged and found wanting.

2. St. Nicholas didn't teach a faith of works because the Roman Church was still united to the rest of the Church, which taught synergia, meaning that faith without works is, as James says, dead. Besides that, there was no such thing as a workless faith. You can't have the eagle on a quarter without the head, and faith and works are the same way. They are both different sides of the same coin. Faith is inseparably married to our works, but not works of the Law. It is married to works of Love.

When Christ was asked how to obtain eternal life, He did not say "pray this prayer and really believe it". His answer was "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might, and love your neighbor as yourself." (paraphrase from memory)

Love is not an idea. It is work. Faith is not an idea. It is work. Faith in God is love.

William Sculley said...

Anon 3:10 PM:

The "birthday" of Jesus isn't a birthday party. Birthday parties necessitate a date of celebration. The Nativity is a celebration of something much greater than any birthday: it is a celebration of the Incarnation of Christ. It is a celebration of the Word becoming flesh and walking among us. And Saint Nicholas became part of it because he died during the advent season, and his life was marked with the giving of food to the homeless, gifts to the poor, and love to the sick. The inclusion of trees in the house is purely practical, as the tree provides breathable air in a room where fire eats the oxygen.

Also, referring to the bunnies and chicks and eggs as pagan shows a marked lack of knowledge of where that came from. It actually came from a very bad observation of early scientists. They had observed that every spring, right around the time that Pascha happened, eggs would appear on top of the warrens of hares. This led them to believe that rabbits laid eggs. These eggs happened to be quite tasty, so they would go out looking for fresh eggs after Pascha services to make for their dinner. Thus, the easter egg hunt was born because early scientists were goofy.

jarutom said...

hey Blogger William Sculley

take it easy, youre trying way too hard. Seem desperate shilly shill

Bible Believer said...

William Sculley is in the Orthodox church, I think he is sincere but sincerely wrong and sadly tied to false religion and the harlot.

Bible Believer said...

Here is an article I wrote on Catholic saints.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/10/roman-catholic-saints-were-no-saints.html

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2014/04/canonization-of-two-popes-naming.html

Bible Believer said...

Catholic saints aren't the brethren in Christ but often antichrist superstars that bought financial gain to the harlot Vatican.

Bible Believer said...

William even the Catholics say St. Nicholas is a legend.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/414051/Saint-Nicholas

"Nicholas’s existence is not attested by any historical document, so nothing certain is known of his life except that he was probably bishop of Myra in the 4th century"

William Sculley said...

"Catholic saints aren't the brethren in Christ but often antichrist superstars that bought financial gain to the harlot Vatican."

BB, you missed something here. Firstly, I'm Orthodox, which has a much different list of saints. None of the Saints in the Orthodox Church had any connection financially to the Vatican, and the vast majority (1400 years worth, in fact) weren't even contemporary to the Vatican.

A person is considered a Saint in the Orthodox Church for one reason and one reason only: Their lives brought glory to God. Whether this was by charity, by doctrinal defense, or by self-sacrifice through martyrdom, they all showed what a Christian is to live like. They are NOT to be worshiped. They are honored, but as great men who have run the race and fought the fight.

They are read because it was they who gave you your Bible. Your Bible would never have been compiled without them. When you trust that the Bible you read is true, you trust the work of St. Athanasius, the Bishop of Alexandria, who compiled the 50-ish books of the Old and New Testament (as several of the books of the Old Testament were compiled together, the number was smaller than we have today).

If you took everything you knew because of the Saints out of the Bible, you would have no names on the gospels, no table of contents, no excluded books, and no categorization of the books. the books would also be in individual format, and you would have to get each book alone. And St. Nicholas was fundamentally involved in that, as he was one of the major influences in St. Athanasius's life when St. Athanasius was only a Deacon.

William Sculley said...

William even the Catholics say St. Nicholas is a legend.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/414051/Saint-Nicholas

"Nicholas’s existence is not attested by any historical document, so nothing certain is known of his life except that he was probably bishop of Myra in the 4th century"

William not to be too blunt but you believe you meet "god" in church in the form of a piece of bread.

It's an idol.


I don't know why the end portion was excluded from the comment, but I included the portion from the email as I felt need to respond to it first. I do not meet God in the form of bread. The bread and wine do not physically transform into body and blood. Rather, they are indwelt by the Spirit as we pray for God to send the Spirit down to consecrate the gifts and make them spiritually like unto the Body and Blood. Rather, we meet God in the Church proper. Not the building, but in the people. The people of the Church are the body of Christ, making them the body of God, for Christ is God.

