Thursday, May 1, 2014

A Classic: The Old Rugged Cross

One of my favorite hymns among many. The old hymns are the best.


FaithGuy3 said...

One of my favorites too - sadly, you don't hear this hymn at any of these Babel church buildings anymore.

It's not just this CCM nonsense they bring in, but even those that profess to stick to the traditional hymns, even THIS has become an after-thought to them.

Anonymous said...

One of my favorites is "Up from the grave He arose."

I also like "Rise Again"

Also "El Shaddai"

Another "Run on for a long time"

Too many to list them all.

Also, I do not automatically endorse every singer, just because I like the song.

Anonymous said...

One of my very favorites. It has a chorus, but not just repeating words over and over like so many of the new "praise" songs.

I am thankful that my church still includes the "oldies but goodies" in worship along with some of the more modern ones. In most churches they have to jazz it up to satisfy the congregants and it doesn't make a very good "show" "performance" to sing the old hymns that are not "cool". Sad.

I really like "It is Well With My Soul". It was written by a man in the pit of loss and depression, but speaks of victory in the Lord.

Bible Believer said...

I've been fortunate to have learned these hymns in my old ifb, and they are sung where I am at now.

At least songs like this had some doctrine in them and singing about salvation. Yes most churches have departed from the hymns. The music with even weird double meaning lyrics I even heard in other churches worried me. CCM really ruined church music. I do not think modern necessarily equals bad, can you imagine maybe what some good modern songs could be like if they were true, the problem is they are not.

I like Up from the Grave He Arose too, that is another favorite. I like "I Have Decided to Follow Jesus", "It Is Well with My Soul", "No one Ever Cared for Me But Jesus"

This is a great personal favorite too..

Count Your Blessings

"When upon life’s billows you are tempest tossed,
When you are discouraged, thinking all is lost,
Count your many blessings, name them one by one,
And it will surprise you what the Lord hath done.


Count your blessings, name them one by one,
Count your blessings, see what God hath done!
Count your blessings, name them one by one,
And it will surprise you what the Lord hath done.

Are you ever burdened with a load of care?
Does the cross seem heavy you are called to bear?
Count your many blessings, every doubt will fly,
And you will keep singing as the days go by.


When you look at others with their lands and gold,
Think that Christ has promised you His wealth untold;
Count your many blessings. Wealth can never buy
Your reward in heaven, nor your home on high.


So, amid the conflict whether great or small,
Do not be disheartened, God is over all;
Count your many blessings, angels will attend,
Help and comfort give you to your journey’s end.


Bible Believer said...

Maybe someone could name a more modern song that is doctrinally sound here?

I like the good old hymns though...

Anonymous said...

I will stick my neck out here, being a veteran of the building music wars. The Heart of Worship by Matt Redman, and the song has a history we can all learn from, (Philippians 1:29-30) - Don

Lillianna White said...

This reminds me of something I was warning about earlier. There is a lot of the following embedded in more modern songs: contemplative, dominionism, and armies. Contemplative ones sneak in lyrics about 'breathing something in/out', dominionist ones include the 'building God's kingdom here and now/on earth, making the world a better place' and so forth, and the army ones just mention some sort of army 'rising up.' Well, I like some Matt Redman songs too, but lately there is a song out by him that is contemplative and I pasted it below, analysis to follow:

"Your Grace Finds Me" by Matt Redman

[VERSE 1:]
It’s there in the newborn cry
There in the light of every sunrise
There in the shadows of this life
Your great grace

It’s there on the mountain top
There in the everyday and the mundane
There in the sorrow and the dancing
Your great grace
Oh such grace

From the creation to the cross
There from the cross into eternity
Your grace finds me, yes your grace finds me

[VERSE 2:]
It’s there on a wedding day
There in the weeping by the graveside
There in the very breath we breathe
Your great grace

The same for the rich and poor
The same for the saint and for the sinner
Enough for this whole wide world
Your great grace
Oh such grace


