Friday, July 4, 2014

Pope Warns Personal Relationship with Jesus is Dangerous





"VATICAN CITY (Worthy News)– Pope Francis created a controversy amongst Evangelicals this week, when he stated in his weekly address, that those who believe they can maintain a "personal" and "direct" relationship with Jesus Christ outside the "mediation of the Church" was "dangerous and harmful."



Not unexpected from the antichrist Pope. Satan's palace and servants do not want people to be born again, that is why they preach their false church is indispensable. This is about quenching the Holy Spirit in people's lives who may seeking to lead them out of this demonic religion. I know when I started talking about "being born again" in Catholic circles, some were quite flustered. The priests know that is the doorway out and they will see the backend of you once you are born again and follow the Holy Spirit in "coming out of her". The catholic "god" is set far away purposefully for them to do their priestcraft and have control over your religious and spiritual life.

82 comments:

Anonymous said...

How sad and scary is that!
We know these things are going to happen yet they still cause me grief, sorrow and yes anger too!

Lina

Bible Believer said...

Yes it is scary. The sad thing is how many follow this man and think what he preaches is true. It is funny how they push their brand, here saying people can not know "jesus" without them and then claim that all religions lead to the same god all in the same satanic breath.

TruthInLove said...

Exactly!

I heard about this one too lately and have made my fair round of comments all over.

I really think this pope is 'the' antichrist and it's being validated with every step he makes. Can't say for 100%, but you see it all the way with things like this.

Yes, it's all about 'their' brand. That is wrong anywhere. The only place to go to for salvation is Jesus, + nothing!

With that form of religion, they remove everything 'out of reach.' Every term is interpreted for the most meaningless definition, water baptism is for babies, born again and Spirit filled too, everything and anything except a true meaningful encounter with the Living Savior as a conscious adult, able to repent and surrender to Jesus.

They want to stand in the middle of that relationship, they want all the glory and the power instead. It's so obvious.

It's amazing that more people don't see what's wrong and instead dote and fawn over him over some scripted gesture. And these remarks such as this last one are nothing short of blasphemy and remember what the prophesies are about that? So, this stuff will assuredly get worse.

TruthInLove said...

Oh, and have you heard about that meeting in late June between the pope and some evangelical leaders? It's on some of the blogs now (those from that list a while back). They said stuff about 'laying aside differences and dividers' (ecumenism) to come together (unity) for the good of the world (dominionism, 'kingdom now' heresies).

Right at the onset he met with leaders of various denominations such as Eastern Orthodox, and other religions, etc.

Then there was all the talk of embracing the other faiths, etc.

Then atheists were ushered in.

Then came all the other talk about uniting the separated brethren.

More meetings followed, and many in the 'evangelical' camp and wolves like Rick Warren spoke favorably of the Catholic church.

Then there was the video meeting with Kenneth Copeland and Tony Palmer (an Anglican/Episcopal?) about 'unity' and demolishing the 'reformation'.

Earlier in May there was the meeting with the Eastern Orthodox.

Now this meeting in late June with various leaders in 'Christendom' focusing on 'unity.'

It's just as if he's reading off a checklist and marking off each one, you can already predict what will come next.

Just remember folks, it is just the opposite as he says;

It is dangerous NOT to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

You can only be saved by having a personal relationship with Jesus.

Not only is joining the CC not necessary for salvation, it is not possible to be saved if you do join the CC, you can only be saved by coming out of it. (You are saying that you 'need' that institution to save you too, an insult to Jesus' finished work on the cross which is all that is necessary to save you, assuming you receive it). There are of course transitional stages, people who get saved, God shows them things, and then they come out, etc. But you must come out or you are taking a big risk!

Pretty much anything he says, apply the negation of it to get the truth.

1. Gays okay? No.
2. Atheists okay? No.
3. Other religions okay? No.
4. Saved by works? No.
5. Must be in CC? No, CAN'T be in CC.
6. Personal relationship with Jesus dangerous? No, personal relationship with Jesus necessary for salvation, it is dangerous without it (leads to hell).


You can't leave it up to a religion and their rituals to save a person. They are powerless to do so. If you put your trust in them, you will fall. Your trust can only be in Jesus and in Him only for your salvation. It needs to be in Him only, all the way, and in no one else simultaneously. That is the one and only way to be saved and in the real, true church of Jesus Christ.

Also, regarding other belief systems, there may be some 'good' and wise sayings here and there, or engaging in 'good' works, (it won't look appealing otherwise if it's all bad) but this won't SAVE you. The way of salvation is to put your trust in Jesus' work of atonement on the cross for your sins (without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins) Hebrews...

(on a sidenote, it seems yoga has spread through our culture like a wildfire too, don't get into that, it's of eastern religion, do research on it if you don't believe me)

anyway... and this pope came in right away playing the 'pious and humble' card, kissing the feet and all that, I saw through it right away. Pious and humble, fine, but you must proclaim the truth as Jesus did, boldly and at the expense of self out of love for the lost.

Blessings!

TruthInLove said...

Op, and now I just read one more we can add to that list:

He says that the communists are okay now too... because they help the poor, so therefore they must be... Christians too.

((; Seriously, I saw that right after I left the last comment session on here. It's almmost funny!

Well, have a blessed holiday and let's enjoy all the freedom while it still lasts, like freedom of speech... I'm celebrating it in a certain way too, appreciating what is still intact while knowing the days are short and the curtains will close altogether on such things and then persecutions will come.

TruthInLove said...

Op, and now I just read one more we can add to that list:

He says that the communists are okay now too... because they help the poor, so therefore they must be... Christians too.

((; Seriously, I saw that right after I left the last comment session on here. It's almmost funny!

Well, have a blessed holiday and let's enjoy all the freedom while it still lasts, like freedom of speech... I'm celebrating it in a certain way too, appreciating what is still intact while knowing the days are short and the curtains will close altogether on such things and then persecutions will come.

FaithGuy3 said...

Looks like this Pope is hammering the final nail in the coffin.

Yes, the previous Popes have been evil - but THIS one takes the cake, to be frank!

Anonymous said...

Bible Believer,

I believe this pope may well be the false prophet, or a fore runner. He certainly appears to be advocating for the one world church. I remember reading a news article the day after he became pope. As he sat amongst his cardinals who elected him, he was quoted saying, 'May God forgive you for what you have done'. It was supposedly spoken in jest, but when I read it, I had chills. There may be more truth to these words than some may realize.

Thank you, BB, for your thought provoking articles.

Yours in Christ,

Lynn

James said...

