Wednesday, October 9, 2013

Chuck Smith Died



Chuck Smith died last week. There is nothing to celebrate about any false preacher dying because of what they will face before God and the fact they can no longer mislead any new people. I suppose now Calvary Chapel will have some upsets as differing factions battle it out for leadership. I don't endorse CBN but used this for the video.

39 comments:

Kayfabe said...

Yeah here in Cali he is loved. You are right, it is very sobering. It is sad that someone can have so much sway over a populace of people to the point where they do not question. Such is the lot of our Church today.

Steve said...

We do not know the limits of God's grace. Mr. Smith was a false prophet, but that is not the unforgiveable sin.

Only God knows where he is.

However, I will say that honoring (aka idolizing) anyone is not a good thing to do. Surely, if people honor us, we steal glory from God and "have our reward".

Anonymous said...

Brian Broedersen is confirmed as the new senior pastor of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. Broedersen who is very ecumenical with catholics, calvinists, and emergents.

Anonymous said...

Brian Broedersen is confirmed as the new senior pastor of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. Broedersen who is ecumenical with catholics, calvinists, and emergents, and who wrote an article about how we should take it easy on TD Jakes.

Bible Believer said...

I thought that is who they would pick.

I am sure with time they will become even more openly ecumenical.

Remember this?

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2012/09/brian-brodersen-re-tweets-roman.html


Bible Believer said...

http://calvarychapel.com/blog/my-thoughts-on-t-d-jakes-and-the-elephant

http://calvarychapel.com/blog/a-few-more-thoughts-on-t-d-jakes-and-the

"Regarding Jakes and the prosperity doctrine, the doctrine itself has many variations from mild to extreme. From what I’ve heard of Jakes, I think he would come down somewhere in the middle. That the doctrine is incorrect and problematic goes without saying, but to say that those who hold to this doctrine are not Christians and should therefore be shunned is, I think, na├»ve. I have personally met many wonderful Christian men and women over the years who, to some degree or another, have held to the prosperity doctrine. I have discussed, debated, and challenged many who have held that view, but I’ve also found among them amazing conversion stories and a genuine love for Christ the Savior."

Kayfabe said...

Steve,

2nd Peter Chapter 2 indicates that it will not be well for false prophets in the end

Steve said...

Kayfabe @ October 11, 2013 at 10:08

Correct, but we do not know if he repented.

To me, it is more valued to preach Jesus than to "guess" people's eternal destinations.

I've been praying for him, I hope he made it. I wouldn't wish hell on my worst enemy.

I am not the author of the book of life, or omniscient, so again...I have no idea where Mr. Smith is.

FaithGuy3 said...

And don't forget that heretical, opposition-controlled Rapture Ready web site endorses Chuck Smith/Calvary Chapel - even one of their mods is a CC church pastor.

Pt being that while they through and through expose Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, Brian McLaren, and the Emergent Church - at the same time their endorsing of Chuck Smith has ultimately lead the posting members of RR *back* to Smith/CC, hence telling them very craftily that all of the seeker-sensitive, prosperity gospel, Christian Rock/CCM, etc that Rick Warren endorses is OK.

FaithGuy3 said...

OK, I'm not saying saved people need to be sin-less, but nonetheless as children of God...

[I]Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?[/I]

This is just me - but if Chuck Smith was saved, then according to scripture, I don't think our Lord would have let him to stray THIS extreme(to where he deceived millions of people for filthy lucre).

Smith did so much damage - invested in multi-million dollar buildings, accepted Illuminati money to get CCM/Christian Rock started, hired a sodomite(Lonnie Frisbee) to work in his ministry, supported Catholicism and abortion, etc.

Like I said, I nor anyone else are nowhere near sin-less people(otherwise, I would be calling God a liar) - but I can't tell you how many times the Lord has chasteneth and scourgeth me every time I got out of line, and kept me from evil.

[I]John_17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.[/I]


Bible Believer said...

We should mourn that any soul ends up in hell. Could there have been a death-bed repentance? Perhaps, but then the world gets kind of invested in those thinking that everyone who has spent a life time working for the side of evil, suddenly sees the light as they die. If anything when it comes to the wicked, many will allow pride to blind them to the second they take their last breath. If Smith was a reprobate, which I tend to think he was, with the exposed involvements that we all know about [Faith guy mentions several above] the chances are even far less likely---seared conscience. You don't run a false church marching endless Christians into the one world religion and not know what you are doing. Everyone likes to imagine all these NWO disciples, breaking their Bibles out as they are gasping for breath, and repenting, but I tend to think that would be extraordinarily rare. They had many chances and warnings before.

