Wednesday, December 18, 2013

So Few Discern.....


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Perhaps some of you have faced statements like I am going to list below. If you want to share any input or advice I am willing to take it. Outside the internet, and like-minded Christians such as ones who post on here, my success rate of finding like-minded people or convincing of them of things is abysmally low. I have witnessed to many, even a couple who left the Catholic church, but then the evangelical church system scoops them right up. I know they are in God's hands, and in charge of their own choices and beliefs, but sometimes this can get tough.

 What would you say or do?  Have any of you ever known someone extremely kind, a good loved friend or colleague or family member or someone that professes to love Jesus Christ and then they just do not want to know what you have to share? Sometimes it can be troubling. It hurts my heart, to try and show someone I care about things and then be told the following.

Let me list them....

1. "That is too scary and depressing".

This is usually said in reference to warnings about the NWO, or if one doesn't want to go down what is commonly known as "conspiracy" lane, this has been said to me in reference to Satan running the world and Luciferians at the higher levels running things. This statement has been told to me warning about false evangelical churches several times. This can be over something such as bringing up the reality of the Tribulation in the book of Revelation during a bible study or for more liberal folks, even the discussion of hell itself.  Many church folks out there consider even connecting bible prophecy to current events as "conspiracy". I have directly seen a pastor write, "We are to focus on our own lives and not get caught up in bible prophecy!" Anyhow conspiracy is warned of in the Bible.

Acts 23:13 And they were more than forty which had made this conspiracy.

We are supposed to give the "good news" of course, but this statement usually goes with the next:

2. "The world is NOT that evil, the world is a good place."

That's a hard one to break. This is related to some of the you must be positive messages that are out in the world. It is tough, I know my world view alone, can have people label me as "melancholic", even if you tell them of hope and joy in heaven, if you say things here are bad or really bad, people are upset by that. Many do not face the reality of how our world works. They do really believe that it is better "not to know" and this can range from immediate topics like false pastors to more subtle stuff, like believing that all people want to do good, or people are mostly good inside. The Bible says there are none that are good.

 Some will trying to mean well will tell you, put that 'depressing religious stuff" aside and go enjoy yourself. Why do you have to warn about all that depressing stuff biblebeliever? This one where people can get to you, and you think "Oh I shouldn't talk about these things" and how many conform based on that alone, not wanting to be a "negative nancy"? One can think thoughts like maybe my view of the world is skewed because I've had a tough life but then this attitude especially has grown and led people into a denial of sorts with self-chosen blindfolds.

But if one isn't going to admit the world is evil, how are we supposed to do this?

Ephesians 6: 31 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

3. It's not right to leave the church system. God designed us to be in the church.

I have shared my struggles with this one quite a few times. One thing I will confess here, is I do struggle with a temptation to find the "least worst" church and attend. Thoughts pop up like, "I've been out of a church now for 7 years, except for a few months of visiting a Calvary Chapel years ago and how is this going to work out in the long haul?" No other members of my household are Christians. If I ever did that, that would last all of about two seconds, before they would praise Rick Warren from the pulpit or tell me that no politician is to be criticized and I would get up and run. These folks, see people who reject the church system as "outliners". This one is a tough one. I have been asked these kind of questions:

a. What kind of Christian doesn't go to church?

My answer: One that can't find a church that teaches the truth. Then I quote Revelation 17

b. How can you be a Christian in a vacumm?

My answer: It's not easy, I seek out long distance Christian fellowship. We have the Holy Spirit to lead and teach us even when alone.

c. Why do you think you know more then those who have studied theology and actually know Greek and Hebrew?

My answer: The Holy Spirit is to be our teacher. The seminaries are cemetaries when it comes to true Christian belief.

d. Now that I am born again, where am I supposed to attend a local church to find like-minded believers?

My answer: You must trust in God and ask Him to lead you. This one troubles me, because I think a new believer definitely needs some Christian support.  I have done a few bible studies with one newer believer but that fell off from their end. I have answered Pray to God to find like minded believers and look to God's truth and then warned about the churches. Yes this one is not easy.

e. The circumstances of your life, bible believer make it imperative that you are a part of a church.

My answer: I'd rather be in a church but I have not been able to find a house church or other independent church that teaches the truth. They know I am in a household with no other Christians, my family of orgin is not Christian and I live in a community where even "fundamentalists" are extraordinarily rare.

Many do not realize I would love to have a church to be in or part of. But how many falsehoods can on take? What if God tells you to leave them all? Even ones you yourself did not want to leave but obedience to God had to come first? I know this applies to some readers here.

About a month ago, one of my old church members [from my first IFB] wrote me and told me I need to find a church, any church rather then be around out in the world alone. She wrote me and told me, "The times are evil and you need the support of a church family!"  Point taken, we all know this is not an easy place to be but what can be done? Perhaps God will change things for me one day.

Soon I may be writing about a topic that may not be an easy one. This one I may upset a few folks. I am going to be writing about the baptist churches, and the matters where I parted ways from the baptist church even IFBs and why I stopped calling myself a baptist long ago. This one is kind of a scary one to go into.  Why? Because I have my connections to my old IFB church  and old pastor--[yes have freely told him what I believe from everything on Christmas to the NWO] and I know I probably have a lot of IFB and other baptist readers.

4. The Pressures are Immense.

If not for study of God's Word and prayer, I can see how people would give in to all of the above, I see them give in all the time. One tells them the hard truths, and they do not want to know. They run.  You find yourself wondering why? It's sometimes hard to draw that line too between who is really saved, but in need of time and teaching via the Holy Spirit and who has never really been born again but considers themselves a Christian because they are part of a church or were baptized. There are many in the church system, even Catholic who if you ask them, "Are you born again?" Will have no problem saying "Yes!" but be totally wrong.  Many will tell you, "I am born again," and many will tell you, they became born again and gave their lives to Jesus Christ, but here I'm having my own difficulty, why aren't they discerning things then? Why do they still believe "Jesus" is in a piece of bread? The Catholics take that to the extreme but many other Protestants believe in downgraded forms of what the Catholics do. Why do so many Baptists like Rick Warren or think anyone who warns about discernment is wrong?

For someone who stays in the Catholic church, and imbides of communion, and still believes in Purgatory, we pretty much can easily say, they have not been born again to where the Holy Spirit called them out of the harlot...I have said to some people directly, outside of a rare one who directly disobeys the Holy Spirit to leave, there are no saved people in the Catholic church. Sadly many have their pastors tell them otherwise.

We know most of the church system is lost including the Protestant and evangelical ones. Surely some are born again, but why don't they discern? Why don't they "see"? This is a tough one for me especially regarding people I care and love about. The church system serves as its own blindfold. So many can't conceive of the truth outside what it told them by pastors. I know heaven isn't going to be a theological test to get in. Being born again, will be the most important. Surely even I have not learned everything there is to learn, we are all only human. But I question some of this stuff I really do from what I see. The not wanting to know thing when it is so overt is scary.

It can be heartbreaking to show them scriptures, books on scriptures, videos, and they hand them back over to you saying, "I could not read this, I stopped reading this, I found this too scary..." It is a hard place to be in.  Perhaps some of my readers here have faced this too. What would you say or do beyond praying? These are people who freely admit they are "born again" but cling to the church system and it's worse deceptions like a barnacle on a ship.  Many are in churches their families have been in for over a hundred years. Others trust their pastors, some of whom are "kind" men to tell them "the truth." It's not always an easy thing. Sometimes I have asked God, are my fruits poor because so few have listened? Uh-oh people who hate this blog may jump on that one. Have any of my readers faced this, what do you think?

Job 24:13
They are of those that rebel against the light; they know not the ways thereof, nor abide in the paths thereof.


59 comments:

Anonymous said...