Speaking as an ex-catholic, I know what this Pope is speaking of. He is saying that if you are really a "Christian" then you will participate and belong to the "One True Church", the "only Christian Church", the Roman Catholic Church.
As a born again believer in Yeshua, the Messiah (Jesus, the Christ), I find it fitting that this False Prophet would call a personal relationship with Christ, outside of the Roman Catholic faith, a "dangerous" temptation. In reality, staying within the Roman Catholic Religious System is truly the most dangerous thing that a person can do. It should be obvious to Christians everywhere that the Vatican has changed since Vatican II. You have Pope John Paul II, who kissed a Koran and who prayed to a god with many individuals who worship false gods, declared a "Saint". I have no idea if this man is in heaven or not, but I do know that for a "follower" of Christ to kiss a Koran is like a Christian bowing before Satan and calling him Lord. Then you have this current Pope, who is a Jesuit. Just do some research on what kind of oath a Jesuit has to make. Plus, this Pope, like John Paul II is attempting to draw all religions into the catholic umbrella. The Roman Catholic Catechism even states that the Muslim "has a path to Salvation". Islam denies Christ, how He died, who He was and His resurrection. This current Pope has even called Evangelical (Fundamental) Christians mentally ill. Wake up Christians. If you are in this false religious system, as I once was, GET OUT now, so that you can be counted worthy to stand before the "Son of Man" and be counted worthy to escape the "wrath to come".
Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Anonymous said...

Funny thing happened on the road to religion, whether catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, assembly of god, e-free.....they collect, collect, collect and guilt you into giving more money to build the kingdom of man here on this earth through hierarchy-synods/administration, majestic buildings and the fancy furnishings that go with it, elaborate landscaping projects, church sports area buildings for a Christ centered basketball experience (?), kids amusement centers built for having fun in the name of a jesus not found in our Word, etc., etc., etc.....

Anonymous said...

continued from above:

The vast amount of money taken in by organized religion here in this country to build/organize monuments to themselves is blasphemous when compared to our Holy Scriptures, for the offerings were to be given to take care of the poor, the sick, and the widows....those believers in our LORD Jesus Christ who desperately were in need.

Now church goers complain when their favorite pastry is missing from the "fellowship tray", when the air conditioning unit has broken down and now they will sweat during the service, when
so and so missed a church service to be by their mother's sick bed............boy, organized religion can be deaf, dumb, and blind, can't it?

And Jesus is still knocking on the door of men's heart waiting to come in......The Gospel was never meant to be a money making, wealthy machine designed to lord it over men, for that is the way of this world/man.

Anonymous said...

truth in love, lilianna white, lol. take a break. changed her name so folks wont point out that she is cointel from some witches coven. comments used to be great here but now its like a little old lady bridge club.

Bible Believer said...

Hey anon, I have dealt with so many infiltrators, it's not funny doing this blog. In fact there are some days I shake my head and wonder how many "real" people there are. You keep writing to me that Lilianna White is a witch, what is your proof? I wrote Lilianna, truthinLove, that I hope she wasn't some cultist like Atmo. I don't mind the long posts, some people have more time then others to respond. I am just curious why you keep writing me about this? Or are you just trying to cause trouble. I looked up the name, didn't see anything. Are you telling me she is a witch because there was a character by that name or something on Bewitched?

Bible Believer said...

I also KNOW someone could come on here and POST a LOT, to be con--intel. Yeah.... I don't have the time to sit down an analyze every comment. If it appears ok, I'll post it but this does not mean I endorse every comment, and it has my seal of approval.

There's a lot I am not putting up either. I was on the fence about posting the stuff by one the cultist denying the Holy Spirit on another post simply because I wanted to know what cult came up with that one so I could warn about it. So I asked him where did you come up with that one.

I hope you are real too Lillianna. You won't be offended if you are real. You would understand. Hey I have had all types over here.

Bible Believer said...

I saw the weirdo Communist comments by the Pope. I almost posted about it, and forgot to include it on this thread but yeah I saw that nonsense. World socialism for everyone via the Vatican. The millions of deaths under Mao and Lenin vanished already to these types.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/stolen-our-flag-pope-says-communists-are-closet-christians-n143811

Sorry the Communists don't care about the poor. This Pope sickens me more and more. Yes this is one in running for false prophet, though I am one who believes office of Pope is Antichrist and one will be THE ANTICHRIST though I understand Christians who consider him to be false prophet. This one is taking the cake, you are right FaithGuy. Hey the frogs have been warmed up to accept everything and anything. Lynn, yeah sometimes they expose what they are via their jokes and almost basically come out and TELL people. James Praise God you came out of the Catholic church like I did. I agree with your post, I pray more wake up.

Anonymous said...

Please pray for me I find this world very overwhelming sometimes, sometimes I cannot stop the tears.

Angela Lina

TruthInLove said...

Hi,

Yes, I read that quote too. He knows what his plan is. Also, I lean towards beast #1 here because beast #1 rises before beast #2, the false prophet. I don't see any trait lacking and I don't go by what popular eschatology says because that steers people wrong, they want people to think he will be a big political guy. But remember, counterfeit symmetry is a great code breaker here. Jesus holds both religious and political office (high priest and king), and the 'arch enemy' will hold both too, and the papacy is both a religious and political office since the vatican is its own country, not to mention wielding all that influence in both spheres.

The Jesuit thing, yes, that fits into this picture perfectly too.

TO ANON: truth in love, lilianna white, lol. take a break. changed her name so folks wont point out that she is cointel from some witches coven -
HUH? YOU ARE FROM SOME WITCHES COVEN! BUT WITHOUT INTELLIGENCE!
I HAPPEN TO HAVE BROUGHT IN SOME OF THE BEST STUFF AND KEPT IT FROM TURNING INTO A BRIDGE CLUB, GROW A BRAIN PLEASE! I've been calling things as they are from day one and defending the articles with bible verses and contending for the faith all the way, what witches coven did you just slither out of?!?

To BB or anyone:
I understand that people don't know me and I get that, but I am a bit offended that I have been on here this long and what have I been saying? How many times have I defended the faith? How many times have I pulled out the right bible verse? How many times have I fought side by side with you against unorthodoxy? How many times have I warned about the need to take our relationship with Jesus seriously, pick up our cross, and follow him? Or warned about the Catholics and others? Or mentioned a new item about this pope or some other relevant news? I might mention some things that seem insignificant to some, but I see a deeper meaning behind it, like the fashion, the occult symbolism in it all, all the black, etc. The list goes on, but I am surprised that there would be any room left for doubt after all of that. Let them find something I mentioned that isn't important! I may have made a joke once in a while, but so what? So did other people, even far worse. If a person's words line up with the bible (actions can't enter the picture online, one of the drawbacks), what issue could there be? Some anon joe doe with no name comes on here accusing me without cause for what? Changing my name? Speaking the truth? Going on a mission? Let's see their conversation record! What other test should I take? Did you have any reason to be suspicious? Just let me know.
I have no idea why this person would do that, but the only reason could be the real battle going on between light and darkness and since I am very much in the light, someone on the dark side felt the need to attack. That is interesting that they kept emailing you! I was using that name a lot when 'doing battle' in a number of arenas of influence so it is not surprising that someone is trying to slander me now. I might just change my name again and not advertise it next time, or simply come on here like any other anonymous coward. I actually take the time for this as well as many other things in service to the Lord, may those on the dark side either repent or pine away over it!

I will continue to fight the good fight, even if I am the last one standing!

Another thing to make them squirm:

Jesus conquered all evil on the cross, triumphed over the power of sin, and rose in victory over the power of death, crushing the devil and his power forever!!!

The victory, the power, the glory, and the dominion are the Lord Jesus Christ's forever! God reigns forever!