I don't want anyone to end up in hell, even Chuck Smith. I kept this post short on purpose because there is no celebrating someone dying after a life time of service to the NWO or for Satan's deceptions.

Rapture Ready has a CC church pastor on staff?

Do you know which one?

http://libertytothecaptives.net/strandbergs_forums_employees.html

FaithGuy3 said...

BB, the mod's name is OnceWasLost. Here's a thread from the RR web site(where they were doing damage control after one of their CC denomination churches got caught inviting a Muslim speaker).
http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?186436-A-Calvary-Chapel-church-breached-with-a-Palestinian-(Muslim)-speaker

OWL is Chris Quintana - senior pastor at CC Cypress(CA).
http://ccappleton.org/prophecy-conference/

And I've noticed he and other "regulars" like to play this WWF tag-team nonsense to make everyone think there's a "good guy" and a "bad guy" in the "arguments" going on. Here's one from Rapture Forums where he and 'Robert' look like they're going at each other over the gun issue...
http://www.raptureforums.com/forum/end-times-politics/75050-rick-warren-politics-gun-control.html

I'm not registered at either site, but just surf there to get news articles and other stuff they post(like I do with a couple of other sites).

FaithGuy3 said...

Also, some of these discernment ministries like Jan Markell, Ray Comfort, Chris Pinto, etc are staunch supporters of Calvary Chapel.

Pinto may be a very staunch supporter of the KJB, consistently exposes the Vatican/Jesuits/RCC, consistently exposes Freemasonry, as well as the OWC system coming to fruition - at the same time, when he endorses Calvary Chapel, he's craftily recommending you the very things he previously warned you about.

And not to mention too that lately, Pinto has been attacking KJV-onlyism(one time giving a halfway decent recommendation to the ESV).

Ditto Markell - she exposes the Emergent Church through and through while endorsing CC. And a lot of her guests are questionable at best(Michelle Bachman, Joel Rosenberg and WMD editor Joseph Farah are among her frequent guests).

Ray Comfort? If Pinto is so staunchly KJB, then it's really mindboggling over why he would even think about him.

As you can see, there seems to be a lot of connections b/w the "bad guys"(Emergent Church/CC) and the "good guys"(internet "discernment" ministries) - their end game is part of the Hegelian Dialectic in order to boomerang their flock back to the Postmodernism "Church".

Bible Believer said...

If you haven't seen this yet FAITH GUY check it out...

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/08/this-picture-freaked-me-out.html

I had my time on Rapture Ready, I got banned for saying George W. Bush was a universalist and NWO and that 9-11 was an inside job. I got banned on Free Republic within 10 minutes, it took a little longer there but not much.

I guess I am not surprised to see a CC big whig [I've heard that pastor's name before] on there. If you check out the Rapture Ready website, where I link to photos on that article, you'll see some names pop up from Missler to Dave Hunt {now deceased} to LaHaye. Rapture Ready has their involvements with some of the biggies from what I can tell.

About that link ah, they are always busy advancing the pro-israel--secular nation-false Christian Zionism on behalf of the Dominionist set. Calvary Chapel has that history of inviting Jews that reject Jesus and Muslims to their pulpits.

They play the good cop, bad cop games to get people to compromise and move to positions they formally rejected. Remember those people who run message boards, know how delphi and other techniques work to influence people.

NOW I WANT YOU TO NOTICE SOMETHING WITH THAT MOD.

He has marked himself.

"OH REALLY?" for confusion. {what kind of slogan is that for a pastor?}

and THE OWL.

Don't think he choose the owl just to be "cute". {hey I could be wrong} but I have seen this time and time again where they pick occult symbols of various sorts. There is one political board I get news from where a whole lot of them mark themselves with WOLF avatars.

If you see a pattern in the avatars...that will tell you too for when he changes it.

They always say the same thing...

"There are over 1,000 CC's in the US and I can tell everyone, from personal knowledge, this particular CC is out on a limb here and is a total anomaly. There is going to be fallout over this and the world wide pastor's conference is coming up for CC the first week in June. I assume such things as this will be discussed there."

