Wednesday, April 16, 2014

Vatican Delegation to Saddleback at Rick Warren's Church

Rick Warren appeared on the Catholic news show "World Over" on EWTN and spoke of a Vatican delegation to Saddleback. Rick Warren as we know, is ecumenical to the core and a worker for Rome's building of the one world religion.

Early on Warren praises Pope Francis, saying "he is doing everything right.", "this is what the world expects a Christian to do", "if you love Pope Francis, you'll love jesus". Then he talks about his parents and that his father taught him how to get along with a pauper or a king. Next up, they discuss his P.E.A.C.E plan where Warren says he sent over 23,000 of his church members overseas to help carry it's agenda. One interesting statement is when Arroyo says to him, of people overseas, that he is truly "non-denominational", well of course he would be to advance the false ecumenism. Warren responds with the statement, "You love jesus, you're all in the same camp." At the 14:00, he speaks of the essentials and liberty in the non-essentials, of course applying this to Catholicism and more of the ecumenical message. The apostate church, sure is bigger then China or India.

They cover the phony "religious freedom" subject related to Hobby Lobby. Warren states that he believes "religious liberty may be the civil rights issue of the next decade". Which is rather ominous considering what is planned regarding persecution of real Christians in this world. The focus on this false "religious liberty" is an advanced Trojan horse, to continue what the false culture wars did uniting the churches into the one world religion.  At 19:41, Arroyo, talks about the Vatican sending a delegation to Saddleback. Warren speaks of agreeing with the Vatican delegates on re-evangelizing "Christians in name only".  Can any of my readers figure out the bishop's name they are stating? Warren then talks about his "health" pursuits for the rest of the video, and states, "It's not about me!"

Warren's latest Mental health project with Catholic clergy


Within His Word said...

Yes, I just wrote an article on my little blog, titled, "Rick Warren is a catholic man".

Thank you for exposing this. How far does this guy have to go, until Bible believers cut him loose?

It just tells me, that those that follow him, are not Bible believers.

At "best", they believe in "Christian culture", which is NOTHING.

Bible Believer said...

Hey if the Vatican is coming to visit the guy, he probably has been taking "directions" from them for years. I doubt any real bible believers are still in that church but even then I see people who should know better supporting the guy.

FaithGuy3 said...

FYI, I've crossed paths with people who have autism and mentally handicapped children. They are the most reserved, quiet, emotionless-looking, and humble people you'll ever meet. And to boot - they make ALOT of sacrifices for their children(ie-wives don't have jobs b/c they spend hours on what foods and what other info to help their children, they don't have much of a social life, etc).

Pt being that what Warren and his wife have done after his son committed suicide was probably the most vile and wicked thing anyone could have ever imagined - They gave a press release almost immediately after his suicide. They blamed guns. They mourned PUBLICLY(ie-they came with SAD faces in front of the cameras months later). They shook their fists at God(ie-Warren kept saying, "Mental illness took my son!"). Despite saying psychiatrists and drugs couldn't help their son, they ARE pushing the psychiatry agenda in their "mental health" program. They admitted that they also gave care of their son to a Catholic Bishop. The list goes on. Ultimately, the Warrens just dragged their son in the mud for over a year now.

And like said above - parents of mentally handicapped children are reserved, and make alot of sacrifices for their children. On the contrary, the Warrens gave their careers primary attention(ie-they wrote books, had a 24/7 busy travel schedules, etc). Do you really think they spend any time with their children, much less made any sacrifices for their
son who committed suicide last year?

No, I'm NOT defending lost people - but I've seen even lost people with autism/mentally handicapped children act quiet, act humble, and know how to hide their emotions. But somehow a Christian pastor of over 30 years just ranted and raved in front of the cameras(and his Twitter/Facebook accounts too)? He really made a mockery out of Christianity out of doing so!

On the contrary - I've seen these NON-Christian movie stars like Sylvester Stallone, Paul Newman, and Carroll O'Conner whose children died after significant struggles, and they themselves just hid from public life and made their words few for several months(and then when they would show up again, they would have a SMILE).

