Tuesday, July 15, 2014

Evangelicals and the Pope

"On 23 June 2014, Francis had several evangelicals as his guests at the Vatican where he had lunch with them.

Among those in attendance were the following:

John and Carol Arnott - Founders of Catch The Fire
Kenneth Copeland - Founder of Kenneth Copeland Ministries
James Robison - Founder of Life Outreach International
Geoff Tunnicliffe - Head of Worldwide Evangelical Alliance
Tony Palmer - Bishop & International Ecumenical Officer of the Communion Evangelical Episcopal Churches
Thomas Schirrmacher - Protestant theologian and author of 74 books on religion
Brian Stiller - Global Ambassador of the World Evangelical Alliance"

Source for pictures and text above: [warning Trad Catholic website: Call Me Jorge Blog]

High Fives with the Pope and Articles from Apostates for the One World religion. [the Trad Catholic author of this blog needs to realize he needs to come out of Rome completely and be born again]

Lunch with the Pope:




http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2014/07/evangelicals-meet-with-francis.html

"We got a Pope Who's The Real Deal!"



James Robison definitely is on the ecumenical bandwagon.

James Robison Leading Protestants to Rome

John and Carol Arnott, they are part of the third wave world aren't they? The Toronto Airport Blessing...all sorts of charismatic nonsense. Look at the woman in this video about to have seizures...that is not of God. Let's keep in mind the Roman Catholic church infiltrated via the Pentecostal movement, you will notice their representatives are heavy in this meeting.




Geoff Tunnicliffe on behalf of the Evangelical World Alliance seeks unity with the Roman Catholic church. Don't let the mentioning of "significant differences", excuse this guy, remember the "unity in diversity" formula for the one world religion.



Brian Stiller preaches the world social justice gospel:



"We reminded each other of the importance of peace in our world":



Notice he preaches the same false message of the Pope about "world peace" which they use to sell their apostasy and selling out to the antichrist Pope.

Remember many denominations world wide belong to the Evangelical World Alliance:

Thomas Schirrmacher is part of the Luasanne Movement

   

The One World Religion Marches On

Rev. 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

88 comments:

Anonymous said...

thanks for the heads up bb. no surprise those wolves wanna be hangin with the pope...but the pic looks fake or maybe a wax pope...kinda like this with obammy http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1241&sid=8e48195931fc08f6e88eea45273164a5&start=120

thanks bb

Anonymous said...

I was looking at the high contrast colors in the picture, the pope in white the others in black or dark colors, that says a lot right there.

Then of course the red sash, red and blue ties to add into the mix.

Then of course there is always a lot more than meets the eye, like the layers and layers of deception behind the smiles and pretty clothes, and the sheeple who follow and make it all possible.

Sad face. :-( yet my hope is in Jesus and I know he will see us through.

Angela Lina





Bible Believer said...

Hey he may look like a wax dummy but that other blog has other photos of them eating lunch, Robison highfiving the Pope etc. Don't think those are fake. I always thought world leaders had "doubles" but that is a subject I chose not to write about at this point.

Bible Believer said...

Obama has a dummy he uses so he can go golfing? {referring to that video} Nothing would surprise me anymore LOL

Bible Believer said...

I've read they wear red/and or blue for masonic colors. No is wearing a purple or yellow tie.

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/colours.html

Also one of the Vatican rules is that "Protestants" wear black, notice they are all wearing black.

Pope wearing white as a symbol of being an "illuminated one"

Black and white like masonic duality checkerboard.

Yes Jesus Christ will see us through.

Bible Believer said...

correction above, NO was supposed to be NO ONE.

Anonymous said...

yea its probably not fake but it has that look. in this day and age, in regards to the world, I just assume everything is fake. This most recent fake down in texas where billy bob haskell, who is 33 and was married for 11 years to tina sue bop. where he supposedly killed 6 people but that one lil girl who likes to throw up the hail satan sign got away and has now raised over 300k for her ordeal....

http://fakeologist.com/forums/topic/texas-6-littered-supiciousness-story/

and for poor Cassidy stays story of resilience (and to see her salute satan)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2689936/Ill-family-one-day-Brave-girl-15-lost-parents-siblings-Houston-shooting-speaks-community-memorial-leaving-hospital.html

thankls bb...

Anonymous said...

What I find so blatantly fascinating in our churches is this....the pastor can preach blasphemy from the pulpit, quoting many of these false preachers and teachers instead of Jesus, the pew sitters sit on their couches at home and watch these very same people on TBN and godTV with their very souls believing every word that comes out of the mouths of these charlatans, and these same people speak boldly saying "Have you seen Kenneth Copeland's latest telecast", or "have you bought Joyce Meyer's latest book", or "have you seen the movie "Heaven is for Real," promoting, promoting, and promoting some more, the teachings of man.

But when you question the pew sitters' favorite human idol, or point out their false teaching.....the greatest and most hateful persecution will come from those same pew sitters that attend church every Sunday, many of whom are in leadership. And if you stick around their churches long enough, it won't be long before the abuse becomes so obvious that you will have to leave before your faith becomes shipwrecked.

And the Bibles remain closed, collecting dust, because we desire to be entertained and have mere man lord over us instead of allowing Jesus Christ to be our Cornerstone, our Head.

It seems to me that Jesus' Name and His teachings can be blasphemed, but you dare not come against man's favorite preacher man/or woman. How absurd is this?

Bible Believer said...

Yes sadly that is how it works, the cult of personality with the head narcissist in the pulpit receiving all the acclaim, instead of the focus being on Jesus Christ. I have noticed all the fans of Joyce Meyer and the rest of them embracing everything else that is false like that "Heaven is for real" movie. NDEs fool people, I know someone who believed as a result of an NDE that everyone goes to heaven no matter what religion they are. They rejected Christ to the end. They do become hateful if you stand against false preachers. I have lost friends for doing so in the past. One usually has no choice but to leave at that point. I know it bothers me that there are so so so many fooled. I am praying more hear Jesus and follow Him. "My sheep hear my voice" The followers of these preachers definitely are not.

Bible Believer said...

Anon above, I didn't hear about that murder case. I believe they are setting up false flags and false events kind of as an experiment on manipulation. In the pictures from the British article, I knew it was fake just looking at the girl. No girl who had her whole family wiped away would have behavior like that. She is smiling too brightly and well the blatant Satan hand sign is the mocking marker, that the elites and others are so good at doing, daring for others to "see" but realizing very few will. Yes so much is fake in this world. In the book 1984, false news is produced and they are doing it already now TODAY.

Anonymous said...

I think I've told this story before on here but I still think it bears repeating even though it is obvious James Robinson is not to be trusted because of this photo with the Pope and because of his guests on his show. But this story is telling in a deep way I think so here goes: Back when I was a Pentecostal I was invited to go and hear James Robinson speak, he was coming to our area, and I went. I expected the jovial and loving man I would see on his television show but that was not who he was that night. He said he had just gotten out of prayer and had a word from God about something that was about to happen in the world but he couldn't tell us what it was. He was very dark in mood the whole time and went on and on about God's judgement and seemed full of fear. And he was actually pretty creepy and scary in how he came across. I was a new Christian but knew that if this man could be this disturbed and disturbing to us in the audience that there was some demonic oppression going on. I never watched him again on television, and that's before I was mature enough to know something was wrong with Beth Moore and his other guests. It was just his night and day personality that made me not believe his show persona anymore. Now that I am completely out of Pentecostalism I think they all are faking for the cameras and are hiding the demonic oppression they live with. And of course nothing catastrophic happened after that speaking engagement that was a known judgement from God - I watched for something in the news - so James Robinson was just lied to by some entity he thought was God and then passed it onto whoever believed his speech that night. This kind of thing happens all of the time in Pentecostal churches, someone gets a 'word' and it never comes to pass. It's a denomination for people who love drama! But fortunately God gave me a heart for truth more than my old nature's desire for drama and I somehow knew not to put stock into it his prophecy! That event was one of the turning points for me to eventually leave Pentecostalism so I am grateful I got to go that night.

