Sunday, April 6, 2014

"Religious Freedom" and Hobby Lobby Family Meets with the Pope



[warning on video Fox news, take with grain of salt, but for information]

Hobby Lobby’s Green family meets with Pope Francis
"The Greens are in Rome for the launch of one of their traveling exhibits, “Verbum Domini II” (Latin for “The Word of the Lord”).“The purpose of the meeting was to thank the pope for the loan of items to the exhibit from the Vatican museum and library,” said Jennifer Sheran of DeMoss, the Atlanta public relations firm that represents the Greens. “The pope did ask how the (Hobby Lobby) case was progressing.”Eighteen members of the Green family met with the pope, Sheran said, as well as 10 members from the American Bible Society. The meeting lasted 30 minutes."
Keep in mind, one issue discussed with Obama was that of "religious freedom" with the Pope. Don't let the words fool you, they love to use words like "freedom" that mean anything. Rome has only supported tyranny during it's long history. Part of me wonders about the work being done to do away with the first amendment of the USA Constitution, they have canceled all the rest basically. I do not see it as a document even in force anymore in Police State America. Yes it is only a human document, it is not God's word, but I'm going to say "religious freedom" is not something they want to last and they will be working on wiping that away just like they did the 4th amendment and several others with the NDAA and TSA.

 I do not mean religious freedom in that which gives one the right to choose whatever flavor of Mystery Babylon they want to follow, but for Christians to be free of persecution in America.

I find arguments strange where people decry "religious freedom" even if they point out it is the freemasons who wanted it for people to pick off a list of apostate religions, because what is the alternative? State sponsored religion just like Rome had for most of its history?  Religion via fiat and force? Dominionism? Sure human beings are always free in their own minds to worship God and pray but to make strange arguments that religious freedom doesn't matter in the political realm is an odd statement for a Christian to make. Human politics are not perfect. I'd rather live in a place free of Dominionism if it meant I could worship freely as a Christian. True Christian faith cannot be forced. Even if the deists and freemasons set this place up for their future globalist dreams, doesn't make freedom itself a bad thing. Even if the powers that be loosened the reigns for a time for their own agendas, why on earth would you praise them being retightened?

Here too the "culture warriors" like the Greens, are shown to be friendly to the Pope. Didn't they get the news about the Harlot? or ever read Revelation.  Yes abortion is wrong but you see how the culture warriors are helping the Vatican with their agendas for America. What is funny this is one of the most liberal Popes of all time and there those "conservatives" go to pay him homage. Hey this is no different from Obama one of the most liberal presidents going to pay homage to the Pope too and discussing "religious freedom" when neither cares one whit about freedom of any kind. 

Keep in mind how very Catholic our Supreme Court is too, and where all this may lead. Also keep in mind how corporations are growing more powerful and how both government and corporations work together now.  Just wait for when they directed by Rome, will direct certain rules for their employees. Maybe they will even claim the right for themselves to keep someone in their employ from going to a non-Catholic sanctioned bible-believing church-the few that are left or fellowship. If corporations are given "religious freedom" this means they could refuse to hire you for being a Christian or if you have non-politically correct beliefs they don't like. Of course this happens unofficially, but they would make it official. People don't think these things out. The Hegelian Dialectic is still in operation here. Just like the confusion being based on Obamacare, here we have more confusion based on the lie that a corporation should be deemed "a person" in rights with so called "corporate personhood". Funny how Hobby Lobby goes on about some birth control pills or condoms, but doesn't say anything about all the outsourced jobs in China, the place where they probably get a lot of their goods made, or the fact abortion there runs the show with the "one child" policy.

And Obama's side is no good either. We got two ends against the middle here again. No one is interested in freedom. Obamacare which got this ball rolling, had nothing to do with freedom of choice, and neither will this. Pope inspired and influenced corporations too? What a mess we have on our hands. 

47 comments:

Lillianna White said...

Thank you BB!
(:
I have been trying to get this through to someone. See ephesians 5;11 blog. Not all my arguments have been posted (different name too). I am not endorsing the worship of any other God, or some smorgasbord buffet, but the fact is, it's THEIR smorgasbord, not ours and we cannot force things on others either, only warn of the consequences. God will destroy the smorgasbord later! But for now... the choices are: a forced religion/ideology, or dominionism (like with Constantine, NOT a good thing), or freedom. The choices are freedom, or nonfreedom. Since freedom exists anyway due to freewill, why not acknowledge it? Things will be perfect in the Kingdom of Heaven, and obviously only He will be worshipped then, also by freewill (since only those who WANT to worship only Him will enter!). I cannot look into the hearts and minds of those who wrote these constitutional laws in, and of course it will not be perfect. But however it came to be, it is better than anything that is forced. As for persecution, no worries, all true believers will be persecuted anyway, especially when they 'force' the one world religion, and since they can't force it on us, we will willingly die for our faith. For now, let's do all we can now that we don't have any restrictions (such as death) imposed on us. Christians here have been able to do things that in other countries were difficult. I think of this all the time. I want to life for the Lord as much as I can before I die for Him.
(:
Love, peace, joy, and blessings to ALL who read this!

Bible Believer said...

I am glad you tried to get this through to him. I found the post strange. True Christian faith is not coerced. I agree I am not endorsing their smorgasbord buffet but why on earth would anyone stand up and cheer for what freedom Christians have enjoyed in America being REMOVED? If anything we enjoyed a longer period of freedom in this country far more then many others. Why stand up and cheer for the other wicked alternatives in this world. The Constitution was not written by God but as far as man goes, it probably was one of the better documents in this wicked earth and it's no accident the wicked we have in charge now are undoing each and every one of the earthly freedoms it provided. I agree about living for God before dying for Him. I am glad you understood what I am saying here. Thanks Lillianna.

Lillianna White said...

Thanks!

I totally agree. I just did not understand either what was being said and I tried to offer all kinds of points to get this across, but... alas. Everything I said was ignored and other things addressed instead, things I did not say at all (like people disagreeing about completely different things on two separate floors of the house). I just can't stand having what I say twisted. Who likes that?

Yes, exactly, how can anyone applaud it being removed?! I kept asking, 'well, if you don't like it, what do you propose putting up instead?' but to this I got only empty answers. We cannot replace it with a void. And I mean, they will worship the demons all over the world anyway for now, regardless, at least WE have the acknowledged freedom to worship without fear, something lacking in other places alongside all the demon buffets. (and yes, we will worship whether the right is acknowledged or not, but that is a different issue, let's be glad it IS acknowledged).

Yes, they are slowly dismantling all the human rights written into the constitution, and I think this one is next on the disassembly line. The evil powers that be will find some 'justifiable' excuse for it to disguise it as 'humane' and 'in global interests,' etc.
We need to fight for it as long as we can and not cheer when it is removed. Then, ONLY the demon buffet will be legal, is that better? This place has been one of the few exceptions to that, and God has used that. I also heard that part of the reason for it all was because the Puritans, etc. came here escaping religious persection from the 'Christian' Church of England. It is a hard thing to define and construct but it worked for a long time. I think he just got into a tornado about that satan statue in OK state, but it's not like that is anything new under the sun. Like I said, when Paul came to Mars Hill, he didn't tear down all the idols, he preached the gospel.

