Sunday, December 29, 2013

Is the Sun the Lake of Fire?

I disagree with this video:

I saw this theory today on another video besides this one. Bear with me, it's weird.

People are teaching that the sun is the lake of fire.

"Our sun is a lake of fire.  If you were to stand upon the surface of the sun you would be in a lake of fire.  At the same time as you would look from the sun, all that you would see is the blackness of space.  Look at Matthew 22:13 where Jesus speaks of an unsaved man being cast into hell.  "Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."  Scientists tell us that our sun is moving.  They say it is in orbit as are all other stars.  So we see how these facts about hell given in the Bible could be a description of our sun or many different suns.  Hell is a lake of fire (Revelation 20:10) and the blackness of darkness forever (Jude 13), and those in hell are described as wandering stars (Jude 13).  Therefore, we conclude that hell could be a star or many stars in outer space.  We will certainly find out one day."

 I do not know anything in the Bible that says this. If I am wrong and missed the verse, tell me where it says different.

People get some really odd ideas out there. Always make sure to test them by God's Word.


Anonymous said...

It's an interesting thought but not supported by Scripture.
The Bible mentions the word sun separately from the lake of fire and not interchangeably. Plus, there is the fact that the Bible says there will be a new heavens and new earth, and that God will be our light.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Isa 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

I agree there are some really odd ideas out there. Last night I watched this man's youtube video and he seemed pretty sound until he started talking about the book of Revelation. He said that those people that would worship the beast will be transformed into some kind of different creature that will be deaf and unable to speak.
He supposedly got that from Psalm 115.

Psa 115:4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
5 They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:
6 They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:
7 They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.
8 They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.

It's verse 8 that his belief hangs on,"They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them."

He thinks that people will literally be turned into some kind of creature that can't see or hear.
I personally think it is speaking of spiritual blindness. It's weird stuff

eric le debonnaire said...

The scriptures are clear that there are worlds (plural), visible and invisible.
it seems these people do not know or do not see there is an invisible world, as real as the visible one. We just don't see it now with our physical senses.
This strange belief lacks also common sense, as there are billions of physical 'lakes of fire' in the universe, when there is only 1 lake of fire in the scriptures. What would have been the need for God to create billions of lakes of fire ?
And anyway all these suns will not exist for ever.
The reason for the creation of the sun and the stars and the moon is indicated in the scriptures ; there is indeed no need to add to the revelation of the scriptures.

FaithGuy3 said...

Isn't the sun one of God's creations?

Mat_5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

The lake of fire, on the contrary...

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Notice the word prepared in this Matthew 25:41 verse when Jesus describes the lake of fire.

No, the sun is not the lake of fire - I don't exactly have a complete understanding of every single scripture, but it's amazing how people come up with all of these ideas without looking in their KJBs and asking the Holy Spirit to guide them.

Anonymous said...

Notice the word "heavens", I would think that this includes the sun. 2 Peter 3:7 - Don

Bible Believer said...

There is a lot of weird stuff out there, I wanted to post this because it was so strange. I wonder if it is based in some occult writing or teachings, wouldn't doubt it, vain imaginations. Yes I agree about scripture telling us about visible and invisible worlds. I also thought too when I read these things, even the secular scientists say our sun is finite in it's life--even if its 50 million years more, so that would mean hell is not an eternal place. Thanks for your responses all food for thought. We have to be careful out there with people's theories and pray and use common sense too, I liked the point about there being millions and billions of lakes of fire.

Anonymous said...

Mystic Emanuel Swedenborg taught a "correspondence" between the sun and hell in his written works. - Don

Helene said...

For those who worship the sun on "Sun-day"(venerable day of the sun) , on winter solstice (Dies Natalis Solis Invicti "the birthday of the Unconquered Sun"...etc Why not ??
Of course as long as people believe that the "second death" mean "eternal torture " it's impossible... oh ! and by the way... will the wicked get "eternal life " TOO ?? (..if you want them to be tortured forever and ever...) ... think about that...
i always wondered why so many "christians" seems having no problems with this stuff of never-ending torture ...(some talk about (just)separation from God ...can't see where they took that from)

Rev 14
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Do you think the Lamb will spend "eternity" watching them beeing punished ??????

Rev 21
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Anonymous said...