I found your blog several months ago while searching for info on the guy that wrote Radical and also Francis Chan. I have 2 college age granddaughters that had this book promoted to them, one at a so called Christian Baptist College. I checked the book out and saw it was blatantly false and was encouraged to find that you correctly identified these 2 men deceiving our youth.
I grew up in SBC church but as an adult who sought to live for the Lord found that my husband and I were at odds with liberal leaders. we were told in one church to get behind the minister and support him 100% or leave. We left. The next church pretty much the same story. Driven out. My husbands health deteriorated and we did not attend church anywhere and when he passed away 8 years ago I was amazed how liberal most churches had become, most with movie screens and rock and roll music. My daughter and her family attend a mega church that looks and sounds like a night club.
I don't attend church anywhere because I just can't stand the sham and falseness. The Lord has brought me through much personal tribulation and has shown me that His sheep know His voice and will not follow strangers. There are many strangers out there pretending they are Christians. I don't identify with the Reformationists, Evangelistics etc. As the song says, "Though no go with me I still will follow." He will never forsake His own. I think of myself as being like Moses who had to leave the congregation and pitch his tent outside of them. Recently I was asked by a friend to attend her Baptist Women's brunch. They had a woman speaker from a Mega Church speak and all she talked about was her daughter who had graduated high school and went immediately to do missions in Africa and the poverty and dire conditions there. Of course her daughter now thinks American's are selfish pigs leaving in such wealth while Africans suffer so. She was selling her books and African wares after the meeting. I went home thinking to myself, well I haven't missed anything but falseness by not being in a church. Sometimes people will ask me where I go to church and I just say I do home church and let it drop. If others want to know truth they will find it. Our Father is always being faithful and will reveal the truth to those who truly seek Him.
I do hate to see our young people being deceived and taken advantage of by so called Christian groups but they will just have to learn their lessons and learn to follow the Lord and not others.
It seems that all churches that I am hearing of are on the same path of send everyone to those poor foreign lands, ignoring the needs of those in their own communities and country. Our youth are being so sucked into going to Hati, Africa, Cambodian etc. I so disagree, but just keep thinking that the Lord is always in charge and knows all that we face in this evil day.
Keep up your good work Bible Believer. The Lord is faithful and will give you all the support you need. Let us all be knowing He is our Shepherd, we shall not want!

Anonymous said...

Hang in there, Biblebeliever! All of your experiences are common to those who have followed the Holy Spirit and His Truth!

I too struggle with discouragement and have to be sure I am following the Holy Spirit's leading on when/who to warn and when to be silent.

Be encouraged that God's word never comes back empty, so if He has you share the truth and warn people, you can be assured that God will either work on their hearts and use it for good to lead them to the truth, or that the words He had you speak will be shown them on Judgement Day as part of the many times the Holy Spirit pleaded and warned them.

Only God knows their hearts, and we may never see the good fruit that comes from our faithfulness in warning. There will still be loneliness and discouragement, but the isolation that standing on the Truth causes is by far one of the key ways the Holy Spirit is preparing His true church to face what is coming.

Be encouraged!

Ed said...

In regards to your article, I know exactly what you are going thru.I wrote to you a while back. I have been a musician in the gospel field for many years. I wrote to you concerning leaving a church that only cared about your talent, and not the person. Besides playing music, I have studied, and keep studying about the disenagrating church system, NWO, religious cults and so forth. You are so right, when you try to even say just a little bit on the topics, they look at you like you a are a tin-hatter or something. I am facing a situation right now, about getting back into a church with the (lesser evils). I was at a church Christmas presentation as a spectator only. At the end the concert, I was told by fellow musicians that I was wasting my talent not playing anymore. I had stepped out of the Church system for good. I agree with most everything that you say on this blog, you are one of my only sources for quality Christian fellowship. Anyway, I prayed asking The Lord if I should get back in the gospel music ministry. Later that day, my old worship leader calls and asks for my to run their audio system at church for now. I am going to give it a try. You are absolutely right, it is hard not to have fellowship,but where do you draw the line. Nobody in most of my contacts, has the same mindset as myself. I am going right back into the Baptist church again. Sunday, all the pastor was emulating Beth Moore, Billy Graham, the 7year trib. Period. You get my drift. It really is a struggle, so we will see what happens. Again, I cannot say it enough,I greatly appreciate your ministry, and all that you are accomplishing. You are truly doing a great service to other like minded believers. Take care.

Anonymous said...

Great responses, you respond much better than I do. So many groups out here, if your not in one people believe there is something wrong with you. I have been online all today just going through all the groups, sacred namers, reformers, jewish jesus, radical judaism, non zionist judaism, catholicism, I mean the list is endless. Bottom line its all paganism outside of Him, doesn't matter which one it is. He is definitely a stumbling block, and foolish to those in unbelief. I just don't know what else to say about any of this. It feels like your all alone. My history with all these groups is how they ensnare you into their belief system, you don't change them. (I believe there is a verse about that but cannot remember where it is). Then your smack dab in the middle of this ruthless holiday. They should rename the song "its the most covetous time of the year". Nothing is kept within the simplicity which is in Christ anymore.

Lynn said...

Bible Believer, I hardly know where to begin... In fact, I wish desperately we could talk. My heart, my mind, my spirit is churning in me, over many of the same concerns and issues mentioned in this post.

I'm wishing there was a way to offer you my phone number, as I would sure appreciate a chance to converse with you real-time. I've been living outside the church system for too long (or so it feels)... and there's a lot on my heart at the moment that is familiar to your experience. I have been following your blog for some years now and have appreciated your thoughts. I have been experiencing much of the same in way of responses from people that you have noted here, and it is increasingly troubling to me. There does seem to be an intractable pushing-aside of "unpleasantness" for sake of people's undisturbed peace (you could say "fantasy").

Anyway... it's tiring to think of trying to put my thoughts down in written form in any satisfying way. That's why I'm hoping there's a chance we could connect real-time. If you would, please, I can be reached at (remove the spaces) ly n n (dot) n (dot) d an @ g ma il (dot) c om

Thanks. I'm looking forward to the responses you get from folks re this latest post. A very welcome subject to me (and timely).

Lynn

Anonymous said...

Hi. On number 3.a. what does Rev 17 have to do with not finding a church that tells the truth? Just curious

Anonymous said...

I totally know what you are talking about, I hear the same responses from my christian friends, they have been programed most of their lives with this false reality of the world and also the church.I was in the same mind set until the last 3 years.I could hear the Holy spirit telling me years ago that something is wrong with the church, but I did not want to face it. I had to ask myself, who am I following Jesus or man, I decided to make the hard choice and follow Jesus. I can see why most people don't want to make the hard choice, it means taking a stand and maybe being deprived of fellowship. Jesus said following him is not easy. I used to ask myself and the Lord before I took my stand, "would I still follow you if I were all alone". I can only say for myself, since I have taken my stand, He has held on to me tighter. I would have never known that if I didn't stand up for the truth and go along with the continual church sliding compromise.

Kayfabe said...

I am going thru the same thing right now. We have our little home fellowship but it's real small. I have been shunned by many of my former Calvaryites and the few who still engage with me will invite me to a home study they have but then It becomes all too clear that discernment is a gift that is not being excercised very well here in U.S. Christianity. A home study I recently went to focused on "What was the date that Jesus was actually born?" The guiy was using numerology and then he was also stuck on us following the customs of the Old Testament. No ne said a word, the blind leading the blind. Many today love their celebrities and will take whatevere they say as gospel without being bereans. It's to the point now where Christians are even giving praise to the Pope and they won't even question the Rick Warrens, Brian Brodersons and Greg Lauries of the world for holding hands with the Catholic church. I have been feeling very weary lately. I pray you find likeminded brethren, even one is a huge belessing.

FaithGuy3 said...

Yes, many times have I faced this...

1) On those occasions where I've tried to warn others in the "church" system over the RCC and Rick Warren - yeah, I too got responded with some hostility. Reactions like, "Don't judge!", "Why do you hate them?", "But Warren and these pastors were appointed by God!", "But Catholics do so much good work", etc, etc. And when I try to show them scriptures, and even what exactly came out of their mouths/what they do, they would close their ears.

Seriously - I myself was in this system for many years, and I too was in shock when A) I saw that Warren video at that TEDx conference preaching a Christ-less/works based gospel, and 2) The RCC unbiblical pagan practices.

And it's also come to a point where we have to believe everything they say - for example, Warren was on Piers Morgan recently exploiting his son(who committed suicide recently) to push gun control for the umpteenth time, and somehow people around me think he's right? Warren says we need to keep guns out of the mentally ill - Uhm...forget about the part where Warren had no qualms throwing his son to psychiatrists and pharmaceutical meds for over 20 years(which he seemed to have no qualms about).

2) Not just Warren and the RCC, but a lot of these "pastors" in this "church" system have been brainwashed and trained to lord over and manipulate their flocks.

For example, some of the heresies I've heard from them over the years are, "If you can't focus on the pastors' sermons, then you're letting the devil distract you", "If your heart doesn't serve God completely, then you have idols in your heart", "You should be in church all Sundays instead of watching football", "You're letting the devil take a stranglehold on you!", etc.

I mean it's as if these people don't know what idols are - the main idolatry(I know there are other big ones, but this is the one stressed the most in the OT) in the bible is in OT times where the nation of Israel made covenants with the heathen(and learned their ways). And yes, this applies to NT times now, why? B/c these same "pastors" and "churches" are yoking with the Catholics and other pagans(ie-this Interfaith agenda) - yeah, they are doing the SAME thing, but en yet they end up craftily accusing their pews of having idols in their hearts if they don't come to church all day Sundays and serve the Lord 100% of the time?

And do they even know how the devil operates? He's a CREATED FALLEN BEING, NOT some *supernatural omnipotent* spirit!