I totally get it and you're welcome sister!
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May all following comments reflect the same love, respect, dignity, and tact as the earlier ones.

Ephesians 511 Blog said...

Let me chime in before a total misunderstanding takes off as I have made it very clear in the numerous articles I have posted on this matter.

First you need to do some research and I have posted that research in my August 2, 2012 article.

The Freemasons and the Jesuit Charles Carroll (known as the "Father of Religious liberty) got together on this for two separate reasons.

The Freemasons idea is not as you state. If you go to my August 2, 2012 article and look at page 36 of the Masonic book "Masonry and Americanism" they state "Every child must realize that Equality of Religion is Religious Liberty..."

I'm sorry, that is satanic. Jesus is not equal with false gods.

The Jesuit Founding Father Charles Carroll signed the Declaration of Independence so that the Roman Catholic church could freely operate in America because up to that point they were having difficulty being accepted by the Christians.

If you scroll down further in the article, you will find a screen shot of the 1829 National Gazette a quote from Charles Carroll where he states "When I signed the Declaration of Independence I had in view not only our independence from England but the toleration of all sects professing the Christian religion...you will not be surprised I had much at heart. this grand design founded on mutual charity. the basis of our holy religion."

I have never stated we are to force anything and Lillianna knows that as I emailed her that.

The Church of Satan is Constitutionally protected along with Wicca and all the other false gods.

I have also pointed out Exodus 34:14 and Luke 4:8.

Every Christian already has religious freedom. Stephen had it when he was praying for his killers, Paul had it when he was in the prisons and so did all of our brethren as they were being killed for their faith.

No man can grant any Christian religious freedom.

We are here to preach the gospel, pay our taxes, and obey the laws. We are just passing through.

What we have in America is nothing but a modern day Polytheistic Babylon where all gods are openly worshiped all wrapped up to look like a Monotheistic god.

It's very clever.

So when blinded Christians pledge allegiance, they are pledging allegiance to a Constitution that protects the open worship of Satan.

Luke 4:8 - "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve."

Jesus says NO, America (Freemasons/Jesuits)says YES.

Tell me this is a Christian nation as the blinded church believes. This is the biggest doctrine of devils being taught in all the churches right now.

Jesus told us we would be persecuted and killed for His names sakes, therefore we have the religious freedom all the to the death.

When these guys put anything to do with religion in these documents, it became a religious document that needed to be examined against scripture.

The way the documents were written (under Satan's power), they were written so that any religions could worship their false gods and so we have the protected open worship of Satan. A good tree doesn't produce bad fruit and now the fruit of this tree is revealed 225+ years later.

We are the largest exporter of apostasy to the rest of the world and we sing "god Bless America" as we protect the Church of Satan all under the "Christian Nation" banner.

Ephesians 511 Blog said...

Where have I stated or even implied religious freedom be removed?

Bible Believer said...

I found that post just weird. Why write a post AGAINST the secular religious freedom when a void will open up, Rome can step in and insist on more laws to curtail it, or have multiple megacorporation who will refuse to hire the "baddies" who will not swear allegiance to the politically correct order? There is NO political system on earth that is perfect, because they are formed by MEN. But saying LETS HAVE MORE TYRANNY because the idea of religious freedom was written by 'freemasons" boggles my mind.

What do they propose or support instead? Yes they will all go lockstep behind the Antichrist, right now we have liberal [Obama] and conservative {Greens--Hobby Lobby] going to bow before the Pope, so why not at least support Christians having a few more years before they start throwing us in the gulag for preaching the gospel here in America? I know time is short: why make it shorter? I know that blogger came out of the upper echelons of Calvary Chapel. I hope he is true, but that was one odd article. The day I saw it, I was like WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? But seriously by now, I am used to odd spin-doctoring that will show up in a variety of places.

Yes they are dismantling the thing, I would say the MAJORITY RIGHT NOW IS NOT IN FORCE.

Right to trial by Jury---GONE--NDAA

Right to no searches and seizures---GONE--TSA


I mean why does that blogger think it is even in force?

Here is a picture of the Bill of Rights with much of it stamped out by new tyrannical laws.

http://www.michaeljanzen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/rp12-bill-of-rights-sopa-ndaa-patriot-act-copy.jpg

I think the plan is to do away with it all together and watch out for those who want a new Constitutional convention, then that gives the wicked carte blanche to rewrite the whole thing and render it even more nonapplicable.

I see ignorance of history because just about every country in this world enforced a state religion or outlawed bible Christian. Even Putin, has been known for suppressing evangelical and bible-believing churches. I agree he could have gotten into a tornado about the Satanic statue too. I mean why should we be surprised, it's Rome pantheon of demon gods all over again. One has to realize even the Satan statue is being used for SHOWTIME. The real Satanists aren't putting themselves on display but working undercover.

Thanks :)

Bible Believer said...

Some questions for you Ephesians 5:11

1. What do you want put in it's place?

2. Do you still see the Constitution as "in force" in America. I don't, I believe most of it has been removed and "religious freedom" is next.

3. While the Constitution is an imperfect human document, it allowed America not to be dominated by Rome for many many years.

4. I agree equality of religions is wrong in the religious sense, but if you remove, this what do you want in it's place? State religion? Dominionism with a theocratic government forcing "Christianity"?

All the world is ruled by Jesuits and the Freemasons, that means all the other countries have them, hey I know those hand shakes, and they cover the globe, the royals all swear allegiance to the Pope and are in his "orders". So why single America out except the globalist controllers loosened the tyrannical reigns a bit?

I am not surprised acouple Jesuits signed it. I've heard of Carroll before.

You may want to add a paragraph to your article about not supporting control or admitting the void that would exist.

Sure false religions are protected, only problem is, if they are outlawed, what is to keep them from OUTLAWING BIBLE CHRISTIANS?

Do you see what I am saying in this article, that their versions of RELIGIOUS FREEDOM has the END GOAL OF ITS REMOVAL?

Yes we all have religious freedom to follow God. No man can control another's thoughts or read them though they are obviously trying to develop the technology.

Obey laws that do not go against God.

America is a polyglot, early form of globalism. I believe this place was formed to form a micro-cosm of the globalist pot, and yes that applies to religions, but what is on the other side in this world but state run religions? At least here in America Christians had some years to preach the gospel and live in peace. VERY VERY RARE IN WORLD HISTORY BY THE WAY.

One thing I wrote this years ago, Rome definitely wants freedom ended in America. Even if it was granted in the first place to form the society they are now using for globalist agendas and the money clean-out, this doesn't mean that freedom in itself is not a good thing.

I do not believe America is a Christian nation. You know I have posted against that for years and Dominionism as well.

