Saturday, May 11, 2013

Those who Try To Claim the New Testament Has Different Gospels



There are actually false teachers out there who teach that Paul brought a "new gospel", believe it or not. I have even read blogs, where there are so called "Christians" who reject ALL the teachings of Paul and play parcel it out with the New Testament.

Can any of you make sense of this?




I think those who want to claim that Paul taught something "new" from Jesus Christ seriously want to muddy the waters and add confusion. Obviously they are using a false bible above too.

All the dispensationalist talk above speaks for itself too, this is dispensationalism used to advance more false teachings.

Jesus Christ taught the gospel of grace as well, it is one seamless whole gospel. Aren't there verses about it being ONE GOSPEL to deal with such a development? I believe this deception is called the TWO GOSPEL OR BI-GOSPEL THEORY. When I heard about it, I remember being surprised.

Basically the gambit is that Paul taught a new gospel in addition to Jesus. God led Paul to witness to the Gentiles and to emphasize grace, but this was NOTHING NEW as far as Jesus was concerned, it was the same gospel Jesus taught.

Here is another example of a false teacher teaching this:

Did Paul Preach a Different Gospel?
"Whereas, the disciples taught faith in the Christ as the Son of God and commandment-keeping as their standard for righteousness, Paul revealed a message of trusting the function of the death and resurrection for justification"
Where on earth did the other apostles or Jesus all teach commandment keeping for salvation? That is a deception if I ever have seen one!

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Considering what they write, I know these folks are out to deceive! Why? Because when I was UU, the freethought crowd and UUs, always claimed that Paul had introduced NEW TEACHINGS separate from Jesus Christ and that he was the true INVENTOR of Christianity which they said disproved it's reality!

Those who claim there are different gospels in the New Testament are WRONG!

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

The MO of Satans attack against God number 1. Bring doubt on the words of God (especially the KJB).

Attack number 2. Bring doubt on the deity of Christ.

This particular thing you wrote here is really typical of "messianic Jews", and they will tell you that you can't even trust the name "Jesus", you need a whole new bible that fixes all the mistakes, and you need to follow the law to be saved.

Synagogue of Satan...

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Anonymous said...

This is not traditional dispensationalism that teaches this. It is an extreme version that the run of the mill dispensationalist would not agree even falls in the category of dispensationalism.

That is like a Christian saying, "there are people that believe that Jesus is lucifer's brother!", but it is obvious to in-the-know Christians, that mormonism is not Christian.

Likewise, these guys you talk about in your article, are not accepted by traditional dispensationalists. You found some fringe characters that nobody accepts but themselves.

It isn't fair to "regular" dispensationalists, to lump these guys in with dispensationalists, no matter what they call themselves. Mormons call themselves Christians too, but we know that they are not Christians. Same principle at work here.

If you don't see this, then you create a straw man based on bias, not on reality of what most dispensationalists believe. Most dispensationalists reject these guys right off the bat.

William Saunders said...

There used to be someone that would write me in encouragement until one day the person started telling me that Paul was Satan.

This person provided the websites to support the claim only to see they were satanic.

The Holy Spirit gave the Gospel of Jesus Christ through the Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:1-11

1 Corinthians 15:1-11 – “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

5 And that He was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

6 After that, He was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

7 After that, He was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

8 And last of all He was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and His grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.”

Bible Believer said...

Anon #1

Yes this definitely is a Satanic attack on God's Word. Some just claim Paul brought a new gospel while others throw out everything he wrote [in the New Testament]

I agree with you there is overlap here with the sacred name movement and Hebrew Roots. There are some Jews who converted to be Christians who are true, but I have noticed that in many of the Messianic Jewish sects, a focus on the law, everyone who doesn't use "Yeshua" or Yahshua is supposedly going to hell, etc etc.
Those are often the Judasizers Paul warned about so their next step of course would be throwing out Paul's words and a huge part of scripture or taking the middle way of claiming Paul had a "new gospel".

Bible Believer said...

#2 Anon

No its not all dispensationalists.

Course what is a TRADITIONAL dispensationalist anymore?

Even the "mainstream" ones are going to some pretty serious crazy places. Christian Zionism is enough of an huge error alone in itself.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2011/01/those-who-want-temple-rebuilt.html

I used to think the temple rebuilding nonsense and millennialism where they expect Jesus's kingdom to be right here on earth in Jerusalem was "fringe" type of stuff but discovered it really wasn't. Most of them believe it and there are other crazy stuff too like believing temple sacrifices will be reinstituted.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2011/01/insane-teaching-animal-sacrifices-will.html

I have seen dispensationalists defend some really horrible stuff.

If anything the dispensationalists even in the mainstream apostate church are following crazier and crazier stuff.

Bible Believer said...