And He has made me victorious over the flesh so I live a holy life obedient to Him! Praise God the Father and God the Son!

And LOVE to everyone, because the love of God wins!!! Hallelujah!

Anonymous said...

Stephan from Germany

To Angela Lina
"Please pray for me I find this world very overwhelming sometimes, sometimes I cannot stop the tears."
I´ll pray for you!
Maybe this video is good for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDZPF7eOkJo
Some people are chosen from God to be intercessors for the world. Chosen to mourn and cry for the sins of the world.

To Lilianna White / TruthInLove
I´m not annonymous nor have I written any email.
Your works aren´t important!
You were suspicious to me from day one!
I can´t point the finger on it. The Lord gave me some kind of gift of discernment when it comes to written comments. Or articles or videos etc.
Some hard evidence of "something isn´t right" was just exactly the linklist you postet some posts back. I thougt/know ~75% of the sites are FALSE.

Anonymous said...

I just skip over lilianna whites self centered, I know so much, look at me, hi all comments. But yes, it does take away from the conversation here

Anonymous said...

my favorite was when asked about her missionary trip, she offered zero information and typed, "lets just leave it at that" LOL. Its not all about you and your supreme knowledge of the Word. Like anon said, :suspicious

Anonymous said...

Did everyone see this other horrific Vatican News from April? More heretical utterances from the "doctors (& doctrines) of demons" claiming the Lord is never coming back & that He was simply drunk on wine when He said so! I'll leave the full article below, but feel free to edit if desired. I wondered if it was a joke because what "Cardinal" speaks so slang-like & unprofessional? (ref. 3rd paragraph):

[...]
"Jesus Not Coming Back By The Looks Of It” Admits Vatican:
April 18, 2014:
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/04/18/jesus-not-coming-back-by-the-looks-of-it-admits-vatican/

A SPOKESPERSON for the Vatican has officially announced today that the second coming of Jesus, the only son of the God, may not happen now after all, but urged followers to still continue with their faith, regardless of the news.

Cardinal Giorgio Salvadore told WWN that this years 1,981st anniversary is to be the Vatican’s last in regards to waiting for the Lord to return to Earth.

“We just feel Jesus is not coming back by the looks of it.” he said. “It’s been ages like. He’s probably flat out doing other really good things for people somewhere else.”

Nearly two thousand years ago, Jesus promised his disciples that he would come again in chapter John 14:1-3 of the bible: “There are many homes up where my Father lives, and I am going to prepare them for your coming. When everything is ready, then I will come and get you, so that you can always be with Me where I am. If this weren’t so, I would tell you plainly”

The Vatican defended Jesus’ broken promise, claiming “he was probably drinking wine” at the time when he made the comments.

“Having the ability to turn water into wine had its ups and its downs.” added Cardinal Salvadore. "We all make promises we can’t keep when we’re drunk. Jesus was no different.”

The church said it will now focus attentions on rebuilding its reputation around the world, but will keep an optimistic mind for the savior’s second coming.
[...]
End Quote.

So Cardinal admits "We all ... we're drunk"! Ha. Speak for yourself bud. ;)

As for them "rebuilding their reputation," impossible! They never had a good reputation from the get-go. Their entire foundation is false, based on OT Law of a priesthood, altar, sacrifices, ritual, clergy hierarchy, tithing, holy/feast days, etc., all of which Christ "nailed (that written document) to the cross"; not to mention their false goddess, the unfaithful Israelites' "Queen of Heaven" & the infusion of Roman paganism, etc.

Most likely the RCC was established by the same Judaizers whom Paul fought so vehemently against & of whom he warned that they, as ravenous wolves, would enter in to the flock after his departure. The Judaizers could not stomach the thought of salvation apart from Law, based on Christ's cross+resurrection alone, so it only makes sense that when they had their chance they took over, creating an OT priestly/ritualized/tithing/altar-based/sacrificial Law-keeping "Christianity."

Like Paul confronted Peter re his Judaizing hypocrisy at Antioch, we also ask the RCC (AND the Catholics!):

"HOW DOST THOU COMPEL THE NATIONS TO JUDAIZE?" (Gal. 2:14: Young's Literal; Darby's, etc.)

"WHY COMPELLEST THOU THE GENTILES TO LIVE AS DO THE JEWS?" (KJV, same verse).

That's the only verse one needs to answer a Catholic who thinks you're "lost" without their OT-Law-based "church system." Let the "Two-Edged Sword" (the Word) do the talking. It is "alive" & has the power to cut through concrete (thick heads) with just a few words vs. our long explanations.

Welcome all the former Catholics! (self-included, though that was half-a-century ago, birth thru early teens). Disgusting "church" & RCC-school never taught me ONE SINGLE SCRIPTURE. So no love lost there. Be gone with you, Harlot! ;)

Anonymous said...

I guess what he is saying is somewhat the truth. It will be dangerous to have a personal relationship with Jesus, because it is there agenda to kill us for our faith. It's almost like they are spelling it out to us.
Let us all run the race and never give up. And count it all joy when we suffer for Christ.

Faith

Anonymous said...

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/disclaimer/

TruthInLove said...

To Stephen,

You are suspicious, not me. So obviously I have the gift of discernment, not you (which I do).

You need to go back and read that post again then, I didn't endorse the sites, just to have some research done on them, and there IS some good stuff on all of them, SOME I said, if you don't see that then YOU are FALSE. And I never said it was about works, but that is something to test things by and in that way they DO matter.

To anon:
YOU are self centered, I have done nothing but bring in good stuff to ADD to the lack thereof.

To the other anon:
I never said it was about me, but a strong knowledge of the word is a good thing, and it's not about you either or how you don't like all of that. YOU are suspicious, not me. Like I said, if I would have shared more (and no one asked me), you would have complained about that as if 'it's all about me'! I don't care what you believe about it. So YOU are suspicious!
So go LOL at yourself!

Bible Believer said...

Truth in love, I noticed you asked one poster why they are suspicious and got angry at them for it. Remember this being the internet we are not seeing each other. Actually a blog like this DOES have tons of infiltrators come on it. So don't be hard on people because they wonder about active posters and others. I still would like to know if that is your website.

http://www.truthinlove.com/

Bible Believer said...

I agree Faith, the days are coming and are already here [in some places] where it is dangerous to be a Christian. Why else would he label beliefs as inherently dangerous.

Bible Believer said...

So that's not your website?

I will tell you when people run to change an identity name, it is a red flag to me.

I don't know if you are real or not real. I've been love bombed before by wolves, you could be a nice woman with lots of internet time but otherwise, here, people do have reason to be wary.

I mean look at ATMO, on surface good posts, but in a full blown cult.

I don't do doctrinal tests for commenters--who would, I do post what looks legit, but sometimes that can be tough with all the game players.

I'd like to know what folks are talking about concerning a link on Ephesians 5:11.

Doing this blog, lets just say my trust levels aren't as high as they used to be.

Bible Believer said...

The above is to Lillianna/TruthinLove

Bible Believer said...

I figured out an entire message board was phonies except maybe 2 people. All presented themselves as "nice" Christians. Just like the links, I don't "endorse" comments by posting. I try to weed out the outwardly abusive, and cultic.