Every nation in this world worships Satan, his markers are in EVERY COUNTRY. I have studied things I don't have time to write about here.

The luciferians want all secular "protections" removed. I see the steps they are taking to begin persecution of Christians in America. No this does not mean I think the Constitution was God-inspired but it definitely gave us some secular freedoms to enjoy for a season in the political realm on this earth.

Bible Believer said...

"not dominated by Rome" at least on the surface.

Sometimes deceivers make allowances, for a time, and then rip it away, knowing the outcome will serve the cause of Satan even more.

But on this wicked earth, we had some time of freedom politically and well that is very rare.

Within His Word said...

I get Facebook friends that post this "support hobby lobby!" stuff on my wall, just like they did with Chick FilA back when that whole thing was going on. There's always some super rich supposedly "Christian" corporation that we need to support, all the while they do unbiblical and unsafe things, like meeting with the pope or putting GMO poison in their chicken.

Ephesians 511 Blog said...

1. 1. What do you want put in it's place?

Answer – nothing (what I’m trying to point out is that the whole “religious liberty” thing is nothing but a spiritual scam to Christians. We already have religious freedom and we don’t depend on rituals for our faith.) Religious freedom was for the false gods, not true Christians. Benjamin Franklin (a major occultist) was a major part of religious freedom. On page 31 of the Masonic book it states “It was through that intrepid leader, Benjamin Franklin, that we first began to see the influence of Masonic doctrines put to work in the mighty struggle.” (Doctrines of devils)

2. Do you still see the Constitution as "in force" in America. I don't, I believe most of it has been removed and "religious freedom" is next.

Answer- The Constitution was written by men under Satan’s’ power by a government where we made ourselves gods (We the People). The way it’s set up there is no absolute authority like a king (like the Lord instituted) had. All the branches can “bob and weave” whatever needs to be accomplished. It’s a perfect setup to make it look like there is this “balance of power” when it’s a just a clever system to hide the back door deals.


3. While the Constitution is an imperfect human document, it allowed America not to be dominated by Rome for many many years.

Answer – I think Rome has a pretty good grasp on Washington DC. We can’t forget VIRGINia and MARYland that surround DC, that’s not a coincidence. Plus I have a picture of Obama surrounded by Jesuit national security chiefs on my Matthew24Newsline.com site. How can that be a coincidence? There is a “coincidence collision” on many fronts. Plus we know the Freemasons & Jesuits work together as I have documented.

4. I agree equality of religions is wrong in the religious sense, but if you remove, this what do you want in it's place? State religion? Dominionism with a theocratic government forcing "Christianity"?

Answer – No, Christians live in a world that we were told we would be hated. We are just passing through.

The current situation we find ourselves in today is completely opposite what we were taught when we examine all things against scripture. So, where we go from here is a daily contending for the faith to the end.

The Constitution and Declaration of Independence are religious documents that promote and encourage the BROAD WAY that leads to destruction. From a spiritual standpoint, our goose was cooked when we placed the “religious freedom” scam in those documents.

In that Freemason documentation, it does state on page 33 “…the principle of Religious Liberty…drew the fire of opposition” back in 1776. Also, Patrick Henry said “I smell a rat” referring to the Constitution.

atmo joyo said...

Hi BB,

they "pretended" to be a Christian and promote religious freedom deceiving many people.
they changed God's commandments to replace with men commandments.
Jesus Christ the only way to God not through many religions

John Chapter 14 (kjv)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Titus 1:16 (kjv)
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Matthew Chapter 7:15 - 20
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Bible Believer said...

I've seen the Chick Fila stuff and Hobby Lobby, too, watch out when a company is promoted as Christian, and so many deceived by the right automatically jump on that bandwagon as they did with the Duck Dynasty brothers.

Bible Believer said...

1. I don't see "nothing" as working. What I am pointing out, is we have had state mandated churches or the system here, which allows for all religions. Neither is "biblical" in a sense but would you rather Christians have some political freedom to worship in peace in a secular society or be persecuted by governmental authorities? You are correct that our religious freedom is INNATE, granted by no man but God Himself, but do you see where I am coming from on this? They want to remove what freedoms there are. The Catholic church's hand in these cases is fishy, and a warning sign to me. Sure the freemasons advanced their false religions around the table theme and that includes Benjamin Franklin.


2. Government is made via men. remember I am not a Dominionist who dreams of supposedly God derived theocracies. All govt's in this world are under Satan's power though I believe the elites wanted America to serve a special role. I do not think the "king" system was good either, and had its own abuses of power. There are monarchists who see that system now even in modern times as preferable. With the balances of power, I think it held their hands back a bit though far from perfect.
3. I agree with you about Wash DC and Rome's grasp over this country and government. I used to think this was a new development, with the red masses and such but no it's in our history though a time of freedom was allowed. Now they are overt with their influences over the USA as the presidents go publically to bow before the Pope, have you noticed how the visits have increased?
Rome is running the show on many things. I believe the Pope manages world leaders and the royals world wide. Why else does a church need a diplomatic corp numbering in the hundreds? Also we have the Papal troops via many "orders" and "brotherhoods". Let's not forget it is said that Obama is a member of the boule and or freemasons himself. I see the freemasons as under papal authority, so yes of course the Jesuits and them work together.
4. Yes Christians are hated in this world. I suppose our time in this country of being able to preach the gospel etc with persecution is unprecedented but definitely not built to last>

I do agree that they did form a broad way, in the "religious freedom" that advances all religions, however we probably disagree in that I see this as the preferable political system to a state managed religion in a very evil world but definitely do not cling to these things as God-derived. I know you do not support state mandated religion either but our outlooks differ here. I know that Rome is yanking at the bit to have all the tethers removed to silence and persecute Christians in this country once again. They allowed America this "freedom" to allow for a micro-cosm of the one world religion and also of a melting pot globalist micro-cosm too. Now even that "freedom" will be removed. With the Constitution, they are knocking off each amendment bit by bit, freedom of speech and religion are next. The powers that be hand a "gift" or two only to snatch it away for their own interests.

Bible Believer said...

oops correction, preach the gospel without persecution on #4

Bible Believer said...

One thing I want to add too, Catholicism defines religious freedom in the way that they are in charge. They would love for canon law to be law of the land.

Remember they still have the "just due" penalties still on the books for the heretics.

http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/heresy_schism_apostasy.htm

Since I was raised and baptized Catholic as a child I fit their definition. [IT'S NOT GOD'S DEFINITION OF COURSE]

The Roman Catholic church defined religious freedom to be a bad thing historically, they saw it as a recipe for their own lost power:

http://www.biblelight.net/freedom.htm

[not an endorsement, its a SDA website but posting for information pertaining to rcc documents]

"Because the above are errors, Pius IX is actually saying:


15. No man is entitled to freedom of religion.
16-18. Salvation is found only in the Catholic Church, and not in any other denomination, to include Protestantism.
24. The Catholic Church may employ force to achieve her ends.
55. Church and State should be united as one."



