Monday, February 11, 2013

"Where is the positivity"? The Tyranny of "Positive Thinking"




LOL someone asked me on a comment I did not post...

"Where is the positivity?"


This made me laugh in a way but it is also very serious, because you see there is now a message out there, that one must always be wholly positive. What is ironic about that is Jesus Himself spoke of the brood of vipers in Matt 23, there are also endless verses in the Bible describing horrific events, wars, warning against evil, etc. So where did these people all get the idea that it is a sin to talk about anything negative?

What is funny is they will always pair this with the exhortation that you need to reach out to others. Hate to say it but suffering people will not go to those people who condemn them for crying but will go to those who will show compassion.  Even if you write nearly a dozen articles about the poor, or include salvation messages interspersed throughout, that is not enough for some, because you dared to talk about things that were real.  Hey I didn't I already admit this was NOT a devotional blog? I know there are some hard truths here, that was the main focus of the blog to begin with.

One thing too in many false churches they water things down denying spiritual warfare and discipleship and this is done via the "Be Positive" or else messages.  Often such types will claim you never witness when you do or "reach" out to anyone in real life, which makes no sense, because how do they know what you are doing off line?

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!


You've all seen it. The whole THINK POSITIVE message. It's not just relegated to the back aisles of the Human Potential movement or the New Age movement anymore. It's mainstream. Think positive, never allow any "bad thoughts" to enter your head, never think about reality. Deny that death, pain and suffering in this life even exists. Have you met folks like this? I sure have. They almost require you to put a plastic mask on your face with a fake smile. You can be dying of several diseases, and be told that you are a "bummer" if one faint whimper escapes your lips. 


The Tyranny of "positive thinking" has entered the churches and it's growing worse. What is the tyranny of Positive thinking? Well it is based in the New Age, you supposedly "create your own reality" by what you think. What is sad is the mantras of the New Age long ago hit the mainstream as you see websites, and more that tell people to focus on being "positive" and that to even name one negative thing means you are a "bad" person who deserves to suffer.

I believe the global elites have pushed this "positive thinking" nonsense which has roots in Hinduism and Buddhism, and false teachings regarding karma, so anyone who faces hardship is seen as having created that hardship in the first place. Hey they sheepdipped me into false karma thinking when I was a UU Theosophist.

Also one huge trend, is make everyone think that life is to be nothing but one giant race for carrots on the stick with no thinking, no rest, and with the giant whip of conformity always at their back. Ever notice that so many today feel guilty if they are not running around night and day, getting things done or working on "accomplishments" or measuring up to "perfect" standards of career, and possessions and lives? Try listening to some wise older people who remember life before all this stuff took hold! Why do people think BUSY automatically means GOOD? Yes the Bible warns against idle hands, but we are entering "running to and fro" territory.

So people who lose jobs from the failing economy are seen as not being proactive or positive enough and those who get sick, or having other bad things happen are seen as at "fault". This is a win-win for the elite when people think everything that happens to them in life is an outcome of personal "choices".  I wrote about this on this article to an extent:

Rejecting the Marshmallow Philosophers: It's all about "ME" and "MY CHOICES"


This is one huge giant stick that has been used to beat the suffering in this world and I believe one aspect of modern culture that has canceled out compassion. After all if everyone is responsible for their "own reality", that means they are responsible for everything bad that has happened to them.  This is a message too that tells the human being you can CONTROL everything, and leads to no dependence on God.

This is why members of the Hindu religion can walk by streets of "untouchables" who suffer and believe that is their "fate" in life because that is where they placed by things they neglected to do or sins in "prior lives". Trust me during my UU days, I knew what it is was like to face severe hardships and told that my negative outcomes were my "own doing" and that if I "thought" the correct thoughts" that life would instantly change for the better. While people starved and slept on stoops just streets away, the UUs would collect recycling money and funds for far away countries. Yes the Bible tells us Proverbs 23:7 7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee., but it also tells us that it rains both on the just and unjust.