Knowjesustoo said...

Bible Believer,

I've been reading through the discussions that have ensued for about the past week or so. They're almost more fascinating than the articles you've posted. I guess trying to fellowship online isn't really ideal, if there's no way to speak to people or see them. There's no way to evaluate a person's fruit, or to "know them" who are in the faith and follow their example.

I'm not really part of the ongoing dialogue here, although I've read through many of your articles. I've posted a few comments, but in general, it isn't important. As a believer, knowing Christ and Him crucified is the only thing that matters. I believe *you* are authentic in your faith in Christ, and that you desire to keep people informed of the world events that point to what is biblically prophesied. We are told that the deception of the false prophet and anti-Christ will be so cunning and effective, that it might deceive even the elect. So there is much value to being sober and alert, and having our senses trained to discern good from evil.

The dialogue here, however, is quite interesting. Anyone who is highly inclined to defend themselves here is spinning their wheels (and possibly intending to distract). Without knowing who you really are, it's impossible to verify anything.

So, I think it makes more sense not to trust anyone who posts here, or anywhere. Our trust should be in Christ alone, not a man or woman. VERIFY everything for yourself, as much as possible. And if things seem wrong at a site, just walk away. I'm compelled to visit BB's site because of the content, not the author. But I don't just believe everything, nor will I always agree with the conclusions made. I like to read dialogue when people are posting about the subject matter, and how they see it (or what they know that contributes to the information). But it's best to vary the sources of information.

I don't know you, "Lilianna"/"Truthinlove", and I've only begun reading your responses in the past couple of weeks. Obviously your credibility is being questioned. No matter how "loud" you type, no one can verify what you claim about yourself. This has happened to me in the real, tangible world. All I can eventually conclude is that one day, everyone will know the truth. I don't go around trying to defend myself, even when a person CAN see me, hear me, and observe my life if they really want to.

BB, please just keep doing the work you're doing. As I wrote in another comment to you, I value what you're doing because I do not like to delve into world/political matters, but it's important we as believers are aware of these things. My focus is on other areas of biblical truth, and deception in the church; and I'm more inclined to try to maintain the simplicity of the gospel ... it's become so convoluted, keeping people from really being saved and growing in understanding.

I don't use a real name, but rather *Grace*. But I will always use my screen name, "knowjesustoo". Because that's the most important matter, to know Jesus.

These world and political matters are important, but too much debate and dialogue sort of creates a mess. BB, Don't trust anyone but Christ (and those whom you can observe and know their fruit). If you believe the Holy Spirit is leading you, then keep doing the work. If you're a true believer, and I'm a true a believer, one day we'll meet as we celebrate with our Lord and SAVIOUR. Same for anyone else here. Believers ought not to argue, but to build one another up.

Study your Bibles, asking the Holy Spirit of truth to reveal truth to you. Worship The Lord in spirit and in truth. Praise and thank The Lord Jesus always. We do need to understand these signs of the times, but Jesus said not to worry or to fear. Discussion is good; tearing each other down is not.

Seek The Lord first, in all things.

Grace




Bible Believer said...

Great words Grace. You got it right. We can only totally trust in Jesus Christ. It is true on here, I am not seeing the people. We don't know each other. I agree we can only go about our business the best we can and I agree about believers not fighting. Thanks for your encouragement. I agree everyone should check everything and test it out according to the Lord, what is on this blog too.

Anonymous said...

seeing mary whites/ liliannas/truth in love reply on the alex jones glenn beck thread is all I needed to see to confirm that something is amiss. Then I went to eph 5:11 blog. ...

Bible Believer said...

Mary White is definitely her, the writing is exact same. Why the need for endless names?

Anonymous said...

KnowJesusToo (Grace)

I agree with your comments completely. In an online format it is impossible to know who is for real. I enjoy the discussion when it reveals something that I did not know and when it makes me re-examine what I thought to be true and that is about the extent of it. Only the bible is Truth.
It saddens me when the posts become personal and there is no ability to just reason together. It is indeed human nature to seek out affirmation of our personal beliefs I saw this in the Luther thread, both sides had an emotional investment in their side of the argument.
We should only be reporting the facts, it worries me when we start drawing conclusions and making ungodly statements like he is “The Antichrist” or making statements that he is evil or demonic or the "pope sickens me and more.”
It is difficult that we see this evil in our world and we see the people doing the evil, yet in my heart I know that we should not be putting ourselves above these people, to say they “sicken me” means I am better than them, it is only by the grace of God that we are where we are.
BB
I mean this as no personal attack BB, but we need to choose our words carefully, I understand the sentiment, however I know I cannot personalize it. I cannot let the ‘pope sicken me’ because then it becomes personal to me, and it is not about me.
Reveal all that is wrong and evil with the institution however, for the sake of how we present ourselves in Christ we need to do so without malice. I work on this constantly but I know it is important because otherwise all the evil I see abounding would overwhelm and I need to remember it is not about me.
I hope what I am trying to say is understood and again it is not personal but it is something I have struggled with so I was moved to share.

Stephan (from Germany)

Thank you!! I have often felt I am one of those who is called to mourn I try to remember to do so humbly and know that He will not give more than I can bear.
Angela Lina ( I go by both names)

Knowjesustoo said...

BB,

I visited the Ephesians 511 blog out of curiosity. Under the article titled "UPDATED-Purposely destroying the Christian Witness - Documented Proof of False Christian Witness Agents (FCWA)" .... "Mary White" is the first responder. Scroll down through the dialogue, under a posting from "Pat Ammeter", Mary white admits she is "Lilianna White". So, there's that.

I read from Mary's various postings that she is working on creating a sort of online fellowship of believers, and is attempting to gather email addresses to personally communicate.

As I've read through some of Mary's/Lilianna's,etc postings most of the things she quotes from the Bible are accurate. On the surface, she appears to be isolated and in need of fellowship. She is obviously outspoken, which is not entirely indicative of a divisive or deceptive spirit.

But look what's happened: everyone's now talking about this person, instead of the content you've posted. I've even gotten drawn in; but I guess because so many are having issues, I'm trying to resolve this for myself and move on.

I highly recommend no one give out personal information to anyone online. Guard your hearts. You may be a genuine seeker or believer, who feels isolated. Many people are! Turn to The Lord Jesus Christ, our Lord who will never leave you or forsake you. I personally know a handful of people who have been mentally, emotionally, and spiritually wounded by someone they "met" online. I have concluded the Internet is one of Satan's most favorite playgrounds.

Angela Lina: your words are appreciated. I understand your burden for mankind. Remember, Jesus has ultimately/completely interceded for mankind, and God wants all to be saved (no, not all will be). You do not have to bear the burden. However, we do share in His sufferings.

2 Corinthians 4 may be useful to you. Also a few others:

"Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance thy heart is made better" Ecclesiastes 7:3, KJV

"The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit" Ps 34:18, KJV

"Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted" Matt 5:4, KJV

I just encouraged myself :)

Be blessed and find comfort in The Lord.

Grace

Anonymous said...

The Bible says we are to hate evil.


Psalm 97:10- Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the should of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.