3) As for saying how it's wrong to focus on bible prophecy? Well - somehow it's OK for these same "pastors" to run these buildings with budgets in the 6 figures? Is it also OK for them to run around town and fly around the country to do other activities, while ignoring the flock?(while using the same church funds that come out of the hard-earned money of the pews)

And it's also not surprising they say this, b/c they're using non-KJB corrupted bible versions, which came out of Rome, and have lead to this Apostasy.

FaithGuy3 said...

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4) Last year at a church I attend - the youth ministers were advertising their VBS promo to the pews. It was filled with heavy metal loud rock music(it was from the heretical CCM band Go Fish - which is featured on a lot of the VBS programs).

Ultimately, I had to run out in disgust, but I was all but SHOCKED to see the pews sitting there looking INDIFFERENT. Afterwards, someone told me that they were just MERELY SHOWING PATIENCE at this(even though they might not have agreed with it). Again, I saw their facial expressions and body language, they looked like they DIDN'T CARE.

And speaking of Sunday School and VBS - neither of them are biblical to begin with. The worst thing that happens here is that parents are allowing strangers to teach their children, when in fact parents need to read the bible and teach them themselves. As much as I hate to say it, this is MUCH worse than the secular public school system!

5) Even these so-called "discernment" ministries have done their part throwing fuel into the fire - yes, these Jan Markel/Chris Pinto/Brannon House/John MacArthur/Chris Rosebrough types will expose the Postmodernism/Emergent Church through and through(personally, this was my first taste of seeing Apostasy in the church). However, not once have they exposed the corrupt organized "church" system, nor their RCC-lite practices, nor do they take a stand for the King James Bible(Pinto has, however, he's craftily supported other versions like the ESV).

Ultimately, these "discernment" ministries lead you back into bondage into these "church" buildings.


Yes, I don't know if they are/aren't saved - but one thing's for sure(and I went through this too), there's ALOT of brainwashing, manipulation, intimidation, and fearmongering going on within these "church" walls.

The more I think about it, to be frank, the more I'm not sure if everyone has heard the true gospel. I'll be honest - I THOUGHT I was saved prior to 2009 when I was going to church on Sun mornings/evenings regularly and giving my 15% tithe. But when someone that year showed me the truth of the King James Bible on a message forum, I FINALLY got to learn the truth!

Anonymous said...

I'm personally already sick of the "Duck Dynasty" nonsense. Now one of their guys spoke out against homosexuality. Big deal. They're all still "Church of Christ", which is a cult that leads to hell.

Talk about lack of discernment. My facebook wall is filled with this guy's statement about homosexuality, but none of them want to hear that these guys are in a cult that leads to hell.

Bible Believer said...

First anon, I am glad you found by blog trying to find information on Chan. It is a very false book, he teaches a gospel of works and doing work for the globalist order instead of any true Christian teachings. I am sorry you faced having a pastor that told you to support him 100% or leave. I have seen that growing in churches I have visited, blind obedience, or get out! And often they have all these covenants for people to sign, saying they will obey the pastor. etc. It is really sick.

Yes a 8 year gap would show you major changes. I was in a rural IFB [it is now closed sadly--well it moved to another town and merged with another church but acouple false pastors later since the other one left, it's not the same church anymore and most of the old members were gone, when I came here around 7 years ago, I had culture shock seeing how bad the churches all were, even the ones that claimed to be more "conservative". The movie screens, repetitive songs instead of old hymns it was disconcerting. I have seen the mega church would be night clubs. I hope your granddaughters can discern soon what is going on. Trust me I undertand why you do not attend a church. I can't stand the sham and falseness of it, or the pastors who all "oversell". I am sorry you lost your husband too, and will pray for you, and sorry for your tribulations. Sometimes if a person goes through a lot these can be life lessons that open their eyes with the HOly Spirits help. No we do not want to follow strangers, and if you attend churches and see nothing but "strangers" in the pulpit, then why go to that place? None of the pastors discern anything either and I have thought to myself why attend a church where, the guy doesn't even get the basics about Billy Graham or even knows that the Catholic church is the harlot. That is the majority of them.

continuing....

Bible Believer said...


I dont identify with the "Protestants" either...good word Reformationists. They all follow men, Luther, Mennos, Calvin, they all took their pick. Men walking as trees. That is a phrase from the Bible...to me that sums up the Reformation. Agree about the evangelicalists too.

I love that song, yes even if one is alone. I agree God will never forsake us and love the analogy about Moses. Yes there are a lot of church events I have said no to, even invited by friends. Some are upset by me that I do not go to church and one I told recently I am a Christian that does not go to church and believe that the churches are fallen away. She is in a Lutheran church that rejects the ecumenical movement and even teaches the Pope is antichrist, but when they believe that "jesus" is in the Eucharist, [communion] they are still under the tent of "Rome" and it's traditions and do not realize it. I came out and said this, in the most pleasant way possible. I know she did not agree with me though we are still friends, I have lost friends being convicted to tell them the truth. The African thing is a giant scam. The poor will never see the money. This is one way they can clean out the tills more in America. I have to admit as a person who is very much on the lower echelons of society in America [God has blessed me with computer connections and ability to be online more so then others in my situation] it is scary to watch these churches lead their members to never help at home and send all their money overseas. I was sickened once visiting one church in my old community that was extremely poor and rural when they took up money collections for third world nations and ignored the needs right at home. Poor people often leave churches because they know they do not "fit". Imagine being jobless or broke or on the verge of homelessness and there is the pastor doing another campaign for a money-clean out for the third world. In these churches they are busy telling people American poor people are lazy and good-for-nothings and telling them to join the Tea-Party to campaign for more rights for the bankers while taking endless collections for Africa. Think about these third world countries, the poor have no power. Those dispersing the money, there is no oversight in what they do with it. I wrote this long article long ago about the exploitation of the third world.

My belief about the third world? The more they are left alone outside the direct preaching of the gospel the better off they will be instead of American power brokers, using religion to go there and take their resources, and take over their agriculture--Monsanto, etc.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2011/06/liberation-theology-exploiting-poor-for.html

Even with Haiti, some whistleblowers asked, Where did the 2 billion dollars go?

Bible Believer said...

Thanks Anon 2, I appreaciate your words very much. Yes sometimes it helps for me to hear, there are others of us going through this. Anyone who sticks with God's Truth today, we are the minority among those who follow the church system and do not wish to know. I hope more do wake up. I know I too was blinded at one time and came to know the gospel and then had God show me more. So there can be hope and prayers too for these folks, but I know it is tough. I pray about when I should open my mouth too, and when I should be more silent, one sometimes has to test the waters to see how receptive people will be. Sadly many are not.

I agree God's Word will never come back empty. At least when we warn others our consciences can be clear, that we did our best and obeyed God in telling them rather then staying silent out of fear of censure or losing a friendship. I have lost many friends due to my Christian viewpoints. The Bible warned us about that too, the divisions that would come. In my case too, I have stood alone as a Christian, and lost many members of the family too. Others here may relate to that too. If you are a strong enough born again believer, those in false cults, even if you are kind, and don't thump your Bible in their face every minute, will keep their children away from you, relative or not. They do not want the children picking up on the truth, not at all.

Yes God knows their hearts, one day they may remember our words, it may help them be saved or leave false churches. I had Christians witness to me 15 years prior to my salvation, so there words that even many years later may come to fruition. I remember these Christians and what they said to me.

Yes some of the loneliness can get hard and the discouragement. I am taking this to God now, as I have been struggling with it. I am thankful for others here who have shared too their own experiences, and it has helped me feel less alone in this.

I do think the Holy Spirit is preparing us for what is coming too. If one won't stand their ground even if means losing friends or family for Jesus Christ, what of the sacrifices that could happen in the Tribulation or even if one lives in a place where Christians are fully persecuted. As I have said I believe that is coming to America. Those outside the babylonian church system will be on their radars. I believe all this NSA stuff, to be frank is to ferret out all the true Christians, that's why they are taping Grandma and Uncle Joe's phone calls. It doesn't necessarily all have to do with Islamic terrorists. Thanks for the encouragement.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks Anon 2, I appreaciate your words very much. Yes sometimes it helps for me to hear, there are others of us going through this. Anyone who sticks with God's Truth today, we are the minority among those who follow the church system and do not wish to know. I hope more do wake up. I know I too was blinded at one time and came to know the gospel and then had God show me more. So there can be hope and prayers too for these folks, but I know it is tough. I pray about when I should open my mouth too, and when I should be more silent, one sometimes has to test the waters to see how receptive people will be. Sadly many are not.

I agree God's Word will never come back empty. At least when we warn others our consciences can be clear, that we did our best and obeyed God in telling them rather then staying silent out of fear of censure or losing a friendship. I have lost many friends due to my Christian viewpoints. The Bible warned us about that too, the divisions that would come. In my case too, I have stood alone as a Christian, and lost many members of the family too. Others here may relate to that too. If you are a strong enough born again believer, those in false cults, even if you are kind, and don't thump your Bible in their face every minute, will keep their children away from you, relative or not. They do not want the children picking up on the truth, not at all.