The author of that theory is not very informed on Scripture. The location of hell as noted in both the Bible and the Book of Enoch as below the earth, not above. So the sun could not be hell as Scripture states the sun rotates above the earth. And hell is a completely different place from the Lake of Fire. Hell is a temporary prison for fallen angels and in the End Times it will actually be destroyed in the Lake of Fire.

Anonymous said...

Not supported by scripture!? Cast into outer darkness and a lake of fire IS being put in star prison like lucifer/sirius. The modern day serpent worshipers also worship the brightest star sirius/angel of light. The n.w.o. freemasons military industrial complex politicians wallstreet money masters zionists etc.etc. etc. are the architects (The love of money is the root of all evil)These wicked control freaks are deceived deceivers courting being cast into outer darkness lake of fire. Flee sexual immorality love and forgive your enemies and most of all adore and worship God the Father in Christ Jesus the True God man and savior of the world.

Anonymous said...

Hell is thrown into the Lake of Hell and the Lake of fire are separate things...this is supported by scripture..there is no Sun in the new heaven...why?

14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
Revelation 20:14

The stars are not suns as the bible is clear the sun in unique. Nowhere in scripture does it claim stars are in fact says the sun and moon were created for specific purposes and the stars another.

He could be right as Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire and the Lake of fire is clearly not Hell.

How could Hell and the false prophet etc be thrown into the Lake of Fire if Hell is the Lake of fire?

They are two separate places. The sun is not in the new heavens and Earth. Why? Perhaps because it is separated like told by Jesus about Lazarus...they could not help him as Heaven and Hell were separated. They were already in the spiritual realm and still could not pass over to each other. Yet Hell is emptied at the white throne judgement...the judged are then thrown into the Lake of Fire....distinct and separate from each other. Our unique sun could very well be the Lake of fire. Scripture is clear that Hell is inside of the Earth. It does not give a specific location for the Lake of Fire. It says always down and within the Earth when mentioning Hell, it does not do so when mentioning the Lake of Fire.

For example, Jesus went for three days after crucifixion...where? To the lower parts of the Earth.

"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Matthew 12:40

For those who say nonsense like it means the grave buried in the Earth...Jesus was not buried..he was put into a cave with a stone over the door.

"And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed."
Matthew 27:60

As well as the fact that it says he descended to the "lower parts of the Earth.

9 "(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?"

Ephesians 4:9

So Hell is given a specific location..lower parts of the Earth..yet the Lake of Fire which Hell is thrown into and is separate is never given a specific location. The Sun could be the Lake of Fire as the Lord lights the new heaven and new Earth.

Just saying as so many people are quick to say how it is not biblical..they clearly do not even understand that Hell and the Lake of Fire are separate places. How could hell be thrown into the Lake of fire if it is the Lake of fire?

Fiq Hanna said...

I aI am just seeing if I am able to reply. If my reply goes thru then I will definitely clear up this issue about the lake of fire

Fiq Hanna said...

This is a very interesting topic as I will clearly settle this issue. I am going to say right now that the Sun is in fact the lake of fire. What we fail to realize is that Hill has multiple meanings. We do not to know what hell is so therefore when the Bible says that death and hell will be thrown in the lake of fire we assume that if Hell is the lake of fire then how can the lake of fire or be cast into the lake of fire or the Sun.

One definition of hell we find in the Book of Psalms chapter 10 verse 16 where David himself was explaining that God the Father will not leave Jesus's soul in Hell nor suffer the Holy One to see corruption. ++HELL++in this verse is simply under the ground which is the place where the dead go to await the judgment. Psalms 16:10

For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. We know that Jesus is the holy one and He did not see corruption, but He was raised on the third day before corruption set in.
The "DEATH" that revelation 20:14 speaks of ((And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.)) means what is mean...death...meaning that no longer will man experience death anymore. You will not die because you will live forever: in the kingdom but since we are talking obviously about sinners going to the lake of fire, they will not literally die either, but they will experience the SECOND DEATH which is burning alive in the lake of fire. Y'all remember what Paul wrote?

1Cor 15:54-55. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

When we are raise we will put on incorruptible bodies so we cannot ++DIE++ anymore!

So now let's read revelation 20:14 with understanding...shall we?