Romans 12:9- Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Proverbs 8:13- The fear of the LORD is to hate evil : pride, arrogancy, and the evil way, and the forward mouth, do I hate.

Amos 5:15- Hate the evil and love the good, and establish judgement in the gate...

We are not to love the wicked in this world not are we to accept it. We are to hate it. The cotton candy preachers of this modern world will convince you to judge no one ever. The Bible says get the more out of your eye so you can judge clearly. So in other words you better not go tell some one to quit
Stealing if you are a thief. But I am not a thief or an adulterer so if someone is walking in those sins it is my duty to not only judge but to warn.

I have a stalker neighbor who is SICK and wicked. I have actually had Christians tell me to be at peace with this guy and to love and forgive him.
I do pray for him, but I will never allow him to come near my children.
I have told him of his offense and he refuses to repent so I do not have to forgive him. I count him as a heathen.

We are to stand firm and not compromise to this world.

Faith

Anonymous said...

BB - I left and comment about Mary White posting on Ephesians511blogspot.com.I did it on an article you did last week.I noticed it , and thought it was fishy. I didn't want to attack lilliana, so I just stated what I saw. I don't know anything about name changing on comments , although I understand people wanting to remain anonymous sometimes.
I also understand lilliana's cheerleading disposition.I used be like that sometimes, and people don't like it. It can grate on people. But I still, like others, felt there was something off with lilliana. I want to trust my discernment, but it could be just her personality.
She does seem puffed up sometimes. Also there were some comments that didn't show fruit, but the opposite. But, then I'm not perfect. Maybe she could take the comments ,not in self defense, but look at them and examine herself.If she is a genuine Christian ,maybe that is the way to go..
If you want the comment at ephesians511,I can find the post.If the comment is still there.
Just my 2 cents worth..

Anonymous said...

Actually, I looked at myself when I felt ganged up on once.I came to the conclusion that some of it was unwarranted, and some of it made me take a closer look at myself and see where I could be stronger in my faith and where I needed some correction.It took a while..

Anonymous said...

Sorry for the typos.

He preservers the soul of his saints.

Get the mote out of your eye.

My phone auto corrects and I
always have typos.

Anonymous said...

But if she is isolated, did she go on a missionary trip herself?
And why call it an underground church,why not a house church or something like that.. and gather emails.I would be very careful giving out your email to someone online, as someone already pointed out.
But we should pray for her, and to resolve our doubts and such.
But I hear what KnowJesustoo has to say and take it into consideration.And hope Lilliana forgives anyone who may be wrong about her, if they are.It is online afterall.

Anonymous said...

satans army of internet infiltrators is strong and convincing, cunningly infiltrating different circles of people using many tactics. one tactic would be to preach, scripturally accurate doctrines for born again Christians for a time, gaining trust-squeaky wheel style-until the time needed to convince others of a lie or some event, or potentially could make Christians look crazy and insane, filling a Hollywood stereotype in a way...etc., like a mole.

Its hard to discuss a topic when there is a constant wall of text from a puffed up woman preacher.

Most events are all fake anyway so its probable that there are many fake personas out there.

I do hope you are real BB!

Ruth Latimer said...

I have been double minded about Lillian's posts.

Anonymous said...

Keep on preaching what the Lord has put on your heart Lillianna. The enemy does not want the truth coming out on this blog. But the Holy Spirit can see right thru the deceivers on this blog.

Anonymous said...

Faith,
I find this line rather confusing?

”We are not to love the wicked in this world not are we to accept it.”

If the wicked are people then I think that everything Jesus did proves that to be wrong. Jesus loved the wicked but he hated their sin.

So if by ’wicked’ you mean ’sin’ than I can understand what you are saying.

However, if by ’’wicked’ you mean ‘people’ you walk very close to the ideoogy of places like Westboro Church.

The Bible teach us to love sinners, while hating their sin. JUDE1:22-23

Likewise, Christians are to hate what God hates (i.e. sin), and love what God loves (i.e. our fellow man).
Many many other places in the bible it tells us to LOVE but Hate EVIL. Evil = Sin
I encourage you to come to a right understanding of this because your witness will be severely hampered because it will seem like it is coming from place of hate rather than love.
I became a Christian because my sin was juxtaposed against the absolute righteousness of God and the person did so with love and humility, not because the witness believed himself to be righteous.

What does it mean to count someone as a heathen, is that fair because your witness failed?

Your post seemed very angry, and I totally understand how we can tire of the evil in this world, and yes it is people that perpetuate this evil because of sin, yet I just want to encourage you to focus on how Jesus interacted with the sinners ( we were sinners too saved by grace) of this world.

I really do not like engaging in this type of dialogue online however I just could not find peace unless I responded.
Angela Lina

Knowjesustoo said...

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (1 Thes. 5:21)

So, what were we talking about? Oh, the Pope warning about the "danger" of a personal relationship with Jesus. Incredible! Well, signs of the times.

I love Jesus. Keep seeking Jesus believers.

Grace

Anonymous said...

Just wanted to point out that the post I made about hating evil in no way was it refering to lilianna . I was refering to the wicked leaders of this world and those who are reprobate .
I agree with the previous statement about liliannas statements line up with the bible. And her and I got into it a few post back. I still feel bad about that. I also agree with the post about trusting only Jesus.
So anyway just wanted to clarify that I wasn't refering to anyone on here.
And I did have some typos on the scripture I typed.
I meant he preserveth the soul of his saints.
And get the mote out of your eye not more.
My phone likes to auto correct.

Faith

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Just wanted to point out that the post I made about hating evil in no way was it refering to.... I was refering to the wicked leaders of this world and those who are reprobate."
Faith

Can someone Please Clarify for me this position from a scriptures that we are to hate the wicked leaders of this world?

I am open to learning, I think it is essential to have the scriptural position considering the times we live. I find it keeps coming out in various ways in the comments on this blog yet I cannot find any basis for it in scripture. Perhaps again it is about being clear and careful in our language.


Thoughts out there?

Angela Lina



Anonymous said...

Hi Angela. I'm not sure what the Westboro church is. And I want to answer your question. When I say I count this man as a heathen. I am refering to Matthew 18: 15-17
15- Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall here thee
thou has gained a brother.

My husband did this. Calmly and with much respect and love my husband asked him to quit.

16-But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of.two or three witnesses every word May be established.

Other neighbors have problems with this man and came also and told him of his trespass. He tells us to call the cops they won't do anything.
17- And if he neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.
So we did call the cops. And they have told him to stop but he continues still. We believe he may be a free mason. We have a lot of those where we live. He thinks he is above the law. It is not just my witness he has rejected.

He is a reprobate. I do not believe what a lot of these well meaning Christians have told me. Like go love him and one even told him to give him my property . He doesn't want my property.
He's a pedophile even the cop said so. He wants my children.
There are people who don't want to be saved no matter how good our witness is.
Even Jesus said if the good man of the house knew when the theif was coming he would not permit his house to be broken into.

And I am not a dominionist or anything like that. And I am not angry. I didn't mean to come off that way.

I just think there should be a balance. Yes we are to love, but also know that some are hell bound and could care less about our witness.

Faith

Bible Believer said...