They always claim the Calvary Chapel gone bad, Emergent, inviting non-Christians to the pulpit are always the anomaly. Hey one used to tell me how most Calvary Chapel pastors were non-ecumenical. I told her, FIND ME ONE. She never did.


CARM was another one I was on with a bunch of "players"

CARM never banned me but they had the outraged folks, who were upset over my Calvary Chapel posts and there was a huge pile-on.

I believe that most big time "Christian" message boards are full of "control agents" maybe some paid or volunteer.

I still surf too to get news, but don't trust any of them. Finding one with Christians who aren't fooled by the church system or the NWO is extraordinarily rare and even then you have to watch out for the controlled opp types who introduce new lies.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/12/problems-with-christian-message-boards.html

Bible Believer said...

I agree about all those discernment ministries. Add From The Lighthouse, Jackie Alnor too and remember they have the ones who may criticize Calvary Chapel "to a point" [hmmm Roger Oakland]
Yes one thing they often lack is consistency.

I mean why warn about Rome and the one world religion and then tell people to go join with preachers and churches that are part of it?

"As you can see, there seems to be a lot of connections b/w the "bad guys"(Emergent Church/CC) and the "good guys"(internet "discernment" ministries) - their end game is part of the Hegelian Dialectic in order to boomerang their flock back to the Postmodernism "Church"."

I totally agree.

Bible Believer said...

Kayfabe, you are right too, it's all the cult of personality where they love man more then God.

FaithGuy3 said...

Was a member of Rapture Ready from Summer 2008 - Spring 2009. Got banned when all was said and done(for minor stuff, pretty much). Yeah, during election year 2008, got attacked for pointing out how John McCain was against the 2004 legislation to add an anti-gay marriage amendment to the US Constitution. Another time posted links how McCain is a CFR member, and the mods deleted it. Another time got attacked for pointing out John Roberts' and Samuel Alito's pro-abortion records.

Their pre-trib stance wasn't what bothered me(to be frank, I'm pre-trib, but brethren who have mid and post-trib beliefs are fine with me, as we all see through a glass darkly). However, instead of exposing the entire system, it was just so POLITICAL(where they pushed Republicanism really hard - they staunchly supported Romney last year).

As for their occult avatars - yeah, noticed that too - they have many choices for their members to choose from, and am surprised to see some Disney stuff in there.

And to boot, I've seen posters there PRAISING their pastors at their churches for switching to the NEW King James Bible!

Freerepublic - yeah, another Illuminati opposition-controlled message forum - the worst part about this site is not their blind following of Republicanism, but they are STAUNCHLY pro-Catholic. They'll even attack their fellow Baptist/Protestant believers if they don't agree with them. And I also saw a thread on there where they were ENDORSING the NIV, while ATTACKING their fellow KJB believers!

Prison Planet Forum is another one - you would think this "truther" forum would expose the corrupt system through and through, but believe it or not, they look like some GOP establishment forum now that W. Bush is out of office.(and they're not kind to Christians either)

Seriously - these so-called "conservative" groups that are exposing Socialism through and through are the same ones ENDORSING the very same NIV bible that PROMOTES Socialism!

FaithGuy3 said...

Dave Hunt - I'll admit, he put out a lot of good stuff exposing the RCC, and especially all of the New Age deceptions that I would recommend watching.

However, like you said, he has CC connections(and to boot had connections to John MacArthur).

He also attacked the King James Bible later in his life(and did the same to Gail Ripplinger after it appeared he was a dear friend to her).

Anonymous said...

Dave Hunt supported false teachers like Ray Comfort. I cut paying attention to him years ago.

Bible Believer said...

Dave Hunt, had a good book on Catholicism, Calvinism. Learned a lot. Listened to him as a new Christian but then when I realized the NWO connections, the MISSLER/DAVE HUNT associations, I was disturbed. Anyone connected to Missler, and where I can tell it's not just a one off--someone deceived but a consistent pattern and association, I am done with.

http://www.raptureready.com/photo/dallas2/da24.jpg

See what I wrote about Chuck Missler and Dave Hunt here:

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2012/01/variety-of-links-6.html

If you know and admit the RCC is the harlot, why on earth not question the nonsense in Calvary Chapel but go speaking in them?