I believe rome desires a new inquisition.

I am of the notion that true religious freedom is at least a free conscience and all are to come to Jesus Christ free of coercion.

I know you are upset at the masonic system and correct about the fact our religious freedom is innate, but I suppose in this wicked world, Christians should be thankful for a time of "freedom" to preach God's Word whoever it came from.

Bible Believer said...

One thing I want to add too, Catholicism defines religious freedom in the way that they are in charge. They would love for canon law to be law of the land.

Remember they still have the "just due" penalties still on the books for the heretics.

http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/heresy_schism_apostasy.htm

Since I was raised and baptized Catholic as a child I fit their definition. [IT'S NOT GOD'S DEFINITION OF COURSE]

The Roman Catholic church defined religious freedom to be a bad thing historically, they saw it as a recipe for their own lost power:

http://www.biblelight.net/freedom.htm

[not an endorsement, its a SDA website but posting for information pertaining to rcc documents]

"Because the above are errors, Pius IX is actually saying:


15. No man is entitled to freedom of religion.
16-18. Salvation is found only in the Catholic Church, and not in any other denomination, to include Protestantism.
24. The Catholic Church may employ force to achieve her ends.
55. Church and State should be united as one."



I believe rome desires a new inquisition.

I am of the notion that true religious freedom is at least a free conscience and all are to come to Jesus Christ free of coercion.

I know you are upset at the masonic system and correct about the fact our religious freedom is innate, but I suppose in this wicked world, Christians should be thankful for a time of "freedom" to preach God's Word whoever it came from.

Anonymous said...

Food for thought-

Delaware is the tax cheat state. If your business is incorporated in Delaware, you pay very little in taxes. It is also hard to challenge a Delaware based company in court. Lots of legal loopholes for them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/01/usa-tops-international-ta_n_340613.html

Now put in the names of Hobby Lobby, Chick Fil A, or any company you can think of.

https://delecorp.delaware.gov/tin/GINameSearch.jsp

In Christ,

JL

Lillianna White said...

Great dialogue!

In addressing some issues I have the following list:

1. Yes, 'equality' of religion is wrong. We know that Jesus is the only way and all else is of satan. But me saying people have freedom of religion is not the same as calling them all 'valid,' or 'equal.' Obviously only Christianity is true and all else is of satan in one form or another.

2. Yes, freedom of religion is innate, but that is different from a government acknowledging that freedom or not, like the U.S. vs. North Korea. Christians in both are free to believe the gospel due to freewill, in one they are free to practice, in another they are persecuted for it. Different concepts.

3. Then there is the concept of 'freedom of religion,' divorced from anyone's evil designs for it. I am sure they had their masonic intentions and plans. But that doesn't make the freedom itself bad. Remember, freedom is not an endorsement. More on that later.

4. Since you spent that much time attacking the notion of the freedom of religion and all it's 'evils,' it looked like you wanted it removed and something else instead. You cannot leave a void. There are 2 options; freedom and force (anything).

5. Yes, there are problems with the freedom of religion, like satanic things, but that is all over the globe anyway. At least for the time Christians have had freedom and peace too.

6. How are the framers of the constitution going to examine the documents against Scripture, if they are not believers? This was the State, not the Church. The world is under the evil one (1 John 1), so is it really a surprise that laws don't line up with the bible?

7. The apostasy thing, if you are saying that they are confusing the world by saying it's a Christian nation and then allowing these things, that IS a problem, but it isn't a Christian nation.

8. I agree with BB and the way she has put things clearly. I was asking the same questions.

9. Bill, you just need to clarify a few things, so much I didn't know until you clarified it just now, we can't read your mind, it will help your readers if you really define all the details.

More on next space...

Lillianna White said...

continued...
Questions to answers in earlier box:

1. You can't leave 'nothing.' If you take it away, something else will replace it. If you think it is bad, what do you want to do? Remove it and put something else (but what?) in it's place? Leave it alone and just criticize it?
That is the begged question.

It is not 'accepting them all' in any way, but allowing them all. Take a family. Suppose a large family lives together. The father is a Christian and everyone is of a different religion. (that happens!) He cannot force Christianity on them (or anyone). If he tries, it becomes a tyranny of persecution. You can't force anyone into it. So, the only alternative is to say, okay, we all have freewill and I acknowledge your freedom of religion. (They already have that right/freewill, he is just not threatening them with the lack of acknowledgement.) That is not the same as the dad saying; okay, all your religions are great and equal. Or wanting to combine them all into one big ball of wax. Now, suppose the dad is a muslim, and each person is of a different religion. He can do this same thing, where the Christian son will live in peace and freedom, or, the dad can become a persecuting tyrant and that is what we see in the middle east. See?

And who says anyone is depending on rituals for their faith? We don't. That one is dangling under #1.

2. It is a secular domain, you can't expect them to obey the bible.

So, Democracy is bad? I know it's an elite-run puppet show, but we have more freedom than in many kingdoms.

3. Not clear if you mean now only, or earlier too?

4. So, if the goose was cooked with religious freedom, again, what should be there instead? (Again, there is the concept, and someone's motives/schemes with the concept.) What the other nations have? Like Saudi Arabia? Is that better?
Either they control it all and Christians are oppressed, or all have freedom. Either way the devil's followers will have their freedom, why not us too? Persecution is good for growth and such, yes, but that happens anyway. It is good to have a safe haven SOMEWHERE on the planet.

Yes, of course Jesus is the ONE and ONLY way of salvation, but how can you expect them to reflect that in the constitution under religious laws in a secular nation under the devil's control? If they do, it assumes dominionism. Many have done that control thing, Catholics, Anglicans, etc. and it is not a good thing, as we know. So, instead of freedom, there is only force. Should they force true Christianity on the masses? (can you see all the arguments arising as to what is 'true'?) If they only advocate for true Christianity and don't impose/enforce it, freedom still exists. If the people erect a statue of satan anyway under that freedom, and the government goes after them, it's not freedom. If they don't, then it's freedom. Still, only 2 options there; freedom or force.

Lastly, Ephesians blogger, I do love your blog and so many postings and will continue to enjoy it. That easy chair one took the prize! This was just an issue that left a lot of people confused, hence the lengthy discussion.

Bless you all.

Lillianna White said...

Hi BB,

I don't expect you to post this one, do what you want. It's just for your info. I looked at that other blog again and aside from the chain of similar postings about the freedom issue, the latest one now finally has an answer to the void, but it is of the dominionist flavor. Check it out. I have tried and tried to get him to see this, but I have given up. I enjoy his other posts and stuff, but this item is from looneyland. It just makes no sense and there is no way around it. I will continue to pray for him and hope he moves on from this issue and maybe gets it later. I think this could be a deception from the NWO that people are getting sucked into (like all the comments on his posts in support of what he said, while my later ones have not been posted). People will fall into this deception and like what you said, they will even get the Christians to agree to the removal of their 'legal' right to practice via removing freedom of religion. Scary that they have so many convinced! I agree, why not let it last longer and do the most we can, it will eventually be taken away and persecution will come anyway.
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In love, God bless you!