I do not believe God wants us to hate anyone, however when it comes to luciferians [those who are reprobates, seared etc] does this mean LOVE them like Christian brothers and sisters? No God's commandment is to depart from them. Some leaders God may lead you to pray for even. Others, one will in their prayer life will know they are totally given over to Satan. One false thing taught in the world is that Christians are to love everyone. Does this mean love Satan? I don't think so. Wickedness is enabled via this weak understanding of scripture. We are to forgive those who repent, but this does not apply to those who refuse and who are stiff-necked. Here you must understand the concept of reprobates and those who are seared, those without conscience. We are to preach the gospel and forgive and love enemies, but with many world leaders, many are tied to Satan directly, they are given over. Does this make sense to you?

12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.

Bible Believer said...

I am working on an article right now. It deals with the seared and reprobate. This is a very difficult article and I am doing more study, it may take some time and it has to do with this issue.

30 Rejected silver they are called, for the Lord has rejected them.” Jer. 6:30

Titus 3:10King James Version (KJV)

10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

Anonymous said...

just read this spurgeon sermon last night. You may have read it already but it may assist you in your new article on the seared and reprobate

http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0239.htm

Anonymous said...

God hated Esau. Jesus showed much disdain for the money changers and Pharisees. David hated the enemies of the Lord greatly. its difficult not to hate as it is in our flesh nature. Lord knows I hate much in this world and the willing deceivers, puppets and puppet masters plotting against God in this generation, I hate. I can pray about it but I feel it is natural to hate bad and wickedness and evil. I am not like the Son of God although I strive to follow HIM. I am lowly weak, flesh, disgusting when left to my natural state. Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel were all disgusted by the world when they prophesied in their time. Jesus tells us many times that he came to divide. Peace as I give unto you not as the world gives...check this out Angelina
it isn't an explanation of why we hate but it is an answer to the question why God hates

http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0239.htm

thanks BB for providing great material and a nice forum !

Anonymous said...

Faith - I am sorry about your situation. I have had some similar situations. I have had a hard time even praying for these people. I tend to agree with what BB said about it.
I have only met one person who I saw as totally reprobate, repent and try to change their ways..But only after, I for years prayed about them and talked about the Gospel to them. But it is rare that you can even do that..But,I also still have doubts about this person.So, all things are possible with God.
But, again, there are other people with whom I have just given it over to God completely.
It is in his hands..

Anonymous said...

Thanks Anonymous. I do pray for leaders and for my neighbor.
I would love for for him to repent and turn to Jesus.

I have had very well meaning Christians tell m y husband and I that we are not obeying God because we are not forgiving someone who refuses to repent and that we are not showing the love of Christ.
I believe the apostasy has brained washed many in believing that we are to love everyone no matter what and that we shouldn't question anyone.

Its a huge deception. And evil is waxing worse and worse. Things are getting more and more bizzare.

They are now speaking of sympathizing with pedophiles because they are born that way. I think not!
They choose to lust after children and it is a sick and wicked choice.

I will never sympathize with the wicked of this world who blatantly reject our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

And I will protect my children .
I feel that is what the Lord would have me to do.
1 Timothy 8:5- But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

I believe providing also includes protecting .

Faith

Anonymous said...

I don't know that God did hate Esau in the way we view hate. It is all about context.

The bible says that God is love.

1 John 4:8 "He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

We also see that we are to love our enemies.

Luke 6:27-28 "But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

Matthew 5:46 "For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?"

Romans 12:14 "Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not."

Jesus prayed for the Roman soldiers while he was on the cross, asking the Father to forgive them.

When Peter struck out in the flesh and cut the servant's ear off, Jesus healed the servant's ear.

Also, as far as Satan and love. Satan is not a human being. He is a fallen angel. God commands us to love other humans, not fallen angels.

Anonymous said...

"I don't know that God did hate Esau in the way we view hate. It is all about context"

didn't read the spurgeon link lilianna?

Knowjesustoo said...

The Word also says "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness" (Rom 1:18).

In reality, biblical understanding cannot be attained with a verse here or there. We have to study to show ourselves approved unto The Lord. I have so much more joy in The Lord because I've been set free from much life-long deception (in many areas); He heals me daily; and I've been able to study the Word in a way I never was able to before.

I am a woman, so any men reading this May need to stop since you most likely believe a woman should not teach a man. I take no offense to this, since the Bible does say this.

There are many verses to back up my summation below, but I don't need to bombard you with scripture. Just search the Word to see for yourself (as the Bereans).

Yes God is love; but many verses point to the fact that God hates sin. (He did wipe out nearly ALL of His creation in the flood, do to His wrath over mankind's sin). We are to to "abhor evil, and cling to what is good". We are to separate from the wickedness in this world, and to have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but reprove them.

We are not to judge those in the world or hate them (their sin already condemns them). We ARE to evaluate /judge the fruit of anyone calling himself/herself a believer; but not in a haughty, self-righteous manner. We are to do what we can to convince a sinning Believer to repent and be reconciled to God and The Body. Using the methods Jesus and Paul taught in going to a believer who has wronged you, turn away from them if all efforts are met with resistance/no repentance (but that's not called for with non-believers, although I suppose we could still tell the how they've wronged us. Some may repent).

There's so much more, of course. I do not see that we are to hate people; but rather to hate wickedness and have no part in it.

So, we ask, what about someone who has done evil to us? I've been through more than I'd ever want anyone to endure ... And I'm sure there are some who've had it worse than me. I can joyfully attest that with God, ALL things are possible. Hope ..... Does not disappoint.

We have to be willing to lay our burdens at the cross, at Jesus' feet. Yes, we will hurt. But He's proven to me time and again that He is so faithful, no matter how hurt or angry I am. My heart is to walk purely before Jesus, not to please man, but God; so a lot of prayer and daily encouragement is necessary. Some days will be harder than others. But don't lose hope. The joy of The Lord is our strength.

I'm sorry this is so long. I hope someone can benefit from this.

Grace

Anonymous said...


BB said,
“I do not believe God wants us to hate anyone, however when it comes to luciferians [those who are reprobates, seared etc] does this mean LOVE them like Christian brothers and sisters?

This is a rather extreme comparison, comparing a reprobate and a Christian seems rather peculiar way to defend a position about when we are to hate (not love) other people.
I asked what it means to hate in the biblical context.
I can understand when it comes to the Luciferians how one can decide that they are sold out to evil therefore we should no longer pray for certain individuals and scripture does give support to that, but in those cases in scripture there was a direction from God not to pray for them, I do not believe we can decide on our own who is reprobate(beyond prayers), it would take God leading us or in this case not leading us to pray.
I do believe people have left the Luciferian cult, I happen to believe that the Svali account /story on the internet has some truth to it. She did horrible things as a member of this cult.
I think it really comes down to the understanding of the word hate in the Bible, I find no evidence that ‘miseo” “hate “ involves emotion it does not include anger or emotional "againstness" that modern English generally situates in the word "hate," but rather describes one's relational orientation towards another. Put simply, if one is impure -- if one is spiritually sick -- that one is to be avoided, hated.
------This makes sense to me and I would say that if you hate with emotion anyone even the Luciferian or the pedophile it will be hard over time to contain that emotion. I think that is part of Satan’s game to make us hate (in the ungodly hate). I have gone done that path so I am just trying to warn you!