"It is interesting to note the names that have popped up at all these bible conferences...This is one from 1995.

"Who was at the conference? Many of the most recognized names of Bible prophecy, including Chuck Missler, David Larsen, Mark Hitchcock, Randall Price, Donald Perkins, Joseph Chambers, Zola Levitt, Dave Hunt, Mike Gendron, Phillip Goodman, Arno Froese, George Gunn, Ergun Caner, Arnold Fructenbaum, Terry James, Ed Hindson, Tim Lahaye, Jimmy DeYoung, Tommy Ice, Joe VanKoevering, and David Reagan. Many of these gentlemen spoke at the conference on a variety of topics, including the revived Roman Empire and the European Union, current events in Israel, Islamic eschatology, the end-time apostacy of the church, the identity of Babylon in Revelation 17-18, and the battle of Gog and Magog. However, the best presentation by far, in my opinion, was the George Gunn's "2 Thessalonians 2:13: A Rapture Passage?". "

Promoting the usual Christian Zionism, false Pre-Trib and other teachings.

yes some of the associations included Ray Comfort with Dave Hunt.

No one can tell me that Dave Hunt with all his extensive study never figured out Calvary Chapel's ecumenical ties

It's a shame because as a new Christian I did learn some things from his writings but yes I became done with him as well.

Bible Believer said...

Yes lots of people get banned from Rapture Ready, especially if you tell the truth about their favorite NWO politicians. John McCain is a definite wolf, even a proto Democrat who pretends to be a Republican--no real difference between the two parties. On many of these boards only the most brain-dead mainstream Republicanism is allowed.

I know there are brethern who disagree with me on pre-trib/mid-trib/post-trib--post trib- Iguess that is what I would be considered by the terms, so understand.

Yes they always pushed Republicanism very hard. Even as back far as 2002. That's when I was banned. In the days I was on, Bush could do no wrong.

Yes tons of occult avatars, on CARM there are participants even with OCCULT names, and the others take up for it when they are called on it. Can't remember one, he had Crucible or something as a name, it was something overtly Wiccan. He admitted "Celtic" leanings so you saw a lot of that.

Yes they will praise false bibles and all the rest too.

Free Republic too is controlled, that one definitely has major REPUBLICAN CATHOLIC influence. They put up total nonsense about the Pope, so when Francis comes up with the last pro-NWO announcements, they always will put links about "how the Pope really didn't say that". Yes they will endorse false bibles.

There is a political board I know of-- I have gone there to get news, where you are NOT ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE MORMONS, and that place had a huge populace of occult types for one small place, all these Kabbalahists, admitted freemasons and more.

Ah I was on Prison Planet Forum YEARS AGO, that place was full of occultists. you can see the change agents and others trying to steer conversations on there now in the comments section.

"Conservativism" in my book now means nothing as all the groups are merging to the same place. Even Alex Jones wants the globe to "awaken" and have a revolution like the Soros Occupy crowd. They all teach the same New Age nonsense.

Conservative and Liberal today really means nothing. They have married together for globalism and the one world order just like capitalism and communism had a wedding to empty the pockets of the serfs. After all that is Obamcare isn't it, with the insurance companies behind it all too?

Bible Believer said...

One thing to remember about a lot of message boards, today, and some people may think I am crazy for writing this, many of the people on them are FAKE, they are PAID to be there, or VOLUNTEER to steer conversations.

I found one Carm denizen hanging out at the pro-Mormon libertarian/Constitutionalist styled political board, I recognized her writing style. These paid phonies too, will even camp out at little boards. Places you never would imagine the NWO would even notice or even care about. I believe on some message forum websites, they have completely PHONY boards run by "employees" who are there to steer the Christians wrong. I was on a small board, that I got driven off of with time. [For questioning Calvary Chapel]

The guy running it was a fake but it took me time to realize this, and now the typical brain-dead mainstream Republican-Rapture Ready type is running the show.

I even accept that on here, I may have a few false commenters pop up here and there.

Google astroturfing.

One thing I saw people literally on message boards for HOURS, like this was a JOB for them. Not acouple hours a day, I am talking 8 and 10 hours.

Many will play multiple identities. I saw this on Fighting Fundamentalist Forum. That is another fake place.

Oh and then you got the evangelical boards where they have Catholic moderators.

Anonymous said...