FaithGuy said...

FYI - Hobby Lobby sells products made in China!
http://panjiva.com/Chinese-Manufacturers-Of/hobby+lobby

So pretty much - the same "rights" HL is fighting the Obama admin against, is also the SAME agendas(abortion and slave labor) they're making an extra buck off of! Hypocrites indeed!

Also - not trying to start a Kent Hovind discussion here - but where were all of these "religious freedom" activists like Hobby Lobby, Rick Warren, Liberty University, and Phyllis Schlafly(sp) when the IRS went after Hovind in 2007, DESPITE Hovind's ministry NOT being a 501c?(when Bush II was President that is)

And now all of a sudden they're demanding their "rights" with Obama in office? What a coincidence!

Anonymous said...

I love God’s Word on “freedom of religion” as devised by men and their national governments…

Psalm 2:1-3
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed [Jesus Christ], saying, let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. (i.e. freedom)


The religion commanded by God to the heads of all governments is…

Psalm 2:10-12
Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

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“Serve the Lord with fear… rejoice with trembling, kiss the Son…put their trust in him”. That should be the law of every land…and will be soon. Come Lord Jesus!

Sincerely Aka Alert

Ephesians 511 Blog said...

Lillianna,

I can't believe where you are coming up with ideas I am not stating.

You stated -

"I looked at that other blog again and aside from the chain of similar postings about the freedom issue, the latest one now finally has an answer to the void, but it is of the dominionist flavor."

Are you serious, where do you get that idea?

Are you getting this idea from when I stated this in today's post -

"If the Freemason & Jesuit Founding Fathers wanted to create America as some sort of a “Christian Nation” (even though it’s scripturally impossible ), the Constitution would have been worded something like this –

“Congress shall make law that Jesus the Messiah is the God of this nation and all the people in this land are given the only right to worship Him and Him alone and this government will not prevent anyone from worshiping Jesus the Messiah.”

I want to draw your attention to what I wrote -

"IF the Freemason & Jesuit Founding Fathers wanted to create America as SOME SORT of a Christian Nation" (EVEN THOUGH IT"S SCRIPTURALLY IMPOSSIBLE)..."

That Lillianna, is an example of an absurdity.

Do you understand that?

Plus I have never promoted dominionism but rather exposed it. Even G4 knows that.

You may not understand or may not agree and that's OK. The feedback for the most part I have received thus far is that people get it.

This is a work in progress that began in December 2009 when I saw David Barton actually changing the words to a Founding Father document at Calvary Chapel Old Bridge, NJ.

Barton was changing the words to make the audience believe this particular Founding Father (John Adams) was a Christian when in reality John Adams was mocking Christianity.

It was at that point I asked myself, why is Satan trying to make Christians believe America is a Christian Nation?

This was a key element as to why Christians in America are so deceived along with their blind trust in men and incredible spiritually blinding pride.

Since then I have done a lot of research and examining the scriptures, however I am not finished.

People are starting to realize they were sold a bill of goods from early childhood when they examine what they were taught in light of scripture.

Now you are accusing me of being NWO, really?

The reason I stopped posting your comments is because it's like you just weren't getting it. That's why I wanted to meet with you since we live in the same area. I just felt that would have been much simpler than all these back and forth very lengthy comments. For me it was exhausting.

Ephesians 511 Blog said...

Anonymous, great comment!!

Well put!!

Lillianna White said...

Yes, and that is God telling that to humanity, not humanity telling it to humanity. But humanity doesn't listen to God. While the world is deceived by satan, such things won't be the law of the land. It will only happen when Jesus brings in His Kingdom. We can't do it for Him.

I am totally in accord with all of what the bible says, but even so, I still cannot force it on others, and pray tell, who can? Only God Himself. People will never implement it right, it will only be like a Vatican imposed tyranny if anyone tries it. Such a thing would be nice, and should is an easy word to use. Yet, the bible states that the antichrist will gain authority over all the lands and over all the earth during the tribulation first, before God brings paradise back. You cannot expect it in a fallen world before then. See prophesies in Revelation.
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It's just reality.
I also think everybody should love Jesus with all their hearts and accept the salvation from sin offered as a free gift by Him, and nice as that would be, according to the bible that won't happen either. Only a few will enter.

Lillianna White said...

Then there is this question:
What is more important to God, 1) that all the earth follows a legalistic system of forced worship while they are unsaved and can't worship in Spirit and Truth yet, or 2) that souls get saved? The time is short, let us focus on the priorities here. What exactly did Jesus command us to do?

"Afterward He appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at the table; and He reproached them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who had seen Him after He had risen. And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. " Mark 16; 14-16
"When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Matthew 28; 17-20
Note, it is teaching the believers, not forcing the unbelievers.
So the focus is preaching the gospel for the salvation of souls, not forcing the nations to worship God who are not in His kingdom through salvation yet. Of course they are in rebellion, that is why they need to repent and be saved! I mean, it's so simple! He came to die for our sins, and save our souls, on the next arrival He will restore His kingdom under His feet. It is impossible for anyone else to do it. Ay!

Lillianna White said...

Well, it looks more like YOU are not getting it, and even G4 blog gets that. Just because some dominionist types all come out of the woodwork does not make you right on something.

YOU kept twisting what I said, I just kept trying to figure out what you meant and asking, but getting vague non-answers.

My comments were good pointed ones, but YOU were not getting it and were unable to address them but kept coming up with the same merry-go-round answers that didn't answer the question I asked. Example: How many times did I ask you, if you don't like it, what do you suggest putting in it's place? Like 10 times, but no real reply was given, just like 'I won't touch it.' That doesn't even answer the question. It leaves the same void that you originally left. Your posts on that topic just beg the question.

1. If you criticize a thing, it is assumed that you don't like it.
Agreed?
2. If you don't like it, you should put yourself in their place and try to find a better solution, or stop complaining.
3. People were asking for you to find something to put in place of 'nothing' which seemed to linger for a long time.
4. Finally, you came up with that last item. If you were not serious about it, why post on it? If you think it is something they should do, we know it's not possible here and now.

Basically, it is an impossible situation to fix, so why complain about it!?! Why even bring it up?

G4 Did a great commentary explaining that absurdity.
Does everyone get that?

Lillianna White said...

Hi again,

Something has been bothering me about this and I googled:
'freedom of religion, end of' as well as related terms such as 'freedom of religion/christians against' and some interesting articles came up. The gist of them seemed to indicate that 'freedom of religion' is under attack, and it is mostly against the rights of Christians. It comes from the gay agenda as well as the reproduction thing (like you posted about), but the suggestions are being made and they are trying to move the battleline over to corner practices of Christians. Sure, there have been battles over school prayer and such for ages, but it is all escalating now.
One article was in Christianity Today, and another was labelled "why 'religious freedom' laws are doomed" by MSNBC and cited similar reasons like homosexual rights, etc.. All of these articles were dated around Feb and March 2014, due to the recent issues arising. It is interesting to note that the push is against religious freedom, and Christians are the targets they are all coming for once the protections are removed. I recommend people google this to see what articles come up and do your research.