A secular author, who I disagree with wholeheartedly on politics and must warn is not a Christian, is absolutely correct in how positive thinking has helped to undermine America, as all the focus on the positives ignored growing economic and other realities. This author, Barbara Ehrenreich, got breast cancer and ended up being told she was too negative for expressing fears regarding this disease.  There is a lot of weirdness out there regarding health too this stuff impacts where disease is always seen as a result of "choices" as well and people told to EMBRACE their illness.  It was a wake up call for her. [Added warning: Barbara Ehrenreich: She is a liberal academic who does REJECT Christianity, so I am using these sources to explain the forced positivity, her solutions I do not agree with nor her religious stances and political ideas.]

Watch this video and notice how she describes the impact of this on American culture and points out the false beliefs such as one can change the physical world with their thoughts. The remark about Quantum Physics reminded me of some of what is being taught from the Missler camp. She is right in saying that " delusion is always a mistake." She is correct about how even in the American corporate world that naming the elephant in the room or that anyone who tried to raise problems was dismissed. She mentions how WILLFUL ignorance is chosen and how no one can think bad thoughts. It is cruel. Interesting if you apply this to the church and religion world right?



She mentions the people who suffer under the "think positive" stick, who are told even if they have great difficulties, it is all due to their attitude! The moral callousness she mentions when it comes to the book "The Secret" is true. I saw this moral callousness while full deep into the UU church, there were many who definitely believed that good things came to "good" people and "bad" things came to bad people. When people believe that way, there is no reaching out to others, no helping the poor. 

This goes well beyond the biblical edicts of judging by the fruits, if those methods were applied to even the apostles many of whom died in prison, or who were martyred, what would be the worldly assumptions as I have said before?  The New Age author of "The Secret" claiming the tsunami victims in 2004 were sending out negative vibrations to the universe is nothing new to me. She is right about the opposite side also being delusion and a call for realism. Of course I do not agree about the denials regarding fixed truth or statements regarding collective power. She is correct about how people are told to smile, "get with the program" which deletes any dissent.
EW: You write a lot about how positive thinking is in all aspects of life. Do you think this is the most insidious about it -- this idea of a disease being your fault?
BE: I look at it with a little bit of sociological detachment. It's a brilliant system of social control. When bad things happen to people you say, "Well, it's really your attitude that has to change."




She is right, it is used for social control. It has led to a nation of blissed out, deluded people who have watched even core freedoms taken away, doing away even with rights mandated by the Magna Carta 800 years ago, who live in a mostly manufactured reality. Who deny the realities of suffering, death, and other things going on all around them. Who have closed down their own emotions in response to all the indoctrination. God gave human beings brains to use, not empty out seeking after a false dream world. And one SIGN of America's departure from God, is the choosing of a FANTASY DREAM WORLD over reality. What do you think makes Disney World so popular where people are told that is the place where "dreams come true". Do you see how putting people in the state of denying obvious reality has worked for the power brokers?

What happens in a world where one is told they must be positive or else or where being positive is used as a stick to beat upon the suffering or one's who speak the truth?

What happens in churches where people are told that if they bring up anything negative, they are wrong? Doesn't this help the false preachers retain even more control where every dissenter can be thusly labeled a "negative Nancy" or a trouble maker?

What happens in groups of "Christians" where some have been told that Christians can only talk about certain topics and cannot talk about what is happening in the world? I believe there is a false Christianity of shut eyes, and where natural emotions are to be sequestered under plastic smiles out there. One can see this "phony" Christianity in some churches, where "Christianity" has become a subculture of conformity rather then real people in a true and honest relationship with God and each other. When you see "sub-cultures" and "appearances" emphasized that is when you should be wary. Why is there so much desire for censorship in those circles? One thing too, false feigned happiness and positivity stinks, it is not real, it is not the real joy of being in Jesus Christ where even in the worse trials, you can smile thinking of your blessed hope in Him.