Yes God knows their hearts, one day they may remember our words, it may help them be saved or leave false churches. I had Christians witness to me 15 years prior to my salvation, so there words that even many years later may come to fruition. I remember these Christians and what they said to me.

Yes some of the loneliness can get hard and the discouragement. I am taking this to God now, as I have been struggling with it. I am thankful for others here who have shared too their own experiences, and it has helped me feel less alone in this.

I do think the Holy Spirit is preparing us for what is coming too. If one won't stand their ground even if means losing friends or family for Jesus Christ, what of the sacrifices that could happen in the Tribulation or even if one lives in a place where Christians are fully persecuted. As I have said I believe that is coming to America. Those outside the babylonian church system will be on their radars. I believe all this NSA stuff, to be frank is to ferret out all the true Christians, that's why they are taping Grandma and Uncle Joe's phone calls. It doesn't necessarily all have to do with Islamic terrorists. Thanks for the encouragement.

Bible Believer said...

Hi Ed, I remember your letter, I know you definitely are facing some tests, with your career field and all these false churches. That would be very hard. I am glad you are studying and will pray for you. You are right even the most LIGHT topic, trust me I have visited enough churches in my search years ago, they are upset with you and see a person as "crazy", it can be something as simple as Rick Warren is a false teacher or even what many of the false discernment ministries consider SAFE territory. There was one man in an SBC I visited who was outraged when I told him most of the churches were falling away. People do not realize the growing strength of ecumenicalism out there. It is interesting to me how even Lutherans are running discernment ministries taken seriously by evangelicals like Pirate Radio.

Yes a Christmas presentation, I have yet to see a church outside of the phony cult of Jehovah Witnesses even warn about Christmas. in my old IFB, they downplayed it, some celebrated and some did not, that probably is even rare as most churches focus on Christmas to the extreme.I totally understand why you could not play for this concert and here you are being tested on your obedience to God. This reminds me of one thing I had happen, though on a far lesser scale, I do art work, and this lady wanted me to do an art showing at her church, and it was a false emergent church and I said No. Sometimes it is tough, one has to pray about what is associated with and what lines God wants you to keep too.

I am glad this my blog has helped you. I am glad you have a place for your music ministry now. Take care and I will pray for you.

Bible Believer said...

Lynn I will email you later. Sometimes I do get behind, but I would like to talk to. With the phone, I have to be careful because of the nature of the blog. You do seem like a sincere person but I have had experiences before where I must be careful. This included phone contact. Let's just say some out there didn't like it when I was just on a message board warning about Catholicism and their interfaith movement. I've had some very strange experiences. So please do not take any offense but we can write to one another. I have no objection to that. I always welcome the opportunity to communicate with like-minded Christian believers. I know it is troubling the response of others isn't it. Some I have been surprised, I have even shared close friendship with a few, but then when the pedal hits the medal, they won't look. It can be unsettling but I do not regret trying. As you know I've been outside the church system a very long time too. The last church I visited trying to make another attempt for a decent independent turned out not to be. This one was so bad, I walked out mid-service. Masonic symbols in the stained glass etc. It was rural but that didn't mean true.

I have noticed the many people in American society who do not want anything unpleasant to puncture their bubble. As I have written before most of the country seems under a spell, refusing to face reality about the economy and other growing dangers, physical and spiritual, and this is related to the "never think about anything negative" rule that has become very intact via the New Age and positivity movement. It definitely has been a way to keep people under delusion. The churches are bad about this too, they tell people don't be negative, don't cause strife, focus on your own life not bible prophecy, and also tell us to trust in politicians and worldly powers.

I will write you soon. Sometimes I have written for a long time with someone and then been able to make contact but I have to be very careful. I hope you understand. God bless you Lynn :)

Bible Believer said...

HI Kayfabe, I am glad you have your home fellowship. Yes with the Calvaryites, they will cut you off. I lost several friends leaving the Calvary Chapel church I visited for a few months. I know with one family where I ran into their very kind daughters--actually being brought up under the SAHD stuff, they see me as the lost wayward one for exiting out of church. I did warn these folks about Calvary Chapel and told the wife at least why I left directly. It can be very tough. That friend I have not seen in 3 years. There was that attempt to have me come back, but obviously I gave a firm NO. Yes even going to their bible studies there will be no discernment. I have been down that road long enough visiting bible studies at other churches even, one in my old town, where I seemed to upset and offend with the most smallest matter and these were more "conservative" older ladies. There was one friend who wanted me to join her Lutheran bible study with Lutheran pastors, I can see how that would have gone down once I told them they had kept the traditions of Rome and were following an idol in their communion wafers and held to false traditions. That's one thing when a Christian who loves truth is around those who do not, you are not comfortable. Even if everyone stays polite and doesn't hustle you out of the room, the gritted teeth, odd looks, and statements of "you are taking this too far" abound.

Did you see that Numerology article I did. That is a non-biblical genealogical thing to quibble about, asking what date Jesus was born. Course then I state this, Jesus is God, and in that an eternal being, so why do they consider the date of His coming to earth so much of importance, it reminds me of the birthday fever that exists under the false Christmas celebrations. Some are following the example of their false teachers, the numerologist crowd.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2013/09/so-called-christian-ministers.html

Yes the celebrities have them all fooled. Yes I am sickened watching Christians praise the Pope. They are soft-selling the Vatican now with that Jesuit with the "pleasant face" on the surface saying nice liberal things. Nope right now with the Catholic church, all who reject it as the harlot, are the outliners to the apostate church world. Even for the friend in the Lutheran church who considers the Pope antichrist, the pastor there taught that many Catholics are going to heaven. I told her directly, NO WAY. A very rare one gets saved and disobeys the Holy Spirit due to family pressures but are sickened sitting there, as for the most, they follow a false gospel and take an idol, and are definitely NOT SAVED.

Yes even one like-minded brethern is a huge blessing, I agree. I am blessed to have fellow Christians like yourself too Kayfabe to talk to here. You all encourage me as well.

Bible Believer said...

Hi Faith Guy.

#1 you write, I have had pastors on the phone react with hostility when I have told them I left the Catholic church and asked what their views were of Rome being the harlot. In person telling church folks Rick Warren is false or the rest, they are not happy. I have heard why do you judge them? Or been told I am mean to Catholics and the Pope for saying they will go to hell. Sometimes there are mutual people we know who are Catholics and one person will say to me ***** is such a nice person how could you believe they are going to hell. Then I usually say we need to give them the truth then. Yes one can quote scripture and then the ears will be closed. I remember my days just so you know when I was a Christinaity rejecter and the attitudes I had, though in my case, I used to go debate these born again Christians and befriended them all in college so definitely was looking for the truth. In my case, I would ask the folks to SHOW ME, and not tell them to stop. I suppose this is one aspect of truth-denial that bugs me, all the willful shutting of the eyes. I have tried to show Catholics pictorial evidence of their Pope hobnobbing with other religions, and they do not even want to look.

With Warren's son committing suicide, no one wants to be unsympathetic to parents in grief, but one can ask how did it get to that point? If the son was that mentally ill maybe Warren should have paid more attention to him rather then running about the world on his save the world circuit. I was digusted how Warren used it all for a gun control agenda, which I found disrespectful to his son's memory. Seeing this made me sick.

http://www.infowars.com/rick-warren-forgives-gun-seller-for-sons-suicide/

Yes one won't see Warren question any of the rest of it.

I agree about the lording over pastors. To be frank, I couldn't be in churches where the one man show ruled, and many were so arrogant, and putting themselves above other men. They want control and power. Yes many of the churches will teach, the Pastor is speaking for God, as if every single sermon comes out of the mouth of the Holy Spirit, it simply does not work that way, and this is blasphemous.

Bible Believer said...

continuing...

they turn the church [their man-made organization] into the center of one's religious life instead of God. So yes, here they will tell you that you are sinning if you do not go to church. I was familiar enough with the guilt show and being told I was committing a "mortal-sin" while Catholic for not being in a pew every Sunday.

Most have idea how the devil operates, the whole angel of light thing escapes them.

With these pastors too, they don't even recognize Gods true Word in English {KJV} and I am expected them to lead me? I knew within 2 weeks of leaving the Catholic church to go purchase a KJV, what did I know of Bible versions? [Yes I compared many and knew]

I'm glad you walked out of the heavy metal concert. I walked out of many visited churches because of the bad music assaulting my ear drums. Always loud, and "heavy" and some it had to do with the songs being repetitive, singing the same line 20 times over. Sorry to hear about those indifferent people. Those are probably people trained to sit there and take what they are given. Yes Sunday School, the parents barely know who is teaching it, and what they are teaching.