I wanted to email this to you, I tried several times in the past to do that about other things but I don't think it went through so I put it here. Email me anytime @
1watchkeeper@gmail.com.
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Thanks!

Anonymous said...

What does God think about America?

"Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing." (Isaiah 40:15)

"All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity." (Isaiah 40:17)

Bible Believer said...


Ephesians Rome does not plan to enchance "religious freedom" but religious coercion.

What Jesus in that fantasy constitution? Dominionists have a false jesus.


The whole Christian nation thing is false. Leave that fantasy to the false kingdom now types who have joined with luciferian governments for power.

You know I have posted against David Barton too.

You have exposed dominionism true but when you write things like "religious freedom is a bad thing" even if you are correct that it is some candy held out by luciferians so they can snatch it away one day, this does not mean freedom of conscience is a bad thing. I think that is where people are taking issue with what you have written.

I know about the false teachers trying to turn freemasons and deists into born again Christians. I saw through that nonsense because the UUs celebrate the founding fathers as their "own" too. Jefferson celebrated as a would be Unitarian. I don't think the guy who wrote the bible with all the supernatural taken out of it was a born again Christian.



Look the majority of Christians in America, have been brainwashed into the America as Christian theme. It's how Bush was able to push all the endless NWO wars that Obama has continued. The elite have used these kind of manipulations through out history.

Obviously you do realize there so many phonies out there people are going to be cautious and questioning.

Ok answer this question directly..

freedom of conscience.

good thing or bad thing?

True faith in Jesus Christ comes out of freedom, not any form of theocracy or human government joined with religion.

Bible Believer said...

I paraphrased for the phrase "freedom of religion is a bad thing"....[wanted to make that clear, I know you did not write that exact sentence.

Sometimes the elite will GIVE and then take away.

Bible Believer said...

I believe Rome will have it's new inquisition, maybe things won't come to fruition til they demand that we are all chipped and the real Christians, all part ways from the rest but right now, things are being set up where if you have the WRONG BELIEFS, ie Christian ones, people are being more and more set apart. Even the homosexual agenda, where their rights seem to come above everyone else's is paving the way for more abuse. I wrote to some liberal recently online if anything homosexuals can get high level corporate jobs EASIER then many other "groups". I see homosexual "couples" with lots and lots of money around here, going shopping at expensive boutiques. I don't see that segment of the population struggling economically. Just wait til the PC code is even more in force which will mean a Bible Christian will be out of a job if their beliefs are made public. In the past I was a teacher and right now in many school districts unless you are a Democrat and on board with every liberal agenda including Common Core, they don't want you. I tell people what I think of the Catholic church, and well sometimes it doesn't make me everyone's friend. Just wait til they outlaw that supposed "hate speech"

You all must realize they have outlawed criticism of homosexuality in Europe and other places. the PC code is enforced by law. The people they want silent are the actual Christians.

I agree with that. I see the days coming where if you do not agree with the one world religion, homosexuality etc, you will be rendered unemployable at first, punished with hate crime laws second and so forth and so on. I've lost friends for being against homosexuality and standing up against Obama Kool-Aid drinkers. Even then warning people about the NWO aspects of the double-crossing republican party or trying to take them out of the America as Christian nation dream world has been very difficult. I believe freedom of conscience is a good thing. They allowed it here for a season to set up their micro-cosm of the NWO [America] to bring in globalism as the long range plan, but this does not make freedom of religion or conscience inherently a bad thing. We chose Jesus Christ in freedom did we not? God did not make human beings to be robots, no matter what the Calvinists say.

Bible Believer said...

Good verses anon.

No one should trust in any empire above God.

If you think about it human borders, countries, nations are all man-made things.

History tells us no human kingdom is eternal.

America is in rapid decline. Am I happy about this? No. But it is reality. The delusional America as a Christian nation people still think the economy is doing wonderful and are ignoring the fact that on the world stage, our status has dropped and that we are in more serious trouble then ever before. I got sick of hearing about that stupid Psy-Op disappearing plane, when the set up for WWIII or the collapse of the US dollar seems to be in the mix. Even the fact no one is protesting against Obama's horrible foreign policy with Russia, says a lot to me.

Lillianna White said...

Right on sister!!!

Amen to all of that BB!

I can see this agenda falling into place too. Instead of coming in overnight (which I think will be the final step), they gently coerce the public and church into agreeing with them and thinking that it is their own belief when it is in reality a coerced one. Peer pressure, social conformity tactics, etc. They work little by little, getting the church to slowly accept homosexuality, and this, and that, such and such isn't so bad, etc., next they hold hands with the RCC, the pope, and before long all they have left is to accept the mark of the beast. It's a mind control operation with all the tactics. Like you said, isolate and ostricize the dissenters and pressure people into conformity. Slowly. Then the battle will be won before anyone knows they have accepted the nwo/owr agenda. Then the last die hards will be rounded up for execution. Like us. Don't think it's not coming. I don't want to scare you guys, but we need to be ready. (btw, an interesting commentary is available on a site called 'End Times Prophesy Report', go to the picture links at the right side, scroll down, and click on the one with the guillitone, and another with a big brother in a hat right above it. You'll get the idea.) This is why we must be on guard for our faith 24/7 guys. We must be firm in standing for righteousness and our faith whether the days are filled with spring daisies or nwo tanks, never deny the Lord, ever. Now is the time to practice standing firm, not when the man in the hat is at your door.

And BB, again I totally agree with what you said about religious freedom, etc. That is what I am saying too and it keeps getting misunderstood. And exactly, true faith in Christ comes with freedom, not force. And those are the only 2 choices. Sure, they had their designs with RF, but we are just referring to the pure term itself.
And then, when there is all this ranting and raving against a thing, how are we not left thinking that someone is against something and wants it removed?

Thank you so much BB for all your hard work here. I have a bible verse of encouragement I will dig up here soon.
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Blessings to you!

Lillianna White said...

Also, just like you said BB,
just because some of the wrong groups are in favor of FoR, does not make it bad to have freedom and that instead religion should be some forced thing. I too have been on that merry-go-round long enough with people and the only alternative they have to offer is dominionism, like the RCC in the dark ages (anything they try to do this way before Jesus sets up His kingdom will be something like that, it makes all the difference if 'we' do it or if HE does it!), despite some of the postings on certain blogs that keep getting weirder...

Sure, they have an agenda, but to throw out religious freedom because of these clowns? That is what the NWO wants, don't think it will be a time of freedom then, they will force their 'all religions into one' on the public and it is only dissenters like us who will die for our virgin faith and don't join with the harlot.

I truly smell something brewing with all of that debate. I pray for all caught up in it.
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FaithGuy3 said...