BTW - I recently read a story of an 8 year old autism boy(or he may have been a bit older) who LOVES reading his bible. And I've also read other stories like dislectic(sp) people understanding the KJB through and through.

There should be NO excuse for anyone, NONE, when it comes to getting saved and studying God's word daily.

Bible Believer said...

I am quite familiar with autism. With autistics or Aspergers they may show less of the emotions but they are there. Many just have difficulty showing them. I have seen the kind parents taking care of their children and even others with children with serious learning disabilities, developmental delays or even ones who became mentally ill as adults-bipolar, schizophrenia, depression etc.

I feel like Warren definitely mugged for the camera, and it was a dishonor to his son's memory. I felt like I was watching a severely narcissistic/sociopathic parent in action who saw a suicide son as a "good career" move. Where was the normal sadness and despair as he was busy with interviews and press releases?

And think about this, it opened the door right for his Catholic included Mental health intiatives.

His son was used as a vehicle for more career advancement, the timing was so soon too. I can understand someone losing a son or daughter joining up with some organizations, speaking out, but the timing here was SO FAST.

The blaming of guns was more active politicking. Using his son there too. Trying to impress NWO and liberal politicians like Obama.

You are right the non-believers acted with more love, kindness and decency here then Rick Warren. Of course I consider him a "lost" person as well.

All those sacrifices the parents make for handicapped children, I find myself thinking that Warren's son was lost in the mix, ignored for his father and mother's seeking of the limelight and fame. If you think about the constant intiatives, projects, hobnobbing with politicians, travel, when did Warren even have time for any of his children?

The psychiatry world is another world. I believe many of the drugs worsen people's problems. Wish I had time to write about some of those issues though others have covered it a bit in depth.

I feel for his son, imagine a father like that?

Autistic and other handicapped folks can be led to salvation too, glad to hear about the 8 year old boy. :)

david said...

hey guys-

makin the rounds over here. Ugh, Rick Warren. Ya'lls insights are spot on but Im wondering, is it not possible that in the cases of the listed movie stars and rick w, that what we are seeing is ritual sacrifice killing? 2 kings 3:27 after all....and at the level these folks are at its more than possible. its highly probable me thinks....just a thought

Lillianna White said...


I also think that about everything that looks spontaneous is fabricated and orchestrated with an agenda in mind.

Bible Believer said...

Have any of you heard of the 27 club?

Bible Believer said...

David, We won't know for sure in this case, but I believe that human sacrifices happen all the time. Some of the celebrity deaths seem to be marked and there are websites that delve into this such as the odd symbols and more with Michael Jackson as an example or Amy Whitehouse. Ever wonder why the rate of death in entertainment is so extraordinarily high? They claim they are all on drugs, but lets just say some really do sell their souls to Satan and "pay the price". I don't go deep into some topics, don't want to turn this place into Vigilant Citizen or a constant litany of one eye Horus symbols and celebrities sold out to Satan though I do general warnings at times....but if you read up on websites that expose MK-ultra--be careful many are false opposition, and how Satan runs so much on this planet and the symbols they mark themselves with, the depths of evil they all go to in this world.

FaithGuy3 said...

FYI - anyone notice that these FAKE discernment ministries have NOT said a word exposing Warren over the last year? If they did, they pretty much were rehashing things they've already said before.

Coincidence that Warren's "mental health" agenda(he's doing with the RCC) has come in during this time?


atmo joyo said...

Hi BB,

Those false teachers or false prophets like rick warren,bill graham,catholic cardinals etc (beast from the earth),
promote religious freedom but their ultimate goal is one world religion.
its only devil's flip flop.
their real goal is make all people to worship pope.
those who worship the Pope are actually worshipping the Devil.
pope equally the sea-divinity, who in that capacity wears the mitre of Dagon (Beast from the sea)
kings and ambassadors required to kiss the Pope's slipper,this is copied from chaldean idolatry,kiss pope's slipper meaning worship pope who represent lucifer in world

2 Peter 2:19 (KJV)
While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
Revelation 13:11 (KJV)
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Revelation 13:1 (KJV)
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Bible Believer said...

