Monday, July 15, 2013

Video: Thomas Horn: "Vatican Disinformation Agent" Deceiving You



Keep watching this one though it is longer, he has some interesting stuff and even asserts that "The Knights of Malta have infiltrated the Calvary Chapel denomination" which I definitely agree with. He is right about the Nephilim not being a Biblical doctrine and about those who have infiltrated the church.

See: Articles Warning About Tom Horn

29 comments:

Anonymous said...

Suggesting that the book of Enoch is a "great book" and should have been included in the canon of scripture... is to place himself as God's judge. It's not in the Bible because it doesn't belong there, and has no authority of the Holy Spirit.

Substituting one lie for another is still telling lies.
The King James Bible for example is absolutely 100% trustworthy and complete. Don't add to it, don't suggest it's faulty because it is missing something YOU think is missing. Clever deception on the part of this video maker.

"Nephil" Is accurately translated "giants" in the Authorized King James Bible. You can trust that.

He was right there is no such thing as human/angel hybrid things.

Anonymous said...

"He was right there is no such thing as human/angel hybrid things."

The bible says different.

Genesis 6:1-4

2Peter 2:4-5

Jude 1:6-7



Anonymous said...

That's an interesting remark about the Jesuit infiltration of Calvary Chapel. Their logo goes right along with that -- the Jesuit "diving dove."

Bible Believer said...

All these types push the book of Enoch like it's a great book. I knew someone caught up in the false Nephilim teachings who would try to assure me the book was falsely left out. I remember even occult books mentioning the book of Enoch as well as other gnostic gospels. I went to go read the book of Enoch wanting to see what was in there, read other gnostic gospels for a message board expose on Anne Rice and I knew right away via the Holy Spirit it was a false book. I couldn't even read it, it seemed evil. I skimmed parts and then quit. So anyone who starts that nonsense about the book of Enoch being a real book of scripture that should be in the Bible, RUN FAR AWAY!

That is why the Bible has the warnings about those who will add to it. I agree there are no angel hybrid things.

2 Peter 2:4-5 that could be the angels who simply teamed up with Satan.

Yes I am glad the man in the video is aware about the Jesuit infiltration of Calvary Chapel. The information definitely has gotten out there. Their involvement with Knights of Malta Boykin has said it all too. Don't forget this older article too.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/10/ecumenical-teachers-at-calvary-chapel.html

Anonymous said...

You are putting up a straw man. Not everyone who believes that fallen angels mated with humans cares about the book of Enoch. I use the bible as my evidence. You can't put everybody into the same boat.

"2 Peter 2:4-5 that could be the angels who simply teamed up with Satan."

No, that is only dealing with verse 4. Why does the very next verse add Noah to the mix after talking about angels that sinned? How did they sin? And why was Noah mentioned?

Besides, you did not deal with the other verses I mentioned.

Also, what does the bible mean when it says that Noah was "perfect in his generations"? Remember that it already calls him "just" a second before it says perfect generations, so they don't mean the same thing.

It all adds up to fallen angels mating with humans.


eric le debonnaire said...

To Anonymous :
Beware of false reasonings and quick conclusions.

verses 4 and 5 of 2 Peter 2 don't have to talk about the same thing.

Not more than verses 5 and 6 which talk of Noah and Sodome...

These are a list of various judgements upon ungodliness.

I Wonder who really is making strawman arguments ?

"perfect in his generations" .

Noah came from Seth's branch .
No Wonder God in the Old Testament forbade many times the Israelites to marry foreign spouses and to go after the practises and gods of the ungodly. Not (as would say the false Nephilim teachers) because of "DNA corruption" (which would affect only the physical) , but because of Ungodliness which corrupts the soul.

It is not completely written black on white , but the other branches of Adam & Eve (Cain and Seth 's brothers and sisters) followed Cain's way of ungodliness one by one, even Seth's lineage in the end seemed to have end up in ungodliness as only 8 persones were spared.

God ....spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the UNGODLY (2 Peter 2:5)

eric le debonnaire said...

To Anonymous :

verses 4 and 5 of 2 Peter 2 don't have to talk about the same thing.

Not more than verses 5 and 6 which talk of Noah and Sodome...

These are a list of various judgements upon ungodliness.

I Wonder who is putting up a strawman ?

"perfect in his generations" .

Noah came from Seth's branch .
No Wonder God in the Old Testament forbade many times the Israelites to marry foreign spouses and to go after the practises and gods of the ungodly. Not (as would say the false Nephilim teachers) because of "DNA corruption" (which would affect only the physical) , but because of Ungodliness which corrupts the soul.

It is not completely written black on white , but the other branches of Adam & Eve (Cain and Seth 's brothers and sisters) followed Cain's way of ungodliness one by one, even Seth's lineage in the end seemed to have end up in ungodliness as only 8 persones were spared.