"I agree about all those discernment ministries. Add From The Lighthouse, Jackie Alnor too and remember they have the ones who may criticize Calvary Chapel "to a point" [hmmm Roger Oakland]. Yes one thing they often lack is consistency."

Alnor in particular is way out in left field. She (rightly) rants about the evil of TBN, but then on her own home page, there is a video of her being interviewed on TBN back in the stone age.

Seeing that, was what caused me to stop listening to her. She talks out of both sides of her mouth. Either they are evil, or they are not. Pick a side.

They are mostly Walter Martin disciples. And Walter Martin was false, because he refused to call catholicism a cult, which it most certainly is a cult. So he was inconsistent, thus his disciples are also inconsistent.

Anonymous said...

"Oh and then you got the evangelical boards where they have Catholic moderators."

We call that, controlled opposition. Of course, we make the mistake of assuming that the boards are evangelical or ever really were in the first place.

Bible Believer said...

Yes Alnor is not consistent. If you said, I was on TBN in the old days and I repent of that today, that would be a different story. Why on earth would you then post on it. It's like the Calvary Chapel pastors showing up on TBN like Chuck Smith and then in next sentence saying they do not agree with Word of Faith.

I have noticed the Walter Martin disciples, his daughter is almost a proto-Catholic [Jill Martin Rische] and years ago I noticed they had a Catholic moderator supervising the Walter Martin message board.

http://www.waltermartin.com/blog.html

I don't trust Ken Silva because he praises Walter Martin. {I think he is an SBC pastor too} What is so great about a guy that couldn't even tell the truth about the Catholic church?

http://apprising.org/2009/12/13/dr-walter-martin-on-apostasy-circa-1985/

If a blogger or pastor, praises Walter Martin that usually puts me on notice.

I confronted Ingrid and Jill Martin Rische on Slice of Laodicea years and years ago. {Slice is defunct now}

Here is the post...that resulted

http://www.waltermartin.com/2007/06/for-future-reference-im-asking-that.html

Walter Martin Ministries Blog

Spiritual Answers and Reasons for Faith
Sunday, June 17, 2007

For future reference, I'm asking that comments posted here be short and sweet. If you would like to expound on my insightful blog entries, please use the WM Discussion Board. If your comment is longer than a paragraph or two, it may not get posted.

At the risk of starting WWIII, I will go ahead and repost some comments that I made on Slice of Laodicea's blog (I've been subbing for Ingrid while she gets some long overdue vacation). Please feel free to agree or disagree briefly (and let's keep it civil, okay?) The subject of Roman Catholicism is a difficult one for many people. Lately, Kevin and I have had the accusation leveled at us that our site is "Roman Catholic" and I thought I would repeat my answer to that mind-boggling pronouncement:

My husband, Kevin, and I are very clear on how we view the RCC on our website. We are firmly Protestant and will remain so. As I said before, we strongly disagree with some teachings in the RCC.

I think it is important to consider this, however (and as a historian, it made a difference to me): First, Martin Luther was a Roman Catholic--he saw himself as a reformer of the RCC. And so (in essence) Protestantism existed within the RCC. I would call Martin Luther a brother in Christ, wouldn't you?

Second, if we condemn everyone in the RCC, we must be prepared to say that Christianity died out after 300 A.D.and was not revived again until Martin Luther in 1521 A.D. This position would contradict Jesus when He said, "On this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it" (Matthew 16:18).

This should make for an interesting week . . . .


posted by Jill Martin Rische at 11:38 PM

See above..."So in essence Protestantism existed within the RCC"

http://www.waltermartin.com/2007/06/for-future-reference-im-asking-that.html

She doesn't even get that the RCC is the harlot.

I learned about the ecumenical types who concede a few "errors" within the Catholic religion but who still see it as "Christian" then.

Bible Believer said...

They never were in the first place, they lead everyone "home to Rome, or the ecumenical movement"

Anonymous said...

"we must be prepared to say that Christianity died out after 300 A.D.and was not revived again until Martin Luther in 1521 A.D"

Boy, are they lost!

No, we do not need to be "prepared" to say that. Since it was never true. It is the lies of so-called "catholic history", which is not true history anyway.

The truth is that true Christians existed the entire time. From the day of Pentecost, to today. Catholicism came about many hundreds of years after the Bible, and they persecuted Christians the whole time. Including hundreds of years before Martin Luther was born.