Yes I've noticed that too, they are ignoring the latest happenings with Rick Warren.

I always thought Warren one day would publically meet with the Pope etc, and well they are taking things step by step. Look at Calvary Chapel where they used to warn of Warren but then the leaders started welcoming him to meetings etc.

It's all about setting people up and slowly getting them used to something so they will embrace it.

Bible Believer said...

atmo yes they are all false teachers and setting up the one world religion now. Francis as we know has been joining up more and more officially with the Pentes and other evangelicals.
I agree about those worshipping the Pope.

I am of the belief the Pope is antichrist in general--the office etc, but that the final antichrist will be a Pope.

Yes other Christians have disagreed with this saying they believe the Pope will have a false prophet position but more and more I came to the conclusion there was a reason so many false evangelical ministries were pointing away from the Pope and pointing to a would be big bad world leader. They all held that in common.

All the leaders of this wicked world report to the Pope. Obama even went recently just like his predecessor Bush to scrape and bow and probably take orders.

Interesting Beast from the Sea--Dagon it makes sense and two horns like a lamb, speaking like a dragon with those "hats" too.

atmo joyo said...

Hi BB,

beast from the sea (REV 13:1) ;
We has seen that, about the very time when the Bishop of Rome was invested with the Pagan title of Pontifex Maximus, the head of Paganism.
he set himself to propagate the old Babylonian doctrine of baptismal regeneration.
saviour began to be called Ichthys, or "the Fish," thereby identifying Him with Dagon, or the Fish-god;
what has gone under the name of the worship of Christ, has just been the worship of that same Babylonian divinity,
with all its rites and pomps and ceremonies, precisely as in ancient Babylon.
When Pope has risen to all this height of power and blasphemous assumption. ( compared with 'wilfull king' in Daniel 11:36 )

beast from the earth (Rev 13:11) ;
The work he did led mankind to worship the first beast (Rev 13:12)
Rome saints that showed their miraculous powers (cant be rome saints without miracles)
clergy (cardinal,bishops,priests) as a corporate body, consisted of two grand divisions--the regular and secular clergy
answering to the two horns or powers of the beast, and combining also

By comparing the passage before us with Revelation 19:20,
it will be manifest that this beast that "came up out of the earth" is expressly called by that very name: false prophet

Revelation 13 (KJV)
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Daniel 11 (KJV)
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

Revelation 19 (KJV)
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Anonymous said...

Here is another slant on the tragic death of Warren's son. It served to give him a pass from scrutiny because people didn't want to come across as callous and unsympathetic to their loss.

Yes, there is legit biological mental illness that requires treatment. But this tragedy has been turned into a demonic agenda to further suck in the gullible.

Those who would not heed the early warnings about Warren and Purpose Driven have turned themselves over to the spirit of deception. They have been duped into not knowing how to discern truth from error and they are content in that deception and will even defend what should be obvious is the spirit of anti-Christ.

Some may be Christians who falsely believe they are not to judge and have not been properly taught how to discern good from evil. The responsibility for this falls right at the feet of pastoral leadership that has spurned the voices of those crying in the wilderness, trying to alert and warn. And now even as the agenda is being boldly exposed for what it is, the mask is coming off, they still can't see through the fog of delusion.

These are indeed perilous times. It all comes down to what is the true Gospel and what is not. So very few believers even have a clear picture of what the true, uncompromised Gospel is. If they did, they would immediately recognize the Roman Catholic system of works and that Warren can profess all he wants to know the Gospel, but he speaks out of both sides of his mouth.

It is a sad state of affairs. Thank you BB for bringing this interview to our attention. I am going to pass it on to some who continue to believe Warren is a good guy in the hopes that there is still a chance that it might wake them up.

Lillianna White said...

