Sunday, April 6, 2014

We Must All Examine Ourselves

2 Cor. 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? 

 Examining yourself is the mind set all Christians should hold. I've had enough sins during my life which I've asked God to forgive me for. This applies to all of us.

A dangerous place for a Christian to get to is where they think they know everything perfectly and have all the answers [outside of God's Word]. We still have human foibles and other things to overcome and should realize this can be true of others. Our attitude should be one of learning and progressing in the Holy Spirit. We all can sin or be wrong or make mistakes. I've had to rethink many of my beliefs, it took me time to see through the Pre-Trib Rapture and to even some of the things I've warned about on this board like Christian Zionism. I've been led down some rabbit trails, where God has had to tell me, "Hey wait a minute!" There are times I've misjudged people and situations even with good intentions and this happens from the other direction too. The person that writes this blog is definitely not perfect nor a "white picket fence" Christian.

 This doesn't mean joining the apostate or others who have watered down truth or wolves but having some mercy on other human beings for what they know and what truth they have been told or where they are presently at and having some GRACE for other human beings. The "god" that some Christians develop who fall into the pit of self righteousness can morph into a "god" of no mercy or grace. If your religion becomes one that makes you afraid, or feeling like you are walking on glass like you would with an abuser, then that means some of the grace has been lost. This is how spiritual abuse is advanced where people use religion to hurt others or to seek to control them. Some of them may be well-meaning people but falling into traps of their own.

 2 Thess 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, 

 One thing with Christians who have been given a lot of truth, such as becoming new world order aware, and finding out how this world really operates, that pit can be waiting especially if you confront so much evil in the world, and how it almost forms a pool for the entire world to swim in it. Even if one seeks holiness, here one must avoid that trap, especially viewing how very unholy the world is, one should have the attitude that God has given you many truths and this is His doing not your own.

 One also must realize while snakes abound there are also many souls to be reached out to, for you to share a seat in heaven with. We don't want to let self righteousness take us to a place where more deception of a more insidious versions lies. If one becomes a new world order aware Christian, and finds out how this world really works, that is good, as your mind is free from the globalist controllers, but it can have other pits waiting for you if you are not careful. Perhaps self righteousness as the "person in the know" is one of those things. Perhaps seeing the world as a place to exit from instead of spreading light and salt around is another. [Matt 5: 13-26] I hope to have avoided that, but I know it is a danger.

 Luke 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

 I am seeking out some Christian fellowship again, and praying it works out, I still have my radar on but praying this time it works out, so far so good but making sure I am seeking out the leading of the Lord in doing so. I will either last there, or you will see an article about it one day. Hopefully it will be the former and not the latter. I have realized, that I need fellow born again Christians around me especially given the fact I flew totally solo for 7 years, and of course there are standards I'm sticking to--use of the KJV Bible, non-ecumenical with Rome, etc, so in prayer, I am proceeding carefully.


Anonymous said...

I like this article very much. It speaks to me and where I am at, having gone for several years of "being aware" as you say has led me down quite a road of discovery these last years. Times of growing impatient with others, and times of grace both for myself and others. Times of learning and growing both hurts and is necessary at the same time.

Possibly being as cautious as you are will be to your benefit when seeking out others for fellowship because you are not naive or unaware of things. You have the ability to choose wisely. I find myself attending a church that I don't agree with on everything, and they would probably not take me into membership (nor do I want membership anymore) because I am not of the "reformed" thinking, however the fellowship and the preaching has been amazing. I have learned so much from their intensive scripture teaching. I find myself there for the "time being", and enjoying it knowing it may not be forever, but for now, it is enough and a safe haven.

For you I would pray for fellowship with other believers for we may not all believe exactly the same (hopefully on the basics), but we can love each other and grow together and that is something. To be part of the Body of Christ is wonderful, and if they are not wolves, but sometimes a little misguided, maybe we can accept that. It's difficult, because we can't help but wonder why do they think this way or that (especially knowing the Holy Spirit is teaching us believers) but amazingly people are often at different places in their faith and understanding.

I do not, however, have any patience with the deceivers and that's a whole different ballgame.

You are such an inspiration, my wish is that you will find an amazing support system. You are due, my friend!

Bible Believer said...

Yes it has definitely been a road of discovery and I relate to what you have written, there is a lot of learning and growing and testing things out with God's help.