The phony discernment ministries just help keep the blindfolds tied on tighter. They emphasize SAFE topics that are no threat to the wolves in the pulpits. Warning about Emergent nonsense, while behind the scenes they probably are keeping company with National Policy members and various Knights of Malta pals.

Nope one sees what is missing in all of them and what they ignore. Mix in a few "light" truths to fool the people in the pews, and then bring in many lies. Yes they keep people in the false church system.

----" there's ALOT of brainwashing, manipulation, intimidation, and fearmongering going on within these "church" walls. "----

That's for sure!

I am happy you found and heard the true gospel. These churches more and more are only teaching variations on Rome's interpretation. Work-based, clergy-based, church organization-based, "phony salvation".


Bible Believer said...

Yes there is endless phony groups anon, a ditch of every flavor, that is what I say about them all. LOL like the phrase "the most covetous day of the year" that says it all. It is getting worse year by year too.

Bible Believer said...

With Duck Dynasty, looks like they are doing more of the obessession with homosexuality thing...

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2012/05/homosexual-hegelian-dialectic-and.html

This kind of news story will only help silence Christians about homosexuality.

I see these folks as insiders, I was trying to find the photo again, but he had his arms crossed in the X and his feet in a certain position if you get what I mean.

The false cult of 'church of christ' another deception. Yes no one will tell anyone these men follow a false gospel in a false church.

I read his comments in the magazine, he is engaging in filthy talk too, getting into nitty-gritty details of homosexual sex.

FaithGuy3 said...

Pretty much all of these reality shows(and everything you see on tv for that matter) are scripted and puppet shows.

If these Duck Dynasty people were really true Christians, they would be suffering persecution, instead of MERELY being asked to take a hike. And for that matter too, their products are sold at almost every store now(including my local grocery store).

IOW, they're no more different than these "religious right" folks - playing good cop so that they can act like friends to the Churchianity world, and then when things go "wrong" like this, they end up stirring everyone's emotions and making Christians look bad.

FaithGuy3 said...

As for the mental illness issue - will say this - it has spiked in recent years b/c of forced vaccinations, MSG/Aspertame poisoning in foods, processed foods like with these fast food restaurants like McDonalds and Wendys(which were started by Freemasons), fluoride in the water, aluminum in cookware, etc, etc.

And Dr. Mercola interviewed a woman doctor a couple of years ago whose son has autism, and she elaborated how the gut flora in a woman's body during pregnancy can play a big part too.

No, no one is "born" with mental illnesses - which not only has been a big lie, but also has been used to get everyone to shake their fists at God. Which was why when Warren has gone on and on for months how "mental illness took his son", he really sounds like he's doing just that, shaking his fists bitterly at God(and encouraging his flock to do so).

Steve said...

One of the best reasons to warm about the NWO is because corporate church doesn't talk about it.

IMO, that should throw up HUGE warning signals as well. Why is the church silent on satan's ownership of the world?

You reference satan taking Jesus onto the mountaintop and church members treat it like fiction or "in the past".

satan is still very much in control of the world's resources and running the show here.

Steve said...

BB said: "None of the pastors discern anything either and I have thought to myself why attend a church where, the guy doesn't even get the basics about Billy Graham or even knows that the Catholic church is the harlot. That is the majority of them."

It isn't that they don't discern...I used to think it was that too. It's that they CAN'T discern.

Most popular pastors are Jesuits & freemasons...they make pacts to not hurt 'other brothers' in their fraternities.

Think of it as a subtle forced servitude to satan. Why won't they discern? Because they can't and have no desire to.

Anonymous said...

Thank you BB for responding to my comments as no. 1 Anon. I like to read your reponses to the other bloggers as well and noted that you took on Duck Dynasty. I go to the Christian book store quite a bit to pick up cards for sick etc. and Duck Dynasty is all over the place as well as Billy Graham, Joel Olsteen, Rick Warren, Beth Moore, Francis Chan, John MacArthur, etc. etc. It is like a mine field. One must be ever so discerning in so called Christian places. Also, back when The Passion movie came out I couldn't believe how church groups fell into that and just recently the tv production of the Bible. I heard no criticism of those shows. When my son-in-law said well maybe it would make someone read their bibles I said I don't believe that God uses untruth to teach truth. I think it is wise to avoid anything on TV about the bible or Jesus Christ or Christianity for that matter. It is interesting to note that so many of the so-called conservative news journalists on Fox are Catholics so why would I believe anything any of them would say?
The Holy Spirit will make us wise and discerning if we just seek Him and try to follow Him.
I just shake my head when a good friend comments on how wonderful Billy Graham is and he is another one that has passed on his false ministry to his children. 40 years ago when we went to his Crusade I thought it was a big show. The comment after was a revival thousands of miles long and an inch deep. I don't even think you could call those days revival. We certainly didn't see much true spiritual fruit. I think back now about those SBC churches we were in and how shallow they were. And it certainly seems that the shallowness continues on in most organized churches. My daughter who goes to the mega church is pretty discerning and says she goes because her husband needs to hear the word and her grown daughters need to be in chuch, but she knows the word there is pretty shallow. And you are right about how they use some truth and then much falseness to make it have an appearance of truth. God's word says in the OT that My people perish for lack of knowledge and I feel that is happening in our nation more and more. We are also told that in the end days there will be a great falling away. I believe we are witnessing that in these days. Jesus said, though, when we see these things happening look up our salvation draweth nigh. So let us who love Him with all our hearts, soul and might continue to look for Him and know that our God is so good! Glory and Honor unto Him!
BB keep on exposing the deceivers and let God's light shine forth. Blessings in Him.
P.S. My granddaughters went to the Passion event in Atlanta last year and I was able to stream much of that event and was sickened with the rock and roll so called muscians there that looked like street people and the way they had the young people jumping up and down. Such a display of the flesh and all this huge event that brought in millions of dollars by these so called Christian leaders, Louis Giglio and the speakers from the mega churches, Francis Chang among them and the big push was to have the kids give a million dollars to help the modern day slavery movement. Abolition is the new push of these churches. It was all appaling and done in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Maybe sometime you could address this outfit. I am thankful my granddaughters will not be going this year.

Anonymous said...

"With these pastors too, they don't even recognize Gods true Word in English {KJV} and I am expected them to lead me? I knew within 2 weeks of leaving the Catholic church to go purchase a KJV, what did I know of Bible versions? [Yes I compared many and knew]"

The same thing happened to me. I didn't know anything about the Bible version issue, but ended up with (by God's doing) the KJV. And if a "pastor" can't find out what is even the Word of God, what else will they be wrong about? Lots.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I believe "Duck Dynasty" to be insiders, they are agent provocateurs. They are there to make true Christians look stupid.

There is one of their followers on my Facebook "friends" list who has posted about 30 pictures of those guys today, with lines like "I am against gayness" and that sort of thing.

It gets Christians away from the Good News (which gays need) and to this ridiculous "Christian nation" nonsense again.

The "Duck Dynasty" crowd is in a false church with a false gospel, and now they are clearly agent provocateurs.

Jennifer R said...

Hi My name is Jen. I have a question about number 3.a., What does Revelations 17 have to do with not being able to find a truth telling church? can you please point it out to me? I'm just curious :)

Thanks- Jen

FaithGuy3 said...

Steve said...

"Most popular pastors are Jesuits & freemasons...they make pacts to not hurt 'other brothers' in their fraternities."

Not all church buildings pastors are Jesuits and Freemasons, however, I believe at least 90% of them are.

For one, it takes a lot of $$ to run a church building - ultimately, very little of these church budgets go to benevolence(ie-the poor and needy in the pews). They go to salaries, overhead, "missions", video and tech equipment, the list goes on. From my experiences, these church budgets end up running in the 6 figures, even for medium-sized ones, and that's ALOT! Ultimately, it's like running a business.

So yeah, to get to this high level of running these buildings, these "pastors" have to sell themselves out(even more so than compromising).

FaithGuy3 said...

BB - I believe it was in Randall Baer's "Inside the New Age Nightmare"(Baer was a former prominent New Ager who got saved later in his life) where he talked about how a lot of money that's coming from these "feed the poor" et al organizations are going to some centralized resource fund bank that's runned by high level prominent New Agers.

Pt being that it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the money the modern-day church is being duped into giving to these overseas "missionaries" could very well go into other sinister hands. I've heard of missions group(supposedly) going to North Korea - seriously, this is not just a 3rd world country, but a communist dictatorship to the core. HOW is ANY money going to make its way there??

Not that I endorse Fritz Springmeier, but he detailed how money coming in and out of these "churches" are changes hands with Freemasonic organizations.

