Wednesday, December 18, 2013
So Few Discern.....
Perhaps some of you have faced statements like I am going to list below. If you want to share any input or advice I am willing to take it. Outside the internet, and like-minded Christians such as ones who post on here, my success rate of finding like-minded people or convincing of them of things is abysmally low. I have witnessed to many, even a couple who left the Catholic church, but then the evangelical church system scoops them right up. I know they are in God's hands, and in charge of their own choices and beliefs, but sometimes this can get tough.
What would you say or do? Have any of you ever known someone extremely kind, a good loved friend or colleague or family member or someone that professes to love Jesus Christ and then they just do not want to know what you have to share? Sometimes it can be troubling. It hurts my heart, to try and show someone I care about things and then be told the following.
Let me list them....
1. "That is too scary and depressing".
This is usually said in reference to warnings about the NWO, or if one doesn't want to go down what is commonly known as "conspiracy" lane, this has been said to me in reference to Satan running the world and Luciferians at the higher levels running things. This statement has been told to me warning about false evangelical churches several times. This can be over something such as bringing up the reality of the Tribulation in the book of Revelation during a bible study or for more liberal folks, even the discussion of hell itself. Many church folks out there consider even connecting bible prophecy to current events as "conspiracy". I have directly seen a pastor write, "We are to focus on our own lives and not get caught up in bible prophecy!" Anyhow conspiracy is warned of in the Bible.
Acts 23:13 And they were more than forty which had made this conspiracy.
We are supposed to give the "good news" of course, but this statement usually goes with the next:
2. "The world is NOT that evil, the world is a good place."
That's a hard one to break. This is related to some of the you must be positive messages that are out in the world. It is tough, I know my world view alone, can have people label me as "melancholic", even if you tell them of hope and joy in heaven, if you say things here are bad or really bad, people are upset by that. Many do not face the reality of how our world works. They do really believe that it is better "not to know" and this can range from immediate topics like false pastors to more subtle stuff, like believing that all people want to do good, or people are mostly good inside. The Bible says there are none that are good.
Some will trying to mean well will tell you, put that 'depressing religious stuff" aside and go enjoy yourself. Why do you have to warn about all that depressing stuff biblebeliever? This one where people can get to you, and you think "Oh I shouldn't talk about these things" and how many conform based on that alone, not wanting to be a "negative nancy"? One can think thoughts like maybe my view of the world is skewed because I've had a tough life but then this attitude especially has grown and led people into a denial of sorts with self-chosen blindfolds.
But if one isn't going to admit the world is evil, how are we supposed to do this?
Ephesians 6: 31 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
3. It's not right to leave the church system. God designed us to be in the church.
I have shared my struggles with this one quite a few times. One thing I will confess here, is I do struggle with a temptation to find the "least worst" church and attend. Thoughts pop up like, "I've been out of a church now for 7 years, except for a few months of visiting a Calvary Chapel years ago and how is this going to work out in the long haul?" No other members of my household are Christians. If I ever did that, that would last all of about two seconds, before they would praise Rick Warren from the pulpit or tell me that no politician is to be criticized and I would get up and run. These folks, see people who reject the church system as "outliners". This one is a tough one. I have been asked these kind of questions:
a. What kind of Christian doesn't go to church?
My answer: One that can't find a church that teaches the truth. Then I quote Revelation 17
b. How can you be a Christian in a vacumm?
My answer: It's not easy, I seek out long distance Christian fellowship. We have the Holy Spirit to lead and teach us even when alone.
c. Why do you think you know more then those who have studied theology and actually know Greek and Hebrew?
My answer: The Holy Spirit is to be our teacher. The seminaries are cemetaries when it comes to true Christian belief.
d. Now that I am born again, where am I supposed to attend a local church to find like-minded believers?
