Friday, May 23, 2014

Job, Type of Christ

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The book of Job is a great one to study, it helped lead me to salvation because as a non-believer.  I struggled greatly with the issue of suffering in the world and it's cause. For me, a turn was made reading the book of Job. Many non-believers blame God for their suffering and if they have had hard lives depart from Him for good. You see people like this out there, hardened faces and who are very sad and have given up all hope. Many remain angry at God for their entire lives.

In fact illness, poverty and other harsh life events led me to wrongly believe that God did not love me when I was a young adult. Watching the wicked prosper in this world with no biblical training leads many down a false path. Seriously in my case, my thoughts were that Christianity was for nice bright shiny people who had it all together and the false church system helped with this.  Reading the book of Job was a life-saver on multiple levels. There are many lost people out there stuck in that trap, of not realizing God's love because of wrong thinking regarding the suffering in this world and their own.

One issue that continues to concern me out there, is I see all these graphics onlining that God will bring people wonderful lives here on earth and that troubles me, because what happens if there is hardship or losses? No preparation is made for tribulation with these teachings. This is where the "God has a plan for you" stuff misinterpreted can bring many hard things to people and internal suffering and turmoil.

Many people including Christians have lost just about everything in this world or have bodies that don't work right, or have faced incredible grief, the book of Job while to many on the surface seems to be one of the harshest books of the Bible, to me it is not, it is a book of Hope in God that tells a person while suffering happens one is not always to blame for it, and that in the end God will lift you up. It also details the tests of faith. Of course Job prefigured Jesus Christ in many ways too as this graphic shows.

Job 19:25 (KJV)25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:


Joe Krohn said...

Nice post!

FaithGuy3 said...

BB, excellent post!

Also - beware of these Babel church building, hireling preachers that WOEFULLY misinterpret the book of Job, and ultimately act like God will throw Christians a "Job test" at will.

For example - I lived in New Orleans when Katrina happened, and pretty much the Baptist pastors down there said how Katrina happened b/c Christians were going through a "Job test". And one of them further elaborated how some quit coming to church after they lost their homes b/c they didn't love God all along, and loved their "stuff" more.

Seriously - Job was wealthy, while OTOH the average born-again believer is working/middle class(and the only "stuff" they have is a couple of tv sets, radios, a small book/movie collection, an extra car, just to name a few - really not much to boast about). And for that matter too - God KNOWS our hearts and minds, so why in the world would he "test" us to see if "we truely love him"?

And speaking of Katrina - NOT EVERYONE lost their homes. Some were spared(both believers and unbelievers alike, that is), while some weren't(ditto). So let's not be silly too - it wasn't like God allowed Satan to badly flood *some* of the Christian homes to "test" them. If anything, the flooding(and lack thereof) had alot to do with LOCATION(ie-if you lived in New Orleans East/Chalmette, then you had no protection. OTOH, there were high land areas where homes and businesses weren't hit at all).

Anyhow - yes, I agree with what you said - but nonetheless beware of all of these subtle deceptions these hireling pastors throw at their flocks to further get them to doubt the word of God.

As for these hireling pastors in Katrina - remember how alot of them worked with the Clergy Response Teams(where FEMA went around empty neighborhoods confiscating firearms). So are they saying THIS was part of the "Job test" as well? :rolls eyes:

atmo joyo said...

Mostly christian thinking that christian’s live everyday like these ;

1. Doings a lot of MIRACLES like Moses;
2. RICH like Salomon;
3. REIGN in live like David;
4. HEROIC like Samson;
5. WISE like Salomon;
6. Tribulation and sorrow NEVER happen in "good christians" live.
Or in simple words, you are blessed christian if you have wonderful LIVES on earth; thats what people thinking.

BUT ............Christian life is journey and led by God,like Israel (Deuteronomy 29:5)

Job give us example about patience and faith, although tribulations increased,
He never change his faith in God.(Job 1; 20-22)(James 5:11)

In tribulations, trials and temptations there is war between lust of flesh against the Spirit (Galatians 5:17),
and we are led by the Spirit of God. (John 14:26)
We can endure tribulations, trials and temptations, because God will strengthen us. (Isaiah 41:10)
So we can get fruits of the Spirit. (Galatians 5:22-23)(Romans 5:3-5)

Deuteronomy 29:5
5 And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you,
and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot.

Job 1:21
21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave,
and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

James 5:11
11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord;
that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

Galatians 5:17
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other:
so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,
he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Isaiah 41:10
10 Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee;
yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.

Romans 5:3-5
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Anonymous said...

The book of Job is what my husband explained to me after 9/11.
I went from that to Revelation. Made me realize what a wretched ungrateful sinner I am and how completely real hell is. From there I learned of the love of Christ and His sacrifice. My husbands
favorite book of the bible is Job. I think Job is about hope as you say. Hope and Faith.

I live in Baton Rouge, Louisiana and during hurricane Katrina was attending the first and last church that I have been to since being saved. It is a mega church that I can say I'm grateful I no longer attend. They were saying the same thing. We had a lot of people from New Orleans attending because the church had an auditorium with displaced people. It was a really rough time.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks Joe and Faith guy.

I agree about avoiding those who misinterpret the book of Job. I was reading some old materials I had, some to expose cleaning off a bookshelf, and saw a preacher writing this, That God would send Job tests, and basically it was more of that false author of evil stuff, and that if your life is going great on planet earth it means you have GOd's blessing etc.