Now if I could just see some of my former Pentecostal friends stop following all of these television preachers, especially Kenneth Copeland, whom they all put on a pedestal. But I am afraid very few people make it out of Pentecostalism's brain-washing and idol-worship. Makes sense they would worship the Pope since they worship anyone famous.

Blessings,
Lori

Within His Word said...

Yes, the "pope" wears all white, because he is the "man of light". The others around him ALWAYS have to wear something very dark, black preferably, so they will send the message, "we are in darkness compared to the great one, the light".

Its origins is from zoroastrianism, just another satanic doctrine picked up from paganism and put into catholicism. A bunch of evil men and women standing around the man of evil in that picture.

Marion said...

I believe that is why TV was invented to begin with... "news", "education", filth brought in to control the masses. Afterall, look at the great success in causing widespread pandemonium, just via radio with War of the Worlds and Oson Wells (I believe...a test balloon - HIGHLY successful). In light of that...how much MORE effective to add actors, pictures and music? The Tv watching BELIEVING public are...sitting ducks (a pun - haha).

Anonymous said...

you know its funny because war of the worlds psyop was real but none of that stuff reported, even then, was real. plenty of info on that on the web. I agree televilvision was brought out for the sole purpose of mind control and brainwashing. It is a flickering image we watch that puts a man into a suggestive state, mostly subconscious. A powerful sorcery indeed. I believe that most news has been engineered for all of the 20th century and even before.

sorry bb for posting that fake story in texas here as its off topic. Media fakery is going to be a HUGE deal in the latter days (it already is: titanic, gulf of Tonkin, 9/11, sandy hook, boston...It is difficult for believers to believe that these events have no real victims and that these family members really aren't family members etc.,...But anyone that performs honest research into this phenomenon will discover that there is something going on. None of the gatekeepers such as, alex "bill Hicks" jones, david icke, and glenn beck and rush and Hannity and rense and matt drudge and Rachel maddow etc., etc., None of them will entertain, speculate, research, debunk or even talk about media fakery and that should tell us something. Edward snowden is fake. a complete simulated entity. How many more are there and what else is coming besides, " and he gives power to the image of the beast"

Sorry bout the rant. Back to the Copeland bunch....

Anonymous said...

Thank you for bringing up Cassidy Stay, the girl whose family was murdered. I thought the same thing as she was speaking to the crowd on TV. She was smiling and quoting the Harry Potter series: "Happiness can be found even in darkest of times, if one remembers to turn on the light." And then she gave the satanic hand salute.

The whole thing was kinda surreal.

Anonymous said...

Apostate. .and your right about the clothing and zoroastrianism, never saw it before but I agree..

Anonymous said...

Funny how that Malaysian airlines flight was 33,000 feet above ground when those mean Russians shot it down huh? Oh and 23 americans on board which is 32 backwards

Anonymous said...

Within His Word,
The information you quote is from a well known website (be careful with this information) and various other places on the internet. While I too find the black and white interesting, there have been people that have met the pope wearing other colours, indeed even white.

“In the past, rigid dress codes had to be followed by those granted a papal audience. Although no longer mandatory, the traditional dress code is quite strict. For a general audience; smart business professional attire (i.e. a suit and tie or equivalent for ladies) is acceptable. The suit should be dark and ladies should ideally not wear slacks anywhere in the Vatican………The Vatican subsequently pointed out that the traditional form of dress worn for papal audiences was no longer obligatory.” (wikipedia)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/1516991/White-outfit-wrong-occasion-Cherie.html

I do not want to sound harsh but how as Christians can we make such connections as though they are truth. We do not know who the illumanited ones are, all we can truly know are those that contradict scripture by their Own Words and Deeds. While what they wear, hands signs and symbols are good topic for discussion, evil is a complex system in this world, there is no truth in evil(Satan) it is built on lies and deception. The only truth we know about evil and Satan is from scripture when it comes to the Reality of it in our world, which is different than truth I would be very cautious.
Thoughts?
Angela Lina

A wise man fears and departs from evil,
But a fool rages and is self-confident.

Prov 14:16

Anonymous said...

Something to remember when we are abused for our faith in this ever growing apostasy when all are not who they appear to be but are disguised as angels of light:

“Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

“Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you,

and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.

Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Disciples and the World
“You are the salt of the earth;

but if the salt has become tasteless, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men.

“You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden;

nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.

Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

Matthew 5; 10-16

Amen!!! ((:
Praise Jesus, my victory is in Jesus indeed, and He was trampled my enemies under His feet and vindicated me. He will take all weapons fashioned against His people and cause them to come down upon our enemies heads instead.

So it is with all who are IN Christ.

(:

Anonymous said...

Anon - what do you mean 23 is 32 backwards?Why is that signifacant?

Bible Believer said...

I agree James Robinson is not to be trusted, definitely, I pegged him as ecumenical years ago. I would think if the loving and jovial stuff is an act, it can only be maintained so long. That is weird he even said anything about something happening and then clammed up. Sounds like he was laying bait for the audience. I would think there would be a spiritual reason for the way he came across to you. I think they fake for the camera. I agree about the demonic oppression. Some know they sold their soul to Satan to deceive. I never trusted the drama of Pentecostalism, so glad you are out of it. Yes I have heard of false prophecies where the church members will even say God gave me a word you will get money or get sick, etc etc.

I agree the celebrity worship is translating to Pope worship. The majority of Pentecostals I have met support the Pope.


Yes he wears the white to be the "light" one among the "dark" ones. Kind of reminds me of Star Wars except Darth Vader wears black and all the Jedi knights wear white. Those symbols are everywhere.


I agree Marion, predictive programming and brainwashing of the masses via television. They can now lie to millions and have them all accept it. Like the double-Malaysian plane thing? I wondered if they used wreckage from the old one to make the "new" wreckage. Maybe I am too suspicious but this thought I had the other day. They know how to pull heart strings and create outrage. This time a new Lusitania for their lusted for wars?

Anonymous said...

forwards and backwards like OTO Crowley taught. thus 23 is 32 and significant in masonry. 23 is significant too dna and all that. 'they" put these numbers into all of their rituals in the media and elsewhere. is usually an identifier for ritual hoaxes. seems this could be the gulf of Tonkin for ww3. Winners and losers are already decided. anyway the message the msm is pushing is putin bad, Obama confused and weak, all kinds of "radioactive" material missing, open borders....hmmmm and its all manufactured to ultimately lead to the appearance of prophecy being fulfilled and whole bunch of counterfeits. No one knew the time of their visitation during Jesus Christs life, death and resurrection but we all think we got it mostly figured out this time....meanwhile, satan plods on

Bible Believer said...

Have any of you read the book 1984. In it, they talk about the created news and showtimes, and well we are there now. Sandy Hook and Boston were fake, I wonder what else has been? You are right this is an untouchable topic for just about all the gatekeepers. Snowden definitely could be a fake. Many whistleblowers don't make it or if they have something to really tell us, their stories would be SUPPRESSED from the news.