William

I saw entire message boards taken over by those pushing falseness regarding Paul. Guess this one would work for the infiltrators. Some may think this is "fringe" of the fringe, but I have seen it with several people online. I knew Sherry Shriner was false almost the first day I saw her website but the rejection of Paul, was one of those signs. She is "fringe" but there are people learning this two-gospel nonsense in otherwise mainstream evangelical churches. Thanks for that verse. Another proof text that Jesus and Paul taught the same gospel!

Anonymous said...

You have a bias against dispensationalism, which is just the literal reading of Scripture. The people in this article are not dispensationalists. A person is evil to you if they believe that the Lord gave Israel to the Jewish people? What a worldly view you have, then. Every liberal and muslim agrees with you.

Anonymous said...

To anon with the bias toward dispensational futurist interpretation I would suggest two things; watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDL-bz-eA7E and personally research the roots of dispensationalism before John Nelson Darby to find where the teaching comes from. We all must deal with our biases, but the truth is to be found if you will seek. - Don

Anonymous said...

Not interested in your video, anon. I won't watch it. I'll read the Bible and take it literally, and go with the Word of God, not a biased youtube video.

William Saunders said...

Throwing out the Apostle Paul throws out Luke who affirmed Paul in the Book of Acts which Luke authored.

Throwing out Luke throws out Jesus.

Jesus said that His sheep hear His voice in John 10:27 -

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me"

The people who throw Paul out don't hear the voice of Jesus. They might think they do, but it's "another voice, another Jesus". They are listening to someone else.

Luke recorded the conversation Jesus had with Paul in Acts 9.

Like I said, if you throw Paul out you ultimately have to throw Jesus out using their own reasoning.

Either one hears Jesus' voice or one doesn't, it's that simple.

Jesus IS the Word of God, all 66 books (there is actually 70 books because Psalms is actually 5 books).

gracefaithjesus said...

I've come across this one a few times also :(

Jesus said: none are good but God.

Paul said: by the deeds of the law shall no flesh be justified and all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

Jesus said: He who believes on me is not condemned

Paul said: Therefore there is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus.

Jesus said: You can do nothing without me.

Paul said: I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Jesus said: Unless ye be born again you cannot see the kingdom of God.

Paul said: If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, He is none of His.

Also, much thanks to you William. I've always wondered why God chose 66 books when His number of completeness is usually 70.

I did not know that the book of Psalms is really five books in one - taking the number of books in the Bible to 70.

That.is.awesome :)

Thanks for the post, Bible believer.

Bible Believer said...

Anon above, make sure you are READING the Bible and not just getting snippets from dispensationalist teachers. Remember I believed in the pre-Trib Rapture etc, until I was reading the Bible and knew things weren't adding up.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks gracefaithjesus

I think 70 makes more sense too. That is something new to me about Psalms being 5 books.

Anonymous said...

@ Dispensational Anon

Its ok to disagree. No one is attacking you for disagreeing. However, if you do disagree with one's interpretation of scriptures, I suggest that you do so in a manner of meekness.

Have a blessed day

-JL

Bible Believer said...

Thanks JL.

Anonymous said...

Paul was the only one who taught of grace. The ones like Peter were teaching the Kingdom gospel. They knew nothing os Jesus's future death, burial and ressurection. Even when Jesus told them, they wwere confused.

Now a person must be saved by the death, burial, and ressurection, but that was not always the gospel. Paul even calls it, "my" gospel because he was the first to teach it.

Anonymous said...

The fact is, it was IMPOSSIBLE for the other disciples to teach what Paul was teaching about grace and the cross. They did not know of it. There was the Kingdom gospel and now the grace gospel which we are saved under.

Anonymous said...

I want to add this also.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

That is Paul's gospel, Our christian gospel of grace. But the others, like Peter or John, they never taught this gospel. How could they have? They taught that one was saved by simply believing on Christ as the son of God, the messiah. He is still that ofcourse, but we must also believe in the Cross and the blood. We must accept Jesus's death, burial, and resurrection to be saved.

Peter was not saved by accepting the cross, because he knew nothing of it. So how are there not two gospels?

Matthew 4:23 "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people."

Gospel of the Kingdom. Not the gospel of the Cross.

The disciples were both confused when Jesus told them about his coming death and even after. Paul wasn't. Peter also said that Paul's gospel was hard to understand. Why was it if they taught the same thing?





Anonymous said...

Galatians 2;16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.... I seen the author of that blog trying to explain the difference between the faith OF Jesus, and faith IN jesus, so I emailed him Galatians 2:16, which explains by believing IN Jesus Christ, you are justified by the faith OF Jesus Christ. And then asked him the difference between that and what Jesus Christ himself taught. God bless

Anonymous said...

I still haven't heard from him on the Galatians 2:16 verse.-James