Yes I am proceeding cautiously but hoping I have found some good Christian fellowship. I desire they be born again and following the Holy Spirit, but know not everyone is going to be in the same place too. Thanks you understood what I was talking about Labby. God bless you. :)

atmo joyo said...

Hi BB,

im agree with you,we must examining ourself and should not boasting that we are always right.
it can be traps for us because our enemies (devil)so cunning and had thousand years experience.
We need GOD to guide our life completely,salvation is gift.

2 Samuel 22:3 (kjv)
The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.
Isaiah 58:11 (kjv)
And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.
1 Timothy 6:4 (kjv)
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

And no worries about solo for 7 years no true christian arround u.
i have been solo for 35 years,born in catholic family in countries that more than 90% population are moslem
but GOD alway strengthened me everyday.
(God show me good version in bible being solo in Jesus Christ)

2 Peter Chapter 2:7-9
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)

9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Within His Word said...

That is something that Bob Coy taught routinely. However, he didn't do it for himself.

He spent years in adultery and pornography, and stepped down as pastor of Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale.

Anonymous said...

BB, you are an inspiration to me because you are full of grace. Not once on this blog have you written in cap locks or insulted anyone. Even with one poster's heresy of Paul being the antichrist, you were very gracious to her. Whatever church you are attending, it will be because God wanted to use you as a light there.

In Christ,


Bible Believer said...

Atmo Joyo, I agree, we should not boast that we are always right. Satan is so cunning and there so many traps and ditches to fall into without sticking to God's Word to lead us on our path. We need God to direct our steps and need to listen to the Holy Spirit who will not fail to warn us.
Good verses. Yes I ran solo a long time, I am still proceeding carefully but I know there are many in that position, especially in countries dominated by false religions. God showed me too which Bible held His Word too, within days of me being saved, I knew nothing about Bible versions but got a KJV. Thanks for the bible verses all good ones applicable here.

Psalm 25:5 Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day.

Bible Believer said...

I have posted about Bob Coy here before...

Definitely in deception, the man's soul was already in trouble to be teaching blatant Catholicism.

We all can fall and sin, but it is sad to watch these big time preachers do it, knowing the affect it will have on so many who falsely elevated them, and trusted in man.

Hopefully being outside of the CC system will lead him to better things.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks JL, I appreciate it. With the Paul thing, I know there are many teachers out there deceiving over Paul and rejecting his teachings so if someone is stuck in the grasp of one, I hope they can take the warnings seriously. Thanks regarding the church :)

Ed said...

Very good article. I have been flying solo for many years now, by only trusting and reading Gods word. I am a gospel musician playing in churches for a long time. Labby, your comments were an inspiration to me personally. I do realize there are no perfect churches that you can agree on every topic. I do believe if we as children of God can agree on the basics, (salvation, etc.) and agree to disagree on our secondary issues ( pre-trib rapture and so forth, and love our brothers and sisters in The Lord, we will be more able to do what God wants to do in our lives.
I am back in church again with some very wonderful people. Although the pastor preaches rapture,tribulation, etc. ,he brings forth the rest of the word of God very well. I a very much aware of the New World Order and such. Been studying it for over 25 years. Yes it is hard to be around other believers who do not understand and do not want to. That is where you have to be careful. You can get hard and judge mental against your fellow believers for no believing the way that you do. You cannot allow that to happen. It is good to be back in the house of God,serving and loving Him again. I have been able to use my music ministry in a way as never before. Appreciate you very much Bible Believer and your ministry.

Anonymous said...

Bible Believer, this is a very refreshing article that makes no compromise and yet leaves room for grace.

I don't agree with you on a couple of points, but they are not related to the true Gospel and salvation.

You are showing a humble spirit yet not budging on the truth.

I have found that there are believers at various stages of growth, and fellowship with them is at times a challenge, but yet we are told to love the brethren. Of course that is the TRUE brethren whose Gospel passes the "litmus test" of the Bible.

I have seen discerners become prideful in their knowledge and fall into that trap of the enemy. There is a reason that the Word tells us to speak the truth in love.

You are right about being cognizant of the true worldview and not to be taken in by the lies spewed forth all around us. But as you say, we should take this knowledge as a protection and not wear it as a badge of honor.