Grace I appreciated your post and totally agree.

Angela Lina

Anonymous said...

Faith,

I understand what you are saying. I would have a very difficult time knowing that there was a pedophile living nearby when my children were young.

You must first and always protect your family. When I was a young mom I could not even deal with the knowledge of such things, so I do understand all your emotion.

I do not believe they are born that way nor do I believe we should sympathize.

Yet he has not sinned against you personally so I do not believe that it is about forgiving him.

Even if he should claim to repent and become a Christian I would still be very cautious. I think in a situation like this I would just pray and yet always keep my distance. We have to be wise in all situations.

We are tested in so many ways each day in this world we live in.

Angela Lina

Anonymous said...

Thank-you KnowJesusToo..I appreciate what you wrote.I will ponder it further...
Faith, I don't believe we have to be around those who don't repent. As far as forgiveness, I am not sure. There are situations where it is someone like a parent or spouse.I struggle with that.I am sure I don't have to be around them, but I am still praying about the forgiveness part..And I don't judge you for your feelings about this stalker..
I agree the churches have peddled this,"just overlook everything and call it forgiveness"...
We are to reprove people..Or is it rebuke. My head is foggy today..

Anonymous said...

I don't have much time to be on the internet but I check this site out for the new articles when I can and I have responded to some of them when I feel moved to. Lilliana has always been very nice to me and though I consider myself to be a discerning person, I never noticed anything wrong about her, other than I disagree with her point of view sometimes, such as the discussion she and I had about praying in tongues. Me being a former Pentecostal, I tell people to stay out of anything taught in Pentecostal and Charismatic movements and she is one that feels the gifts are for now. But I moved on from the conversation without really investing too much into it and have periodically had her speak with me on a couple of other posts. Again, she was always very sweet and encouraging. I felt she was just someone with more time on her hands to be writing her thoughts here so if this is the case, I feel bad that she has had several people blast her on here. However, I feel Lilliana would be best to not get into tug of war accusations with the people because it shows an immaturity to say, "I'm not this or that, you are!" So, anyway, it's sad that there is this much mistrust amongst Christians online because with churches being in the worldly condition they are in, one would hope they could find a group of discerning Christians to fellowship with. But like one of the other bloggers pointed out, my faith is in Christ so it's not going to devastate me to not find Christian friends online. It's just sad though. Makes me glad that my discernment website is just one where people I witness to (through handing out tracts)can go and see what I've written about other false religions and denominations so they can compare them to Biblical Christianity, (and not get deceived by the counterfeits) and that I've left NO place for comments from the readers, because I don't think I could handle imposters writing on there to confuse things or stir up trouble. I have been thinking of having a separate email attached though for those who may have legit questions or responses but I certainly don't want chaos on my website that new potential believers would read and get all mixed up! I am not sure how Bible Believer stays with this website if there are so many fakes emailing her all of the time - seems it would be pretty discouraging to have to weed through it all. Well, I did notice that Lilliana did not respond past a certain point and I am not sure if that's because she realized people were able to find out that she is Mary White and I guess posted some questionable things on Ephesians 5:11, or if she has hurt feelings. If it's the latter, then I feel bad for her - I used to be a zealous Christian, outspoken and always trying to encourage and help people, but it was too much I guess and people didn't like it. Of course that was when I was a Pentecostal and I learned over time there is a lot of pride in that denomination, so hopefully I've changed since then. Well, blessings to the true Christians on here . . . . .

Lori

Anonymous said...

""I don't know that God did hate Esau in the way we view hate. It is all about context"

"didn't read the spurgeon link lilianna?"

Sorry, I'm not a female. You know what they say about assumptions. They make a donkey out of you and me.

As far as a Spurgeon link. Well, even Spurgeon can be wrong. He did support calvinism after all.

Anonymous said...

Here is an interesting article about God and Him hating sinners.

http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=2035

Altho, I don't know much about the writer of the article. So I am not endorsing everything he says.

Bible Believer said...

"I am not sure how Bible Believer stays with this website if there are so many fakes emailing her all of the time - seems it would be pretty discouraging to have to weed through it all."

It can get difficult, thanks for understanding. Sometimes doing this blog is not easy. LOL

Bible Believer said...

Interesting article.

I was a sinner and God loved me enough to save me.

Bible Believer said...

I am praying about this issue now, where is one spiritually to be with the "given over" wicked, and the seared. What if you know a sociopath? Who does not even have normal human emotions or attachments or the ability to repent? I believe at a certain point these people make their choice to become what they are. I do not think God wants us hanging out focusing on hating people even the most wicked. Our first duty is to AVOID THEM [maybe that definition of "hate" is okay] and get away. I compared the two, the loved Christian brother and sister with the reprobate because there are tons of false churches that teach out there, that the same love is to be applied to all. They teach false love and enabling of evil.

Yes scripture gives support for not praying for those long ago handed over to Satan. Reprobates, seared the wicked, Satan's servants.

I do think we need led by God to know who is in what category and yes even among the Luciferians there seems to be a "rebel" once in a while who breaks out.


I agree with your discussion of the modern use of the word "hate".

One thing we are told in scripture is not to seek revenge and the modern definitions of hate and revenge kind of go together.

I believe a pit a Christian can fall into is definitely hate and it is a place Satan can lead a person to bitterness and sin. Their "hate" may even have reason to exist on one level dealing with the very wicked but here we have to listen to scriptural warnings against bitterness. I have dealt with some very wicked people in my life including full blown sociopaths. [total seared] I know hate is dangerous in that it can eat someone alive.

Psalm 26 King James Version (KJV)

26 Judge me, O Lord; for I have walked in mine integrity: I have trusted also in the Lord; therefore I shall not slide.

2 Examine me, O Lord, and prove me; try my reins and my heart.

3 For thy lovingkindness is before mine eyes: and I have walked in thy truth.

4 I have not sat with vain persons, neither will I go in with dissemblers.

5 I have hated the congregation of evil doers; and will not sit with the wicked.

6 I will wash mine hands in innocency: so will I compass thine altar, O Lord:

7 That I may publish with the voice of thanksgiving, and tell of all thy wondrous works.

8 Lord, I have loved the habitation of thy house, and the place where thine honour dwelleth.

9 Gather not my soul with sinners, nor my life with bloody men:

10 In whose hands is mischief, and their right hand is full of bribes.

11 But as for me, I will walk in mine integrity: redeem me, and be merciful unto me.

12 My foot standeth in an even place: in the congregations will I bless the Lord.

With these folks we are biblically commanded to depart and well modern "hate" takes energy and focusing on them, and well we need to give them over to the Lord and focus on Jesus Christ.

Bible Believer said...

Adding to the above, there is nothing with wrong with hating wickedness itself.

Knowjesustoo said...

BB, will you pray about and study what a believing spouse is supposed to do in the case of a seemingly reprobate husband/wife?

I'm praying for you, the participates here, and your site.

Grace

Anonymous said...