That is the Body we receive. Not a physical body in cannibalistic nature. God forbid that we eat human flesh and blood! Rather we receive the Body of Christ in the Church through Communion with the Church.

Moving on to the response about St. Nicholas of Myra, there is much more information, if you would trust the writings of Erasmus, historian of Eastern Rome during the time of the Council of Nicaea.

http://www.stnicholascenter.org/pages/who-is-st-nicholas/

William Sculley said...

"take it easy, youre trying way too hard. Seem desperate shilly shill"


Not desperate. I actually quite enjoy discussions like this. At least with BB it doesn't tend to get completely circular. Nor does BB like to use ad hominem attacks like "shilly shill".

Your logical fallacy is:

Ad Hominem

You attacked your opponents character or personality traits in an attempt to undermine their argument

Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without having to actually engage with it.

Anonymous said...

Anyone adding any works to faith, is going to hell (Romans 4:5, Galatians 1:6-9). Even "works of love" cannot be added to faith for salvation.

William Sculley said...

"Faith without works is dead". So dead faith can save?

William Sculley said...

Also, still waiting on the other responses I made.

Anonymous said...

How silly is it to declare this pastor agrees with, because he and his church celebrate Christmas. And BB, Nicholas was a real person and not a legend. His named is recorded of those who attended the Nicene council and signed the Nicene creed. He was also arrested for getting in fights during the meetings. Centuries later when corpse was dug up, it was determined he lived his with a broken nose.

Anonymous said...

Amen Anonymous 6:20, for to add works is to deny the finished "work" of Jesus on the cross for our redemption.

Catholics are trusting in their works and thus believe they are "good" in the sight of our Holy and Righteous GOD.

Anonymous said...

Faith without works is dead is about helping others, rewards in heaven, and avoiding calamities. It is NOT about salvation.

Romans 4:5 is about salvation. And it says, works not.

So those that apply works to salvation, are going to hell.

jimmy ray said...

""They are read because it was they who gave you your Bible. Your Bible would never have been compiled without them. When you trust that the Bible you read is true, you trust the work of St. Athanasius, the Bishop of Alexandria, who compiled the 50-ish books of the Old and New Testament (as several of the books of the Old Testament were compiled together, the number was smaller than we have today). ""


wrong Sculley--- GOD gave me my Bible not any man....keep honoring the saints first and glory to God 2nd

William Sculley said...

Anonymous said...

Faith without works is dead is about helping others, rewards in heaven, and avoiding calamities. It is NOT about salvation.

Romans 4:5 is about salvation. And it says, works not.

So those that apply works to salvation, are going to hell.

December 31, 2014 at 10:24 AM


That would be the standard Protestant answer. However, James STARTS the conversation just before with:

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?


It was not asking about good works AFTER salvation. The question posed as the topic of his discussion is "Can faith save him?" The argument he makes is that faith is dead at all times without works. No qualifiers are made. He concludes with this: "SO you see, brethren, that men are justified by their works, and not by faith alone."

The argument is very straightforward, and only by making the text contradict itself or removing words from the text can you make it say what you said.

William Sculley said...

jimmy ray said...

wrong Sculley--- GOD gave me my Bible not any man....keep honoring the saints first and glory to God 2nd

December 31, 2014 at 4:41 PM


1. God used those men. But God didn't give the Bible at Pentecost. In fact, 18 years of Christians never even heard of the New Testament. In point of fact, God did NOT give Scripture in the way He gave the Church. He gave the Church as the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (I Timothy 3:15). He gave Scripture as a tool to be used in that Church. Protestantism tries to get at the Truth without having the Pillar and Ground of the Truth. That's like having a house without a foundation.

2. Angry false accusation based on personal opinion has been recognized as you saying "I don't know what you really believe, so I'm going to rail at you". The Saints are honored because God used them. Without the letters written by the Saints, your gospels would be nameless and your Bible would have to be collected one letter and book at a time.

Anonymous said...

Can faith SAVE the person that is hungry and naked, is the question that James is asking.

There are many things to be saved from in the Bible. Not just hell. The Bible tells of salvation from enemies, troubles, issues of life. Tons of things.

To be saved from huger and nakedness, do works.

To be saved from hell, don't do works. Believe in Jesus.

To add works, means going to hell.