Not many Christians will read discernment blogs, but they need a flesh and blood Christian to defend the truth. Not in any way to demean the value of blogs such as yours, but it should encourage us to reach out more and be a light in this dark world.

Yes, there are opportunities to reach the lost in our midst if we will but pray for someone to cross our path. The only challenge is to be able to disciple them and plug them into a church as there are so few anymore that truly preach the Word. But we can at least leave material with them that will help them in their growth.

Thank you for this article and for sharing your heart. It meant a lot to me.

Lillianna White said...

Great comments!

I agree, we won't be perfect until in heaven.

What I think is, try to find one that out of good conscience looks to be true (albeit not perfect). There are some obvious 'no's' of course.

Get and give what you can out of it.

I will tell you another little item. As I have been looking for a good church, 1) I have come across many things first hand that God wanted me to see and know about, 2) I can use these things in the warning of others, 3) I have kept moving as a result of finding out about something (like the use of a heretical book, etc.), 4) in the process I have had opportunities due to getting connections where I was able to warn people of the situation, either directly or indirectly, and much more.

So, God can use us as a light in the darkness. Should we be isolated and not able to warn? Should our light be hidden under a basket? The enemy would love that. But this way, I have had the opportunity to warn SO many people in various ways. God will literally show you know, it's like a path lit before you. You are not partaking of the apostasy, you are countering it. There are so many ways, just having conversations with people. In love and grace, raise questions, share bible verses, pray for them, etc., at least you are doing all you can. In the meantime I have been blessed along the way also!

What can go wrong? Either you find a good one, or you warn many and post a warning in general about it, exposing the darkness. Be a light either way. Nothing is perfect, but God will guide your steps.
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God bless you sister, and all who are on here as well!

Lillianna White said...

Oops, that should read 'God will literally show you how, it's like a path lit beofre you.'

Sorry for the blurb!
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Anonymous said...

The evangelical church needs to examine itself. Christians stopped their donations to World Vision two weeks ago because they decided to hire gays. These right wing Christians are so political driven, that they rather see a poor child starve than to donate to a company that hires gays.

In Christ,


Anonymous said...

To JL,

The World Vision stuff is complicated. For many years I gave to them. For about the past two I haven't. Christians were hoping to give to an organization that feeds the hungry AND declares the gospel of Jesus Christ. I stopped giving because of the HUGE advertising budget and tie in to the UN and other NWO type organizations. Direct giving to those in need is the very best.

I still think giving through world vision CAN be appropriate, because you can pray for your sponsored child and send letters and bibles. There is still a personal connection. But I well understand why some have withdrawn support when they realized the organization did not stand for what they thought it did.


Anonymous said...

If you have to share with others about their unequal yokes and compromise and they don't want to repent and get away from things such as false Bible versions, rock music, occult movies, wrong companions, etc.) they will likely tell you that you have no grace and that you need to examine yourself.

In fact, people who refuse to repent from sin will always attack the person who is trying to exhort them toward righteousness. They will call you their enemy for telling you the truth.

If the person who is receiving godly counsel feels the need to attack and condemn the person who is lovingly exhorting them towards righteousness, then that person is the one who needs to examine himself.

Lillianna White said...

There is actually a great analysis of that on a site called 'Christian Research Network' and 'Apprising Ministries,' (and I think 'Stand up for the Truth' as well) I think they dissect it well. There are a lot of issues with World Vision, I have stopped donating to certain ministries for going into the apostasy. That is just my conviction. There are plenty of other poor I can help locally without contributing to the apostasy problem. When the mark of the beast arrives, we can't donate to anyone anymore anyway. There is a saying: God's will equals God's bill. There is truth to that.

Blessings to all.

Andrea said...

God bless you in your endeavors. May the Lord always continue to guide you and all of us as we tread the weary path of finding like minded fellowship. I recently went to a woman's "retreat" it was more like a conference; anyway, it was a blessing to hear the word of God, to be encouraged, edified, and exhorted by other women in Christ who are by no means perfect but also continually seeking the Lord's face and will in their lives. While among a few hundred godly women I still felt lonely for a honest true friendship. The enemy used that to defile a good work at the conference. In the end I concluded that Jesus is my honest and true friend, my closest friend is my husband and although I do have godly female friends it's ok to not have a bff. I rather trudge forward with my Lord and my husband than a fake fair weather friend! God brings people in our lives at varying times to varying degrees to grow us and use us. I truly pray you find fellowship because I know there are some of us out there among the tares seeking the same thing as you! God Bless you G4 ;-)

Lillianna White said...