God ....spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the UNGODLY (2 Peter 2:5

Anonymous said...

"verses 4 and 5 of 2 Peter 2 don't have to talk about the same thing.

Not more than verses 5 and 6 which talk of Noah and Sodome...

These are a list of various judgements upon ungodliness.

I Wonder who is putting up a strawman ?"

Definitely not me. Even verse 6 refers to Sodom and Gomorrha which connects back to jude 1:6-7. All are connected. It would make sense that they are mentioned together.

"Noah came from Seth's branch .
No Wonder God in the Old Testament forbade many times the Israelites to marry foreign spouses and to go after the practises and gods of the ungodly. Not (as would say the false Nephilim teachers) because of "DNA corruption" (which would affect only the physical) , but because of Ungodliness which corrupts the soul."

Lets look at the verse.

Genesis 6:9 "These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."

The first generations means descendants. Calling noah a "just man" is describing his spiritual condition. Then, when talking about him being "perfect in his generations", that has nothing to do with Seth. It means "without blemish". Nobodies family history is "perfect". But, your DNA can be. "Without blemish". The Seth claim is a stretch for me. It doesn't add up for me. This human intermarriage resulted in "giants and God was so upset with it that he destroyed the world.

Do you honestly think that the children of fallen angels and human beings would only be corrupt physically? That it would not change them spirtually? That it would not make them evil?

Besides, it uses the term giant, even saying that giants existed later on. Sinful humans would not create giants. Goliath( Almost 10 feet tall), The sons of Anak( made the Israelites look like grasshoppers), The Amorites, The Emim, The Zuzim, King OG of Bashan( his bed was 13.5 feet long and 6 feed wide). Along with other giants in the bible, real physical giants.

"God ....spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the UNGODLY (2 Peter 2:5"

Yes, those giants were ungodly.

eric le debonnaire said...

-> "verses 4 and 5 of 2 Peter 2 don't have to talk about the same thing. Not more than verses 5 and 6 which talk of Noah and Sodome... These are a list of various judgements upon ungodliness.
I Wonder who is putting up a strawman ?"


-->> Definitely not me. Even verse 6 refers to Sodom and Gomorrha which connects back to jude 1:6-7. All are connected. It would make sense that they are mentioned together.

--->>>    Maybe , maybe not. Anyway you have to prove when exactly it was that these angels left their first estate ,
And -as you make the bold claim that angels can mate with women and give birth to children- the burden of proof is on your camp to prove that ‘leaving their first estate’ means what you claim it means , and not something else like serving evil instead of God or shifting from the 3rd heaven to the 2nd one.

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-> "Noah came from Seth's branch . No Wonder God in the Old Testament forbade many times the Israelites to marry foreign spouses and to go after the practises and gods of the ungodly. Not (as would say the false Nephilim teachers) because of "DNA corruption" (which would affect only the physical) , but because of Ungodliness which corrupts the soul."

-->> Lets look at the verse. Genesis 6:9 "These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God." The first generations means descendants. Calling noah a "just man" is describing his spiritual condition. Then, when talking about him being "perfect in his generations", that has nothing to do with Seth. It means "without blemish". Nobodies family history is "perfect". But, your DNA can be. "Without blemish". The Seth claim is a stretch for me. It doesn't add up for me.

--->>> And to me angels and women producing babies is good sci-fi.
In all versions in my natural language (and one of them is older than any version you may use in English) there is none that could hint what you are saying about “being perfect physically”. This teaching of yours seems to be borderline gnostic. Jesus said to be perfect like the Father is perfect, it has nothing to do with physical perfection.

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eric le debonnaire said...

-->>  This human intermarriage resulted in "giants and God was so upset with it that he destroyed the world.

--->>> So it is with false teachings , it changes what God is saying in the Bible. The Bible says that God saw that the wickedness of MAN was great in the earth , and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only continually evil

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-->> Do you honestly think that the children of fallen angels and human beings would only be corrupt physically? That it would not change them spiritually? That it would not make them evil?

--->>>  honestly I am sorry but your questions do not make sense to me. Cain was evil without any help of any angel physical seed. I can’t answer your questions there , as I don’t believe the nonsense that angels can make babies to women.

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-->> Besides, it uses the term giant, even saying that giants existed later on. Sinful humans would not create giants. Goliath( Almost 10 feet tall), The sons of Anak( made the Israelites look like grasshoppers), The Amorites, The Emim, The Zuzim, King OG of Bashan( his bed was 13.5 feet long and 6 feed wide). Along with other giants in the bible, real physical giants.