BB - the few I've tried to warn about the Babel church BUILDING system(to professing Baptists/Protestants, that is), got somewhat defensive. For example, on my way out from my volunteer work today, I talked to a professing Christian lady who stopped by to get some work done. The conversation went smooth, but with the exception when I told her how I don't attend a building b/c being a Christian is a relationship with Jesus Christ(she didn't get angry, per se, but you could feel some agitation within her).

Yes, these church buildings(regardless of denomination, IFB, etc) have REALLY brought people under tremendous bondage. The "pastors" are very crafty in the way they use their words(ie-they use deception, but they will do so where they will slip it right by you without you expecting it). There's alot of "group think" and peer pressure going on to boot.

And yes - these buildings give you that illusion that just b/c you're a faithful church-goer, then material blessings from the "American Dream" will come your way.

Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Ephesians 511 Blog said...

The whole conscience thing is established in the satanic Mormon 11th Article of Faith, you can read it in yesterday's post.

Here is an excerpt from that post -

Here is where the Lord is with “religious freedom“, in times past the Lord suffered all nations to walk in their own ways, but then the Apostle Paul preached that they should turn from those vanities unto the Living God, then Paul was stoned for saying that. The Lord allowed religious freedom “in times past” due to ignorance, but not anymore this is key.

Acts 14:14-19 - “Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,

15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the Living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.

17 Nevertheless He left not Himself without witness, in that He did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.

18 And with these sayings scarce restrained they the people, that they had not done sacrifice unto them.

19 And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead.“

Then we see what the Apostle Paul said at Mars hill to those who were worshiping their own god -

Acts 17:30-31 - “And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

31 Because He hath appointed a day, in the which He will judge the world in righteousness by that Man whom He hath ordained; whereof He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead.”

The Apostle Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, modeled the Lord’s “religious freedom” response and was stoned to the point that he appeared to be dead. So if the Apostle Paul was stoned for preaching to people they should turn from their false religions to the Living God, we too will be persecuted. Especially in the “All Religions are OK” environment we live in.

Religious freedom due to ignorance was before Jesus, not anymore. Why? It’s found in Acts 17:31 - “Because He hath appointed a day, in the which He will judge the world in righteousness by that Man whom He hath ordained…”

Jesus changed everything. The Lord was winking at ignorance, but not after His Son was crucified.

Back to my comment -

If we begin to model the Apostle Paul, we will become the most unpopular people in this country.

It's a guarantee that Christians will NOT dominate the earth as the dominionists want to do.

Basically, we are going in to the fire.

All this nation building junk is just that, junk. We are just sojourners, our citizenship is in Heaven.

Steve B said...

Hi BB,

I think what Ephesians was saying (and please correct me if I am wrong Ephesians) is that a Christian shouldn't be concerned with whether or not a government "allows" them freedom. It's actually not theirs to give/take.

And the reason for this is...God gives us freedom that cannot be taken away by society. He outranks them.

Sure, they can harm us, jail us, or kill us, but when you ask a question like "would you rather the government give you freedom or slavery?"...it doesn't really matter, because their legislation doesn't outrank God.

Even if you asked, "would you rather have safety or non-safety?" I think the answer is still "it depends on the situation".

Does 'safety' require compromise to my faith? If so, I would rather have non-safety.

God also reminds us not to be concerned with trivial things like our well being when He said. "Fear not man, who only has the power to kill your body. Fear God Who has the power to kill both body & soul."

Christians have had freedom since the beginning of time. Men writing on that piece of paper we call 'The constitution' is simply plagiarizing God as far as the Christian is concerned.

We are to abide laws & pay taxes yes...but if a law of the land contradicts Scripture, God out ranks them every time.

That's how I see it anyways :)

Lillianna White said...

Hi BB,

I just came across an interesting article that is a must read. I know you are not in favor of the Lighthouse Trails site, but I found an interesting article dated today (4-11-14) worth the read! I'm just telling you so you can check it out (post the comment if you like). It's about that coming together of the Pope's man and Kenneth Copeland earlier. There is a video where they accuse Protestants of 'spiritual racism' for not uniting with them! The nerve of these people! I would tell them that THEY are committing spiritual racism by not uniting with US! Who died and put them in the position of authority to claim they are the center of it all, it's the height of arrogance! When they have their way with the one world harlot religion, there will be no religious freedom of course, and the winds of change are already blowing...
and then someone declared the Protestant Reformation over! (Not to get into all of that here, but...) We will tell them when our movement is over, no one can decide or declare that for us or anyone! They haven't seen anything yet, the protesting of their harlotry has just gotten started! They make some other outlandish claims, I don't want to spoil it all beforehand. This thing is picking up momentum fast, and they admit it in the article. The article is okay for the most part, you have to click on a link for the rest of it and there were 2 good comments at that time.

The time is short!
Blessings to you

Lillianna White said...

Hi everyone!
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I really think we are not arguing about the basics here, but just an issue of semantics.

God did give us a freedom of conscience though, the choice was already there in the garden of Eden.

Now again, just because there is a choice, does not mean all the choices are acceptable. We all know that the only right choice is Christianity (being born again), obviously the one and only way of salvation ordained by God.

But we were given a freewill to either make the right choice, or the wrong one (any of the others). For now at least before judgment, of course.

Now the way of the gospel is to preach it to the world, not to force the worship of our God on them. Few will accept salvation of freewill and be saved, most won't.

Yes, we have freedom given by God that no one can remove. But the Constitution simply reflects that right, and that is a separate thing that CAN be removed, which would not be good for Christians, while in other countries (like the middle east, north korea, etc.) their laws don't offer freedom, and it is obviously bad for believers. Of course persecution serves a purpose and it will come in many ways, but we don't wish it on others. The only alternative to what we have is a nonChristian religious dictatorship, or a constitution that says you do not have freedom of religion outside of Christianity, and then we are dictators as they are, and how many new souls will be saved by that? Isn't the salvation of souls the issue? If it is not enforced by law then it is the same as freedom, if it is enforced by law it is dictatorship. You can't have simply nothing, it will be either force or freedom.

I see this as a 'Caesar' issue anyway, it is their department and we are to spread the gospel. I totally agree, our citizenship is in Heaven and the rest is going to be destroyed.

We are going to be persecuted and martyred one day. We might all even all end up in the same discernment-internment camp gulag. (Only I wouldn't trust their coffee...)
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Let us focus on the goal and keep our eyes on the prize and run the race that is ahead of us to win, let's get to the finish line in victory!

I totally agree that the God of the bible is the only God who should be worshipped, and all that the bible says. But nowhere does it say we are to force that as a law on others. We as believers willingly follow those spiritual reality laws, and one day wrath will come for those who don't.

"Christians have had freedom since the beginning of time. Men writing on that piece of paper we call 'The constitution' is simply plagiarizing God as far as the Christian is concerned."
- freedom, but not liberty, the choice is ours, but the difference is whether the consequences bring safely or harm
- no, just acknowledging the freedom with protections from harm enforced, there is a difference, if you don't agree, try a missionary trip to north korea over the summer...