Hi all,

On the Rick Warren thing - yes, that thought occurred to me too, that it was a ritual sacrifice. It's just like a thought that popped in. That is how it works. They make a sacrifice (blood, occult rituals) to the devil, and he grants them their wish. Not a coincidence, like someone said too, that so many famous people have that 'happen.' Also, I noticed all the excuses being made for him too...'ah, but his son died,' and all that, with the implied 'let's cut him some slack,' sort of thing. Sorry, won't work with me. I have suffered too and I ain't makin' no excuses! ( ;

To JL and others: We will keep you all in our prayers! Here is a big hug for you all-> ((( ))) !
Lot's of love to you and that is heartbreaking to hear, but I will see you there (JL!) and to the other one, just seek out advice from the police on this matter about the stalker. The days are evil.

On the pope:
My gut feeling is that it is him.
(Let the reader understand...). Maybe not, but he's sure filling the shoes well. I noticed it too that all the churches have been pointing to the antichrist being a 'political guy.' But, notice that the pope holds both religious AND political office! Vatican CITY. (or country actually).

I have noticed the following things:

1. There is a Holy Trinity, and an unholy trinity. (Father, Son, Holy Spirit and devil, antichrist, false prophet) The Son glorifies the Father, the Holy Spirit glorifies the Son and the Father and directs worship to Jesus (and the Father). The Father gave Jesus His throne to reign. The Holy Spirit was given to the church after Jesus ascended and presented Himself (see Hebrews).
Among other titles, Jesus is a King and High Priest (political and spiritual positions of authority).

Now, the antichrist will glorify the devil, who will give him his authority over the earth and his 'throne'. (Ask me for bible verses if you doubt this stuff). The false prophet arises after the antichrist makes his debut and directs worship to the antichrist (and devil).

I've been putting pieces together for over a year now.

Also, do some digging into the past of pope francis when he was in Argentina (political dissidents were rounded up, tortured, and killed under the government without opposition and even with some involvement, speaking of sacrifices...) it's all on the internet. Rick Warren has been making the headlines more and more right behind the heels of pope francis and has been doing a lot of... uh... advocating for him and catholic things in general lately.

Just another thought to throw out there. Remember, these characters won't slide on stage wearing banners announcing their identity and role in the end time events during history's final act.

A word of encouragement: The true bride knows who her bridegroom is, hears His voice, and follows Him, and is loyal unto death. It is the harlot who compromises for comfort and ease. (more symmetries...)

Yup, it's definitely picking up momentum!
( :

Anonymous said...

I’m glad some others appear to have finally connected the dots regarding Rick Warren’s son’s death. I’ve researched this quite a bit and am convinced that his death was a sacrifice or at the very least faked to serve the “gun control/mental health” agenda. There is just to much pointing in that direction for it all to be a coincidence. Consider the following info and make up your own mind:

Matthew Warren’s death was on 4-5-13
Check the numerology:
( He was 27 yrs old) BB made a reference to the “27 club” earlier in this comment thread.

*Please make note: This very same day Joe Biden dropped a “New World Order” reference at the Export Import Bank conference on 4-5-13

See this link to watch it:

Please realize on this same date (April 5th) Both Kurt Cobain (singer for Nirvana and also a member of the "27 club”) and Layne Staley (singer for Alice in Chains) died
Kurt Cobain 4-5-1994
Layne Staley 4-5-2002

I don’t say this as a hater but both Staley and Cobain were completely sold out to Satan. I was a huge fan of both these guys and their bands before I got saved. Cobain stated that his goal was to “get stoned and worship Satan"

Here’s a link to info on that quote:

And after Staley’s death his surviving band members put out an album titled
“The Devil put Dinosaurs here” as a mockery of Christians
The release date for this album was:

I want everyone to understand that two other prominent “Pastors” (i.e. wolves and Luciferians) also have had their sons die. That would be Greg Laurie and Chuck Missler whose sons, Christopher and Chip respectively, also died.

Check out the numerology on their deaths as well:

Christopher Laurie (33yrs old):
7+24+0+8=39 (3x13=39 *Note that Pope Francis was “crowned” on 3-13-13)

Chip Missler (39 yrs old)
August 1998

I understand this possibly delves too far into “conspiracy theory” for some to accept. But if you look at the big picture of who these guys really are and who they serve, I feel that between the marked dates and numerology and how perfectly Matthew Warren’s death fits into the process of the furthering their agenda, it is simply too much to overlook.