--->>> Yes there were giants , before and after the flood. We can’t really compare to nowadays as the conditions of life did not seem to be the same. People lived until 800+ years. Even after the flood , people lived 500 then 400 years (Gen 11) , it took several generations after the flood so that God’ word (about the 120 years for man’s span life) came to pass. Genetic anomalies could be more spectacular than nowadays. Also just a thing to ponder, have you noticed that all giants after the flood came from Cham (Canaan)’s lineage. And Canaan was curse (Gen 9), wasn’t he ? Like Cain was..

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->"God ....spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the UNGODLY (2 Peter 2:5"

-->>Yes, those giants were ungodly.

--->>> Yes they were ungodly. They were men of flesh and blood and were ungodly and were destroyed like all other men of flesh and blood who were just as ungodly.

Jeff said...

2 Pet 2:4-5
Read the whole book of 2 Peter a few time, then read it all week long 1or 2 times every day. Get the context of the whole book. 2:15 is where you see the damnable heresy of the mixing of "God's chosen" with "the world" spoken of once again.
This is a sin, a vile sin in Gods eyes, SO damnable that He wiped out all flesh with a flood. The reason Angels are brought into the topic is seen in 2:11, They are greater than men...
Peter (soon to die) was reminding of his own closeness with the Lord, and hearing the Fathers voice from the excellent glory of heaven, and this to remind that his prophesy is sure or even more sure! Not made up! Take heed this is light! If the angles are judged who are greater than man, therefore these false teachers (servants of corruption) will face the severe judgment of God to the devils hell. NOTHING about angels breeding with anything, Man is judged for the sin of man against God. 3:3 brings Noah back in condemning willingly ignorant scoffers.

Jude 1:3 picks up this same idea and context.
False teachers are trying to corrupt the truth of the Gospel. "the faith which was once delivered unto the saints."

Before I go on, what is the Gospel?
The Lord Jesus Christ , Fully God and Fully Man in the flesh the perfect sinless Son is sent by the Father to become the sin God hates, that God can lay or count our sin on Him, and Jesus Himself died the physical death, His own blood being the only sacrifice acceptable to God for sin committed by us which has everlasting consequences. He died for our sin, was buried, and 3 days later physically rose again from the grave, has incorruptible flesh and is seated at the right hand of the Father now. (1 Cor 15) PETER and others saw this and we have record! We can be saved only by Jesus blood sacrifice (Him for us), and this we can accept and believe by faith. Our faith grows by reading the words He gave us: the Bible; written by His Holy Spirit who also indwells every believer who belongs to Him, who trust His Word and words and repents (or turn away from sin as evidence of work done by the Spirit). All sin brings physical death and everlasting death in hell, unless you have been redeemed from that future, by Jesus Himself.

2 Cor 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

NOTICE AGAIN----> "turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness"

1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
1:7
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

DO YOU SEE? There is a purposeful exhortation to not turn away from God. That is the topic. Not even angels are exempt. It has NOTHING to do with spirits physically mating with human flesh turning them into hybrid things. That is not the Gospel once delivered unto the saints, and is a devils doctrine of seduction. Run from it! Far from it, renounce it all, remove it from your links, fully repent of it. If you don't, you leave a door open for the devils.

Devils are held in chains of darkness and lie continually, the lies are hidden in plain sight so to speak, backwards of the truth. Read all of Jude!!! again!

Jeff said...

Gen 6:9
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

"generations" is used here as family history.
"just" is a legal term which carries the idea and definition of being righteous and law abiding lawful.
"perfect" [L. perfectus, perficio, to complete; per and facio, to do or make through, to carry to the end.] -Websters 1828

Noah had a clean family history, and he ***NOTICE---> walked with God.
(if you take nothing else from this,---, this disproves any kind of interbreeding of any kind; not with other "nations" or unbelievers and certainly not with angels.) Intermixing with other "nations" is a major problem and theme that the later Israelites (flesh people of God, even the flesh sons of God) face throughout the Bible. The Judgment and fierce anger and wrath of God against such is demonstrated here.

Note again, IF IF IF there was interbreeding with angels at all, AND this produced the Giants, AND Noah was NOT GUILTY of this crime at all, THEN this "race of giants or MEN of renown" would have been wiped out. But they are not wiped out and they do appear again later. Giants don't come from Noah, they do not come form interbreeding with angels, if this angel seed was carried in other members of the saved party, then God blundered it all and wiped out the world for nothing anyway. Don't you see the subtle connotations of the devil in this whole false doctrine of devils?

Flesh is being judged by the flood because flesh is corrupt. Angels are spirit and don't have flesh at all, let alone HUMAN flesh. Angels are spirit, fallen angels are spirit, all angels are spirit and are called spirit because they don't have flesh.

Hell is prepared for the devil and his angels, it is a lake of fire, it is the second judgment or second death, then spirit is dealt with like the earth was dealt with and it is final and complete and never ends.

Anon said; "It all adds up to fallen angels mating with humans."