The girl doing the satanic hand salute, yes total fake. No one has that bright of a smile with a whole family dead. Maybe another Mk ultra victim? I went to go watch the video after reading the discussion here, TOTALLY CREEPED OUT.

33,000 feet, 23 Americans [well 32]

Funny how the masonic numbers are always there for markers.

There are people allowed to wear white with the Pope. I forget what standing they have to have. Maybe it is even a masonic/elite/luciferian thing where they reach a certain level. The Queen was allowed to wear a normal dress around the Pope recently. Maybe she got a promotion.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/04/lilac-dress-queen-meets-pope-francis-win-women

I agree about being cautious about some of these discussions Angelica Lina. We don't want censored but I try to keep this place from becoming Vigilante Citizen.

Thanks for the scriptures anon.

Psalm 37
Psalm 36Psalm 38

Psalm 37 King James Version (KJV)

37 Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.

2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.

3 Trust in the Lord, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.

4 Delight thyself also in the Lord: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.

5 Commit thy way unto the Lord; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.

6 And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday.

7 Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.

8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.

9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth.

10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.

Anonymous said...

forgot to throw this in:
http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1732


last post is great with that "rituals" bag. everything is so nice and tidy. unscathed passports like 911. they have fixed it now. LOL

Heres another place to check out some odd things about this "fake false flag?".

http://fakeologist.com/forums/topic/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17/

Bible Believer said...

Yes putting words and numbers backwards. I agree these are ways to mark the rituals and let those in the "know" now. There is some crazy stuff coming all at once, it is increasing [we are in the days of Rumors of wars] I have barely kept up with it all. Sometimes I have to take days away from current events for prayer and just dwelling on other things.
I agree about fake prophecies, and things going that way all to set up things for the Antichrist so the world accepts him as the messiah.

Anonymous said...

Rumors of wars could be...the war on terror since it is entirely fake...the war on drugs? and any other wag the dog, fake wars, orchestrated wars (ww1 and ww2 and ww3?)

Yea bb they are really ramping up the agenda. seems pretty soon we wont be able to get real info on the internet.

What if space travel is a hoax? What if nuclear bombs are a hoax? What if the earth does not move and is the center of the universe and the sun and moon operate as God says and not Copernicus? What if all the kings of nations are deceived by freemasonry, Talmudic zionism, and false signs and lying wonders? The veil is coming off.....foolish to ponder these things or accept what an unsaved world believes as truth?

Bible Believer said...

Yes rumors of wars would fit all those. You got that right. The war on terror was false from the start. I of course have written about all world wars being orchestrated on this blog before. [this blog is 4 years old so sometimes I am not sure what newer readers have seen]

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/search?q=Pike

I agree our time of real info on line will be shortened.

This won't be new to longer time readers but I do not believe we ever have been on the moon. I take massive ribbing for this one real life for those few I have told. There are scientific things I have even considered with space travel. How does anything burn to get a rocket to travel when there is no outside atmosphere? I've been called mad for saying the moon landings were faked. I read literally YEARS ago that nuclear bombs were a hoax. I am not sure about that one. There seems to be a lot of witnesses at Hiroshima. What else would be fueling all the production of uranium? Anyhow that is a theory I need time to explore. With Copernicus, could the world be at the center? It's possible, one thing about analyzing the universe, is mapping where one actually is when you can't see the whole thing would be difficult. I would like to see the verses concerning that. Obviously if the Bible says something I am going to pay attention.

I consider Talmudic Zionism a member of Mystery Babylon under Rome's control with plenty of court rabbis paying homage to the Pope.
http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2013/04/those-who-want-you-to-blame-jews.html

Bible Believer said...

Those items DO look new. The suitcases look like they just came off the rack. Where are those pictures originally from?

Anonymous said...

those pics are from dailymail or rio novosti or Pravda perhaps. they should have the source listed...its a rule. good start on the nuke hoax here.

http://heiwaco.tripod.com/index.html

or

http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2346145

Great observation on rockets and vaccums you are correct. plenty of info on that at the above 2 links.

any believer that believes human space travel is possible probably also thinks that the tower of babel was just a building made with burned bricks. Space travel, moon landings, mars voyagers its all nonsense...Jeremiah 51:17

There are many scriptures dealing with the earth and its foundations and the sun and the moons path each day:

Joshua 8:29 ...as soon as the sun was DOWN... 10:13 And the sun STOOD STILL, and the moon stayed...So the sun STOOD STILL in the midst of heaven, and HASTED NOT TO GO DOWN about a whole day.

Judges 5:31 ...but let them that love him be as the sun when he GOETH FORTH in his might. 8:13 And Gideon the son of Joash returned from battle before the sun was UP, 9:33 And it shall be, that in the morning, as soon as the sun is UP.. 14:18 And the men of the city said unto him on the seventh day before the sun WENT DOWN... 19:14 ...the sun went down upon them

Psalms 50:1 ...RISING of the sun unto the GOING DOWN thereof. 104:19 He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his GOING DOWN. 104:22 The sun ARISETH... 113:3 From the RISING of the sun unto THE GOING DOWN of the same the LORD's name is to be praised.

Ecclesiastes 1:5 The sun also ARISETH, and the sun GOETH DOWN, and HASTETH to his place where he AROSE.

Isaiah 38:8 ...So the sun RETURNED ten degrees, by which degrees it was GONE DOWN. 41:25 from the RISING of the sun 60:20 Thy sun shall no more GO DOWN; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself...

Amos 8:9 I will cause the sun TO GO DOWN at noon

Jonah 4:8 And it came to pass, when the sun did ARISE...

Habakkuk 3:11 The sun and moon STOOD STILL in their habitation...

Anonymous said...

ok so a couple of weeks ago Christine lagarde, imf harlot, gave this weird speech

http://peoplestrustmalaysia.wordpress.com/2014/07/01/occult-message-in-speech-by-christine-lagarde-of-imf-watch-out-for-july/

I am not into date watching or anything but this one is weird and it all seems to be coming together ... for instance, 7/25/2014 is 7 / 5+2=7/ 2+0+1+4=7 so that'd be 777. last week 7/16/2014 was another 777. im not trying to figure out if or when but it is an odd speech.

Anonymous said...

I do not endorse that site btw, just think the speech itself could be a tell or a red herring

Anonymous said...

"What if space travel is a hoax? What if nuclear bombs are a hoax? What if the earth does not move and is the center of the universe and the sun and moon operate as God says and not Copernicus?"

Yes, what if antibiotics are a hoax? What if computers are a hoax? What if cars are a hoax? What if the sky is not blue but really bluish? What if the world has four corners as God says in Revelation 7:1?

Anonymous said...

"How does anything burn to get a rocket to travel when there is no outside atmosphere?"

The rocket carries an oxygen tank and a fuel tank. They are mixed together in the rocket and the hot gas moves the rocket.

Anonymous said...

Oh and hey just a reminder about this in 2012....NWO nonsense all of this


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/17/us-russian-soldiers-train-together-in-colorado/

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"What if space travel is a hoax? What if nuclear bombs are a hoax? What if the earth does not move and is the center of the universe and the sun and moon operate as God says and not Copernicus?"

Yes, what if antibiotics are a hoax? What if computers are a hoax? What if cars are a hoax? What if the sky is not blue but really bluish? What if the world has four corners as God says in Revelation 7:1?