Anonymous said...

In looking at the Celtic festival calendar, it is broken up into quarters, or albans. Alban Arthuan covers the winter solstice - or Christmas where santa was honored as god.

"Alban Arthuan ("The Light of Arthur"), also was referred to as Yule, Mabon, Jul, Saturnalia, or Christmas. This feast took place on December 21 and marked the longest, darkest night of the year. Alban Arthuan was a festival of peace and a celebration of waxing solar light. Many honored the forthcoming Sun child by burning an oaken Yule log, and honored the Goddess in her many Mother aspects. The Father God was also honored in various forms: as Santa Claus, the Old Sky God, Father Time, and the Holly King."

http://www.sacredfire.net/festivals.html

When you go to the pagan sites, you find out quite a lot.
beb

Anonymous said...

"The old Celtic festivals are still remembered today, if in different forms. Samhain is now commonly celebrated as Halloween. May Day, the modern observance of Beltane, is celebrated throughout the world, and Christmas is not actually the birth day of Christ, but a date chosen by the Early Christian Church and celebrated instead of (to replace) the older observance of the winter solstace. The early church hoped to convert greater numbers of people to the new faith by absorbing the primary pagan holidays into its own ritual tradition."

Another excerpt from http://www.sacredfire.net/cosmology.html

Which got me wondering - I've read other sites that say Jesus' birthday was put on the pagan holiday by Christians to absorb people into the faith.... Or was it put there as a vaneer to be able to continue to celebrate pagan festivals 'in plain site'? Just put a Christian facade on the pagan celebrations and the Christians absorb the paganism?
beb

Bible Believer said...

I agree one is not saved via works

WORKS come from TRUE FAITH

It is not the other way around.

I watched well meaning Catholics work themselves into the ground trying to "please God" but they had not been born again. They believed in themselves and their works and the world's lie that you could work your way to heaven.



Bible Believer said...

Beb, I was a pagan {Unitarian Universalist} to know that Christmas was all about the solstice. It was the waning of light being brought back. Here they are leading people to sun worship, just like the worship of Tammuz in Ezekiel [?] 8 I just posted a quote from William Cooper, where he was leading Christians to believe worship of the SUN not SON, was a good thing. It sickened me. One thing is I try to simplify things for people on this blog. Every Mystery Babylon religion is rooted in SUN WORSHIP. Worship of Creation as warned of in Romans 1. If someone is honoring the Solstice, they are missing the plot. Sadly many even well meaning Christians have been misled. Many traditions of Christmas and surrounding holidays, even the baby and Chronos--Father New Year, for today are rooted in paganis.

Catholicism absorbed the paganism and mixed the two together to worship a false christ, in it's eucharist.

Bible Believer said...

Rome and it's Orthodox branch has their celebrity worship.

The only saints in their traditions are biblical figures and even there they add a ton of legends them.

We believe in God's Word as Christians.

They told me too William in the Catholic church that the church defined the Bible not the other way around.

It is so wrong. It leaves them totally untested and unaccountable to God. They basically can make it up as they go along and then because they are on level with God's Word supposedly, say that they define it. It is all twisted.

I am curious do you believe Padre Pio is/was a saint? I know most Orthodox are ecumenical minded with Rome. That is an example of a "SAINT" [not a biblical saint] who was fully involved with the occult.

There is no such thing as dead faith. If faith is dead it is not faith.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Bible Believer. I see that now - all rooted in sun worship. It's kinda sickening to look back all the years celebrating christmas and easter so unaware of the roots. I wonder if this is part of the great deception the Bible talks about? Satan tricking the masses to worship him instead of Jesus Christ.
Thanks again for your hard work. Praying for you. Hope you are feeling better.
beb

Anonymous said...

http://www.stnicholascenter.org/pages/upi/

St. Nicholas was demoted by the 2nd Vatican council.

Along with a bunch of other saints. That's kinda twisted - have people venerate all these saints and then the Vatican changes it's mind and takes away the saint's status so all these people have been worshiping in vain. What a cruel twist.

Thankful that our God never changes.

beb

Anonymous said...

Adding works of any kind to salvation, leads to eternal torment in the lake of fire (Galatians 1:6-9).

Anonymous said...

Anti in the biblical sense means "in place of". Vicar means "substitute". The papacy tries to replace Jesus Christ every chance it gets. They teach that the only reason Jesus came to earth was to teach man how to save themselves.