Lets talk about "adding" for a second.
The mocking Sadducees wanted to do the same kind of math. You need to read Mt 22:23-32 for the context, but the conclusion you need to visit again is 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Not only "as the angels of God in heaven" BUT ALSO ----->>>>> "nor are given in marriage"

So who are these sons of God in Gen 4 who are being married?
6:2
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

FLESH. PEOPLE, -not spirits- (that don't have flesh) not fallen angels, not fallen spirits, they simply don't get married- evil spirits are rebels and wouldn't care about no rules so no "married or wives" -anyway- even if the spirits did somehow grow human flesh organs to mate with in their fallen state. Absurd according to the Bible. Devils are not called sons of God.

Notice the language in Gen6:? People and flesh are multiplying, and living a really long time. And they are mixing and mixing with each other, even those who follow God are in on it. The total depravity of this state is in complete rebellion against the God in who is faithful. Cain and Able... some did follow God for awhile and fell, the rest didn't follow Him and were the used that the others fell by. (that you find all over the Bible repeated over and over and is hated by God)

Don't forget that Jesus is the first FLESH begotten not a spirit but flesh. First means no others before Him.

Revelation 1:5,6 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks for your posts Jeff.

For those new to the blog, I went more in depth about the Nephilim HERE:

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/10/deceiving-you-with-aliens-and-nephilim.html

and more recently HERE [to the Nephilim defenders read the quotes by Alice Bailey:

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2013/07/more-on-nephilim-deception.html

Some questions to the Nephilim believers here.

1. Have you ever met a "hybrid"? Who do you think the hybrids are? Have you ever run into a hybrid? Do you think the elites are hybrids?

[be careful of going into David Icke territory...when he says lizards IMO he means possessed but wants you believe its BIOLOGICAL]

2. Did angels have any other children? Or just evil ones? One never hears about angels having children even "good ones" or with EACH OTHER. Matt 22:30 If angels can't breed with each other, why can they with mankind?

3. Where does the Bible tell us to watch out for Nephilim? We are told to watch out for SIN.

4. Isn't it convenient for the luciferians to have Christians focus on who has BAD DNA, instead of focusing on remaining holy? Can you see how this all could be used in the future where people would be told to do away with those who do not have "pure" DNA.

5. renowed does not automatically translate to GIANT of PHYSICAL STATURE, even the translation of the word isn't perfect. As Jeff pointed out, there could have been physical differences to humanity back then.

6. If DNA determined everything, what about those who become Christians out of occult or nonbelieving God-rejecting families?

7. Why do the Nephilim teachers focus on race-DNA, and biology instead of SIN?

and MOST IMPORTANTLY

8. Why as a UU-Theosophist into the occult did I know about "watchers" and human-spirit hybrids? Who was teaching me that and WHY? And why did I know SEE IT IN supposed "Christianity?" Why did my occult books praise the book of Enoch?

Why was THIS STUFF FAMILIAR TO ME to the point when I saw Missler, Horn, Raiders New Network, doing their thing, I thought I HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE?

OK KEEP READING...

Bible Believer said...


Here is an EXAMPLE......

{I DECIDED NOT TO POST LINK I GOT THIS QUOTE FROM, THEY HAVE DEMON NAMES ON THERE ETC but here is a quote and bookmarked it if anyone asks where I got this.|

LORDS OF THE OUTER SPACE....


"Some Witchcraft and Wiccan systems the Watchers are beings who guard portals that link worlds together. Within such systems they are viewed as a spiritual race, a set of deities, or as spirits of the four elements. The Watchers are associated with the four quarters of north, east, south, and west. In some Traditions the Watchers are associated with the four elements of earth, air, fire, and water. They are also linked to each solstice and equinox, as well as to a specific star.

In Charles Leland's book Aradia, or the Gospel of the Witches, he recounts the tale of "The Children of Diana, or how the fairies were born" in which it is stated that Diana created "the great spirits of the stars". In another legend titled "How Diana made the Stars and the Rain" Leland writes that Diana went "to the fathers of the Beginning, to the mothers, the spirits who were before the first spirit". Some Italian witches believe that the Grigori (Watchers) are such an ancient race and this reference may well speak of them.

Over half a century following Leland's works, Gerald Gardner wrote of the Watchers and their connection to Wicca. In Wiccan religion the Watchers are evoked at quarterly "Watchtowers" to guard and witness the rites performed before them. In some Traditions each new initiate is taken to the four quarters and formally introduced to each of the Watchers. The Watchers are known by many names including the Old Ones and the Dread Lords of the Outer Spaces."

[DEMONS basically]

But the doctrines of demon purveyors will say NEPHILIM

and tell you BIOLOGICAL.

So Christians will tremble and not even think to cast those demons OUT.

So they are taking Christians into TOTAL DOCTRINES OF DEMONS.