Im not sure if youre being sarcastic...but yeah the earth clearly has four corners according to scripture. a spherical flat earth with foundations. Im definitely on board with God's Word. Anti-biotics would translate to NO LIFE. Havent taken any since I was child. Im pretty sure cars are real but the desire for cars by men is a hoax, yes. Computers are real yep. A way to control mankind someday soon? probably. I guess you can call that a hoax. And Im pretty sure the sky is blue usually. Clearly you have a problem with observation. You can observe a sky, a car, a computer but you cannot observe earth from space, a nuclear detonation, an asstronot on the moon...without aid from a govt. source. I know its scary to think about anon

Anonymous said...

I read 1984 a few years ago along with Animal Farm, another good one.

The main character in 1984, Winston, works for the Ministry of Truth, but his job is to rewrite/revise history for the people to believe what the government wants the people to believe is going on.

The 'Two Minutes of Hate' gets people riled up and angry over an outside, probably imaginary, threat, diverting their anger away from the true source of their tightly controlled sad lives.

And there's doublethink. Holding two contradictory terms and believing both of them. Love is hate, war is peace, freedom is slavery.

Yeah, lots of mind control and things we can apply to our society today. Seems everywhere I turn I see references to our "Orwellian Society."

Anonymous said...

@ Anon - Concerning Revelation 7:1, you assigned a physical relationship to a spiritual description. Would you like to know why, Corinthians 2:14. Of course there is no NWO, that is why the Federal Reserve is part of our Government just like Federal Express. - Don

Anonymous said...

I am at work so I can't listen to the Christine Lagarde's speech that was referenced in anonymous's post: http://peoplestrustmalaysia.wordpress.com/2014/07/01/occult-message-in-speech-by-christine-lagarde-of-imf-watch-out-for-july/ but I read about it on that page and then went to another page that was referenced on that page http://ronmamita.wordpress.com/2014/01/28/what-was-significant-about-magic-7-in-christine-lagardes-global-speech/ and both times it talks about she was speaking on the 7 years of famine from the story in the Bible of Joseph in Egypt. Did anyone listen to the first video Bible Believer posted where the Pope talked about "how it was with the brothers who had to go to Egypt because of the famine and how Joseph had nothing but love for his brothers"? That really stood out to me all weekend because to me it was obvious the Pope was saying he was Joseph and the brothers who had done Joseph wrong were welcomed back into Joseph's good graces/help due to his loving heart. It was almost like he made that Bible story into the Prodigal Son story. So, he was saying through that Bible story (which he manipulated) that he will be there for those who want to return to the sheepfold because he has nothing but love for the "separated brethren". Sickening! But all of those Charismatics at that church swooned over his "message of love" - ha! Love, nothing! And now today for me to see how this political speech Christine Lagarde made was referencing this same Bible story it seems to me the Illuminati are going to mess with the economy to where people are hurting and it will cause people to go to the Catholic church for help, such as food. Hmmmm, there's definitely subtle messages going out from all of the world leaders that they are up to something to cause us to submit to them and be grateful for them for the help. Makes me sick to my stomach!!!

Blessings,
Lori

Anonymous said...

All the verses about the sun moving and being still.

That is called phenomenal language. It is language used to describe what man sees from his perspective.

Like Psalm 19:6 or Joshua 10:12-14

The bible does not teach geocentricity.






Anonymous said...

up until about 1950ish the biblical description of earth was widely accepted. spherical, flat on pillars. Before the satanic bibles and space travel. the god of this world guys! generations of us literally born in the matrix.


He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble.” Job 9:6

Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

“Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? … Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened?” Job 38:4-6

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.

"Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.” Only with a flat earth could tall tree be visible from “the earth's farthest bounds,” — this is impossible on a spherical earth.

Matthew 4:8: "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world"

Luke 4:5: "And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time."

Isaiah 11:12 "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."

Revelation 7:1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."


Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
All the verses about the sun moving and being still.

That is called phenomenal language. It is language used to describe what man sees from his perspective.

Like Psalm 19:6 or Joshua 10:12-14

The bible does not teach geocentricity

I'd have to disagree. Your statement reeks of MEN

Ephesians 511 Blog said...

Tony Palmer is dead.

Died after surgery following a motorcycle accident.

Anonymous said...

To the anon(s) that posted these paragraphs:


Im not sure if youre being sarcastic... .but yeah the earth clearly has four corners according to scripture. a spherical flat earth with foundations....... without aid from a govt. source. I know its scary to think about anon.

…up until about 1950ish the biblical description of earth was widely accepted. spherical, flat on pillars. Before the satanic bibles and space travel. the god of this world guys! generations of us literally born in the matrix.


This type of anti-intellectuallism, irrationality I believe does great harm to our mission of true Christians to promote God’s truth!

This type of thinking makes me more sad than the lies that Luciferians tell!

The earth is round and it does revolve around the sun and this does not contradict scripture when one rightly understands scripture as explained in a previous post about the types of expression in the bible.

I can only assume you have never been on a plane or even looked at the stars in the sky. The horizon is curved I have seen it with my own two eyes and the bible supports this and just watching how the stars move in the sky confirms the earth rotates around the sun.


Isaiah 40:22King James Version (KJV)
22 It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Angela Lina

Anonymous said...

To the anon(s) that posted these paragraphs:

Im not sure if youre being sarcastic... .but yeah the earth clearly has four corners according to scripture. a spherical flat earth with foundations....... without aid from a govt. source. I know its scary to think about anon.
…up until about 1950ish the biblical description of earth was widely accepted. spherical, flat on pillars. Before the satanic bibles and space travel. the god of this world guys! generations of us literally born in the matrix.


This type of anti-intellectuallism and irrationality I believe does great harm to our mission as true Christians to promote God’s truth!
The earth is round and it does revolve around the sun and this does not contradict scripture when one rightly understands scripture as explained in a previous post about the types of expression in the bible.

I can only assume you have never been on a plane or even looked at the stars in the sky. The horizon is curved I have seen it with my own two eyes and the bible supports this and just watching how the stars move in the sky confirms the earth rotates around the sun.


Isaiah 40:22King James Version (KJV)
22 It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:



Angela Lina

Anonymous said...

related news: http://www.charismanews.com/us/44726-bishop-tony-palmer-champion-of-unity-dies-in-motorcycle-accident

Anonymous said...

Just read on N4TM that Tony Palmer died Sunday. In a motorcyle accident.

Faith

Anonymous said...

Tony Palmer died this week. http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=23566

Anonymous said...

I can only assume you have never been on a plane or even looked at the stars in the sky. The horizon is curved I have seen it with my own two eyes and the bible supports this and just watching how the stars move in the sky confirms the earth rotates around the sun.


Umm ok and how does this observation prove the earth is round, you know, like Stanley Kubrick showed us all in 1968 with2001, followed shortly thereafter by the Apollyon moon mission? And please point me to scripture that states the earth revolves around the sun. I have been on many flights and observing the earth from 30,0000 feet reveals nothing.

The U.N. logo may be a hint and is a unique way to view the world as scripture describes IMHO.

Bible Believer said...

I don't believe the world is flat.

How did the flat earthers miss the bible verses where it said the world is a sphere.

We can see for ourselves that the world rotates. I write a friend in Australia and it is dark there when the sun is bright and shining here :/

I believe we have been lied too by NASA etc, and there is endless propaganda and lies, but going back to flat earth theories that decry even our own observances, is a bit much. Be careful of Jesuits and others selling you extreme fall through the middle other sides if you get my drift. You all know how I write about how they use the two ends against the middle, here is how it would work, they would use flat earth theories and extreme on that end to shut up people who question the mainstream "science" stuff like evolution and moon landings.

Bible Believer said...

I know for a fact I've seen a curve in the earth too. You can even see the curves looking at sun sets over big bodies of water.