Isn't one supposed to have an honest conversation with God? Where you can pray to God about your kidney stones or your friend who died, or pray for a family on the economic abyss who just saw a job opportunity fall through due to a car breaking down? A honest relationship with God means being honest, and that means including ALL of yourself and ALL of your life. What if I told you that facing how hard the hard stuff really is,  gives more joy in God? Would you think I am crazy? No that is how I see it. One thing about pain and suffering it can bring one closer to God. Read Chapter 42 in Job. Job 42: 5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. Some reach out to God in suffering even to be brought to salvation.

Psalm 119:71 It is good for me that I have been afflicted; that I might learn thy statutes.

For those who think being a Christian is about appearing "nice", the appearance of religiosity, there is little "getting real".  2 Timothy 3:5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.  And yes Philipians 4:8 says to think upon things which are good, but this does mean on the other hand to deny what is happening or to refuse to warn or face reality. There is a watering down of the Christian world, where it seems any discussions pass the most basic ones are dismissed. Yes preaching the gospel is good, but if you are in a church that doesn't move things beyond a basic salvation message, that can be a problem. Where is the discipleship or "meat" for those who have moved beyond the "babes" stage? All the emphasis on be positive or else, it is a skewing of the mind, a mind-control, thought matrix, where one is shut down all thinking, except the "mandated" thoughts. I mean if we have a new cultural imperative that is growing where a POSITIVE FACE is to be put on everything and reality not dealt with, where does that lead?

The New Age stuff has infiltrated the Christian world so much so, that "positive thinking" is now considered a MAINSTREAM thing, and not even considered a New Age thing at all by many.

This Christian article includes writing affirmations{yes that definitely has moved beyond the New Age}

Positive Attitude Tips Get Out of the Land of Negativity - Stay Camped in a Place of Positive Thinking

Then you have the guys who marry the human potential movement to Christianity and preach "Christian success" via "positive thinking"

Beyond Positive Thinking

Then we have the Prosperity Preachers, the Have the Best Life now folks, I've talked about before and much more.

This stuff via our culture has infused into the churches. Rick Warren, Osteen and Norman Vincent Peale are obvious suspects but there are plenty of others. There are too many out there telling you to join the "tyranny of positive thinking". This doesn't mean give in to depression, despair or giving into negativity, but there are many who do not want you to face REALITY. It is a major problem and growing ever more. You will see the people who have the biggest hearts for God, can face what is really happening and understand that life on this earth is HARD. Ecc. 7:1. If you force everyone to smile and only talk about "nice" things, how can you do this?

Romans 12:15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

As Christians we can be honest, we don't have to fake it like the rest of the world that desires to put a positive veneer over it's corruption and evil or deny the realities of life from how short it is to the suffering that many face. Our hope is not in this world or worldly dreams or clouds of fake "positivity" or faking with a phony smile plastered to our face, but in Jesus Christ who brings REAL JOY.


1 Thess 2: 19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?


63 comments:

Anonymous said...

I so agree with your last paragraph and think the positive thought extension is the "Your Best Life Now" gospel. I will stay with the Blessed Hope remedy. - Don

William Sculley said...

Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer.

Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

Though you have not seen him, you love him. Though you do not now see him, you believe in him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and filled with glory,

Until now you have asked nothing in my name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.

May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.

For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.



The Scripture: The source of Positive thought for 5000 years.

In fact, people are commanded to be an encouragement to those around them. Being filled with negative thoughts, on the other hand, is constantly warned against in Scripture, as such thoughts are of the Devil. Here is what the Bible says of judgmental, wrong, and negative thoughts:

“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he.

By sorrow of the heart, the spirit is broken.

A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good: and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity [hostile] against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil.

Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God, lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled.