Anonymous said...

"Maybe , maybe not. Anyway you have to prove when exactly it was that these angels left their first estate ,
And -as you make the bold claim that angels can mate with women and give birth to children- the burden of proof is on your camp to prove that ‘leaving their first estate’ means what you claim it means , and not something else like serving evil instead of God or shifting from the 3rd heaven to the 2nd one."

I made no bold claims, I simply followed the bible (Genesis 6:1-4).
It is no more bold than anything else the bible says. Verse 4 connects the very real giants to the very real "sons of God" which is talking about angels. Also reference job 1:6. Old testament use of the term "sons of God" is always meant as angels. B'nai HA Elohim.

"And to me angels and women producing babies is good sci-fi."

That is an irrelevant and nonsensical statement. EVERYTHING in the bible could be construed as sci fi to an unbeleiever. But, as christians we know it is the truth.
Even the modern deception of ghost and aliens could be seen as sci fi, but it is real.

" In all versions in my natural language (and one of them is older than any version you may use in English) there is none that could hint what you are saying about “being perfect physically”. This teaching of yours seems to be borderline gnostic. Jesus said to be perfect like the Father is perfect, it has nothing to do with physical perfection."

Nothing "gnostic" about it, it is also very biblical. The hebrew word for "perfect" in that verse means "complete, or whole", or even "without blemish", it is in reference to health and physical condition.






Anonymous said...

"So it is with false teachings , it changes what God is saying in the Bible. The Bible says that God saw that the wickedness of MAN was great in the earth , and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only continually evil"

Absolutely. All humans were very wicked. They were very much sinners. Sinning is to disobey God. We all need salvation by Jesus from Sin. But, they were so evil for a reason, so sinful for a reason. Their DNA was manipulated. Satan knew that Jesus must come from a line that is 100 percent human to Save mankind. So what better way to try and stop this than to corrupt humanity? Man is made in Gods's image, Satan wanted to distort this. He still does.

Even today, in our fallen world there are many christians.And we have had alot longer to sin than Noah's day. But what happened in such a short time in Noah's day to make humanity so evil that God needed a flood to cleanse them? What made humanity so evil that only 8 could survive?

"honestly I am sorry but your questions do not make sense to me. Cain was evil without any help of any angel physical seed. I can’t answer your questions there , as I don’t believe the nonsense that angels can make babies to women."

Belief is irrelevant to the truth. Many people do not believe the bible.



Anonymous said...

Another thing that I should add is this, Job 4:13-18. This is a divine vision from Eliphas. Verse 18 says "Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly:"

"Folly" in the old testament describes sexual sin.

Also, for those who say that angels cannot have sexual relations because they are not human. Remember that in Sodom they appeared as men. Angels often become fleshly in the bible. Infact, angels who met with Abram ate steak, bread, butter, and milk. But angels don't need food. Yet, they could eat like men. What else could a fleshly fallen angel do if he wanted to?

I would argue that Genesis 6:1-4 tells us exatcly what they can do.

As does jude, going after "strange flesh".

God put them into chains, in darkness, as a warning to other angels who would try such an evil abomination again.

Anonymous said...

"1. Have you ever met a "hybrid"? Who do you think the hybrids are? Have you ever run into a hybrid? Do you think the elites are hybrids?"

Impossible to know. It would be nothing but speculation. I simply rely on Matthew 24:37. Satan is a great manipulator. Nobody but God could possibly know all of his tricks. I am a fallible human being. I do find it odd tho, that these Satanic beings that pretend to be aliens, who "abduct" people always seem to want to experiment with human sexuality.

2. "Did angels have any other children? Or just evil ones? One never hears about angels having children even "good ones" or with EACH OTHER. Matt 22:30 If angels can't breed with each other, why can they with mankind?"

I would assume that since it is the will of God that angels do not have marriage or sexual relations, then only fallen angels would have had these "children". The Angels of God would not. Remember, these are fallen angels we are talking about, who willfully ignore God's rules. But, angles can appear in the flesh, and they have eaten food.

"3. Where does the Bible tell us to watch out for Nephilim? We are told to watch out for SIN."

Yes, we should watch out for sin, for it is sin that ultimately brings us to this kind of abomination. First, Satan rebelled, then the fallen angels, then man. Sin is what caused fallen angels. Sin is what caused them to mate with humans. Sin is what caused the humans to go along with it. Sin brought about God's flood on the earth. Altho, I would argue God judged the earth earlier in Genesis 1:1-2. But, the gap is another issue.

Anonymous said...

"4. Isn't it convenient for the luciferians to have Christians focus on who has BAD DNA, instead of focusing on remaining holy? Can you see how this all could be used in the future where people would be told to do away with those who do not have "pure" DNA."

I don't know what devil has planned. I certainly see those in Satan's camp manipulating the truth for their purposes, yes.