Preaching that God has brought them suffering on purpose is the surest way to bring people against God. I wish I was there with the Katrina folks, would tell them about HAARP, there are many many bad things that happen in this world because Satan is the prince of this earth. Many Christians do not understand how death came into this world via sin too. Job was wealthy and actually owned assets unlike even your average "middle class" America who will see absolutely everything dry up if the job spigot is turned off, and they can't pay that 1500 mortgage they own a month to the bank who really owns their house. Americans have been duped even there depending on outward appearances. The borrower is a slave to the lender etc. I own very little in this world so am not judging them, but real wealth is for a only thin sliver in American society. The system has been set up for people to depend on their stuff and give off a certain "look".

Yes I agree a lot of the flooding had to do with location or what happened to the dykes or levies. When people talk that way it is disturbing, if someone gets a rare disease or cancer, or is poor it is supposedly all "their fault" and the Bible warns against this thinking such as the blind man.

One verse I would apply to Katrina, "It rains on the just and injust". paraphrasing, here is the verse:

Matthew 5:45

King James Version (KJV)

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

I am glad the Bible speaks of these things and has the book of Job. As I wrote I had a hard enough life where when young I thought God did not love me. How many as they saw their houses pummeled and were told by false preachers that it was God's fault, would turn away from God thinking God had brought them evil? This is where false theology really can mess people up.

I am glad you left the megachurch.

Yeah the pastors all worked with FEMA, that was awful. I know a guy who was a retired pastor and on some disaster team, warned him about the NWO, he wouldn't hear of it.

Bible Believer said...

Atmo I agree. One thing I am noticing too is many believe their life will be full of miracles and some glorious plan [Yes God has a glorious plan for us regarding the gospel and with Jesus Christ in heaven but I am talking about those who think becoming a Christian will make their life here on earth glorious.]

I see this all the time...

God has a plan for you....

is that message and they all expect to have endless miracles, be wealthy, reign, never be lonely, never be sick, never end up poor, etc etc.

So what happens to them when those things happen?

Yes I see this now where most people think being a Christian automatically means a wonderful life on earth.

I was starting this article, LOL it was called "What if your life is a mess?" Many would say if someone has a messy life {I am not talking about those who have messiness due to unrepentant sin} and they are not getting constant blessings that they are a rotten Christian. I may still work on this article. This stuff has left the Word of Faithers and entered even into the other mainstream churches.

I agree it is about patience among tribulation.

One thing I see in society too, maybe Ill write about this as well, is that many are BLAMED for their tribulations and there is a false guilt unloaded by Satan's workers for not having the picture perfect lifestyle.

I agree there is a war between lust of the flesh against spirit, Satan can use despair, anger, and all sorts of things.

We must all pray for God's strength. I have to do it today regarding an issue in my life. God will give us peace even among the worse of it.

Isa 40: 29 He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.

Thanks for the other verses too.

Kathy said...

This post brought to mind a past experience. I was not brought up in church. We children were allowed and even encouraged to attend, but we rarely went. As a young teen, the most I knew was Bible stories from occasionally attending Sunday School.

I remember a day I was outside a church in our small town. There was a funeral. I remember seeing all these, "really nice" people coming out of the church. They were such nice people and I was sad for them and their loss. I thought to myself, 'I do not want to get to know God any more than I already do, because if I do, he will make me sad and suffer like those people are.'

I was not born again until age 60, and coincidentally, my first born child died (unexpectedly) 5 months later. Because of my new found faith, I was able to get through the most difficult time of my life with strength and comfort. I could not have, before I knew the Lord.

And yes, I did wonder if I was being tested. Oddly enough, I never did become hateful or angry at God. I honestly felt his love and comfort.

Anonymous said...

Bible believer, I ended up developing shingles during my pregnancy, because of my weakened immune system. Shingles is HORRIBLE! and being pregnant on top of that made it worse. A friend of mine called me to "encourage " me. She asked me if I was bitter. Or if I had been bitter lately because she read a book that says if you are a Christian and are bitter you could develop shingles. I was not encouraged at all. She went on to be suspicious of her husband because he has liver disease and says that the bible says that God will pierce the liver of an adulterer or something like that.
I think we do get tested and we will have trials, but some people take it way too far. And try to find a curse or a blessing in everything. Acting as if they have an answer.

Kathy I am so glad you come to the Lord!
And I am truly sorry for your loss.

atmo joyo said...

It's good for you BB to start this article inspiring many people struggle in faith outside there.

But some other comments i saw generalize all their "worldly" sorrows and afflictions as trials and temptations.
What's different between you are blessed christian if have good live in earth
and you got worldly sorrows to get much better live after that ?
It's same........

Trials,temptation and tribulation happened because you follow The Lord Jesus
The Lord Jesus stated clearly that tribulations is "carry our own cross" (Luke 14:27; Matthew 16:24-25)

Job shows us what is called the trials and tribulations and keep his faith in God. (Job 1:6-12)
Job suffered death of his family, loss, illness, misunderstanding, disappointment, depression, loneliness, rejection etc

Apostle Paul shows us what is called the trials and tribulations and keep his faith in The Lord Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:24-27)
Apostle Paul suffered stripes, beaten, stoned, shipwreck etc

Don't generalize all your "worldly" sorrows and afflictions as trials and temptations.

Luke 14:27
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 16:24-25
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Job 2:3
3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth,
a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity,
although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

2 Corinthians 11:24-27
24 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.
25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
26 In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen,
in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.