It is a thin line to walk. Be ye angry, but do not sin in your anger, for in sinning, you push the other away from God, and then you have committed the greater sin, by causing one to stumble. If you would cause one to stumble, then you are worthy to have a millstone tied around your neck and then be cast into the sea, for the kingdom of God is made of such as these.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks Don I agree it is definitely an extension of the best life now delusions.

William Sculley said...

The True Harlots: Anti-Catholicism.

As it has been said by BB on this website, and as he refuses to respond to any of my posts, despite the fact that I know he reads them, I have taken the liberty to expose the true harlot among churches: Anti-Catholicism. In this post, I will challenge you, the readers, and Bible Believer, to examine the full evidence, some of which I will display openly here on this post, and other sources which, due to length, I will simply link. After examining the evidence, it will be up to you, that is, those who read this, to determine who the true harlot is. My challenge to you is to maintain an open mind, as if you had only just now heard both arguments, and to judge them on the merit of the evidence placed behind them. For each evidence, I will use the following:

1. Quotes from Scripture
As Scripture is the most widely accepted sourcebook in Christendom, there will be ample references to Scripture.
2. Exegesis from the early Church
While Scripture is important, it is doubly important that we not only have the right Scripture, but the right meaning of the Scripture which we use. Having the right Scripture is only half of the battle. We must also train and prepare for battle by way of correct interpretation according to the meaning which the Apostles first intended the Church to receive. Therefore, we will reference people who had direct access to the Apostles, as well as those people whose lives and martyrdoms were used by God to guarantee that we have the Scriptures AND the correct meaning of those Scriptures.
3. Quotes from Bible Believer himself
As this is my challenge of the views propounded by Bible Believer, I will use direct quotations of statements made by the author of this blogspace.

So, without further ado, let us begin:

1. The denial of Protestant connections and existence.

Without exception, every denomination outside of the Roman Catholic and Orthodox circles can automatically be classified as Protestant, due to the acceptance of the basic Protestant doctrines of:
a. Sola Scriptura
b. Sola Fide
c. Sola Grazia
d. Sola Christos
e. Soli Deo el Gloria.

These five doctrines were created in the 16th century by the three founders of Protestantism: Martin Luther, John Calvin, and John Wesley. Today, they are accepted in nearly every heterodox, non-Catholic church. This will include, necessarily, the church to which Bible Believer belongs. There are some churches who have attempted to disprove this historical fact by creating alternate histories, such as the Trail of Blood and other such books. However, when we come to examine the groups named as the true churches in history, we easily find that they were nothing like the Protestant denominations, nor any denomination alive today. An example would be the Arians, who were so-called because of their founder, Arius. Arius stated that "There was a time when the Son of God was not. However, in the book Trail of Blood, the Arians are named as the true Church. There is much more, but we can suffice it to say, there is no historical basis to any Church claiming to be the first Church via historical data if they are outside of the Orthodox Church.

William Sculley said...

Continued from last post:

2. Denial of the legacy of God's people.

Psalm 116:15
precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of His saints.

Luke 1:48
For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

Protestants have made a practice of denying the legacy of the Church and the importance of the men who died so that we would be able to have Scripture, the Church, and the true faith. However, it is this failure to honor the history of this wonderful and God-given faith that has led to the errors of church splits, doctrinal shifts, and disregard of even our most recent leaders who have gone on before us.

Take, for example, Highland Park Baptist Church, in Chattanooga, Tennessee. In the 40's, Dr. Lee Roberson established the church in the inner city of Chattanooga, with a desire to reach the local community. His ministry grew rapidly, to a peak of 20'000 members, including a university, academy, and the Union Gospel Mission. Over the last 5 years, the Church has separated from the university, disbanded the Academy, attempted to disband the Mission, changed their name, and moved out to Highway 58.

Highland Park is not the only example of this. We can point to church after church which has forsaken the legacy given by its founders.

The crisis of this world is that churches have absolutely no foundation in the past. They can come and go, and people can walk in and out of churches as if they were bar hopping through the land of God. They walk into a church a dry sinner, and walk out of the Church a wet sinner with absolutely no inner change, because churches have become about numbers, rather than true inner change.