Also the bible warns about the star of remphan. Explain that one

Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

Bible Believer said...

where are the pillars that flat earthers speak of?

Anonymous said...

you guys do not get that the earth can be a sphere and flat? Like I said, look at the UN logo for a clue. we are told who the god of this world is over and over but few can grasp just how big and how old the deceptions are...Most of you probably do not really believe that Jesus descended INTO the earth before his ascension. Where there was a great chasm separating the faithful from the godless.

Its not a salvation issue...yet... but the lies are in place for the coming NWO.

To say this hurts Christianity is laughable as the unsaved world tells YOU what truth is and STUPID MEN try to fit it into and around scripture. And then we confess to believe God's Word but really only where its comfortable. kinda funny how people get allmad n stuff, rather than praying about it and honestly studying scripture...All of our poor brethren before 1950 suffered from some flat earth JESUIT TEACHING? If the earth is a flat sphere than that would mean Jerusalem is the very center of the universe.

Carry on

Anonymous said...

and observing that it is daytime in some places on earth while it is night time in others is correct but does not prove that the earth moves. It does prove that the sun moves...A whole bunch of sun and moon worshippers in the field of science btw. In fact if you were to actually read the scripture I posted above you may have gleaned that there is zero evidence that the earth is spinning 1000mph as science says. ZERO. Especially in individual observation. Critical thought is required for this exercise

Anonymous said...

"where are the pillars that flat earthers speak of?"

There are no pillars, it is a figure of speech.

http://creation.com/pillars-of-the-earth-does-the-bible-teach-a-mythological-cosmology


Anonymous said...

"I'd have to disagree. Your statement reeks of MEN"

I shall give my statement some deodorant. Ofcourse it reeks of men, God uses men.

God used man to write His bible and spread His word. HE uses men to preach and teach the word. God became a man. So everything should reek of men.

Anonymous said...

"you guys do not get that the earth can be a sphere and flat? Like I said, look at the UN logo for a clue. "

You mean that the earth is a giant pancake? And this pancake must be held up by giant pillars, with God sitting on top of it and humans looking like grasshoppers?

Yeah, stupid men.

Bible Believer said...

It bears further research.

So you serious believe anon that the world is not a ball but like a flat piece of paper?

Am I reading you right?

and the sun moves above it all?

Hey I wondered about the moving through space spinning at 10,000 miles an hour stuff too.

I am hitting my dearth of science knowledge here on these topics. I am not a physicist.

I will tell you this, I do know enough that what they call scientific is not really. There is so much New Age nonsense in quantum physics and other theories now they don't even bother to prove anymore. Like the chaos theories.

I just don't conceive of the world as being a flat piece of paper, resting on what?

Isnt the ability to travel from NYC to Seattle the long way around proof the world is a sphere?

You see where I am going with this?

"Origins[edit]

Main article: Flat Earth

The idea that the Earth was flat was typical of ancient European cosmologies until about the 4th century BCE, when Ancient Greek philosophers proposed that the Earth was a sphere, or at least rounded.[4] Aristotle was one of the first Greek thinkers to propose a spherical Earth in 330 BCE. By the early Middle Ages, it was widespread knowledge throughout Europe that the Earth was a sphere.[5]"

And think of this too, wouldn't the flat earth society types be perfect in labeling everyone who didn't trust the moon landings story as all being crackpots?




Anonymous said...

the star of remphan is the star of david. symbol of 666. hexagram and all 6 points, 6 sides, 6 angles. I don't know what its relation to a flat earth would be though. Pillars must be there cause God says and anyone is free to believe that they are symbolic only...I found a few pics on a blog via google search. I have not read this ladies blog and make no endorsement, just check out the illustrations.

http://guardianguideandstay.blogspot.com/2012/03/hebrew-cosmology-poetry.html

Anonymous said...

Ugh friend.

Jeremiah 51:17

I do like the NASB translation for this one verse. The KJV verse takes time to understand for a dummie like me

yes God uses men

Anonymous said...

I also believe the earth is a sphere just like the sun and moon..
The bible also states the earth as being a circle . But I do not believe the earth is rotating. It is fixed in the firmament. The sun has a circuit.
This is what I understand when I read and study the bible. A good place that I started is the beginning . Gen. 1-2:7.

As I have said in a previous post, I think we all should study for ourselves the scriptures pertaining to this subject and let the Holy Ghost lead us to all truth.

Faith

Anonymous said...

The idea that the Earth was flat was typical of ancient European cosmologies until about the 4th century BCE, when Ancient Greek philosophers proposed that the Earth was a sphere, or at least rounded.[4] Aristotle was one of the first Greek thinkers to propose a spherical Earth in 330 BCE. By the early Middle Ages, it was widespread knowledge throughout Europe that the Earth was a sphere.[5]"

And think of this too, wouldn't the flat earth society types be perfect in labeling everyone who didn't trust the moon landings story as all being crackpots?

(All those folks are unsaved men I think.) Any of those guys glorify Jesus Christ in their lives? I ask because I do not know.


Yea I believe the earth is a flat sphere and only came to this truth since I was saved (4 years ago).

I. Because the Word of God says it
A. NASA are liars
B. AsstroNOTS (of the moon variety) were all freemasons. and liars. You ever wonder why the only 2 shuttle crashes also were the only 2 flights with civilians on board?
C. Evidence for appolyon hoax/moon overwhelming.

Keep in mind as well there are ZERO commercial flights over the antartica but many over North Pole.


Anonymous said...
"you guys do not get that the earth can be a sphere and flat? Like I said, look at the UN logo for a clue. "

You mean that the earth is a giant pancake? And this pancake must be held up by giant pillars, with God sitting on top of it and humans looking like grasshoppers?

Yeah, stupid men.

July 23, 2014 at 1:50 PM

dangerous way to express your disagreement....I mean, what if is flatish sphere? then your statement ....well you get it

Anonymous said...

I shall give my statement some deodorant. Ofcourse it reeks of men, God uses men.

God used man to write His bible and spread His word. HE uses men to preach and teach the word. God became a man. So everything should reek of men.

If everything reeks of men how do we, as born again believers in Jesus Christ separate from the world? And where does the god of this world fit in with your world view?

So this same God told men they couldn't build a tower in babel and thus confounded the language but now the same God lets us go to the moon?....and mars where the chinchillas are?

NOT AN EnDoRsEmENT

http://www.bollyn.com/are-there-chinchillas-on-mars-3/

Anonymous said...

http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1735

"let me now introduce you to the very first NASA administrator, T. Keith Glennan.

You may now wonder: what credentials / and previous professional experience did Mr Glennan have - so as to be chosen as the first administrator of NASA? Let's see what NASA's official website has to say about this:

Born in Enderlin, North Dakota, on September 8, 1905, Dr. Glennan earned a degree in electrical engineering from the Sheffield Scientific School of Yale University in 1927. Following graduation, he became associated with the newly developed sound motion picture industry, and later became assistant general service superintendent for Electrical Research Products Company, a subsidiary of Western Electric Company. During his career he was studio manager of Paramount Pictures, Inc., and Samuel Goldwyn Studios, and was briefly on the staff of Vega Airplane Corporation."
http://history.nasa.gov/Biographies/glennan.html

Why would a former studio manager of Hollywood film companies (and a previous superintendent for a joint which made loudspeakers for the movie industry) be chosen by the US government to head the newly-formed NASA organization? Was there really no better, more qualified candidate to lead this immensely ambitious and "highly scientific" American space program? Or was Mr Greenan, with his Hollywood background, a most appropriate candidate to launch what was to become, essentially, Hollywood's longest-running "reality show"?


http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1735



And BB you don't have to be a scientist to observe the earth is not moving. Common sense tells us that. Science is shrouded in elitist intellectual poop so we will be reticent to have a confident opinion

Anonymous said...