I just want to say that I love you all and hopefully we can see through the misunderstandings and be friends.
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Blessings!

Lillianna White said...

Sorry to keep pecking away at the keyboard here...
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Just want to make sure it is taken clearly that to be in favor of freedom of religion is not the same thing as putting our stamp of approval on any of them. An atheist can believe in freedom of religion for various reasons while not holding to any of them or condoning any one or all.

The only one that gets a stamp of approval is Christianity, as we know. But we cannot tell someone else that they don't have the freedom or right to practice another religion. That is not our place. Freedom is 'allowed' for now and then the judgment based on the choice made. That is God's department to dole out, not ours. But this is earth and not heaven. One day true believers will be persecuted for not accepting the totalitarian tyrannical 'one world religion' conglomeration and those freedoms are already being chipped away.

Just wanted to clarify so it isn't a needle in a haystack.

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Blessings.

Ephesians 511 Blog said...

The 33 degree Freemason George Washington stated in May, 1789 –

“I have often expressed my sentiments, that every man, conducting himself as a good citizen, and being accountable to God alone for his religious opinions, ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience.”

founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/05-02-02-0309

Unfortunately, the Freemason deity of George Washington is Lucifer. The Freemason Manly P. Hall book “The Lost Keys of Freemasonry”, page 4 defines who their deity is.

Here is the quote -

"When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy."

The problem is we are all born with an evil conscience as stated in -

Hebrews 10:22 – “Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.”

We also know what scripture says about seducing spirits in the latter times -

1 Timothy 4:1-2 – “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron”

1776 is the latter times since the "Last Days" were proclaimed by Peter in -

Acts 2:16-17 - "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams"

This seducing spirit to worship any false god is just that.

The seducing spirit of "the pursuit of happiness" was another one.

Proverbs 11:19-20 – “As righteousness tendeth to life: so he that pursueth evil pursueth it to his own death.”

In America, the pursuit of happiness is the pursuit of evil in many cases. It's definitely self oriented.

This place was set up to destruct ourselves and that is what we see happening right in front of us. It's a total spiritual meltdown.

The bad seeds laid is now producing the bad fruit. A good tree doesn't produce bad fruit.

Now the government protects and assists the US Army with the Church of Satan and Wicca.

So it looks like when Christians take a pledge, they are pledging to protect the Constitution, they are pledging to protect the Church of Satan. Right? You see the dilemma Satan has cornered Christians in.

Bible Believer said...

Ephesians, Mormons also use the word GOD, that doesn't make it a bad word and neither is the concept of a "free conscience". even if they have taken it and skewed it for their own uses.


2Co 4:2

But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

There is nothing wrong with the conscience thing per the above in scripture. We want people's consciences to be led to Jesus Christ in freedom not in slavery or like robots.

You obviously know I consider Mormonism wholly satanic.


I agree about the verse, that before ignorance had a different place, today people have the gospel, but for one to be born again, this is their conscience leading them via God and still in freedom. We will agree this freedom is God given NOT man-given. Is what Steven writes, the point you are driving at? We should obey men rather then God, so of course God's commands trump those of men. God does outrank governments and societies.

And yes you are right that "freedom" really is not a benefit given by governments but a God-given right.

Lillianna, can you post a link to that video or email it to me? [see profile for email] I may post it here.

Bible Believer said...

Ephesians, Mormons also use the word GOD, that doesn't make it a bad word and neither is the concept of a "free conscience". even if they have taken it and skewed it for their own uses.


2Co 4:2

But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

There is nothing wrong with the conscience thing per the above in scripture. We want people's consciences to be led to Jesus Christ in freedom not in slavery or like robots.

You obviously know I consider Mormonism wholly satanic.


I agree about the verse, that before ignorance had a different place, today people have the gospel, but for one to be born again, this is their conscience leading them via God and still in freedom. We will agree this freedom is God given NOT man-given. Is what Steven writes, the point you are driving at? We should obey men rather then God, so of course God's commands trump those of men. God does outrank governments and societies.

And yes you are right that "freedom" really is not a benefit given by governments but a God-given right.

Lillianna, can you post a link to that video or email it to me? [see profile for email] I may post it here.

Bible Believer said...

Yes George Washington was a freemason, this is why those who present America as a Christian nation at it's founding are basically flat out lying.

These are the types who believe in that myth who will put the Constitution at the height of scripture.

That is a big mistake. I do not believe the Constitution the secular document is being out into force anymore. So what do pledges mean now to instill amendments that in the total practice, really have been rendered null and void? NDAA? etc.

Well 50 years ago even Constitutional types wouldn't have used it to protect the church of Satan, but then what does that whole "right to a trial" thing mean anymore with the NDAA? It's wiped away.

I consider the Constitution a secular document and probably among the "better" in this wicked world, but it's long ago been cast out for their "new rules" which are basically tyranny. The elites allowed some "freedoms" for a season, and have taken it away. They needed to grant these "freedoms" to form the hmm what's the best word..."polygot" society to march the world into the one world religion and government. Freedom itself is not a "bad thing" but even "good" things can be used with a wicked plan in mind. I am noticing how they are advancing all sorts of wickedness in the spirit of "freedom".

Anonymous said...

"So it looks like when Christians take a pledge, they are pledging to protect the Constitution, they are pledging to protect the Church of Satan. Right? You see the dilemma Satan has cornered Christians in."

That's a dilemma I don't wanna be in. Thanks Ephesians for the verses.

Lillianna White said...

Hi all,

I agree with BB. Words have shifting meanings. What meant freedom to one person 200 years ago may mean something else entirely to a person today.

There is nothing inherently bad about freedom of conscience, we have it and it is God given. He did not make robots with remote controls. Those who choose Him will be saved.

Even though times change when it comes to things God overlooks, His approach is still grace and not force. Judgment is on the way. The goal is to reach them with the love of the gospel, not shove God down their throats with a fist.

A good thing can be used for bad and a bad thing can be used for good despite the intended goal.

And totally, the constitution is being etched away at by the passing moment, what difference does it make what is in there now? It isn't being honored anyway, as BB said. The NWO is coming either way, and soon! If the constitution worked for 225+ years, praise God! But why even argue about it or pick on it, I mean, the time is short. When the NWO takes over, the document is marked for the shredder anyway.

Why waste time on that instead of focusing on what is going on in the church? The government laws are Caesar's department anyway.

Again, if it is removed (and otherwise why bother criticizing a thing), and you need to replace it with something (nothing won't work, the void will be filled), the only other choice is a forced religion.

There is either freedom, or force. That is what it boils down to.

Also, Ephesians, freedom to allow any/all religions to worship is not the same thing as uniting them all into one conglomeration. The antichrist will do that and impose the one world religion on the world, as we will see, and then, for exercising our freedom to dissent/resist, we will suffer and die as it says, reaching the finish line in victory.

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