FaithGuy3 said...

Anom - Warren could never get the basic timeline facts straight over his son's suicide.

He said that it happened on a Friday night(4/5/13) after they got back from a family outing.

HOWEVER, the Orange County coroner said he died on that Friday MORNING.


These wolves will almost always expose their own lies.

Anonymous said...

FaithGuy3 you are judgemental at best!

There are plenty discernment ministries who HAVE exposed Warren.

FYI Bible Believer is NOT the first person who posted on this video of Warren meeting with Arroyo.

Try reading other forums before you jump the gun and ASSUME!

Anonymous said...

Depends on who you are looking at BB, your blog is not the end all be all in "discernment" issues. There are others who do expose, am
NOT defending Lutheran Calvinist Chris Rosebrough for example, but there ARE others who expose.

Anonymous said...

Actually it was Marsha West is who exposed this first, for the ones saying that no one else exposes Rick Warren but BB. West exposed this a week BEFORE BB did and so did John Lanagan. So quit making it a competition on who exposes what and who doesn't expose what!

Bible Believer said...

Is that you Ruth?

When did I ever say this blog was the be end and end all of discernment blogs?

Where did I say this is a competition? I want there to be overlap. More people exposing the better.

I don't have time to post on every issue. I'm just one person.

Actually yes many of them expose Rick Warren but what they leave off is interesting. That is what I mean. Some may miss the history here and the context where we discussed for years how some warned about Rick Warren but then embraced other deceivers, like Billy Graham or made excuses for the support of Rick Warren by Calvary Chapel leaders. Hmmm they "warned" about him years ago but what did it mean in the long run? I am curious if you are Ruth do you still support Calvary Chapel even NOW?

Now sure not every blogger is going to catch every issue or have time to post on everything but what is interesting is what is left out.

Isn't Marsha West a Newswithviews writer? I was trying to figure out where I've seen the name.

John Lanagan? A Rapture Ready writer?

Bible Believer said...

Thanks other anons for sharing links and those discrepancies. We would not be able to know things for sure, but with these high level elites, even religious ones all sorts of things could be going on. Warren is high up enough to be an "inside player". the CFR membership speaks to that.

It could have been faked or a sacrifice.

We do know his son's death however it occurred was definitely used for elite agendas.

1. Warren's program with Catholics for mental health.

2. More gun control influence.

Yes many times dates and other things are suspect, we know satanic elites go by the numbers so to speak. Cobain was another one who was sold out to Satan.

How old was Cobain when he died?


I found this link {NOT AN ENDORSEMENT}

Looks like someone else mentioned the 27 thing.

Some of the quotes from the Warrens bugged me.

"Honestly, it's been very hard coming back because I knew we would be overwhelmed," Kay Warren said. "We said at Matthew's memorial service that we were devastated by the death of our son, but we're not destroyed by it. As much as I dreaded coming, because this is hard ... it's great to be here with the people who love us, and it is also great to stand and affirm, again, our faith."

Why would you brag that you are not destroyed by someone's death? Seems an odd thing to say.

"Warren explained that his absence from church—he was replaced several times by guest preachers, including Perry Noble of South Carolina's NewSpring Church, who provided a very humorous sermon about letting go of the past before Warren's arrival on stage at the end of the service—is not a big deal in the big picture. He will take "two or three months to recharge."

"I've been here 33 years and I'm going to be here a whole lot longer," he said.

He did admit to being exhausted physically and mentally from the grief, "but spiritually I've never been stronger, I've never been closer to the Lord, never had more confidence in God, never been more comforted, never felt more love from God because I've spent a lot of time with Him in these days."

Notice how they make it all about THEMSELVES.

"We're not destroyed"

"I've never been stronger....

"I've never been closer to the Lord...[not a bad statement in itself but think context]

""I'm still standing," Warren continued."

Vapid sociopathic narcissism on display IMO, I know I may offend a few readers saying it.