536 people have been to space. But they would all have had to be liars if the earth is really flat. All from different countries. Not sure if any of them are christian or not.

Plus, all footage, all pictures of the earth must be fake. All pictures of space.

Anonymous said...

"So this same God told men they couldn't build a tower in babel and thus confounded the language but now the same God lets us go to the moon?....and mars where the chinchillas are?"

Why would God care if we visited the moon? What would be sinful about it?

The tower of babel was a much different thing. You had Nimrod and the occult, doing only God knows what. Nimrod was evil. The tower was most likely a door way of some sort. Plus, God did not want man staying in one place. He wanted man to fill the earth. They gathered in one place in arrogance.

I also wonder why it would be important to hide the shape of the earth from the public.

I am not saying that we did land on the moon. I am simply saying that there would be nothing sinful about it.

As far as chinchillas on mars. Whatever happened to the little green men? That photo in the link does look like an animal. But it could be an optical illusion.

Anonymous said...

536 people have been to space. But they would all have had to be liars if the earth is really flat. All from different countries. Not sure if any of them are christian or not.

Plus, all footage, all pictures of the earth must be fake. All pictures of space.

July 23, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Your trying to veil your sarcasm. Its ok. I know this is tuff and you may just want to believe the best of mens hearts because your heart is pure and its hard to imagine the real condition .
of our hearts

Remember Jeremiah 17:9- The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it

and in case you didn't look it up here is Jeremiah 51:17 from the NASB:

All mankind is stupid, devoid of knowledge

God left No Room to wriggle out of Jer 51:17 :)


your first thought should be, "how many of these 536 people who have supposedly been in space really exist? How many are freemasons? I can say EVERY man on the moon was a freemason. If its all a big hoax production with other countries involved why would any sensible person believe that there are 536 people or even 5 people or just one person who have been into space just because said countries roll out some video from a landing pad in china or even florida or wherever. Gabby Giffords husband Mark is an asstroNOT and a liar. Im sure they could easily find another 535 liars that want money and recognition. God said NO to the Tower of babel but we freely travel to and fro the moon and now mars?

Jer 51:17
All mankind is stupid devoid of knowledge

1 John 2
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever

Anonymous said...

Plus, all footage, all pictures of the earth must be fake. All pictures of space


Yes ALL FAKE (is it really that hard to believe when you think about the compartmentalization?)

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:

"HE uses men to preach and teach the word"

Nope. The Spirit of Truth does that. NOT MEN.

You are in error

Anonymous said...

Someone needs to point out that the site we were referred to for an illustration of the pillars of the world is run by a Mormon (LDS) woman. Not really credible, as they deny Jesus as God, along with some other strange beliefs.

Bible Believer, I've been praying for you. I haven't commented in a while, but I have noticed much strangeness in the comments, think perhaps someone is trying to discredit your entire message. We had the Paul versus Jesus debate, the denial that Jesus is God, and the big discussion about whether Lilianna was sincere or here to create division. Whether she was sincere or not, she seems to have disappeared, and division was created.

Please everyone. The Bible is not an easy book. There are parts where we are left curious as to the back story, such as the Nephilim / Giant verses. There are places with hard teachings, and things that seem very strange through the filter of our modern culture. Parts where the heroes of the faith did not act very heroically, and probably would be embarrassed of the stories that remain for us.

Remember that probably none of us have it all the way figured out. Have some humility with showing ideas that might be odd or controversial. Maybe don't share it at all.

Jesus is God himself, come in the flesh as a mortal man, to lay down his life as a sacrifice for the remission of our sins. He did not walk around with a glow, in a white robe that never got dirty. He was a normal man, and yet he was fully God. He asks us to repent and follow him, for the kingdom of heaven is near.

God is good. Life is hard, unfair, full of sorrow, but God is good. We wish he made it easy for us, and really laid out all the history of the world so that it wasn't confusing and so easy to become deceived (at least I do). But hold on to what you DO know. Don't get too stuck on the speculations. And extend grace to others who are trying to figure it out, because this world is seriously trying to deceive and confuse. So go back to the basics of the faith and start there. Try, really try to persevere in your love for God and his word. And don't be quite so worried about the rest.

Start with the 10 commandments and the books of Deuteronomy and Psalms. David was a man after God's own heart and he loved the law of the lord. It is a good place to start.

As I read the more confusing stuff, the prophesy books such as Daniel, I don't understand much of it. But I do understand that God has a plan, and already knows what will happen. I am safe with him. I read it, and believe that the Holy Spirit can help me understand clearly if God wants. But the main message is that God is more powerful than ALL of the kingdoms that have risen and fallen and ever will. He is the beginning and the end, the King of kings and the Lord of lords.

It is late, I have been up with small children and probably should have been sleeping, but instead decided to comment. Hope what I was trying to communicate came through on here.

Joy

Anonymous said...

Any Christians on this forum who believe the earth is flat are really make the rest of us Christians look foolish. Our enemy is very smart(Satan) and getting sucked into all these conspiracy theories and ideas that totally contradict science and natural forces like gravity and mathematics is just sad. While the Bible is not a book about science and math, they are part of God because he is the Creator of all.

Even if the earth was flat and circular the horizon (curve of the earth) is still wrong from the vantage point of plane. Plus every pilot who ever flew a plane would need to be part of this conspiracy. I am doubtful around the geocentric view but I have not had time to do the research scripture and science.

Read your Bible and understand what it says and means, the type of language used and the context of how it is used, cause if you do not rightly divide then we should all be Catholics because Jesus said it was his body and blood at the last supper with his apostles.


To the anonymous who posted the link to clues forum.

That forum is run by a NWO perp whose main goal is to make truth seekers look foolish, maybe you are him?


The only commercial flights over the Antarctic continent are the Qantas 744 flightseeing trips organised over by Croydon travel. The reason there are no flights over the ice is because, unlike the north, the south pole does not lie on the great circle route for too many points. It's really only New Zealand and South Africa and Australia and Brazil that are linked by a great circle route over the polar ice.
South Pole routes will always be more limited simply because there's very few major city pairs whose shortest connecting route crosses the Antarctic.

If you study a map of the southern hemisphere you'll find that you have to operate between cities such as Buenos Aires and Perth to transit the South Pole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW5k1oJDavs

Angela Lina

Bible Believer said...

Thanks Joy, I hadn't looked at that link yet. Thanks for the prayers. Trust me by now I am used to strangeness with this blog. I have had the same thoughts. I always thought flat earth societies were control op to the max. I know what my eyeballs have seen, even seeing the ocean and the curves are there. The stars are out there.

Yes it seems every angle has been on here, hey before you were here Joy I had the Hebrew roots types, the anti-semitics, etc etc.

I agree with what you say about the bible. Hey we may not know or figure every single thing out. I can't discredit everything of science since I use some modern medicines to stay alive. Is there occult infiltration in science or big scams being run out there, giant lies? Sure, but God gave us brains too. Some may offer "dark ages" type of answers to confuse us. There are people out there who would say I am trusting in man in taking any medication. Even with some things we have figured out in this world we can't conceivably know everything. The scientists don't obviously. God is the only one. We are entering looking through a glass darkly territory.



1 Corinthians 13:12King James Version (KJV)

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.


Bible Believer said...