Ultimately, Rev 13:16 prophesizes in the future how those who want to buy and sell need to take the mark(and worship the AC, of course). I'm just thinking out loud here, but it wouldn't surprise me that if there is indeed this centralized resource fund bank runned by the New Age Movement et al(that Baer talked about), and wouldn't surprise me when all is said and done it will be "re-distributed" to everyone who takes the mark and worships the AC.

BTW - excellent testimonies, everyone - just imagine how Jeremiah felt. Noone listened to him, no matter how many warnings he gave to them via the Lord.

FaithGuy3 said...

Jennifer R,

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Anonymous said...

"I like to read your reponses to the other bloggers as well and noted that you took on Duck Dynasty. I go to the Christian book store quite a bit to pick up cards for sick etc. and Duck Dynasty is all over the place as well as Billy Graham, Joel Olsteen, Rick Warren, Beth Moore, Francis Chan, John MacArthur, etc. etc. It is like a mine field"

A MINE FIELD. That is a great way to describe "Christian" bookstores. I won't go in any, anymore. I know I'll see the "Duck Dynasty" false gospel that leads to hell being promoted everywhere, and I'll just want to walk out immediately.

I used to work in a Family Christian Stores, location. And I remember the LIFE SIZE displays right at the front of the store. You had Joel Osteen (universalist false teacher), Drew Brees (who had just won the Super Bowl but never made any confession of Jesus Christ being the only way to heaven, and so his book was about some nonsense of "believing you can achieve"), and George Bush Jr. (who said that all religions worship the same deity).

Now that is right at the front of the store. And let me tell you, they were MAKING MONEY BIGTIME.

Not to mention the "catholic" section of the store where they sold statues, rosaries, and the catholic "bible" that has too many books to be a real Bible.

Within His Word said...

"North Korea - seriously, this is not just a 3rd world country, but a communist dictatorship to the core. HOW is ANY money going to make its way there??"

Billy Graham some years ago went right into North Korea, no problem. And he went in with a message from the pope, as the testimony went.

Now if you could have even five minutes with anyone from North Korea, would you bring a message from the pope?

They're all fakes.

Jeremiah 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

Anonymous said...

I remember when I first became a Christian (over 20 years ago) that experience of such amazing joy. Even from the start I could not spend much time in any church,it just never felt right, I had a solid bible study group where I grew and learned about the Lord. In this sense I do not miss church, I do miss fellowhip, internet fellowship while very helpful is not really the same. Churchianity causes me much grief, so hard to understand why they cannot discern, I agree it is the very church system itself that keeps them blind, I finally came to that realization a little while a go.

It is a very lonely life on so many levels. It also very difficult to be surrounded by so much evil, and yet knowing that there but for the grace of God go I.

Sometimes I feel like God has forsaken me, yet I know he hasn't. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and point out all the wrongness with churches and with the general public blindness. Each time you will be attacked, very rare does anyone say tell me more. Even the most obvious lies are accepted, like one pastor on It's Supernatural with Sid Roth stating he went to heaven and spent time with God, when I pointed out scripture refuting such an event the person stated I was putting God in a box and that we can have the wrong understanding. I was shocked.

There are times I really want to stick my head in the sand, however I have also learned once you are no longer blind and understand what God has revealed you can never go back. I wish there could be more joy though, it seems like mostly sorrow now.

All this takes a toll on us. I wish there were a way to congregate, however it seems we are very few and spread out across the globe.

Thank you BB for your willingness to be used by God and writing this blog which I am sure takes its toll as well.
Lina

Jennifer R said...

I'm sorry I wanted you to point out in the chapter where it has to do with not being able to find a truth telling church. Thanks!

Jennifer R said...

Oh and explain how it specifically has to do with that chapter. This is for my own knowledge. -Jen

FaithGuy3 said...

Looks like they're following the same script the "religious right" did for many, many years on these "hot button" 'social' issues with this Duck Dynasty charade...

EXCLUSIVE: Duck Dynasty's multi-million payday: Their $400m empire flourishes amid scandal as fans flock to support Phil Robertson - and Walmart sells out of show merchandise

MailOnline can reveal a show publicist did accompany Phil Robertson to interview - but was NOT there when made his damning homophobic comments to GQ magazine

Robertson family are sticking by patriach Phil - and are refusing to film TV hit without him

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2527204/Duck-Dynastys-multi-million-payday-Their-400m-empire-flourishes-amid-scandal-fans-flock-support-Phil-Robertson-Walmart-sells-merchandise.html#ixzz2o3RnisT1



http://tv.yahoo.com/news/duck-dynasty-fallout-glaad-reeling-biggest-backlash-years-010050637.html

Excerpt:

“In the five-and-a-half years I’ve worked at GLAAD, I’ve never received so many violently angry phone calls and social media posts attacking GLAAD for us speaking out against these comments,” the media watchdog organization’s vice president of communications Rich Ferraro told TheWrap.

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Robertson’s supporters have started petitions, called for boycotts and include Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity and Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal. Currently, more than 70,000 people have signed the online petition asking A&E to drop the suspension.


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So for one - the "outspoken" leaders against GLAAD et al were Sean Hannity, Bobby Jindal, and SARAH PALIN? Couldn't they have at least done better than these 3 clowns?

Two - Look at the rhetoric they're putting out..."We're winning against the enemy...". The "religious right"/"moral majority" did this for many, many years(ie-when George W. Bush and Republicans would get big election victories). Has America "gotten better" since? Nope, not even close.

Three - So DD's "empire" flourishing financially like this after this charade means Christians have "won"?

Seriously - aren't there much more bigger issues than Duck Dynasty? How about defending the King James Bible? How about getting church buildings to get rid of their 501c3 statuses? How about exposing xmas, Ishtar, and other pagan holidays? But somehow Churchianity has to make a really big deal out of Duck Dynasty?

And all this while they're IGNORING the brethren in the ME and Africa that are getting persecuted for taking a stand for their faith? WHERE is Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, Sean Hannity, and the MSM taking a stand for THEM?

No wonder why the modern-day church system is a laughing stock right now. And remember the Ted Haggard scandal in 2006 just weeks before the midterm elections - what the "religious right" did over the long haul ended up angering the heathen world quite a big with this scandal.

KJVmom said...

Thanks so much, Bible Believer, for this blog. It's such a blessing to see other Christians who are aware of what's going on. I sometimes feel I too stand alone at times. And lately I've had so many challenges My son told me that he can't understand the KJV, and he attends a fellowship that is predominantly young people, has a lot of fun and games, and uses a shallow hymnal. My own fellowship is now allowed to use the NKJV in services, although more would prefer the NIV; however, we might be getting a new hymnal that's of excellent quality. I admit that even with all the good points of my fellowship, I still stand out on many things. I certainly don't fit in with the "Christian" culture prevalent in the USA, nor do I completely fit in with the Mennonite culture of my fellowship. I do prefer to be known as a Bible-believing Christian rather than a Mennonite. I also have an unbelieving husband and most of my relatives aren't Christian, either. I can thank Jesus for having like-minded believers here.
About Christmas, I'm between a rock and a hard place. My husband celebrates it, along with a tree; my fellowship does, although there are no decorations in the building, and trees and Santa aren't allowed at all; I've tried to taper off some this year-not easy. Much of the holiday does disgust me, yet I've wondered what would my witness to my husband be if I stopped celebrating? Of course he would go on; my children do too, even the 2 oldest who so willingly gave up Halloween in my early Christian days. I have also given up Valentine's day. Let's all pray for each other God bless!

FaithGuy3 said...

Surprise!

President Obama 'Loves' 'Duck Dynasty'
http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/12/20/president-obama-loves-duck-dynasty

From Christian Broadcasting Network – they had the guests of Duck Dynasty (Willie and Korie Robertson) at WH Correspondent’s dinner. Willie Robertson relayed a convo with a CBN reporter after he says he spoke with POTUS:

"He said he loves the show and watches it on Air Force One," Willie said.

"I know the Obama's are very particular about what they let their girls watch on TV so if our show is one they find acceptable, that's really great!" Korie said.

After the couple took their seats Korie replaced Willie's cufflinks with the pair he had just received from the commander in chief.

--
President Obama watches "Duck Dynasty"

At the last White House Correspondents' Association Dinner I was walking towards the ballroom with my guests, Duck Dynasty's Willie and Korie Robertson, when a man dressed in a black suit approached them.

"I'm with the White House and I need you to come with me," he said. Willie and Korie obeyed and quickly disappeared, beard and all, into the crowd.

Some 45 minutes later the two reappeared at CBN's table grinning from ear to ear.

The man in the black suit had whisked them away to President Obama's private pre-dinner reception.

Within His Word said...

"Seriously - aren't there much more bigger issues than Duck Dynasty? How about defending the King James Bible? How about getting church buildings to get rid of their 501c3 statuses? How about exposing xmas, Ishtar, and other pagan holidays? But somehow Churchianity has to make a really big deal out of Duck Dynasty?"