I have turned this donating thing over several times and come to that conclusion above.

Also, I see a bigger pattern forming here. We didn't have this problem as much before, but now it's coming down to: give to a compromising organization in the name of helping the needy, or withhold the help due to a righteous principle. Others will decry the latter and accuse you of being self righteous and hypocritical, etc, but it is the right choice. These organizations don't have to side with apostates and sin, do they? The days are coming when we will be at that fork in the road: either stand for the truth of God's word against all else, or deny it in the name of 'helping the poor and needy' in the NWO. The tides are already turning so much in this direction and we need to prepare now, that is why I pulled the plug on these things and help locally.

I heard that about world vision too, a lot of organizations make it LOOK like they are sharing the gospel with the kids too, but they are not at all. Franklin Graham's Samaritan's Purse and Operation Christmas Child is another example, I heard that they actually REMOVE all references to Christianity, such as gospel tracts, etc., because it's 'culturally offensive'! I forgot which site I read it on, but have heard about it often. But they make it look like they are sharing the gospel so that more Christians will give. So we need to beware.
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Anonymous said...

Proverbs 25:21 says we should give food and water to our enemies.

1 Cor 6:7 says it's better to suffer being defrauded.

Luke 6:30 says we should give to every man that ask. So does Matt 5:42

If someone could provide a bible verse that states that we should give, except if _________(fill in the blank), I will reconsider my position.

BTW-constantly giving money to Uncle Wontlookforwork doesn't count. There is no bible verse that supports idleness.

In Christ,


Anonymous said...

Anonymous said: "
Luke 6:30 says we should give to every man that ask. So does Matt 5:42"

The Bible also teaches us to be good stewards and that we are accountable for what we know.

Lisa Ruby

Bible Believer said...

JL, I know you mean well but I do not think any Christian should give to World Vision either because of their serious connections to the United Nations. I don't know their particulars but many of these charities, the poor never see the money especially if they are elite driven. Charities like World Vision have the globalist vision kind of like the same as what I posted on the David Platt article:

See here about World Vision, notice the phrase "global engagement"

The poor children of the third world are better off, the more globalists stay away from them.

Bible Believer said...

I agree about direct giving, at least then you know where your money is going.

If you want to give overseas, try and find a bible believing Christian missionary, there are some out there.

Anonymous said...

I presume you are quoting the Matt 25 parable of the talents. If so, Christians who continue to donate to world vision will be thrown into hell. That is exactly what Matthew 25 says.

If you are quoting the parable of the unjust steward in Luke 16, the warning is to make friend with unrighteous mammon so that you may receive everlasting habitations. Again, this is a salvation issue.

So is giving to world vision a salvation issue? Nay

In reality, this is the issue that God cares about: what is our motive for giving? God looks at the heart for cheerfulness, love, and compassion. (2Cor 9:7, 1Pet 4:8, 1John 3:17)

Sisters in Christ, I love all of you and I don't want discord. So let us agree to disagree and be at peace. May God bless all of you richly.

In Christ,


Lillianna White said...


We cannot just blindly give. We need to be good stewards of the assets God has given us. I have given money to poor/orphans/homeless/missionary work, etc. but now I feel the conviction to pull out and give where I know it is going 'into the hand of the poor.' These organizations have all slowly been linking up with the nwo/owr agenda, I have seen it for myself. I can still give to someone in need, but I cannot contribute to that cause. Sometime the day will come and this will the the fork in the road:

join with us as we 'build God's kingdom here on earth,' as we help those in need, just become one with us


separating from all organizations and stand alone (even if you can't give anymore) without compromise, and look like a bigot to them but it's the only way to stand with the truth of the bible

If you don't see it as possible, just wait for the mark of the beast to get here, the one that 'solves all the world's economic problems'.

I struggled with it too, but like BB said, most of the $ doesn't even get there anyway. The poor we will always have among us, but we must stand with the Lord. I have a big heart for all the needy and the bible advocates for that all over. But now the days are evil. Pray about it and do as the Lord leads you.

Let us not forget to love one another!

In love,

Lillianna White said...

