Thursday, November 20, 2014

Rick Warren Praises Marriage to the Vatican



Pope Francis Learns What Rick Warren, Russell Moore, N. T. Wright Think about Marriage

"As Christians we seem to be known more for what we're against than what we're for. I want to change that,” said Warren. According to his prepared remarks obtained by CT, he explored why Hebrews 13:4 commands that "marriage is to be honored by everyone" and laid out an "action plan" for conference attendees. In true evangelical form, his eight steps are in mostly alphabetical order:
Affirm the authority of God's word
Believe what Jesus taught about marriage
Celebrate healthy marriages
Develop small group courses to support marriage
Engage every media to promote marriage
Face attackers with joy and winsomeness
Give people confidence
Teach the purposes of marriage"
The whole meeting seems to be your typical "Cultural Warrior" battle against homosexuality in praise of marriage and in opposition to gay marriage.  I found myself thinking of the idolatry of marriage and family promoted by the Duggars when watching his speech. Creepily, Warren starts talking about sex and oxtocyin around the 8 minute mark bonding married couples. If you have not heard about oxtocyin, this is the so called "Love Hormone" that scientists have brought up. Would a room full of "celibate" [?] Vatican-employed bachelors care? It's odd to me that men forbidden from marrying women contrary to biblical instruction are self appointed "experts" on marriage and family life to begin with.

He elevates marriage in churches. He talks about having testimonies of positive marriages in churches. Actually this isn't wrong in one way, but I often have noticed single and married childless people in many churches are severely neglected! While activities and support is important for families, there are many Christians without families or who are not married. The bible even speaks of people who are not married and go forth to serve the Lord. He praises renewal of vows wearing old wedding dresses. I think this is silly,  why do retakes? He tells people we must point out the benefits of marriage. He claims out that married people are wealthier and preaches against the outcomes for single mothers. He tells us men do better while married. Sure marriage can be a positive but isn't there more pressing problems for churches today like apostasy and joining with a false church like Catholicism?

During his speech he praises his small group system [cell groups] at his churches and says that married people should only befriend married people who are as committed to their marriages as they are. He says, "The church is being outmarketed by the opponents of marriage". The minority view is being given the majority of the press."... "Whatever side tells the best stories wins".

Doesn't the bible tell us it is better to marry then to burn? Yes it does.

1 Cor 7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.


This is the Vatican progressing with the cultural wars to advance the ecumenical movement. In an old article I wrote on this blog, how the cultural warrior stuff was being used to promote false unity with the Roman Catholic church.

"Years ago, I realized they were ushering Christians into the false political and unity camp by using the "culture wars": battling carnally against "liberals": the unbelievers, atheists and secular humanists of the world, focusing on abortion [which nothing really is ever done about from so called "pro-life" politicians], 'gay marriage" [many homosexuals are not interested in the Ozzie and Harriet monogamous married life, the battle was always about who got the benefits when the partner died] and other matters. As I have outlined on this blog already, right and left are both a lie!"

This is happening now today. Rick Warren quotes a Pope and joins with the harlot in the "defense of marriage".

False Culture Wars and the Manhattan Declaration

The Homosexual Hegelian Dialectic and Obsession



9 comments:

Anonymous said...

They do use "social issues" to bypass the real issues. The real issues are that every pope is a false prophet, and the catholic false gospel leads to eternal torment in the lake of fire.

Rick Warren is a catholic man, and he always has been. He waited until recently to show his true colors. He said in several recent interviews, that this pope is "our pope".

FaithGuy3 said...

Rick Warren endorses rock music, freedom to have fornication(ie-he said in an interview that "having sex with someone MIGHT be a sin"), the New Age pop culture, the list goes on.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! And he thinks he's some staunch "pro-family" supporter?

And remember his son committed suicide last year - according to scripture, he does NOT run his household well!

1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Anonymous said...

You know what is interesting?
From what I read of this so far, he never defines marriage as between a man and a woman, only the merits of "marriage". A gay couple looking to wed could agree with his every word, no? Very subtle. It is also a total interfaith agenda move, as so many things are these days.

Anonymous said...

What I find interesting is that Rick Warren says,"As Christians we seem to be known more for what we're against than what we're for". This statement is misleading in so many ways. And I have heard something similar from him and men like him before. The statement paints a bad picture of the watchful and discerning Christian that love the Lord and his church. This is a wickedly crafted statement. He has essentially tried to corner every Christian that speaks the truth, which is inversely related to error and would be again something we are against. Rick, however, has uncannily spoken against himself because he is the one known more for what he is against, that being the Lord Jesus Christ and his word. Even Paul writing to the Philippians wrote,"(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Paul told them often of those who were enemies of the cross of Christ. So should we! Thankfully the chapter in Philippians did not end there but continues on to say that, "For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself". What an amazing assurance!
No surprises that Rick is again speaking against God's word. I just hope and pray the blinders would come off more Christians that follow and also read material that is produced from him and men like him.