My answer: You must trust in God and ask Him to lead you. This one troubles me, because I think a new believer definitely needs some Christian support. I have done a few bible studies with one newer believer but that fell off from their end. I have answered Pray to God to find like minded believers and look to God's truth and then warned about the churches. Yes this one is not easy.
e. The circumstances of your life, bible believer make it imperative that you are a part of a church.
My answer: I'd rather be in a church but I have not been able to find a house church or other independent church that teaches the truth. They know I am in a household with no other Christians, my family of orgin is not Christian and I live in a community where even "fundamentalists" are extraordinarily rare.
Many do not realize I would love to have a church to be in or part of. But how many falsehoods can on take? What if God tells you to leave them all? Even ones you yourself did not want to leave but obedience to God had to come first? I know this applies to some readers here.
About a month ago, one of my old church members [from my first IFB] wrote me and told me I need to find a church, any church rather then be around out in the world alone. She wrote me and told me, "The times are evil and you need the support of a church family!" Point taken, we all know this is not an easy place to be but what can be done? Perhaps God will change things for me one day.
Soon I may be writing about a topic that may not be an easy one. This one I may upset a few folks. I am going to be writing about the baptist churches, and the matters where I parted ways from the baptist church even IFBs and why I stopped calling myself a baptist long ago. This one is kind of a scary one to go into. Why? Because I have my connections to my old IFB church and old pastor--[yes have freely told him what I believe from everything on Christmas to the NWO] and I know I probably have a lot of IFB and other baptist readers.
4. The Pressures are Immense.
If not for study of God's Word and prayer, I can see how people would give in to all of the above, I see them give in all the time. One tells them the hard truths, and they do not want to know. They run. You find yourself wondering why? It's sometimes hard to draw that line too between who is really saved, but in need of time and teaching via the Holy Spirit and who has never really been born again but considers themselves a Christian because they are part of a church or were baptized. There are many in the church system, even Catholic who if you ask them, "Are you born again?" Will have no problem saying "Yes!" but be totally wrong. Many will tell you, "I am born again," and many will tell you, they became born again and gave their lives to Jesus Christ, but here I'm having my own difficulty, why aren't they discerning things then? Why do they still believe "Jesus" is in a piece of bread? The Catholics take that to the extreme but many other Protestants believe in downgraded forms of what the Catholics do. Why do so many Baptists like Rick Warren or think anyone who warns about discernment is wrong?
For someone who stays in the Catholic church, and imbides of communion, and still believes in Purgatory, we pretty much can easily say, they have not been born again to where the Holy Spirit called them out of the harlot...I have said to some people directly, outside of a rare one who directly disobeys the Holy Spirit to leave, there are no saved people in the Catholic church. Sadly many have their pastors tell them otherwise.
We know most of the church system is lost including the Protestant and evangelical ones. Surely some are born again, but why don't they discern? Why don't they "see"? This is a tough one for me especially regarding people I care and love about. The church system serves as its own blindfold. So many can't conceive of the truth outside what it told them by pastors. I know heaven isn't going to be a theological test to get in. Being born again, will be the most important. Surely even I have not learned everything there is to learn, we are all only human. But I question some of this stuff I really do from what I see. The not wanting to know thing when it is so overt is scary.
It can be heartbreaking to show them scriptures, books on scriptures, videos, and they hand them back over to you saying, "I could not read this, I stopped reading this, I found this too scary..." It is a hard place to be in. Perhaps some of my readers here have faced this too. What would you say or do beyond praying? These are people who freely admit they are "born again" but cling to the church system and it's worse deceptions like a barnacle on a ship. Many are in churches their families have been in for over a hundred years. Others trust their pastors, some of whom are "kind" men to tell them "the truth." It's not always an easy thing. Sometimes I have asked God, are my fruits poor because so few have listened? Uh-oh people who hate this blog may jump on that one. Have any of my readers faced this, what do you think?
They are of those that rebel against the light; they know not the ways thereof, nor abide in the paths thereof.
Posted by Bible Believer at 8:27 AM