Here is the encouraging verse, I feel this applies to (among other things) all in the discernment ministry!
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35 “Be dressed in readiness, and keep your lamps lit. Be like men who are waiting for their master when he returns from the wedding feast, so that they may immediately open the door to him when he comes and knocks. Blessed are those slaves whom the master will find on the alert when he comes; truly I say to you, that he will gird himself to serve, and have them recline at the table, and will come up and wait on them. Whether he comes in the second watch, or even in the third, and finds them so, blessed are those slaves.

“But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have allowed his house to be broken into. You too, be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour that you do not expect.”

Peter said, “Lord, are You addressing this parable to us, or to everyone else as well?” And the Lord said,

“Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his servants, to give them their rations at the proper time?

Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk; the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more." Luke 12; 35-48

I do my part too (nuff said) but I want to use this to say thank you to all who are involved in the warnings about what is going on and what is to come! Never grow weary! God bless you all!
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Anonymous said...

I agree w/you BB about giving to World Vision or their ilk. We are to be good stewards and part of that is testing the spirit of the organization we donate to. The ends does not justify the means.

Yes, there are still some independent ministries (few and far between) that honor God's Word and have not sold themselves to the globalist view.

One good rule of thumb is if they advertise on TV, that is a red flag. Think of the huge amounts of $$$ that are spent on expensive advertisements, celebrity endorsements such as World Vision has, etc.

Believers, do your homework, your due diligence before you send donations. If you don't know of a good organization, search the internet and ask the Lord to lead you to one that is worthy of your support.

Anonymous said...

Good article, I was thinking about all this today.

Lillianna White said...

So let's sum it up:

1. Helping the poor is good. True.
2. Compromise is bad. True.
3. Many 'charities' are scams. True.
4. If a known wolf comes up and asks for money, we should refuse. True.
5. There are ways to give, or to do your good deeds without compromise. True.

So, there it is! No one can tell one not to give to (blank) charity, and no one can tell anyone else that they should give to (blank) charity.

I totally agree that some things we should just agree to disagree on, I mean, it's not a fundamental doctrine of salvation. We can share our views, and if we have different ones, let there still be love. If it's a fundamental, we can never compromise our stand. Often people get really bent over things, and then the egos come out, and it's a cannon battle in the trenches of the blog comments...

Amen? Or... amen?
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Anonymous said...

"If it's a fundamental, we can never compromise our stand."

Mom2boys seemed like a bible believing Christian until she started saying that Paul was the antichrist.

So for the record, this is what JL believes:

I believe every word that is in the bible. I only read the bible (KJV) with Strongs parallel, I reject all other books, commentaries, etc. I believe salvation is thru Jesus alone, and works cannot save us. I believe God in three persons, of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. May I mention again that I believe every word that is in the bible, both old and new testament.

Rejecting the nwo should not be our basis of unity because muslims and newagers reject the nwo as well.

In Christ,


Anonymous said...

Lillianna, as believers we are to edify one another and often that can mean alerting and warning others about giving to charities such as World Vision or others that have a bloated budget spent on advertising.

If someone wants to dishonor God by tossing the money He has blessed them with - it ALL belongs to Him - down the proverbial rat hole, that is one's choice, but we are all accountable to the Lord for where we give our money.

The Bible calls us to be discerning, to test the spirits, to be wise and this applies to our giving.

Biblical principles apply here and even if it isn't an issue of salvation, we are to live our lives in such a way to glorify Christ.

Christ is not glorified when we support a group that does not operate in a biblical way. Why would any Christian want to support a group like that?

Lillianna White said...

Hi BB,

Due to the speed with which things are now progressing I just wanted to share my list with you (and all, should this one be posted) regarding discernment and news sites. They are in addition to the ones you have links to (the Fanatic for Jesus one had good stuff earlier, but went in a funny direction). We really need to pray for them all. Surely it is a prime target of satanic attacks.