This is why the Orthodox Church has the Saints of the Church. We have them as signposts to point us in the right direction. We are certain to find the truth in the Saints, for these are men whose lives proved their faith. As James said:

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

The Saints had the works behind their faith. Some of them were tortured for the purpose of the faith, suffering for months and even years. For example, St. Euphemia, a woman, was tortured for years. She was burned, scourged, and even possibly abused in sexual manners. At the end of several months of long torture, not only did she not cry out in pain or sorrow. Rather, she gave thanks to God for her torture. Finally, the evil governor had her burned to death. She died from the smoke of the fire before the fire even touched her, but the fire never had the opportunity to touch her. After her death, rain fell only on the fire, putting it out. The Faithful of the church later gave her a proper burial. Her example has led many to salvation, due to her resolve and thanks in all of the things which God allowed in her life.

There are many stories. These people formed our canon, handed down the faith through the generations, and gave us miraculous examples of their faith.

Anonymous said...

Dear Bible Believer,
Thank you for the reality check. Getting to see the big picture and how we are manipulated is amazing. Yesterday in the car I tuned in to an old favorite Christian radio station and David Jeremiah was pushing a book about Happiness in 31 days.

That's one reason I don't listen to Christian radio much anymore.

I thought, wow, just read the Bible and pray every day, nurture your relationship with Jesus Christ - in all things give thanks -
Philippians 4:6-7

6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

But instead it's all about your best life now and happiness - when I believe it's more of a blessing to be content. To have the peace of God.

So many trying to find the elusive happiness.

Thanks for your insight, please keep it up.

Bible Believer said...

William, the true harlot is Anti-Catholicism?

I want the Catholic people to be born again and no harm to come to them and to be blessed. The true anticatholics are those false priests, popes and bishops who lead them astray and who obviously from what our news tells us have PREYED on many of them and their children.

How many Anti-Catholics are there? Outside of a few fundamentalist churches and even those are changing, the majority of the church system is hooked in with Catholicism and praises the Pope as a "moral leader" such as the Grahams. If the harlot is Anti-Catholicism, that makes no sense, as
the numbers are few. I have responded to many of your posts. I am quite familiar with what the Catholic camp teaches, I had 20 years in the RCC as well as being educated by nuns in Catholic school perhaps less so with the Orthodox but none of the claims about scripture and how they measure their Magisterium and tradition on par with scripture is new to me. I also know by their definitions I am a "Protestant" and "heretic" but I go by God's definitions not theirs.
Have you read other articles on this blog, what I had to say about Protestantism?

It may surprise you.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2012/02/daughters-protestant-churches-1-altars.html

I also am NOT in a church. I understand this blog has hundreds of articles and perhaps you haven't had the time to realize that.

The church system is fallen away. There are very few churches that stick to God's Word.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/search/label/Christians%20without%20a%20church

One should not look to "history" to define their faith. The "Winners" on earth write so much of the history and skew it. We go to Russia their version is different taught to school children then here so forth and so on. Everyone has an "alternative history" as it were. History is a weak locus point to focus a faith on.

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain


One's loyalty is to be to God not men, especially men who can't even follow the first commandment as I have proven on this blog over and over.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2011/07/more-on-catholicism-and-hinduism-popes.html

As for the saints...I wrote this article...

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/10/roman-catholic-saints-were-no-saints.html

Some that the Catholic church honors outside of biblical figures were out and out demonized.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2011/04/catholic-saint-deceptions-st-therese-of.html

Well I know I cannot debate you into true faith in Jesus Christ and out of a false church system. You must be born again and shown the truth by the Holy Spirit.

http://libertytothecaptives.net/salvation_made_plain.html

[John 3:1-7] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Praying this happens for you as it did for me out of Rome and the UU.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks Anon.