I don't agree with the throw all science out with the bathwater people.

What next telling us our computers are conspiracy?

Hey maybe on that clues forum they are right about a few things but what else is being stirred into the stew pot?

Even when I go to a place like that I know the possibilities of control op and to be careful.

I agree about the pilots. Ever been up in a place yourself? I need more time for research, bible reading and science knowledge to answer the sun around the earth thing instead of the other way around.

People get in trouble not rightly dividing the word, that's why you have people down in West Virginia literally handling snakes.

Bible Believer said...

correction, place should be plane.

Anonymous said...

"That forum is run by a NWO perp whose main goal is to make truth seekers look foolish, maybe you are him??

Got any proof? Lemme guess, alex jones or jeff rense or (insert alternative researcher name here) says its so so clues forum must be NWO.

Angela you are the one with the problem and throwing out accusations with ZERO proof. i.e. cluesforum and my doing damage to Christianity by commenting on this little blog.

And why do you always post the same thing multiple times?

No Im not Simon Shack. Im not even a member of cluesforum

Like I said there are NO commercial flights over the south pole. Didn't need to look at your youtube video as Ive already researched it. And yes there is some tourist plane that flys into some area in antartica. Know anybody that's taken it Angela Lina?

I don't care if you believe what unsaved scientists have sold the world. Why are you taking the idea as a personal affront?

And I will say it again, You cannot observe the truth or falsehood of this from an airplane.

"really make the rest of us Christians look foolish"

curious how worried you are about looking foolish. The world is supposed to hate you remember?

Seems possible your pride may be affecting your world view. It is also interesting that sometimes you sign angela lina and sometimes your anonymous. Jus sayin.

Who is Lilianna white btw? And yes those illustrations of a scriptural earth were on some dummy Mormons site. I hadn't read the site only was looking for a place that had the illustrations. I put a disclaimer b4 the link, but maybe you think Im some sneaky glenn beck fan trying to divide and confuse?

You guys can go back to watching NASA cruise around mars and dropping scripture bombs on each other and random people to make yourself feel all puffed up (not u bb)...Go save the world in your error and love of men

I just wanted to put this out there

thanks BB!

carry on

Bible Believer said...

The science thing is complicated but how much in the world are Christians lambasted for being against science. How many who are against Christianity would gain from getting Christians labeled as fools?

I looked at pictures of the world the flat earthers believe in and it's impossible.

No one could fly from Japan to the USA. All people flying international would have to be liars. I looked at the UN "map" too. How would it work? No one ever found the edge in our modern world with its jets and everything else? From that alone I deem it an impossible theory.

In the days of Columbus they worried about sailing over the edge of the world but I think we are bit beyond that now aren't we?

even scripture ITSELF says its a SPHERE!

Hey one thing about me I am willing to look at anything but to the flat earthers, it does not hold up.

Otherwise tell me why no one has found the edge.

:)

Anonymous said...

Reconciling Ecc 1:9 with nukes, space travel etc.,

So they must of had nukes back in ancient times or God is a liar?

space travel was happening pre-flood maybe? Or, God is a liar?

OR

Its all a hoax and God is not a liar and HE does NOT CHANGE

Is there any other explanation?

Bible Believer said...

no one's ever found the edge?


http://makingmaps.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/flat-earth1.jpg?w=484&h=386

Anonymous said...

Otherwise tell me why no one has found the edge.

A lot of mysterious stuff happens at sea...Also, just take a gander at commercial shipping lanes. Not close to the edges.

If the world truly is a flat sphere as according to scripture than it would be a dead giveaway for the magnificence of God's creation and will take away from any ancient alien theory, habitable planets etc., So when the "aliens" come here for the NWO the lie is in place and perhaps this earth theory is part of a strong delusion.


LOL Obviously God himself has shrouded this. I have been on countless flights and you cannot see anything in this regard spherical and flat or round sphere like NASA says.

Sphere can be flat for the umpteenth time. Probably you should not think of it as a piece of paper but maybe firmaments and pillars etc.,

Well that's all Im sorry for bringing so much frustration and discrediting your blog and Christianity.

Anonymous said...

no one's ever found the edge?


http://makingmaps.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/flat-earth1.jpg?w=484&h=386

July 24, 2014 at 9:58 AM


Yea those edges of the earth are so densely populated it would be impossible?! All the ships and planes could just pop in and refuel and takeoff and keep cruising...

Bible Believer said...

Are you from Cluesforum?

Odd I was writing this response and my computer almost crashed.

Look you never have encountered people who were upset by your ideas? who didn't agree? you are talking to someone who does not believe that man has ever been on the moon and does not believe in the moonlandings and that NASA is marked for the occult and full of deceptions. So I am in a far different place then 99% of the people you will encounter.

But with this flat earth stuff, are you trying to tell me mankind who has gone into the deepest jungle and up the highest mountain, has neglected to go even a photo of the "edge" of the world? I find it impossible.

Anonymous said...

Bermuda triangles, Amelia airheart (sp) ,

I mean theres a gazillion mysteries at sea and the seas are controlled 100% by modern day pirates, i.e. corporations and govt. militaries...plus obviously GOD HIMSELF has kept this a mystery.

That's why people get mad. For one, its hard to believe that we have been so completely duped (pride) and two, you cannot prove that NASAs photos are real or that Gods Word definitively proves it either way...IT IS A MYSTERY

Its ez to believe in huge NWO conspiracy? But the very same system is not in cahoots on Space lies? They have controlled science since the beginning. Dang, they INVENTED science. And THEY work for satan, Lucifer whatever. And satan also works through men.

As Christians we are embarrassed to really stand behind the scripture we confess to believe. So religious men have always adjusted biblical belief to scientific "discoveries".

God preserved HIS word. Not just in Greek or Hebrew but also in English.

And now were all terrified to look "foolish" when God HIMSELF said HE would make HIS own Son as foolishness to the gentiles? Or that the world hated Jesus Christ so much that these religious men, scientists, money changers, etc., KILLED HIM?

Quit bowing the knee to Ba'al and be joyous if you look as a FOOL to the world and to all the professing, Spiritless Christians roaming around today

Bible Believer said...

Look we hope you are real, but let's just say blogs that warn of the NWO get a lot of infiltrators. I tell folks here if we question things do not take offense. Sadly some have.

Surely there are a few of those types over on Cluesforum. I read some of that site the other day, some interesting stuff, perhaps many truths, but we live in a world where one cannot trust everything blindly. Thanks answering question about being member or not.

I don't buy the flat earth stuff, sorry, even if I am open to alternative opinions regarding other matters. I believe in looking at new evidence for many things. I have prayed to God to show me the truth on matters as well but this one I just don't agree with.

These are not salvation issues and I don't want to get into contentious battle but understand if you want to bring forth your ideas, and trust me writing a blog like this one, I know one can get a lot of flak for stuff that doesn't fit the mainstream, you need to present evidence. As for Bible verses even it's not very strong to me. One has to understand there is figurative language in the bible as one of my commenters pointed out. I probably will close comments here but you can email if you like. the address is on my profile.

Also don't get mad at people questioning cluesforum. How many places that do NWO research do end up being run by control opp? Some here may even think I am, but I am not. LOL probably the fact I don't have researchers and editors to make things here run a certain level probably helps my case for this place being real.
Hasn't the north pole been flown over? Ok Ok, I'm closing these comments, since this debate has gone on long enough. Make sure with other believers not to let these things cause separation. Even for me I have to ask if someone is born again and understand those who are not NWO aware. Not everyone has had the place to research or been shown many things yet.