We can read it like this "And the **death** that man once had to face and **hell** the place where death or the dead lives was cast into the lake of fire. The ground or hell where the first temporary place death was will give up their dead and the lake of fire will take over the dead...hence, the SECOND DEATH.
Now I will send this reply and then immediately go into the topic of the sun and the Actual BIBLICAL location of the lake of fire. I just had to clear up that point. Thank you

Fiq Hanna said...

Now the sun is the lake of fire. It is in fact made of sulfur and brimstone and we have to realize that EVERYTHING was created in the beginning. Even the new Jerusalem which will be our home forever after the thousand year millennium was created from the foundation of the world.

Matt 24:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

Jesus ain't coming back to do more creating people. He is coming back to give justice! In order to understand that the sun is the lake if fire we MUST know the location of the lake of fire. You might ""say well you said it was the sun so that's the location of it right""? Not necessarily. Check this out!!

Matt 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the ++SUN++ be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Notice that RIGHT BEFORE Jesus appears the ++SUN++ gets dark along with other thing happening!! Then He sends HIS ANGELS TO GATHER THE elect.

31And he shall send his ANGELS with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Well let's look at another angel and what he was doing and more than likely used by Jesus to cause the ++SUN++ to get dark.

Revelation 19:17 17And I saw an angel standing in the++ SUN++; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

This is the same time period as Matt 24...The Great Tribulation. All the bodies that die in the tribulation will be eaten by fowl.
So when the ++SUN++ was darkened this angel standing in the ++SUN++ actually stripped the lake of fire from the sun which caused it to become DARK!! Well where did the Angel put the lake of fire is the question.

Check this out!!

Revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a LAKE OF FIRE burning with brimstone.

So the first thing that Jesus does when He comes back is throw only two people in the LAKE OF FIRE! But where are they going to be burning at? Remember the return of Jesus starts the thousand year reign of Christ on earth.


Isaiah 66:23-24
23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

24And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: FOR THEIR WORM SHALL NOT DIE, NEITHER SHALL THEIR FIRE BE QUENCHED; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Jesus will be reigning from Jerusalem but when the people come up the worship Him they will see the only two people that He through in the lake of fire: the beast and false prophet... They will be burning. So the Angel brought the lake of fire straight to the earth in JERUSALEM IN THE KINGDOM!!!! How do I know that?

Check this: We misunderstand thsee verses a lot but now you will read with understanding.

MATT 5:19

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Fiq Hanna said...

Your pastor always said that he don't care if he is the least in the kingdom cause at least he will be in the kingdom lol. Not knowing that the least IN THE KINGDOM is the lake of fire. If you break His commandments and teach other to do it you will be in the lake of fire which will be in the kingdom.

So yes, the LAKE OF FIRE is the sun but the lake will be taken to the kingdom causing the sun to get dark. You will be able to see the the least in the kingdom as Lazarus saw the rich man from the kingdom. This came from years of study so enjoy...PEACE

Anonymous said...

2 Peter 3:10-12 could mean the Earth will be cast into the lake of fire after the Great white thrown judgment · Sounds like the Sun to me·If anyone can find scripture to either support this or refute it that would be great· GOD bless brothers and sisters·

R.L. HEARN said...

Hell indeed is in the heart (center) of the earth.. How ironic it would be to learn that the sun we have gaze upon all these generations might actually be the lake of fire in which hell will will be cast into. The suns surface is a molten lake of fire. One day well all know for sure.

Anonymous said...

That would be very ironic. So may wicked people worship the Sun and maybe unknowingly they are worshipping the place where they will spend eternity in torment. All will be revealed in time.

Just Ray said...

Scary...we aren't supposed to go to church in Sunday!?

Anonymous said...

Scary... We aren't supposed to go to church on Sunday?! Are we not supposed to follow the gospel of Paul?

Anonymous said...

I never thought of this till I saw it on the Internet. Wow I couldn't imagine the Sun being the lake of fire as it very well could be but we see it every day. On judgement day God could say you saw your place of eternal torment every day. I showed it to you and you still wouldn't repent. So scary but if you're saved you won't have to worry about it. I hope this makes people everywhere stop and do some thinking.

Anonymous said...

If this is true on judgement day God would say I showed you your destination everyday and you still wouldn't repent. How scary and sad and people should be scared. Give your heart and life to Jesus. Serve Him and you won't have to worry about a lake of fire!!!