I definitely think there is massive manipulation, and yes David Jeremiah pushing a book about HAPPINESS in 31 days is part of this entire scene.

Is a Christian's first priority to seek what makes them HAPPY or OBEY GOD? The latter will bring joy but if you think about it since our culture is all about doing what makes yourself happy, David Jeremiah is selling that very thing.

"searching for heaven on earth" I notice is the subtitle.

Given the persecution of Christians in this world, that too allows another false set-up. Influence Christians to seek pleasure and good times here, and they will be less apt to make a stand. They also remain blinded to the reality of suffering of others while they seek their own pleasure and "happiness".
I do not think it is wrong to be "happy" don't get me wrong, but when that is the focus sold out there that is when things become skewed. Jesus said "My Kingdom is NOT of this world."

People are being left unprepared discipleship wise even to bear the sufferings of this life especially what is to come in a Christian manner. I agree pray and read your Bible everyday. Let your happiness and contentment depend on God not striving to be "happy" via the world's standards.
This is a way to even undermine people's faith when you tell them over and over Life is meant to be "happy" and "easy". Outside the sufferings that come to every human being via old age and death, considering this stuff who will then understand suffering for the gospel?

2 Tim 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

He has a very very strange quote on the page I looked up for that book.

http://www.davidjeremiah.org/site/_images/monthly/0213/SFHBK/Rightside-quote.jpg

Seeing what is under the SUN?

Huh?> Sounds like a "marker" of some sort if you get my drift...

I had to stop listening to Christian radio too.

Thanks for your encouragement. God Bless

Nancy said...

Bible Believer,
Just want to thank you for this blog, and everything you're doing to fight deception in all its forms. I feel like I am having an eye-opening experience reading your blogs. It went beyond eye-opening to a total paradigm shift when I googled Barbara Ehrenreich and found her Daily Show interview promoting her book Bright-Sided. http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-14-2009/barbara-ehrenreich
At 4:45 into the clip, she raises howls of praise for herself from the audience with a sly reference to Jesus as a delusion. Howls of derision for Jesus. Please check this out for yourself so you can add a sterner warning about her for your other readers. She, in her own words, is nasty.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks Nancy.

I have never seen Ehrenreich to comment on Christianity, I knew she was NOT a Christian however based on one book, that is interesting, thanks for telling me about her openly denying Jesus. Hey it's the usual formula to present ONE TRUTH, while bringing in some lies. I did want to show that video because she is CORRECT about the forced POSITIVITY so people understood what I was talking about, but definitely this does not mean for anyone to turn to her for any answers. She is a liberal academic, who rejects Christianity.

Bible Believer said...

I added an additional warning and why I elected to post how she explains the forced positivity.

One thing there is a reason they give SOME a voice and others not. Mixing truth with lies. She explains the forced positivity thing so well but has her own lies to sell. She has written books on the poor too like Nickeled and Dime but always with FALSE SOLUTIONS. [usually Communistic pro-Obama stuff that denies the realities of globalism]

I watched the video, I hate how he laughs and says some of the forced positivity is comfort and then she laughs and infers that Jesus is "delusion"

Hey there is a reason you see no bible believer "academics", that aren't part of the system of Rome [Calvinists and the like]. There is a reason they are either Romanist influenced or extreme liberals.

The whole false world system is joined together on delusion and denial of Jesus Christ.

Even this forced positivity I believe is another way to "wear" down the saints and have others turn closed ears to what they have to say.

Gordon said...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction
Law of Attraction
The law of attraction is the name given to the belief that "like attracts like" and that by focusing on positive or negative thoughts, one can bring about positive or negative results.

This is old Hinduism in a new package. You can thank the Beatles for “spreading the love” so far and wide, and the end result will lead you too, to proclaim; “I am more popular [important] than Jesus”.