Thanks BB - Kind of what I was saying but much clearer! Also taking the whole bible and not just that one line "love your enemy". The whole counsel of God. And yes we were all sinners saved by God.Thank-you BB!

Jane said...

I suspect Pope Francis may be the false prophet. The false prophet is a religious leader while the antichrist is a political leader. such as BHO.

Anonymous said...

"BB, will you pray about and study what a believing spouse is supposed to do in the case of a seemingly reprobate husband/wife?"

1 Peter 3:1-2 "Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; While they behold your chaste
conversation coupled with fear.

In other words, if you are married to an unbeliever, you keep acting like a christian in hopes that you win them to Christ eventually. They see your example as a christian and that may perhaps persuade them.

1 corinthians 7:12-14 "But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

In other words, a believer should not divorce their unbelieving spouse. God takes marriage seriously, even marriage to an unbeliever.



Knowjesustoo said...

Anon, my question was directed at BB due to the article she is preparing; and I was wondering if she planned to include such a situation in her article.

I know full well that God takes marriage seriously, and so do I.

Grace

Bible Believer said...

The scriptures have some instructions but full blown reprobate? Yes that is a complex issue. I would think God would free a believer from such a situation. If a non-believer leaves an unequally yoked marriage, the Christian is not in bondage. The Christian is supposed to stay with a nonbeliever happy to be with them. In most cases, someone that reprobate would cheat or leave of their own accord which would free the spouse that was the believer.

There is nothing wrong I believe with a Christian leaving abuse or other wickedness and separating themselves from that. Let's say someone is born again and married to someone who becomes a crime-ridden drug dealer, or an overt Satanist. God may not mandate divorce in that case [time for repentance] but separating yourself from the evil, would not be against His will. In prayer God would allow one to know if spouse was a reprobate.

I agree a believer should not divorce a nonbelieving spouse save for cheating on their end, or if the nonbeliever leaves them.

I do believe in the future if a spouse takes the mark of the beast, one is allowed to part ways at that point too. That is physical mark of reprobation.

1 Cor 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

Bible Believer said...

Concerning abuse....

The final step is removal from the relationship. Matthew 18 says to separate from the unrepentant offender. I Tim. 5:8 says a man who does not provide for his family (provision = financial, spiritual, emotional protection and leadership) has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. God calls an unrepentant abusive spouse an unbeliever. That is not my judgment; it is God’s. I Cor. 5:11 says believers are not to associate with, are not even to eat with, a person who is verbally abusive (“railer”). And I Cor. 7:13-15 says that if an unbelieving spouse removes (walks away from the marriage covenant – which can include staying in the house but leaving the relationship) himself from the marriage, the believing wife is to let him go. It may seem backwards for the believing wife to leave – but we have to remember that the “leaving” happens when a spouse does violence to his house (Mal. 2:13-16). The believing wife who removes to safety is not the one who abandoned the relationship.

http://dannimoss.wordpress.com/articles/abuse-in-the-christian-home/does-god-want-me-to-stay-in-an-abusive-marriage/

Anonymous said...

Absolutely agree with BB on 12:29pm comment.Very well said again! Also, dannimoss.wordpress makes some very good points on her website.

Tomasz D said...

Are you born again? Catholic answer. http://youtu.be/8ZOt7dbrpOY

Tomasz D said...

It is kind of ironic that RC loses all these people that did not know Jesus , and RC gains all these bright ex-Protestant Biblical scholars who understood that the full Christian faith includes Sacraments, The Eucharist, and participation in the Mystical Body of Christ - his Church.

Bible Believer said...

LOL I used to read Steve Ray's website. He even had a forum. I got banned from it if I remember correctly this was years and years ago for bringing up RCC interfaith issues. Ironic all those "baptized" people saw nothing wrong with the Pope praising Allah of Islam or having Vodouns pray to their demons in the Assisi monastery.

False religions claim that baptism saves. It is silly because I was given the Catholic baby bath at the age of 9 days and became a full-blown pagan while UU. Hmm rituals of no effect.

Steve Ray writes about this issue elsewhere in an article called "Are You Born Again?"

"Too bad many Evangelicals and Fundamentalists refuse to see it but the Bible is pretty clear about new birth through the sacrament of baptism. Jesus is not ambiguous in this matter and he is alluding quite clearly to new beginnings in the Old Testament. The Early Church is also very clear and so is the teaching of the Catholic Church today.

(Picture to right is the place in the Jordan River where Jesus was baptized. Click for larger image.)

St. Augustine said, “Who is so wicked as to want to exclude infants from the kingdom of heaven by prohibiting their being baptized and born again in Christ?”

When someone asks me “Have you been born again?“ I simply answer “Absolutely, but I’ve been born again the Bible Way!“
- See more at: http://www.catholic-convert.com/blog/2014/02/16/are-you-born-again/#sthash.QB7I5jfr.dpuf"

They have to push sacraments for salavation to prop up the system and make their priests indispensable.

This I what Jesus said about being born again...


John 3:7King James Version (KJV)

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.


Salvation is by faith not by works

Titus 3:5—“Not by WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which WE HAVE DONE, but according to His mercy He saved us.”



2 Timothy 1:9—“Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS.”



Ephesians 2:8-9—“For by grace are ye saved THROUGH FAITH and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.”



Romans 3:28—“Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW.”



Romans 4:5—“But to him that WORKETH NOT, but BELIEVETH on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”

Anonymous said...

Spoken just like a true Jesuit!!
Pope Francis is also a Jesuit Priest
too!
The Jesuit order of the Catholic church are strongly opposed to true
biblical based christanity!
The Vatican is pushing for a one-world religion in which they will control at the top.
In other words a very subtile form of devil worship!

mary-louise watkins-scott said...

Catholicism is based mostly on Biblical principles, but while the Bible is the word of god it is not the only way God speaks to His people. those that believe in a personal relationship with Jesus christ evidently believe this too. That being said, Jesus did not start a religion that goes off one by one to have personal relationships. It is a communal religion in which people support and challenge one another in their beliefs and have some kind of leadership to guide them. If we read the Acts of the Apostles and the Epistles, we find a developing formal administrative church, not a free for all. Most religions have leadership, and the people in the pew follow the words of someone about what the Bible is saying. I've been Catholic, looked into Baptist and Jehovahs Witnesses and was Methodist for 22 years. I returned to the Catholic church because nowhere else was my relationship with Jesus nurtured and developed as much as in the Catholic church.

Bible Believer said...

Catholicism is not based on biblical principles and lies to people when they teach that their tradition and leadership is on part with God's Word. I am ex-Catholic and educated by nuns, and know while some of the post Vatican II types will make a few nods about having a personal relationship with "jesus" the Catholic church teaches a false "jesus" and worships one in its Eucharist. The Popes are antichrist and there is no where in scripture where a Pope is mandated. It is sad to me you were Methodist and went back to the Catholic church but the United Methodist church is so liberal, this does not surprise me. I pray you find out the truth and know the true Jesus Christ. Please do not diminish God's Word as taught by the Catholic church.

connie b said...

Very sad, Jesus did warn us in his word. We are that much closer to one world government and then you know who comes next believes,,,Pray Pray Pra