There in the darkest night of the soul
There in the sweetest songs of victory
Your grace finds me
Yes your grace finds me

Your great grace
Oh such grace
Your great grace
Oh such grace

So I’m breathing in Your grace
And breathing out Your praise
I’m breathing in Your grace
Forever I’ll be


Your grace finds me
Yes Your grace finds me

Analysis: The verses 1 and 2 allude to pantheism. How can God's attribute of grace be 'in' things like... nature, people, etc.? God is separate from His creation and so are His attributes. It's okay to say that God's grace can reach anywhere, and out to anyone and so on, but that is not what he is saying, he is saying it is already in something of creation in many of the lyrics. These are the subtleties they will sneak in. Then, in the bridge, the contemplative 'heavy breathing' starts with the lyrics 'breathing in your grace/breathing out your praise,' an obviously contemplative practice. Also, that line is repetitive ad infinitum when you hear it played. For those who are unaware, contemplative is how they are smuggling eastern mysticism into the church on all fronts (google the terms for more info. and research this, it sounds innocent to the unaware but is anything but). So with the modern ones, we must beware of the lyrics and what they are smuggling in. I listen to Christian music on the radio but most of it is this kind of heretical garbage and occasionally they have a legit worship song (the only reason I bother). But I analyze them all and for instance, on K-Love, I can pick out exactly what is wrong with almost each song they play now... it's that bad! We get that station here. If you go to the Christian bookstore it isn't much better but you pay a bundle and don't really know what you are getting (nor do they if you ask), and then you are supporting the stuff... not a good choice. I don't have much $ to spare and I don't have a good archive right now. So my choices are limited. Once in a while they play a song I like, like one of the variations on the Revelation song or that sort of song (I can't get enough of those and I do have CD's of them).

Good topic!

Anonymous said...

There is a modern song that has become popular - God is a hurricane and I am a tree and the nonsense goes on. I looked up some other songs by this writer and he is an obvious emergent.

Most modern songs are written to appeal to the flesh in one way or another and aren't even "good music". But since they are presented in a "worship" format, they are tolerated.

Also, with the advent of "Christian radio" and the plethora of "Christian" artists who must sell their albums in the "Christian" bookstores have to have appeal over substance. The radio stations must have listeners and they must have advertisers or donors to keep them on the air.

Yes, I realize that God has gifted people with musical talent, but we seem to forget that it is fraught with dangers. If discernment and sound doctrine is not applied, it gives our a sour note for sure.

Anonymous said...

@ Lillianna I agree Matt Redman is not a perfect person, as none of us are. This can be verified in Romans chapter 7 and 8. The topic I listed was a particular song and it's history, not the writer. There are only 2 places we will find all truth in this world, God's Word and the Holy Spirit. - Don

Anonymous said...

Thanks Lilli, for breaking that song down. You are so right about the CCM music.
All I listened to was CCM , and I started noticing the strange sound and Bollywood type of music. While listening to Newsboys song I could hear the weird Indian Bollywood music and then real subtle whispering " come into the light". I got really creeped out.
I started researching the CCM music and it lead me to this blog and Wolves in Sheep's Clothing.
From that and other research I learned quite a lot in a short period of time.
Over the years I read all the left behind books and have been believing in the once saved always saved false doctrine.
I thank God for showing me the truth.

Needless to say I no longer listen to CCM . I have been learning the hymns like Bringing in the Sheaves.
And Great is Thy Faithfulness.
Do you know of a good CD I could purchase of the beautiful old hymns?
Oh and on a different note. Those left behind books sure go into great detail about satanic rituals and worship. Now I know why. I was wondering how come the author knew so much about the subject.
I still know lets of people that sing the praises of the left behind series, and when you tell them the truth about it they act as if you are telling them there is no God.
I'm going to keep trying though .

Anonymous said...