Very good point. And you're right.

But they said that Duck Dynasty is funny and entertaining, so all of those things, don't matter. Apparently.

I've never seen the show, but it doesn't sound like something I'd like anyway.

Within His Word said...

"Seriously - aren't there much more bigger issues than Duck Dynasty? How about defending the King James Bible? How about getting church buildings to get rid of their 501c3 statuses? How about exposing xmas, Ishtar, and other pagan holidays? But somehow Churchianity has to make a really big deal out of Duck Dynasty?"

Very good point. And you're right.

But they said that Duck Dynasty is funny and entertaining, so all of those things, don't matter. Apparently.

I've never seen the show, but it doesn't sound like something I'd like anyway.

Ruth said...

All I could think of while reading your post was Romans 11.

We have been out of the church for approximately 13 yrs.
There have been times of deep loneliness, but I had websites and bloggers like you that kept me going. Romans 11 inspired and gave me faith to go on knowing that there were others who felt alone. But, scripture tells us otherwise.

I feel we need to feel the loneliness and learn to draw from The Lord as someday we may be really alone due to persecution. We need to build spiritual strength so that we can face those hard times. This is a test I believe.

Anonymous said...

Hi,

My answer to question C. "Why do you think you know more then those who have studied theology and actually know Greek and Hebrew?"

They are lairs and fakers they do not actually know Greek and Hebrew.
I had a few run ins with people acting as if they were Greek scholars because they went to such and such seminary and had such and such degree.
Pastors/Preachers whatever you want to call them use their so called credentials as a weapon to attempt to intimated people into not questioning their authority, knowledge or understanding.

I did some research and found that people going to seminary are barely getting a beginners understanding of Greek and Hebrew. I posted the stuff I found in a forum I frequent.
From-- thebiblicalworld.blogspot.com/2010/10/should-seminary-students-learn-greek.html

This blog is a blog by John Byron.He is the Associate Professor of New Testament at Ashland Theological Seminary.I do not fully know his beliefs.I am quoting him for his experience being a teacher of Greek at Ashland Theological Seminary.

Dr Byron writes,

Quote: It is the beginning of term at Ashland and although I am not teaching Greek this year I am still hearing the question, why do I need to learn Greek or Hebrew?

Over the years I have swung between the extremes. On the one hand, I have mounted a vigorous defense of biblical languages in a seminary curriculum. On the other, I have privately wished that the only students in my Greek class were the ones that chose to be there.

Byron continues,

Quote:"The modern pastor is very busy and is more of a general practitioner than a specialist. Working with languages takes time. Although we teach students Greek and Hebrew few have the time week in and week out to put in the kind of effort required to translate the chosen passage for the Sunday sermon."

"One problem that I have often observed is that studetns are often better in one language than the other. Someimtes this depends on which language they took first. A student who takes Hebrew first may experience language fatigue when it comes time to take Greek next year. It is not uncommon for a student to leave seminary with more competence in one of the two languages. Rarley do they return to studying languages after seminary to improve the one in which they are deficient."

The teachers that are teaching are confessing to not being as well versed in the languages as they should be.

Anonymous said...

Continued...

Quote:I also wonder about what we as professors require versus what we actually practice. I am aware of many a New Testament scholar who would defend the need for students to learn Hebrew, but cannot read it themselves. I am bothered when we insist that our students be able to do something that we cannot. For the record, I have kept up on my Hebrew, but only after I was personally convicted by the above type of situation. I realized my Hebrew was slipping and concluded that if I wanted my students to read Hebrew I had better be able to read it too.

Dr Byron also states that a lot of seminaries are starting to drop the language requirements all together.

Quote:Added to all of this is the fact that many seminaries are dropping the language requirements. It is possible to get an MDiv without any Greek or Hebrew. And these courses are not being replaced with more Bible. This strategy is being used to shorten the total hours required to earn the degree. Students take 4-6 less classes and spend less money.


I particularly like the honesty of the comments on this blog posting.
thebiblicalworld.blogspot.com/2010/10/more-on-greek-and-hebrew-pastors-why.html


Here one Pastor comments,

Quote:"while I earned good grades in both languages in seminary, I finished my course work in neither language with a good working knowledge that would allow me to open the manuscript and read with some confidence in understanding most of what I read."

"I have one more observation. Languages are generally (or at least they used to be) at the beginning of the seminary process. When they are finished, there is a pretty big sigh, "I'm glad that's over" with no real expectation that we will use this knowledge in the rest of our classes. I took the 4 year plan for the M.Div. and by the time I was finished, I had already lost enough of the languages to make it very difficult to continue on my own."


Dr Michael Duduit is the founding dean of the College of Christian Studies at Anderson University.

I do not know what Dr Duduit's beliefs are my reason for quoting him is his expertise and solely for that purpose.

From ministryu.org/is-expertise-in-biblical-greek-essential-for-pastors/ *


Dr Duduit says,

Quote:The average seminary still requires 6 to 12 hours of courses in the biblical languages. They spend hours teaching future pastors to take the Hebrew or Greek text and do their own translations. But the dirty little secret is that for the vast majority of pastors, the last time they do an original translation is their final exam in a seminary class


Quote:As a demonstration of our own support for the study of biblical languages, in the College of Christian Studies at Anderson University we offer six hours each in Greek and Hebrew at the undergraduate level. We want our students to have an introduction to the biblical languages, even though we know most will not become experts; knowing something is better than knowing nothing. Because these students are younger and are in the early stages of their preparation, it’s appropriate for them to gain some basic proficiency in working with Greek and Hebrew for personal study and preaching.

Anonymous said...

Dr Justin T. Alfred who taught Greek for Fuller says on his site, wordinlife.com:

Quote:After teaching Greek and Hebrew for Fuller Theological Seminary’s extension school in Colorado Springs for ten years, I came to realize that for the vast majority of busy pastors and lay people, there is very little time available for the necessary hours to learn the complete grammars of Greek and Hebrew on a seminary or Bible college level.

He goes on to say

Quote:Many pastors are able to read and pronounce some Greek and Hebrew words, and they have some familiarity with the various tenses in Greek and Hebrew. However, they do not understand how those tenses and nuances actually impact the interpretation and bring to life the Living and Abiding Word of God! Please understand, however, that apart from the Holy Spirit bringing life to God’s Word, no amount of Greek and Hebrew will help ANYBODY!"

Anonymous said...

Continued..

From Daniel R. Streett
Associate Professor of Greek and New Testament
Criswell College, Dallas, Texas.
Blog here-- danielstreett.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/greek-immersion-in-the-seminary-curriculumwhats-needed-to-make-it-work-basics-of-greek-pedagogy-pt-7/

Dr Streett in his blog compares other colleges language courses to the Greek courses taught at seminaries.
I will be quoting a bunch from his blog because I think it is important,again I do not know Dr Streett's beliefs he is being quoted for his expertise as a professor and teacher of Greek.

Quote:"What’s Normal?
First, I think we need a clear idea of what’s normal in language learning situations. So, let’s look at a few examples of how modern languages are approached at American universities. Let’s begin with UC-Berkeley’s German program. If you choose to major in German at Berkeley, here’s what’s expected:

German 1, 2, 3, and 4 (20 credit-hours). That’s four, count ‘em, four, basic German courses. So that’s four semesters or two years of basic German. These courses meet 5 days a week, an hour a day. The first two semesters focus on establishing “communicative competence,” in all four skills while the last two continue to develop these skills through study of German history and culture—auf Deutsch natürlich! And, would you believe me if I told you that all four courses (20 credit-hours altogether) are prerequisites to the major? That means they don’t actually count toward the credits you need for your major!
Three Upper Division Core Courses (9 hrs). So, this is where the major actually begins, once your prereqs are out of the way. These courses are all taught completely in German and include a course in German cultural history, an intro to German linguistics, and a course in advanced German composition and style. Notice that linguistics and style are taught in German, and therefore only after the student has acquired basic proficiency in the language itself.
Three More Upper Division Courses (9 hrs). These are all taught in German and use texts exclusively in German.
Four More Upper Division Courses (12 hrs). These are literature/culture/history courses taught in English (which makes it feasible for non-German majors, e.g. history or sociology or politics majors, to take them). However, German majors are encouraged to replace two of these courses by spending their junior year abroad in Germany, after completing German 1,2,3 and 4. What’s interesting is that even after you’ve completed German 1-4, you are still required to take an additional intensive language program from July to October before you can actually take classes alongside German students.

So, to summarize, UC-Berkeley expects its majors to do 50 hours of coursework (all in German except for 6hrs) and ideally, spend three months in Germany taking an intensive language course, followed by two semesters of courses at a German university. Stateside, you would have around 600hrs of in-class German exposure, followed by three months of focused immersion (around 300-400 hours) and two semesters of general immersion at a very high level. If you don’t come out of all that fluent in German, then you’s jist plane stoopid!