Martin Luther was a heretic, who taught the catholic lie of "baptismal regeneration". Luther was controlled opposition, a "safe" alternative to the catholic cult.

Whereas truly saved believers, always existed outside of catholicism, before Luther, after Luther, and today.

Bible Believer said...

Martin Luther basically was a "daughter" and today's Lutheran church is a daughter church, I agree about him being controlled opposition. This article created some outrage that I wrote some time ago, many do not understand that much of Protestanism has carried forth Rome's errors, the Lutheran churches one of the chief among them.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2012/02/daughters-protestant-churches-1-altars.html

and these are discernment ministries?

I do not trust any teacher that considers Rome's version of the facts to be valid. They trust in church history instead of the truth.

I told them otherwise and was driven off.

Agree saved believers existed outside of Catholicism and it's daughters.

FaithGuy3 said...

FWIW, I was reading about Charles Spurgeon recently - to sum it up in a nutshell: He's really not this "prominent" evangelist the world makes him out to be.

I don't know if he was some kind of Jesuit plant or anything, but nonetheless his Metropolitan Tabernacle was the precursor to the megachurch we see all around us today. And if you do an internet search for some of his quotes, he actually believed in a lot these works-based nonsenses.

His sermons, devotionals, etc appealed to ALL "denominations".

And the same goes with a lot of these other "prominent" evangelists like Matthew Henry and John Wesley. Wesley helped pushed the Sunday School movement in churches(The SS movement's roots were very secular, FYI). And Henry's, Wesley's, and Spurgeon's interpretations on the end times prophecies in Revelation, Matthew 24, and Daniel were rather rhetorical, and NOT literal.

Ultimately, if these Spurgeon types were REALLY reaching out and evangelizing 1000s of people around the world, then why has generations following gotten more decayed, and NOT borne good fruit? Yeah, have to really examine the fruit of these people.

Also - anyone seen this from the Ephesians511 blog today?

John MacArthur/The Master's College
Partners with Roman Catholic Mormonism Promoter
http://ephesians511blog.blogspot.com/2013/10/john-macarthur-partners-with-roman.html

MacArthur - another "prominent" person being promoted by these Illuminati-controlled "Christian" message forums and mainline Churchianity.

Anonymous said...

Faithguy3, well said on all points. Spurgeon was wrong about a lot. He gave some swrmons that taught works so strongly that if what he said were true, then nobody has ever been saved ever. And MacArthur, total false teacher. He also said a person could take the mark of the beast and still somehow get saved, what a lie from hell. Nobody can be saved once they take the mark of the beast.

Matthew Henry, never liked his stuff. He sounds like he was more interested in being philosophical that getting the truth.

Bible Believer said...

I remember everyone suggesting I go read Spurgeon when I was a new Christian, he always had too many Calvinist leanings for me though I am not sure if he is technically one or not. I didn't feel connected to what he taught for whatever reason.

Ah went to look him up, this is enough for me to have nothing to do with the guy.

"the old truth that Calvin preached, that Augustine preached, that Paul preached, is the truth that I must preach to-day, or else be false to my conscience and my God. I cannot shape the truth; I know of no such thing as paring off the rough edges of a doctrine. John Knox's gospel is my gospel. That which thundered through Scotland must thunder through England again."—C. H. Spurgeon"

http://www.spurgeon.org/calvinis.htm

Calvin and Augustine? I figured out both were false one year into being born again, maybe the day of...if I had been pressed and their teachings presented.


I don't trust anyone who is "too popular" in the pulpit anymore and you can toss even Billy Sunday and Moody on to that list though I would understand other born again Christians who may go read them or suggest them. If they love CS. Lewis, Calvinism, Augustine, mention Rome's church history as legitimate church history, early church fathers, etc, then too especially then.

Bible Believer said...

I see John MacArthur name crop up a lot when exposing a lot of the other false preachers. He is popular in Calvary Chapel circles, but isn't he kind of hooked in with the Driscoll/ and Piper crowd or was that just "debates"?

Supporter of Ray Comfort:

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2012/09/ray-comforts-connections-to-gothard-and.html

http://ephesians511blog.blogspot.com/2013/10/john-macarthur-partners-with-roman.html

Thats interesting on the Ephesians blog, well they have Mormons and Catholics and others on the CNP roster, their NWO connections count the most. Mormonism to me more and more is more a "hidden" mode of Masonic rituals, they just call a religion, so there is plenty of duped people in it, but the top ones know that Mormon rituals are really Freemasonic.