It really is “faith in faith”. Because it really doesn't matter what you believe, just believe it strong enough and it will come true for you. If it doesn't then you just don't believe enough, or someone else believes the opposite more than you, or wants it more than you. So really it is a matter of the strength of your faith that matters. “If you believe it you can achieve it” If you think it you can become it”.

Faith itself is the object.
Positive (or negative) thinking is the object.
The Mantra is the object.


Fill in the blank____ . You yourself and you are the deciding factor in the outcome of your desires, based on how much you believe it and confess it. You are in control of your own destiny, just don't hurt anyone else along the way, never forget they too are gods like you. The creative power is within you. With great power comes great responsibility.

Bottom line is- “if it is in your reality, it's because you willed it there.” you are a god.

Here is something Jesus said that is more important than you.
...Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? (Lu 18:8 KJB)

They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger. They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee. And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters. And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. (Deut 32:16-20, KJB)


Singin'...
How firm a foundation, ye saints of the Lord, is laid for your faith in his excellent word!
What more can He say than to you He hath said – to you who for refuge to Jesus have fled.



If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. (Rev 13:9-10, KJB)

In this last verse I notice how it shows the result of “positive thinking” (Law of Attraction). So have patience saints, and stand firm in HIS faith, knowing this has to happen. Blasphemous words come out of the mouth of the beast too who is given power of, and spake as a dragon...

Anonymous said...

I was listening to the Christian radio the other day, and on the radio they were speaking how the enemy of the church are those who refuse to unite the church. Those who will not come together and forsake doctrinal differences. It was a scary broadcast to listen too. It shows where we are headed. One day these folks will kill us. I agree with that anon who stopped listening to Christian radio. The really good broadcast are quickly vanishing

--JL...sorry didnt feel like loggin in today.

Anonymous said...

Bringing unity to the church does not mean forsaking doctrinal truth. The Church was placed by Christ in doctrinal unity. The enemy of the Church, that is, Satan, is intent to maintain the current state of division in the church. That is a problem. We need to discuss the differences and refer to what the Church has always believed, and no matter what we find, we forsake our beliefs for the beliefs of the First Church: The Church of the Apostles and of Christ. All true Christians shoud desire that all Christians should be one.

Lisa Ruby said...

Bible Believer, this post is most thought-provoking.

You wrote, "So people who lose jobs from the failing economy are seen as not being proactive or positive enough and those who get sick, or having other bad things happen are seen as at "fault". This is a win-win for the elite when people think everything that happens to them in life is an outcome of personal "choices"."

This remark brought to mind to Scientology founder, L. Ron Hubbard. Hubbard had a low regard for the disabled, which he called downstats:

"Hubbard considered handicapped people, and especially mentally handicapped people to be degraded beings, suffering from their transgressions in earlier lifetimes. His attitude about blacks is well known." (Quoted from: Ex-Scientologists Speak)"

Scientologists believe (1) that a disabled person is in such a state due to his or her own failings, (2) the disabled person will deliberately move in the direction of death, and (3) disabled people (Individuals who score low on the emotional tone scale) will also bring death to those around them. (See L. Ron Hubbard's book, Self Analysis, chapter 4)

Speaking of the tone scale, guess what traits of "positivity" are at the top of the Scientology Emotional Tone Scale? Serenity of beingness. Also high on the list of people Hubbard regarded as not being worthy of death are: enthusiasm, cheerfulness, contented. See The Scientology Tone Scale at www.xenu.net/archive/disk/NOTs/tone.htm

For more information about how the New World Order workhorse organization views the disabled, check out the online article: Scientology, the Clearwater Bar Association, and Judge Greer

Anonymous said...

Exactly, Bible Believer - that what it boils down to. Are you going to strive for happiness in this world or obey God?

About the Christian radio program saying those who refuse to unite the church are the enemy - that's just as scary as the Christian radio show I heard that said "we must all learn spiritual formation!".

But, then, the two do go together from what I understand. Spiritual formation/contemplative prayer brings about the unity/we are all one/ecumenical thing.