"5. renowed does not automatically translate to GIANT of PHYSICAL STATURE, even the translation of the word isn't perfect. As Jeff pointed out, there could have been physical differences to humanity back then."

I don't know about renowned, but I know about the word giant. The bible calls them giants. It also says that giants were also on the earth later on. Obviously, it was referring to physical giants, because of the verses describing the size of giants. The hebrew term gibborim describing the giants in Genesis is also used to describe Goliath. Obviously Goliath was a real giant. Almost 10feet tall. These "renowned" men may even be part of the reason for various myths and legends, god men and greek stories.

"6. If DNA determined everything, what about those who become Christians out of occult or nonbelieving God-rejecting families?"

The problem is, you are talking about human DNA. You are not talking about Fallen angel DNA. Occult families are still 100 percent human. God can save HUMANS no matter what. Perhaps those giants of old were not capable of accepting salvation, or did not want it. God never offers salvation to angels. I don't know.

"7. Why do the Nephilim teachers focus on race-DNA, and biology instead of SIN?"

Who said that they ALL do this? You are lumping everyone together. It's like non christians who lump all christians together.










Anonymous said...

"8. Why as a UU-Theosophist into the occult did I know about "watchers" and human-spirit hybrids? Who was teaching me that and WHY? And why did I know SEE IT IN supposed "Christianity?" Why did my occult books praise the book of Enoch?"

Even the apostate catholic church teaches some truth. But who said anything about watchers or the book of Enoch? I simply used the bible. I have seen occult books that praise Jesus. The mormons promote Jesus. The object is to mix the truth with lies. It is to confuse you.

"Why was THIS STUFF FAMILIAR TO ME to the point when I saw Missler, Horn, Raiders New Network, doing their thing, I thought I HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE?"

Don't know, I don't follow any of those people.

"But the doctrines of demon purveyors will say NEPHILIM

and tell you BIOLOGICAL.

So Christians will tremble and not even think to cast those demons OUT.

So they are taking Christians into TOTAL DOCTRINES OF DEMONS."

What is with all these assumptions? Who said that you should get involved with "watchers"? Who said that you can't cast demons out? I also prefer the term giants over nephilim since the KJV uses giants.

You assume that because one person is a false teacher then EVERYBODY must be.

I think that the reason that they talk about these watchers as aliens is because that is exactly what the fallen angels wish to come off as. Aliens, ghosts, spirit advisers, sightings of weird animals like bigfoot, communicating with the dead, etc. etc. It is all a game.

Who is to say that the antichrist will not appear as an alien? An alien with the ability to solve all of mankinds problems. A great deception?





eric le debonnaire said...

=> I made no bold claims, I simply followed the bible (Genesis 6:1-4).
It is no more bold than anything else the bible says. Verse 4 connects the very real giants to the very real "sons of God" which is talking about angels. Also reference job 1:6. Old testament use of the term "sons of God" is always meant as angels. B'nai HA Elohim.

==>> I have already been taught by the Holy Spirit of Truth on that , and I will trust God and not go backwards. You should really study Genesis 4 and 5, that helps a lot to understand what Genesis 6 is saying.

=> That is an irrelevant and nonsensical statement. EVERYTHING in the bible could be construed as sci fi to an unbeleiever. But, as christians we know it is the truth.

==>> Believers born of God have the Spirit of God who does not teach like man teaches with his own imagination.. We can know that many things in the Bible are true for we have received the Witness of the Truth, who shall be with us into eternity. We can know that the Resurrection is Truth , and so forth. Not relying on the natural intelligence and imagination. The Pre-Tribbers also claim what they teach is truth, when it's not.


=> Nothing "gnostic" about it, it is also very biblical. The hebrew word for "perfect" in that verse means "complete, or whole", or even "without blemish", it is in reference to health and physical condition.

==>> That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish (Eph 5:27)

Will you say that all in the Church should be physically perfect ? People bought and redeemed by the blood of Jesus , who have no legs or arms , or who may die of a sickness etc… can be part in the New Jerusalem where are those made unto perfection.

The teaching of physical perfection is heretical.

=> Absolutely. All humans were very wicked. They were very much sinners. Sinning is to disobey God. We all need salvation by Jesus from Sin. But, they were so evil for a reason, so sinful for a reason. Their DNA was manipulated. Satan knew that Jesus must come from a line that is 100 percent human to Save mankind. So what better way to try and stop this than to corrupt humanity? Man is made in Gods's image, Satan wanted to distort this. He still does.