Bible Believer said...

I agree about Warren being a Catholic man. Maybe closet Jesuit? Wonder where he went to college? You are right they always use the social issues this time mixed in with social justice gospel. Like people aren't marrying anymore or something? It seems there are far bigger fish to fry like those aligning themselves with false gospels.

Bible Believer said...

FaithGuy3

His smiling jokey face disturbs me even knowing his son just died a year ago. It seems that would lend someone to become sober minded. He looks like he could care less, he has the Vatican's attention now. Yes 1 Timothy 5 would apply to him.

It is kind of funny he is trying to present himself as a "pro-family conservative". He is double minded. Didn't he make excuses for homosexuality not so long ago? So he is going to go preach against gay marriage at the Vatican?

http://www.trunews.com/rick-warren-uncertain-homosexual-behavior-sinful-says-gays-go-heaven/

Bible Believer said...

Yes I have heard that statement from other phonies and ecumenicists. "As Christians we seem to be known more for what we're against than what we're for". That is a statement for the watered down. It is meant to shame those who stand up against things that are wrong. Yes he is speaking against God's Word, most definitely seeking to silence Christians who would call him out on his error, or stand against the harlot of Roman Catholicism.
The statement is meant to serve as a blinder. It has the simple think that the Christians making the stands are the ones in the wrong.

Anonymous said...

Exactly. That statement is their rallying cry, to look for what groups have 'in common.' Soon it will involve all the religions of the world in their ecumenism interfaith party, and anyone who doesn't join with them will be called 'divisive,' simply for not joining in with their one world religion, as a hindrance to 'peace.' Jesus said He came not to bring peace, but division.

Well... here's my quote:
"Separating from heresy unites the true church, while uniting with heresy separates the true church." (assuming this involves true believers of course)

Anonymous said...

You know, I remember realizing and explaining to our kids that we had much more to have to say "no" to in our age for them than our parents did in our childhood, because sin had increased in the world, and was continuing to increase. And just because something was popular doesn't make it right, in the Lord's mind. And we love the Lord. So in our lifetime, we will be having to say "no" to things that others increasingly approve of and think is alright, but which the Lord knows otherwise.

I remember telling them that I never imagined there'd be so much to have to say no to as parents. (And you know, as I'm writing this, a good amount of that is due to "the church" giving its approval to, and embracing, much of the world thinks, says and does.) If we say no to you it's because we love you, and we love the LORD.

The sincere Christian who wants to please and obey the Lord is perceived as negative by the world. (And now much of what calls itself "the church") There's no getting around that fact. But they are mistaken to think us in the "wrong", for indeed if we desire to live according to the light of God's word, we are in the right. Those casting us as negative have no real regard for the Lord or His word, and so they cast us as "negative".

There is a game of semantics and rhetoric going on, and it is diabolically clever, especially as it employs voices "in the church" such as Warren.

It's time for courage, as it is becoming harder than ever to stand stalwart for the truth, because we will increasingly be standing alone, even among believing friends and family. We're going need courage to go the long haul and stand separate from the growing apostasy overtaking the Christian world.

I am reminded frequently these days of the earliest believers and how they were very knowledgeable of this, as their faith in Christ put them immediately on the outs with everyone in the Jewish culture they were part of. A stand for Christ, for them, represented immediate rejection by all their unbelieving friends and family. There was no avoiding it; the effect was immediate.

How many of us have even a nodding acquaintance with such an experience? Instead we are discouraged from living faithful to the Lord and instead encouraged to cozy up to the world.

Here is a passage from God's word that really hits home to me. The writer of Hebrews describes what it was like, for the recipients of his letter, in the earliest days of their new-found faith, as he encourages them to "call to remembrance the former days, in which, after you were illuminated, you endured a great fight of afflictions; partly whilst you were being made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly whilst you were made companions of them that were so used. For you had compassion for me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your own goods, knowing in yourselves that you have in heaven a better and enduring substance." (Heb 10:32-34)

And in that lies a description of what those who were first to believe Christ endured for their faith, willingly and happily.

Do many of us know what that is like? I'm not sure many of us do. And so I have been praying for a readiness like this for myself and for all my brothers and sisters in Christ, world-round, because I see the need for it very strongly as the shadows grow longer and the days increasingly more evil. And in our one-anothering, I see a similar exhortation and admonition as being especially needful.

And false brethren like Rick Warren are not making it any easier for us, are they?

~ Lynn