Of course, this is not an endorsement and there are things on all of them that I have had at least one issue with, but have gleaned useful information and news from so I use as a resource, with scrutiny as with everything:

Galatians 4 (Five star rating!***** top of my list!) ( ;

New Jerusalem Chronicle (not updated, but Wolves in Sheep's Clothing is a must read)

Christian Research Network

Apprising Ministries

Spiritual Research Network

Biblical Discernment Ministries

Apostasy Watch (click on 'new stuff')

Lighthouse Trails and Understand the Times newsletters* (click on information, then news and articles blog on tab bar)

End Time Watchers

Last Days Watchman (2 of these exist)

Abandoned to Christ

End Times Prophesy Report

Stand Up for the Truth

Calvary Chapel Watchman (sister site of the Ephesians 5;11 blog, only he got funny about religious freedom) ( ;

Calvary Chapel Abuse

Another Voice

Vigilant Citizen

I know I ran into more but didn't always write them down.

Obviously as I said, I don't agree with everything on these, but it has been a great resource in general for staying on top of events and getting the big picture.
Just for your info.
Let me know what you think of these and maybe wait with the post, or add to it? Just some thoughts... I feel that sharing is good.

In love and peace,
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Lillianna White said...


By fundamental, that is what I meant, the fundamentals of the faith, we can't compromise on those but we have leeway on other things.
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Lillianna White said...

Hi again,

Yes, I totally agree with that. We are to warn others about these things, in fact that is what blogs like this are for. We just can't tell anyone what to do or what not to do, that is between them and God. We can just offer the helpful information.

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And I do love and appreciate all of you on here too!

To God be the glory!

Bible Believer said...

I agree we can warn about World Vision, I am not sure how it works, if someone already is assigned a child they are sending money to, maybe they would have to pray about what to do, and make up their mind with God, but in general I would warn to stay away from World Vision, because it does have strong strong globalist and UN agendas.

I agree that we need to check stuff out the best we can.

I am glad you believe in God's Word JL and recognize the KJV instead of following one of the corrupt versions.

Agree about rejection of the NWO not being source of unity. the internet is full of blogs that expose the NWO, where the people participating are atheists, new agers, etc.

I am glad you like my blog Lilianna, thanks. I read New Jerusalem and Wolves in Sheep's clothing. I did not agree with Matt about the Nephilim but there as lots of good information there. Christian Research does share a lot of news-stories, I do not know who runs it. Apprising has good information but I have reservations of that website--it's related to the Walter Martin network as I call it. Spiritual Research Network, I only discovered them recently and do not know much about them. BDM never seen, Apostasy Watch--I think they have linked here. Be careful of Lighthouse Trails, I know you were not around during the times I was questioning Roger Oakland.

Some of those others I have not heard of. Calvary Chapel Abuse, yes that is the would be abused son of Calvary Chapel pastor, be warned his views of Christianity are not bible-believing ones. Another voice is linked here. Vigilant Citizen be mindful of what I wrote about here:
I don't endorse websites here anymore though I have a list of ones I visit on here too. We all have to discern wherever we go online.

I think with Mom, her dismissing a huge chunk of the NT rejecting Paul's writings, is definitely crossing "one of those fundamentals" lines.

Lillianna White said...

Hi BB,

I totally agree with all you said. And we have to be discerning with everything and never let our guard down, especially these days. I found things on these that were helpful but usually noticed a red flag or so as well, so I just shop with discrimination (scrutiny). I put the warning there too and thanks for your feedback. I know that too about the Calvary Abuse, but it's good to know about what has been going on too in that way.

Yes, fundamentals are doctrines we accept at salvation (deity of Christ, atonement, etc.) and I never meant the nwo or anything. I was saying that we can have leeway on other things like some believe the gifts are for today, some don't, but we can't compromise on the fundamentals (saved by grace, born as sinners, etc.) So many comments get misunderstood and this never happens when in person, I guess I have to clarify things more. (Then I won't spend days backtracking trying to fix all the loose ends!) ((;

And yes, I have loved your blog since I found it, so again thank you for all your hard work here (I can imagine some of the comments you don't post!) I just try to encourage believers to be loving. My bad. (just kidding)

That mom lady is crazy. (and yes, they can quote me on that). Even Peter validates Paul in one of his letters. Paul's letters are part of the Word of God. How can anyone say something like what she said?! I believe we have the bible in the form it's in for a reason and is perfect and intended to be as it is, no more, no less. It is called the sword of the spirit in Ephesians 6.

Peace to you all.

Anonymous said...

Something to consider about World Vision and Feed the Children and others who advertise heavily - I have been told that WV has a number of sponsors for each child, not just one. And there is a question as to exactly how much the funds really get to the child or are eaten up in administrative and advertising costs and sponsoring concerts and events put on by "Christian" superstars.