==>> Satan still does what ?
Is there still angels mating with women ? If you answer yes , are you not contradicting what you have said elsewhere , and if you say no , that means you already know that satan does not need angels mating with women to corrupt the human race.
You say they were so evil for a reason. I say they were not more sinful than the guys in Sodom. The only difference is that the judgement in Sodom and the other cities was local, while in the flood it was global. They were not more evil than the alast generations of human beings who shall face the Wrath to come on the earth, and this Wrath against them will have nothing to do with fallen angels or aliens .
It seems that for you , the only unforgivable sin with no hope of possible redemption , is to be an offspring of angels+women, when the Bible says already what is the unforgivable sin. Jesus was speaking to heirs of Abraham in the flesh, who were sons of the Evil one. Men do not need to have a corrupt DNA to rebel against God. And by the way the angels who rebelled against God had no DNA corruption problems.

eric le debonnaire said...

=> Even today, in our fallen world there are many christians. And we have had alot longer to sin than Noah's day. But what happened in such a short time in Noah's day to make humanity so evil that God needed a flood to cleanse them? What made humanity so evil that only 8 could survive?

==> You are wrong. Read Genesis 4 and 5. What happened in Noah’s time did not happened in a short time. It was very gradual. Otherwise the evil you are describing would not have spread on the whole earth and reach so many human beings. It would have taken more than one generation. And how is it that there were again giants after the flood ?

=> Another thing that I should add is this, Job 4:13-18. This is a divine vision from Eliphas. Verse 18 says "Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly:"
"Folly" in the old testament describes sexual sin.

==>> Seriously , who can take you seriously on that one ?

=> Also, for those who say that angels cannot have sexual relations because they are not human. Remember that in Sodom they appeared as men. Angels often become fleshly in the bible. Infact, angels who met with Abram ate steak, bread, butter, and milk. But angels don't need food. Yet, they could eat like men. What else could a fleshly fallen angel do if he wanted to?

==>> Do you think that angels can do what they want ? They were not even created on the same day than man and animals.
All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. [1 Cor 15:39-40 ]. Celestial bodies and flesh bodies can have babies together ? very nice fable !
This teaching borders on blasphemy towards God, because it depicts Him as very stupid and inconsequent.
It is MAN ‘s sin which grieves God in Genesis 6, not angels !

=> I would argue that Genesis 6:1-4 tells us exactly what they can do. As does jude, going after "strange flesh".

==>> Jude was speaking of homosexuality and probably bestiality too. God did not judged them for wanting to go after the angels , for they were already judged for going after strange flesh.

=> God put them into chains, in darkness, as a warning to other angels who would try such an evil abomination again.

==>> Remember there were again giants after the flood , and this in more than one generation after the flood. So either God is incompetent and his warning failed , or of course what you say is entirely false, except for the fact it was indeed a warning and an example , but not for the reason you give.

Jeff said...

There are some good point you made Bible Believer! Here is something more.

Anon said;

.....Their DNA was manipulated. Satan knew that Jesus must come from a line that is 100 percent human to Save mankind. So what better way to try and stop this than to corrupt humanity? Man is made in Gods's image, Satan wanted to distort this. He still does......


The Bible says:
Mt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Lk 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.


Jesus is born of a Virgin, -no human seed-, no "bloodline". 100% God. 100% Man. 100% Sinless. ("house of" but not "blood of")

Man is "100% corrupt" already since the fall of Adam, all on his own and continues to prove it.

You are teaching another false gospel with the hybrid thing.

Even if you consider Websters definition,

"Giant" - (Webster's 1828 Dictionary)

GI'ANT, n. [L. gigas; Gr. probably from the earth. The word originally signified earth-born, terrigena. The ancients believed the first inhabitants of the earth to be produced from the ground and to be of enormous size.]

Earth-born, not fallen angel hybrids.

Just for fun, knowing that these English words are not Hebrew nor from Hebrew but Greek... translated perfectly accurate in the KJB...

"sons of God" follow God, they are not rebels of God. Even in the OT passage [Job 38:7] that does talk about angels, but it doesn't call *fallen angels* ^"sons of God"^ @ANYPLACE@ they wouldn't be praising God now would they... no, they curse Him and tremble at Him. (like the devil using his wife tried Job 2:9)


Jn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Phil 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1 Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.




BTW Mormons teach gods have spirit babies. Their god lives on Kolab with his multiple wives and they produce an endless stream of spirit babies ready to inhabit the flesh of humans. NOT even they claim spirits have "relations" with humans. (their gods have flesh bodies that produce spirit babies)

Bible Believer said...

Here is a point I want to make this NEPHILIM stuff is like those who seek the KINGDOM OF GOD ON THIS EARTH. They don't seek after righteousness in JESUS CHRIST or HOLINESS OR PURITY IN HIM, but via the BODY, PURE DNA. It is very GNOSTIC at the root, and goes along with a wicked society that has turned the BODY into the most important thing about DNA.

The question becomes ARE YOU PURE VIA DNA?

NOT PURE IN JESUS CHRIST. NOT PURITY OF HEART.