Son Matthew remains a cipher we barely his own parents use him to sell themselves and they tell us NOTHING about him or his MEMORY.

think about that,

and Warren makes sure to mention how he has been at it for 33 years....

Bible Believer said...

Did he say it happened on a Friday night?

I saw this quoted in huffington post...

" Today, after a fun evening together with Kay and me, in a momentary wave of despair at his home, he took his life.”

The Washington Post link is down that you provided.

Anonymous said...

No I am not Ruth, my name is Jeff.

And there have been dicernment people who HAVE exposed Graham as well as CC AS WELL as Warren. Are they all right? No. But for you to say they "other discernment" people do not see or expose the whole picture make YOU out as all knowing and with perfect discernment. Whatever happened to your "examine ourselves" post where you so openly say that you realize not everyone sees the same things?

So yes that is why I made the comment about your blog not being the end all be all in discernment blogs, because you and your readers set yourselves up as the only ones who see whats really going on. There is a word for that...pride.

You can think I am being rude, and that is fine, but thats is how you all come across. Do I agree with all the other discernment blogs? No I do not. Do I think some of them are shady? Yes. But what I do not see is them setting themselves up as know it all like the tone is here on this blog.

You say we should all examine ourselves, why yes of course, but we all need to follow our own advice. And I direct this not so much to you BB but some of your arrogant readers like FaithGuy3.

Anonymous said...

Goes to show your lack of maturity when your pride is pointed out you never approve those comments now do you. Pretty sad!

Anonymous said...

Wow - I had the thought come across my mind about a month ago that it could have been a sacrifice. I'm glad somebody else said it, too.

I did not know he was 27, to boot.

But I did notice how the death was used to silence people who spoke out against Warren's false teaching. And bring about the Catholic joining of the mental health thing.

I have a friend I went to church with for a number of years. It was hard to watch her struggle with doubt, but also didn't want to read the Bible for herself. The last church we were going to was Calvary Chapel. The Beth Moore studies I did not like, and then the pastor - after talking about how when you love Jesus you will not love the world - you can tell that Jesus is working in you when you don't love the world any longer - and then they brought in the Whosoevers and 'christian' heavy metal and rap. I was done there and left. But my friend was going to Whosoevers conferences and going big time into the world into the bars and drinking. She's in rehab now on meds and in really bad shape. The meds are making her worse. It's been heartbreaking. She's trying to seek God and reading her Bible now. I hope it lasts this time. If she goes out again, I don't know if she can take it.

Bible Believer said...

Jeff, I never saw your other comment.

Also you are making claims I never have made for this blog.

I know as a new guy you may not have been down the same road some of us have, where we saw all these discernment blogs, that seemed good at the start but always brought in some major error or had discrepancies. There were many ones I LIKED, but then they would always bring in some false teaching or make excuses for Chuck Smith or Calvary Chapel or other things we knew about. So I will put this at the foot of you are new, and haven't figured this place out, and well, you have not made the same discoveries about the discernment network online and how much controlled opposition there is. Some of us here I suppose have gone through major disappointments.

I never claimed perfection for this place, that is odd how you keep writing that. I am not sure what that is about.

Bible Believer said...

Yes it earned Warren more sympathy and definitely helped grease the rails for the overt join-ups with Catholicism.

I will pray for your friend, so sorry to hear that, I think many of these false churches and ministries are paving the way back to the world.

Lillianna White said...

Hi again!

Just chiming in...

Beth Moore is one of those top apostates out there now.

Churches are slipping more and more into the world, yes it's funny how they say one thing and then do the opposite, I saw a lot of that.

They are all heading more towards the RCC by the day. It's all an orchestrated apostasy.

The more you know, the more you see it and vice versa.

To the other anon, dude, chill out!
(Should I duck now? What do ya'll think?)
( ;

Anonymous said...

Thank you Lillianna for praying for me. That means a lot :)

Thank you FaithGuy3 for the complement on mentally handicap children. My son is mentally handicap, and he is humble, reserved, and loves everyone.

jl, slave of EL ELYON