Believers have a heart to help needy children and we are to extend charity to those in need, but the instrument we choose needs to be wisely and carefully and prayerfully selected.

Discernment needs to be the order of the day as there are many counterfeits including those posing as "discernment" sites. They may have their doctrine correct but they are caustic downright rude with anyone who disagrees with them or they may have the wrong doctrine. For example, Apprising is run by a Calvinist. We can differ on certain areas but still glean information, but false doctrine that goes to the heart of the Gospel is unacceptable.

We definitely live in perilous times that call for much wisdom and we need to help and edify one another.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks Lillianna, I am glad you found my blog and thanks for your comments. I agree online we have to be very careful with the discernment ministries, many are run with an agenda. There are some who will warn about everything under the sun and then you realize they are Calvinists or have some other false avenue to sell a person or cover up, or other deceptions.

I agree about the fundamentals and then the other stuff believers can examine. Understand the loose ends sort of thing. That's one reason I gave up all endorsements, there can be a place that may take me time to figure out. We are all only human.

Yes there is a lot I don't post.

With Mom, I do not understand why this anti-Paul thing is growing except it seems to be a fringe belief, I heard of it when I was first online as a Christian oddly through a deceptive website--Sherry Shriner. It was strange to me as it is now, so these people toss out half the NT and think its alright? A lot of it is so illogical I don't get how it has grown so popular out there.

Anon, I wonder too how many of the children actually see the funds. I don't know how it works, do the children write letters back, or do they just send individual photos and tell you this is the child your money is going to? A lot of charities, there is corruption and misuse of funds and high salaries that go along with them. Counterfeit charities and also big name ones also that back up the NWO agendas. [the reason World Vision "folded" on homosexuality]

I agree about the discernment websites, be careful. LOL I tend to trust the ones more that are less polished. There aren't a bunch of researchers with an "authority" on every nit without ever a grammatical error. That is the way to tell if someone "real" is writing it but even there BE CAUTIOUS. Some of these places produce so much reams of writing, one can see them having employees. I am behind this week writing here, try to get articles up once a week, and working on a few including one on Division, but that is something I've noticed about these websites.

I didn't realize Apprising was a Calvinist, knew he was SBC which bothered me enough beyond the pro-Catholic Walter Martin worship. Of course SBC means Calvinist more and more.

Agree we need to be cautious in these times, definitely, praying for one another.

Oh one way to denote a phony from the real deal, though yes we all sin, is if you write them and try to warn them of something, they get angry, or ignore you or brush you off. I wrote Apprising years ago warning about Walter Martin, [the pro-Roman Catholicism leaving the RCC out of his book on cults] One sees interesting responses.

Anonymous said...

If John Hagee is wrong, we'll all see that. And if he's wrong, I don't believe it will be because he deliberatelty intended to mislead us. Whether you agree or disagree with what John Hagee preaches, I don't beliieve any us can deny that he is a man of conviction who believes what he says is true. If his teachings about The Four Blood Moons are close, then others will have to readjust their thinking. So I agree with what I read here and I suggest we refrain from name calling and vitriolic assertions aimed at those we disagree with now. We may agree with them later.. Walk in faith and wait and see what God has planned next.

Anonymous said...

Speaking about those who are throwing the Apostle Paul under the bus, there is another vein of thinking that glorifies Paul above all others. They are the ultradispensationalist who do not believe that water baptism is for today and the more extreme ones don't believe in the Lord's Supper.

Strange world, isn't it?

More and more like the Twilight Zone. :-)

Anonymous said...

People seem to they and discredit Paul quite a bit. I was flipping through the channels one day years ago and there was a celebrity on TBN (I don't watch their programming) saying that the thorn in Paula side could have been homosexuality. I could barely believe she said it,even for those wolves.


Lillianna White said...

Hi everyone!

Great comments! This is what I thought these places were for... so great! I had this list and there seem to be good things on them but not everything. I don't know it all either and was hoping for some feedback, so thanks BB!

Totally agree on the Walter Martin stuff, I remember him from back in the day denying that the RCC is a cult on the Christian Research Institute (a caller asked why they don't include the RCC and the lame answer given was because 'for a while it was the only show in town' as if that justifies anything) Well, of course the RCC is a cult! It is obvious and any Spirit filled believer sees it.