Bible Believer said...

It is total Gnosticism. Remember you are talking to an ex-UU Theosophist, I remember the nonsense I had preached to me, and the Alice Baileys and Theosophists of the world literally worshiped the whole Neitzche thing where PERFECT BODIES were so important, where human beings sought IMMORTALITY [not the kind that was to come via God and eternal life]. Where do you think all that "super-man" nonsense came from?

Bible Believer said...

The apostate Catholic church does not teach SOME TRUTH.

They teach a false jesus and a false gospel. Be careful of those who teach you to embrace HALF TRUTHS.

You are right the occultists praise jesus too, so you better be careful you have the right JESUS. Not the false jesus of Mormonism, or Alice Bailey's Christ, etc.

Hate to say it but with the Nephilim teachers, and the ones who are knowing deceivers, they can cover a lot of evil claiming they are born again Christians, think about it.

If a bunch of BIOLOGICAL or HALF BIOLOGICAL Nephilims are running around the planet, how do you cast them out if they are NOT WHOLLY SPIRITS AKA DEMONS?

Just a question.

There are a LOT of false teachers. In fact when I started this blog many told me, how on earth can you see so many as false. But sorry they are. And the Bible talks about how their numbers will increase in the last days.

Do you realize how the Bible warns of STARS, and DEMONS/FALLEN ANGELS?

Acts 7:43
Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

Think about that one.

and now they got the world believing that the universe is full of BIOLOGICAL LIFE. AKA DEMONS

See where I am going with that one?

Bible Believer said...

"But, they were so evil for a reason, so sinful for a reason. Their DNA was manipulated. "

Blaming sin on DNA?

Can you see where that one can head?

They were sinful because they worshipped DEMONS, and in ancient biblical times, even sacrified their children to them.

The Bible tells us none is good, so are you trying to tell me if someone has bad DNA, this means more of a propensity to sin?

I know the Nephilim teachers tell people God had the Israelites do away with different pagan peoples because of their adulterated DNA, but they ignore the human sin and evil. Here too everything has to do with BIOLOGY.

Numbers 13:32
And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.

Bible Believer said...

"But, they were so evil for a reason, so sinful for a reason. Their DNA was manipulated. "

Blaming sin on DNA?

Can you see where that one can head?

They were sinful because they worshipped DEMONS, and in ancient biblical times, even sacrified their children to them.

The Bible tells us none is good, so are you trying to tell me if someone has bad DNA, this means more of a propensity to sin?

I know the Nephilim teachers tell people God had the Israelites do away with different pagan peoples because of their adulterated DNA, but they ignore the human sin and evil. Here too everything has to do with BIOLOGY.

Numbers 13:32
And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.

Do you think human beings can't become that evil? The human propensity for evil even in modern times, has shown itself.
So even if there were only 8 people holy enough for God to save, it makes sense to me. Look now and realize how few are even truly born again among humanity.

Bible Believer said...

I can see this demon directed world, doing more with the genomes and such, human DNA, and making a tiered society even according to that, one can see it in health care even now to an extent in Western cultures. They will determine who is pure and who is not, and focus on PHYSICAL PERFECTION. Don't we have that going now already?

and then those who focus on PHYSICAL PERFECTION instead of SPIRITUAL PERFECTION VIA JESUS CHRIST in HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS will have fooled many for Satan!

I agree Jesus helped many who were severely ill, missing limbs etc. The teaching of physical perfection lies within GNOSTICISM too.

The human race is corrupted via sin. Not corrupted via "bad DNA".
I agree about God's wrath having nothing to do with Nephilims etc.

I am thinking more about this, how much of the BIble is dimissed when people teach evil came to this world via the fallen angels mating with women, instead of via SIN.

This is a great line too...

"It seems that for you , the only unforgivable sin with no hope of possible redemption , is to be an offspring of angels+women, when the Bible says already what is the unforgivable sin."

I totally agree.

That is one thing I asked some Nephilim believers once, what if someone is this offspring, there is totally no hope? I wonder if there is a touch of Calvinism in the Nephilim model, there you are born to die and go to hell because "Daddy" supposedly was a fallen angel.

I once met one who was so out there, he claimed anyone with German or Hungarian ancestry had Nephilim blood and was on the way to hell no matter what they did. Others have pointed to "gingers", Indians from India, red heads. Etc. Etc.

Mind-blowing stuff, and now we got these false teachers focusing on the corrupt DNA. I agree 'men do not need to have corrupt DNA to rebel against God'. That's right the fallen angels didn't have corrupt DNA to rebel!



I agree about the use of FOLLY always meaning sexual sin being a HUGE STRETCH.


Thanks for this verse.

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Too many of the nephilim believers follow occult writings where they refer to the fallen angels as the "sons of god".

There is definite overlap with Mormonism with these teachings.