"There is a modern song that has become popular - God is a hurricane and I am a tree and the nonsense goes on. I looked up some other songs by this writer and he is an obvious emergent."

What a horrible song that is. I hate it. It is just putrid. The assertions in the song don't line up with Scripture, and they sound really creepy, actually.

Anonymous said...

Matt Redman is hit and miss. Lately more miss than hit. It is not just that "he's human". It's that he's come out in support of the catholic church, asserting that it is a Christian organization, and that obviously is affecting his view of lyrics vs. Scripture.

Lillianna White said...

Amen to that! Thanks and you're welcome too!
( :

Don: I wasn't picking on what you said at all, I was just warning about this stuff in general. Like I said, I like some of his songs too, including the one you mentioned. But that reminded me of all the stuff going on out there in CCM and I wanted to address it again. So, no hard feelings, eh?

To anon:
Yes, wolves in sheep's clothing has a lot of info. on that stuff too. You can see and tell what is going on if you are at least not an ostrich, but he really gives good background info. on what is going on.

And also yes, about that Left Behind series, total heresy. So few see through it though. Do you all see how the devil is using these 'Christian' culture items to spoon feed the church population his lies? Of course these are all high rolling authors and teachers in the world (the 'church' world), raking in billions. But the pewsters gobble it all up as if it's from the mouth of God, and beat anyone who disagrees and tries to warn them lovingly!

And you know what heresy #1 is in it? The pre-trib rapture. No one in the church will see the antichrist for who he is and what he is doing because they have all been conditioned that they will be 'long gone' by then, and you have heretics like John MacArthur coming alongside of the lie in Left Behind (Tim LaHaye's immaculate deception) and saying...'s okay to take the mark of the beast and still be saved, after all, God loves you! You can still repent later, right?

Our job is to just keep warning, that is all we are accountable for, we cannot control their responses. (when it comes to that). ( ;

And setting foot inside those Christian bookstores is like walking into a den of abominations, it sort of reminds me of the first few chapters in Ezekiel! All I own are bibles and some cross necklaces, period.

If people would just get into the Word of God and seek Him, He would reveal all of this stuff to them like He did to me! And as for the internet, yes I agree Atmo, He can show us in an hour if lead by Him! Amen.

People need to get into the Word of God and see what God has to say, instead of piling upon themselves all these false teachers who want to tell them what the Word of God has to say! It's like, don't ask someone else what I said, ask me what I said if you don't want it twisted around! It's that sort of thing. (Because of course 'that' never happens, right!?)
( ;
Blessings to all.

Anonymous said...

My very favorite cd is Alan Jackson "Precious Memories." It is really nicely done and has some excellent old hymns.
1 Blessed Assurance
2 Softly and Tenderly
3 I Love to Tell the Story
4 When We All Get to Heaven
5 'tis So Sweet to Trust in Jesus
6 In the Garden
7 Are You Washed in the Blood?
8 I'll Fly Away
9 What a Friend We Have in Jesus
10 Standing on the Promises
11 Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus
12 Leaning on the Everlasting Arms
13 The Old Rugged Cross
14 How Great Thou Art
15 I Want to Stroll Over Heaven With You

Selah has a nice one called "Greatest Hymns."

I still listen to a few of my old christian music, select songs from Steven Curtis Chapman, Rich Mullins (Really love his sound) and a few others, but most of it is not really worth listening to. Hope that helps.


Lillianna White said...

Hi again,

That amen was for something earlier... ( :

Yes, and you know, that is another interesting thing... they will get a 'following' and then all of a sudden 'come out of the closet' on an issue like gays, catholics, emergent, etc. and I know from 'wolves in sheep's clothing' that a lot of them are plants, so it would make sense. Like a time released pill sort of thing, either little by little, or much later after the pill has been swallowed. That is why it is so hard to convince someone that their beloved teacher is a heretic, the wolves have already won the hearts by all those cute fuzzy jokes and stuff. But they use their 'sway' to persuade people, that is why they have been placed there in these positions. They are all going down that road now either way so don't listen to them! They use their popularity and words and subtle lyrics as well to lure people. It's really more widespread than most people realize nowadays.