But it is great if we can help each other here, that was my goal in sharing this list. We should share lists of good and bad discernment sites and ask for feedback from others.

Yes, I have been hearing about fraudulent charities forever. All the funds get sucked to those at the top while just a few pennies fall 'under the table' so I avoid it more than ever now, especially with the compromise with apostasy I see everywhere. There are other ways to help.

I have heard negative things about John Hagee, I forgot what, people can google it though (another tool I do all the time is: just type a person's name in (like his), and a comma and the word 'heresy' or 'concerns' and waa-laa!)

Also, yes, I agree completely with that above comment about refraining from name calling and hostility and the like. Remember, you will know a tree by its fruit!
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Hi BB,

As for the video, I don't know how to make a link that way, but you can access it by going to the Lighthouse website, the first page has a link called 'find information,' on top, click there and select 'news and articles' blog. Then scroll down to the one about the interview with the pope's man and copeland, it gives a big commentary on it, I didn't watch it but read it and my stomach was turning already. The video has a picture of an Italian looking priest and copeland (I think it's him).

Thanks again and blessings to all.

Anonymous said...

I ask this out of love from all of those who are anti-World Vision.

Could you post a link of the charity that you personally give to? I am not interested in any links that one has never donate to. Thank you in advance.

jl, the humble slave of EL ELYON

Anonymous said...

Wow, sorry for all those spelling errors. I'll try again. An actress on TBN said that the thorn in Pauls side could be that he was a homosexual. I was shocked when I heard it. It seems like a lot of wolves are trying to discredit the work of Saint Paul.


Anonymous said...

J L , you could find a single mom or some elderly folks to help. I like to give to a local food bank. I live in a rural area with high unemployment that has impacted families. I also have given to a missionary that I personally know. Even there, I know I do not see eye to eye with him an everything, he is a big supporter of John MacArthur and I try to support people less and bible more. But this is a person I know, and I know his character, stand for the truth, and willingness to share the gospel. And like I said much earlier in this conversation, I gave for many years to World Vision. Because there is that personal aspect of the particular child you are sponsoring it might be good for you to continue.


Anonymous said...

Slave of El Eyon?

Do your own research. Look for ministries that are humble with shoestring budgets but big hearts and sound doctrine. Pray and ask God to lead you to one if you are truly sincere. The only thing that commenters are "anti" about is organizations that spend mega millions on advertising and promotion. This is not a good sign.

Lillianna White said...

Hi JL,

I used to donate to more places but the thing is now it's getting harder and harder, so I do it locally too. There are so many homeless in the metro area I live in so I can't give enough as it is.

The best advice I would have is just this: pray about it. I don't mean that in a snide way, I have prayed about this and had an actual response open up to me, God will guide you. I agree, research all you can. It's nice to have assurance that the money actually gets to the kid and not the fat cat in the corner office on the top floor. (:

I recently came across a Gideon's Int. that gives out bibles and was going to look into it as I never did. Does anyone have info. on that?

I have always had a big heart for orphans and some churches sponsor trips to orphanages (of course I live near the Mexican border so that makes it easy for this). I do a lot of volunteer work in such ways and it is a 'bless your socks off' sort of thing.

JL, I just want to say that I admire your enthusiasm to help those in need in any way and your love and generosity in this. God will honor your diligence and provide a way for you to continue.

We all love you JL!
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Anonymous said...

Dear Anon,

Here is a list of the names of God:

Slave is synonymous with the word Servant. I chose to go with the word slave because it is the most lowly title of servanthood.

Thank you Lillie for the kind words. You are also very enthusiastic in the Lord and I recognize that in you, and all the others, except one person who the Lord knows.

I take God's word very seriously for this very reason: I have an illness that will cut my life very short, unless God decides to heal me. So I don't have much time. I want to spend my time glorifying the Lord, saving souls, and giving alms. However, really, none of us have much time. We are all on borrowed time.

I love to give, and I have given to world vision, the church, and several rescue missions until I lost my income. Giving doesn't have to be monetary, as you can use your talents to help others by volunteering.

Praying is also the best way. (no I did not take it as being snide) :)

I love you guys I and my pray is that I may see all of you in glory.

jl, slave of EL ELYON