Bible Believer said...

correction above, "go even take a photo of the edge of the world"

Bible Believer said...

Yes there are tons of mysteries out there. As I said look through the glass darkly stuff. I know I look at things myself on this blog but I attempt not to take this place to Vigilante Citizen territory but just try and put forth basics. As you can tell warning of the one world religion and other deceptions is the main theme. I do believe NASA is full of lies, I don't trust all of NASA's photos, even the ones they claim they colored. LOL

Many on here think those who believe in the NWO at all are nuts. [same for Christianity itself by the unbelieving world]

While we can talk about these things of course our relationship with Jesus Christ comes first. This is why I warn of not letting these things cause contention.

I agree much of science is controlled. But be careful of those who will take you down the road of telling you that all of science is false. Some is true. God made the natural world, there are natural laws like gravity that apply. There are classes of mammals, insects and sea life. I believe one can reconcile scripture with the truth of the natural world--that God made. One thing making things complex, today in our world there are many things that they are claiming are scientific, provable by a the scientific method but are not. You have chaos theory, theories about quantum physics that are ripped right out of the Baghadava Da Vita- [Hindu scripture--yeah I know I didn't spell it right] and even somethings in medicine that are not scientific, like telling people who are not natural eunuchs and hermaphrodites that they are really transsexuals. So yes you are right science or what is being passed for science has a lot of lies today, but we have to be careful about taking things too far. There are Christians out there who believe that taking all medicine is wrong, who reject other aspects of the natural world. By the way I found the posts even about dinosaurs on that forum very interesting and I used to wonder why no fossils of them had been found before the mid 1800s. Look I have beliefs too people think are "crazy". Christians should not care about looking foolish before men but we have to examine all of our beliefs and make sure we are not going into deception. There are many pits people can fall into. False religions out there deny even realities of the natural world and what I will call here true science. Some renounce knowledge and human curiosity and tell people that this repression is of God--think of the Dark Ages, when it is not.

We also have to put first of course our salvation in Jesus Christ and following God's Will. I know as a human being I do not know everything it would be impossible. I will examine my beliefs as God leads me to do. This is the best you can ask of anyone.


Anonymous said...

"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Reconciling Ecc 1:9 with nukes, space travel etc.,

So they must of had nukes back in ancient times or God is a liar?

space travel was happening pre-flood maybe? Or, God is a liar?

OR

Its all a hoax and God is not a liar and HE does NOT CHANGE

Is there any other explanation?

July 24, 2014 at 9:56 AM"


and yea bb ill shoot you an email soon and No way Im not mad at all its fascinating stuff and the truth of it will be revealed. Of course I know it gets folks in a tizzy cause it seems insane.

All of the Copernicus, aristotles etc bunch were all in the "mystery schools"

The earth being a flat sphere with four corners even, is, maybe, just might be, some big high degree silly secret, revelation of masonry.

Let me just say that iam in no way affiliated with cluesforum.info. I do believe that they are excellent researchers and are really the ONLY place that exists that is actively working to expose media fakery of all types. Are they right on everything? Um Of course not. Are there apparent believers that are members there, (Dcopymope) as well as others like myself, lurk there, yes. As believers in Jesus Christ we mustwake up to the media fakery and all the shills and gatekeepers that protect this GIANT secret, because it IS BEING be used against us. For this reason we must re-examine everything we know. Cluesforum is the only true forum that tackles these topics with references, critical thought and solid research. So examine everything and view it through the lens of the authorized kjv.

thank you for providing this forum and I really am sorry to have hijacked this thread. I bet some may think im a Copeland internet troll...

Anonymous said...

I wasn't going to respond. But this statement is just too nonsensical.

"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Reconciling Ecc 1:9 with nukes, space travel etc.,

So they must of had nukes back in ancient times or God is a liar?

space travel was happening pre-flood maybe? Or, God is a liar?
OR
Its all a hoax and God is not a liar and HE does NOT CHANGE

Is there any other explanation?"


Yeah , maybe God is a liar. They must have had computers, cars, TVs, planes, blue jeans in the distant past. Yeah, Adam and eve were wearing blue jeans and Noah loved to surf the internet.

OR

God is not a liar, you are just taking Ecclesiates WAY too literally.


Crystal Rollison said...

I just visited the Florence Baptist Church, in South Carolina, for a CUFI meeting, which I had been a member of for 3 years, after receiving an email invitation. I wanted to see how these speakers, who are asked by the churches to speak, really do feel about Jesus Christ and yet, still maintaining a faithful walk with Him, without becoming endorsers of Israels secular agendas, nor being in agreement with John Hagee's book called "In Defense of Israel".Victor Styrsky was the speaker and he sat down at my table, being polite, but for some reason, even though I didn't know who he was, he asked me to move to the next table with some other people I didn't know, because he said he was wanting to save that table for two of his friends but I couldn't understand why he had me move when all the tables had 6 chairs and it was just me. But, I wasn't thinking much of it, until I saw he was the speaker and that he proudly gave everyone a stack of material, to not only become a member of CUFI, but with the book, In Defense of Israel. I knew I had to open up the page that I had seen on youtube, but several Christian ministries, showing that from John Hagee's very own words, he claims that Jesus rejected being the chosen Messiah of the Jews (pages 144-145). I was so angry and hurt and disappointed, especially, hearing the speaker say that we should ignore the claims of other people trying to say that John Hagee had ever said that Jesus denied being the Messiah of the Jews. I still wanted to make sure for myself. After reading it, I showed it to the man right beside me but only after I looked at him, and he looked at me, and we both knew that we were on the same page... he was an elderly man, sitting with his wife and two other people. He said to me that he never liked John Hagee's mission and how he promotes Israel. I confirmed our concerns right then and there, giving him the book, opened to the pages, and he read what I pointed out, gave it back, and we both shook our heads together in sadness. After the presentation, which was very secular, mixed with some gospel, and asking believers to support young Israel adults with a choice of them going to any secular college they may choose. After all was said, I asked the director if I could use the mic on so I could be heard. As soon as I was about to speak, Victor Styrsky pointed hastly at the director, Alvin, shaking his head in agitation, motioning to get me off the mic. But, as Alvin approached me, it was like he felt bad to just do that, but ofcourse, I was smart enough to thank Alvin for allowing me to speak about CUFI. Alvin stood right beside me, looking like a body gaurd, except, he proved that he was an enemy of Christ, when I pointed out to everyone that they should read pages 144-145, where John Hagee says that Jesus Christ denied being the Messiah of the Jews: he grabs me by my arms and hands and my shoulder at one time, trying to let go of the microphone, so I begged him to please let go of me and don't put his hands on me. Alvin was kind enough to let me speak about being a member with CUFI and how I love that we, as Christians can help Jewish people who are in desperate need of bomb shelters, food, shelter, water, clothes, medicines, etc. Alvin grabbed me in desperation to get the mic from me, as I begged him to not touch me, I gave him the mic and still proclaimed that everyone needed to know the truth of the book. Victor Styrsky thought it was cute and funny to get me on video, as he mocked me for seeming to be such a sweet girl at first, but I told him I wont be silent for Jesus Christ and that people need to be warned of this maggot filled book.

Bible Believer said...

Sorry I am responding to your comment so late, I will pray for you and I am glad you saw through John Hagee's false teachings. I have posted many articles warning about John Hagee and Christian Zionists. Please beware of the CUFI. There are many good Christians who are led into false Christian Zionism.

I want to suggest these articles to you:

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/search?q=Zionism

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/search?q=CUFI