Blessings to you all!

Bible Believer said...

Thanks for the music suggestions.

Yes we have to be careful of those who go play footsie with the Catholic church after leading people in the door. I know that one is tough and often disappointing.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Joy for the suggestions.
I have been avoiding the radio for the past six months only listening to country here and there. But country is not what it used to be. A lot about drinking and hooking up. And the women sing about shooting their husband. So I quit listening to country too.

And yes Lilli they do seek glory for themselves. It is so incredible how different you see things when you know the truth. I was so deceived and the # one deception I fell for is judge not.
Judge not so we can do whatever we want and not be questioned.
I feared passing judgement on anything.
It is a gross misrepresentation of the scriptures. It seems that the apostate church take a few scriptures and use them to control and make others feel as if they are wrong to require righteousness .

But once you are shown the truth it all changes. Like atmo joyo said in an hour your whole perspective can change.
Its like I was in a haze and the fog lifted.
He didn't leave me in the fog.
And I thank you all for standing up for the truth.
Bible Believer, thank you for your work on this blog. It has been a light in the darkness.
I pray for you all !
That we may run this race and never give up.
God bless you all

servant 4life

Lillianna White said...

Thank you to anon above!

God bless you too!
Amen to all of that!
( :
Agreed, God showed me with a few keystrokes too like atmo said.

The fog is lifted, it's like a veil is removed from what is going on all around us.

That 'judge not' is one of the biggest lies out there now, it's all planned to lead to ecumenism, one world religion, worldliness, evil, etc. The bible tells us to judge and discern, many times over. They use that out of context for their agenda.


Anonymous said...

1 Corinthians 2:15 - Don

Anonymous said...

Nice list of songs, Joy and Bible Believer. I remember most of those from singing them in the church that my parents took me to around 30 - 40 years ago. (It's now an emergent church). I came back to church several years ago and the music is now CCM, maybe some rock, maybe some heavy metal and/or rap! The stuff that I left behind is in church!

Sometimes I have rock or heavy metal songs just pop in my head that I'd like to forget.

Your number 1. song, Blessed Assurance, that is the song that I concentrate on to get that junk out of my head.

Yes, once you get into His Word and ask him to show you - He will show you the reality of the world we live in and you will never be the same.

Anonymous said...

Your right about that junk popping up in your head.
Once you learn a song you never forget it.
It makes me think of the verse that says to take every thought captive into the obedience of Christ .

And that's what I have to do also, I start singing a hymn that brings glory to my Lord.

Servant 4life

Bible Believer said...

I try to replace songs that aren't so good from my past that may pop in my head with a good hymn or other distraction. I agree about taking every thought captive into the obedience of Christ. Yes many of the churches have "modernized" switching to the CCM stuff. Years ago I saw some in progress of this, this is why they were separating services into traditional vs contemporary, I suppose that is being phased out as those old enough to protest have died off or left.

Here's another good hymn

Maybe I should do a post, doing a list, if anyone wants to add other favorite hymns go ahead here.

Anonymous said...

dear bible believer the cross is a pagan symbol.

Mom4Truth said...

Dear anon on Sept 23, just wanted to thank you for your comment. You are correct. Deuteronomy tells us that any man that hangs from a tree is accursed. This is echoed in Galatians. I very much appreciate that there are others out there that no longer adorn themselves with crosses. It's amazing how much we learn on this journey!

Bible Believer said...

1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Wouldn't this song fit the above more?

I have heard the arguments where people are against others wearing crosses saying it is like wearing a picture of a electric chair or noose. I've heard those out though people usually use the symbol with good intention--this is what Jesus did. I am against crucifixes of course. I suppose I see this song focusing on what Jesus Christ did for us. I don't go with JWs who believe that Jesus died on "stake".