Anonymous said...

He continues on now to compare the Greek offered in seminaries.

Quote:And Greek?

In an upcoming post, I’ll compare some of the syllabi and textbooks from modern language programs with those from typical Biblical/Classical Greek courses. For now, I just want to force us to grapple with how utterly lightweight our Greek programs are.

For example, Southern Seminary, a pretty rigorous program, requires M.Div. students to do 3hrs of Elementary Greek, 3hrs of Greek Syntax, and 6hrs of Greek exegesis electives (book studies). That’s only 12 hrs of Greek in a three-year program! German majors get almost that much in their first year!


Fuller Seminary, one of the largest in the nation, requires its M.Div. students to take a year of basic Greek (3 quarters) and then one course in exegetical method (basically a hermeneutics course that incorporates Hebrew and Greek), and one course in NT Exegesis. Remember, they’re on the quarter system, so a course lasts only 10 weeks.

These schools aren’t exceptions. The typical Greek program is: Greek I and II (3 hours each), followed by (if you’re in a “rigorous” program) Intermediate Greek (3 hours; one semester, maybe two?). While beginning classes focus on morphology, vocabulary and grammar, the intermediate classes usually focus on grammar and syntax. As a result, much of the vocabulary “acquired” in the first year will be lost.


After intermediate Greek, you might have an advanced Greek course of 3hrs (usually an elective, only for the very serious students) that deals with historical linguistics and more technical issues like lexical semantics, verbal aspect, discourse analysis, etc. Then, you have some exegetical courses, which make use of the grammar and syntax you’ve been taught. Of course, none of these courses provide an immersive environment. None of the class will be conducted in Greek and the overall amount of Greek reading that you’ll actually do is probably less than a hundred pages over 3 years.

So, you have maybe 12-21 hours of Greek over three years, none of which is immersive and none of which produces—or even aims for—communicative proficiency. By the end of 3 years, you’ll still just be talking about Greek. If you go on for a PhD in NT, it’s more of the same, and you’ll end up having had 6 years or more of Greek, even teaching Greek, and not be able to count to ten in the language, much less carry on a one-minute conversation. Source: personal experience, sadly. :( "

So you see I could go on but the fact is these people do NOT know Greek. Even the professors teaching them confess that they are learning the languages but they come out of the seminaries thinking they are Greek scholars when they are not.

Please feel free to use the links I provided to look into this matter yourself and if led to make a blog post about the issue.
Body of Christ, don't let these people intimidated you. Don't be afraid to speak up and question them. They hide behind their "credentials". They are deceivers.



FaithGuy3 said...

Ruth - I agree 100% - I would rather be alone in the wilderness or some lonely farm road with my King James Bible in my hand and nothing else(even if it means to starve and having no other human being to talk to)...

Rather than being in some Babel church building with a crowd of false brethren, a pastor preaching out of an NIV, loud rock music being put out, etc where a lot this can really deceive and defile you(no, you won't lose your salvation, but the flesh IS weak and you can learn a lot of bad habits being exposed to this).

Yes, it is hard, but nonetheless our Lord Jesus Christ is long merciful(as his mercy endureth forever). Bottom line - we are saved, and He will keep us from evil. This is the big point the modern-day church system just misses completely(as they think their "church" building and God-anointed pastor have somehow protected them from evil).

Bible Believer said...

So the Duck people praised pro-homosexuality Obama? Well all these folks praise the powers that be don't they?

Faith Guy you are right they are following the typical religious right script. Homosexuality shoved in our faces day and night. You'd never see some guy on TV saying Christmas is pagan, or telling the heterosexuals not to have sex out of wedlock.

Bible Believer said...

I agree about the Greek and Hebrew studies in seminary. Really it's just more time wasting to go along with all the vain philosophy and globalism 101 studies they have. They really are not immersed into Greek and Hebrew the same way a normal language major is. I am sure I can speak or read more Spanish from 4 years of it in high school, then a seminary student can speak or write of Hebrew or Greek. Given that it doesn't help them with their discernment or even recognizing God's true word via the Holy Spirit, frankly it is just more busy work but thanks for sharing the information anon, I found it very interesting.

Bible Believer said...

Ruth, I believe it's a test too. How could I sit in a church that preaches things that I write against on this blog? I'd be a hypocrite then. I used to visit a few churches and think what would that pastor think of Galatians 4 blog? He'd probably hustle me out the door and be horrified. 13 years is longer then me. Yes it can be some deep loneliness. Maybe I was being tested in a way even to write this blog since I have no Christian family members etc. I truly was set apart. I would visit churches and think oh here I could have so many friends, but God would tell me you must leave and I had to obey. The feelings one gets in a false church are too horrible, it will interfere with your prayer life and relationship with God to sit there and imbide of falsehoods silently. There were times I wanted to cry, thinking how can they be so blind? This is a matter I pray on all the time. God's Word keeps me going and finding like-minded Christians online too. The remnant, the underground real "church". There are some saved people still needing to come out of the church system but I would grant they are facing things now as the churches worsen. I have had to turn to God for many things, and yes the persecution is there, perhaps God is readying us in increments. Loneliness today, perhaps being tested one day where one could lose everyone and everything for Jesus Christ. Some of us, that division that Jesus speaks of that will come within families, has already happened. I was kept away from some children [nieces and nephews] in the family merely because some members saw my Christian faith as something I could "infect them" with. I do think some of my experiences God has used for good to even have this blog be possible. I am praying we all have strength to face hard times.

Bible Believer said...

FaithGuy3, I agree. I would rather be alone then in one of those bad churches. I often felt ill when visiting the false ones, trust me you want to run right out of there. Too many trust in their church to "save" them instead of having a relationship with Jesus Christ and having the Holy Spirit teach them instead of false wolf in the pulpit.

Within His Word said...

"You'd never see some guy on TV saying Christmas is pagan, or telling the heterosexuals not to have sex out of wedlock."

Of saying that catholicism is a false religion with a false gospel that cannot save. That is my litmus test. Anyone can go on TV and make grotesque comments about homosexuality vs heterosexuality. Anyone can say homosexuality is a sin.

But get one of them to say that cahtolicism is a false gospel. They'll never do that. They work for Rome.

Kimberly Phillips said...

It's so nice to find people who have had the same experiences I had with organized religion, the feel good preachers and all the nonsense that goes with it. I was born a catholic but was baptized in a Baptist church. I have searched from church to church trying to find a biblically based church.
At least I don't feel so weird or out of place with my opinions here. They seem to be much in alignment with mine.
Thank you!

Bible Believer said...

WithinHisWord. I am curious is there one IFB in America that DOES NOT celebrate Christmas? That is one point I saw across the board where there seems to be little deviation. I found myself thinking I saw Jer 10 two years after being born again and was convicted and none of these pastors have been?

Nope they will never bring up the Catholic church, the giant elephant in the living room. Homosexuality is a safe cultural warrior issue they go running to time and time again.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks Kimberly, I hope you have seen some of my other articles writing about being a scattered sheep and my experiences with visiting churches. I am glad you are like-minded, it helps us feel less alone doesn't it?

Anonymous said...

From Roy, Can two walk together, less they be agreed? NO! That is why you & I & all born again believers walk with Jesus Christ alone. For, He is our Friend that sticketh closer than a brother. We can only fellowship under a true shepherd of the Lord Jesus. The Lord Himself warned of the many wolves in sheep's clothing. We only hear the voice of the Lord Jesus Christ & will NOT submit ourselves unto other voices. Deception and infiltration of Satan's servants/tares are everywhere & have been there since before we were born & born again. Even during the Lord's time & before that. We cannot go into any church just to be around other warm bodies which are spiritually dead. Have peace in your discerning, for it is a gift of GOD in the Holy Spirit unto the possessing of our Souls. As the world around us unravels, the Lord will keep us in perfect peace as our minds are stayed on Him. GOD Bless all who read and practice the Lord's commands. - Love GOD & Love ye one another/the brethren/those truly born again & Love our neighbor as ourselves. Instant in prayer & praying for the Body of Christ & others to truly submit unto the Will of GOD to repent of their sins and be born again. But, exposing all liars, false brethren, spiritual sorcerers/popes,jesuits, bishops, cardinals, monks, nuns, pastors, "apostles", "rabbis", and judging ALL who claim to be Christ's redeemed to see if they really are redeemed. I was born again in December 2013, stopped attending a Baptist church after 6 months when they started instructing the Sunday school in Rick Warren. It was an elderly class & I think I was, for most of that time, the youngest at age 39. The oldest was almost 100. Really sound teaching and good reading by all the class but GOD began to let me notice certain things & Warren was end of it..They just don't seem to care if anyone who wants to fellowship has really been born again. They are businesses now & are also busy with activities but no power of the Holy Spirit.