Hmm Tim Lahaye and Jenkins wrote a character [Chan] in the Left Behind series who was saved AFTER they took the mark of the beast, hey that's a message they want to get out there, so they can influence the church "Christians" to line up and take it, and give them the false claim it can be "undone".

All these false teachers teach that Mormons are fellow Christians.

http://calvarychapelabuse.com/wordpress/chuck-smith-calvary-chapel-founder-says-mormons-are-christians-what-say-you/

Anonymous said...

MacArthur and Piper are total buddies. And they're both false teachers together.

Anonymous said...

I agree with a lot the folks you mention as false. However you guys seem to dismiss EVERYBODY though. Dave Hunt, Roger Oakland, Ken Silva on and on. According you guys everyone in the church public eye is fallible. Y'know we all got blind spots in one form or fashion, NO ONE has perfect discernment. And its as if you all talk as if you do. Pride is a really ugly thing, and with all do respect you all sound as so with "everyone being wrong" or "having shady connections" and you guys having it all together. Jesus exemplified grace and we are to be like Jesus. YES I understand the false teacher bit and calling out false teachers, but some of the people you all named here are/were not false teachers. Are you guys perfect? Sadly I see no fruit here whatsoever. Always in all these posts in negative. No hope nothing is displaywd. Trust one is pretty much the theme here. And YEA I get there ARE a good many many false teachers out today and you do expose many of them, but dang if I was a new believer and read this forum I'd think ALL public church discernment and/or preachers were false, and that is SAD. There is a difference in calling out a false teacher than calling out someone cause they aren't perfect, cause if thats the case then why would anyone trust what you guys say either. Show some grace! You guys lack it!

Anonymous said...

Biblical instruction is to guard against the false teacher both individually and corporately. Why? because they and their teaching brings about “destruction” upon individuals and the church. (2 Peter 2:1)
It is total absurdity and outright negligence to call for “grace” concerning false teachers, prophets or whatever title you want to give. The body of Christ doesn’t run towards them in grace, with the goal to represent some misguided sense of Christian unity to new believers. The new believer should see us flea in the opposite direction avoiding our own destruction.

As for the grace of God… the apostle Paul taught in his epistles it is the action of God in bestowing His unfathomable riches upon the poor and where the poor, in response, become loyal servants to the one whom they received these blessings from.
Be careful here… this is not a prosperity gospel that I’m inferring. Paul was writing about the grace of God in context to middle- eastern culture norms.
It is man who is dead in his sin and whom Paul alludes to as “the poor”. God is the one whom bestows his grace (riches) upon the poor. But in return, Paul expects, as was the cultural norm, that we the poor, respond favorably back to God. Paul and Peter also wrote that we’ve been bought with a price- we are not our own. The false teacher does not respond favorably to God after receiving the riches of Christ.

To chastise many in this post for lack of fruit and applied grace is misguided and just as repulsive as the false teacher.

Anonymous said...

Biblical instruction is to guard against the false teacher both individually and corporately. Why? because they and their teaching brings about “destruction” upon individuals and the church. (2 Peter 2:1)
It is therefore total absurdity and outright negligence to call for “grace” concerning false teachers, prophets or whatever title you want to give. The body of Christ doesn’t run towards them in grace, with the goal to represent some misguided sense of Christian unity to new believers. The new believer should see us flea in the opposite direction avoiding our own destruction.
As for the grace of God… the apostle Paul taught in his epistles it is the action of God in bestowing His unfathomable riches upon the poor and where the poor, in response, become loyal servants to the one whom they received these blessings from.
Be careful here… this is not a prosperity gospel that I’m inferring. Paul was writing about the grace of God in context to middle- eastern culture norms.
It is man who is dead in his sin and whom Paul alludes to as “the poor”. God is the one whom bestows his grace (riches) upon the poor. But in return, Paul expects, as was the cultural norm, that we the poor, respond favorably back to God. Paul and Peter also wrote that we’ve been bought with a price- we are not our own. The false teacher does not respond favorably to God after receiving the riches of Christ.
To chastise many in this post for lack of fruit and applied grace is misguided and just as repulsive as the false teacher.

Anonymous said...

To the anonymous at Oct 19/7:30am, everything here seems "negative" to you, because it is primarily a discernment blog. If you want to hear something different, then you'd have to look elsewhere. What is wrong with that? Does everyone have to agree, and does everybody have to all say the same things?

This blog is a refreshing change from the brainwashed lockstep conformity of the so-called "Christian" community that is "not allowed" to expose anyone as false. And I can say, everybody exposed in this thread is indeed a false teacher. That doesn't mean there aren't true teachers. There are. But these guys are all false. And people need to know it, and the Bible says to expose them.

The majority of the New Testament is doctrinal instruction and correction of doctrinal error. If you don't like correction of doctrinal error, then you don't like the New Testament, for the majority of it, is that.

You'd have called Jesus and Paul haters for exposing the false teachers of their day.

Bible Believer said...

Do you think we WANT to DISMISS everyone?

Now think on that carefully.

I WANTED TO FIND GOOD SINCERE PASTORS who went against the herd.

I used to post Roger Oakland articles here even IN SUPPORT until I found out behind the scenes he was involved with Missler and there were many other things that made no sense and contradicted.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2011/10/will-any-calvary-chapel-pastors-or.html

Dave Hunt, loved his books, when I was a new Christian but how can someone like me figure out Missler was false and he could not?

Ken Silva, I have written the man myself YEARS ago, and did not receive any answers about the praise of Walter Martin, or other discrepancies there either. The SBC is so far gone its not funny too.

They are in the public eye because they tell people what they want to hear.They have the connections to be in the public eye. I believe at this point anyone REAL is not allowed to achieve a known stature. So we are to ignore what our eyes, and minds tell us?

Instead of worshipping man and the prideful and FAMOUS, why not take some of the questions seriously? Why do none of these men ever respond and explain, why do they always support other wolves?

I never claimed I was perfect. We are all in this world, we can make mistakes but with these guys, its not like they stumbled across Missler at a coffee shop, or WEREN'T TOLD. There are four blogs out there exposing MISSLER< on one of them the man running it even has said and show emails he sent to OAKLAND. NO CHANGE.
So you are telling me all of them remained ignorant and all their connections and dealings were by mistake?

Sure I can understand someone maybe slipping up, and being part of something where they do NOT YET REALIZE something. But many of these men are known enough there has been entire BLOGS and even books in some cases written about their errors and those they associate themselves with. People who are unwilling to face these problems or admit it, that is serious business. There is one online preacher I may write and warn about Ruckman. Now he may choose to listen or not.


I wrote long ago this is a DISCERNMENT blog, not a devotional blog. We are to trust no one but God Himself.

I don't mind telling new believers, that the church is fallen away and many preachers are false.

Grace is an abused word today, the "grace" of the false church is about enabling evil.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks both anons, yes biblical instruction is to guard against false teachers.

Also I think of this verse.
2 Timothy 3:13

But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Think about this, the Bible tells us they are worse.

By the way Anon of above, Missler teaches full blown occult things in his version of "Christianity". I wrote the Numerology article about this recently. You think it's easy to warn about these things, no it is not, but I'd rather people know the true rather then keeping them in the false positivity fog. Too many in American culture are brainwashed by the false "be positive" culture that has become about the enabling evil. I know many people may find this blog INTENSE but I am not here to conform to the world or make excuses for the false preachers. They get that all over, everyone bowing before their fame, instead of comparing God's Word to what they have to say.

Grace does not apply to false prophets, etc, anon you are right. It is not to be applied to those who make merchandise of people or lead millions to hell.
I HAVE told new believers that the church is fallen away, and all you can trust is God and Your Bible and compare everything to His Word.I am not going to play around, why would I want a newly saved person to go stumble around in Calvary Chapel. I have told others in the church system, I believe Lutheranism, sacraments, etc, are all false. This doesn't always make me the most popular person either.

Want to add to your good points too Anon, about grace---One thing Christians are not to seek after the "fruit" of this world. Many in the apostate church system see "grace" as a concept for the "nice", "plastic" "non-boat rockers" they claim that someone who doesn't have the numbers or the bennies to show in this world lack grace. That is one way the false teahers have corrupted even the idea of grace and God's blessings. They make it about this life and this world and ignore eternity.