Bible Believer said...

JL I wrote long ago, it wasn't the atheists and secularists who would do the persecuting of Christians, but false Christians. Just like during the Inquisitions oppressing people thinking they are doing "god's Will", I've heard some of the false preachers go on about the whole "unity" think naming every bible believing Christian as the "enemy"

Bible Believer said...

correction above, think equals thing...

Thanks Lisa

Hey Scientology is basically more of that false "law of attraction" nonsense. Clean your mind of any negative thoughts and your life will change? Isn't that what the auditing stuff is all about? Yeah sounds like Hubbard went along with the same "karma", "new age" teachings deeming the disabled and other ill people as being at "fault". I have read in books about Scientology that for the real high levels, those past the point of "CLEAR", that they can heal, never be sick themselves and get other "powers".
#3 is scary. But you can see that attitude out there. I knew someone in the New Age who said that the disabled were to be avoided because their "negative karma" could rub off, with some pseudo science tossed in, saying biology deems that human beings get away from the ill. So the revulsion for those who are sick, [not just talking contagious illness here] is "natural".

Oh sure, false religions want SERENITY, don't they tell everyone in all the false religions many that use meditation such as Buddhism and Hinduism is an empty mind cut off from all attachments and desires? That is a recurring theme.

The NWO wants to influence minds. They are working on destroying what the Bible calls "natural affections".

Bible Believer said...

Anon spiritual formation is a very Catholic concept. When I was Catholic, the term was used where we were to turn ourself over the wisdom of an older Catholic usually a religious, to get direction from. It's all about leading people away from God and leading them to man to obey and follow. I see it all the time now in the evangelical world, the Emergents succeeded in getting that concept to cross over most definitely. When I was a Catholic kid, they invested a lot of time in retreats, time with priests and nuns, trainings and spiritual formations, to "direct us". To even be confirmed in the Catholic church you must pick a sponsor. Mine was a Catholic nun-friend of the family.

Bible Believer said...

Good post too Gordon, Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Bible Believer, Jesus said:

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
(John 17:21)

If we are not working on MAKING the Church be one, then we are going directly against the express will of Christ. I repeat my previous statement that there is no division in Christ, and therefore the people who claim to be in Christ should look to be part of the Church of the Apostles, and if the Church of the Apostles disagrees with your personal beliefs, then your personal beliefs need to change.

What of that statement is wrong? That Christ is undivided, or that Christ desires us to all be as one, like the Father is with the Son?

Anonymous: Basil

Anonymous said...

Bible Believer, is spiritual formation the same as contemplative prayer - a form of transcendental meditation?

Bible Believer said...

Anon, spiritual formation and contemplative prayer can go together but are considered separate things. Of course those who are part of false spiritual formation usually promote contemplative prayer.

Bible Believer said...

Basil, the Catholic and Orthodox church claim to be the "church of the apostles" claiming direct descent but its a lie.

Scripture even deals directly with this!

Revelation 2:2

know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Those of us who have been born again and know God's Word know the Vatican et al, are liars.

Anonymous said...

Bible believer.

Do you believe that God does everything decently and in order?

So when God established His Church, would it not be orderly?

Would that Church ever disappear from the earth?

If you say yes to the first two and no to the third, then you must say that there is an ordered Church in existence today that is the true Church of the Apostles.

If you cannot say yes to the first two and no to the third, you ought to change your name to "Selective Bible Believer".

Basil

Bible Believer said...

Basil, the whole problem revolves around your definition of "church", it's not a man-made organization with the buildings and over-dressed "elevate themselves" clergy.

This article explains more...

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2012/02/re-daughter-protestant-article.html

What does that warning in Rev. 2: 2 mean but that some will claim to be apostles or their "heirs" and be anything but.

Apostolic succession is a deception.

The warnings in scripture are multiple, Acts 15

and this verse too.

~{2Cor.11:13}~
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

Ones I never remember hearing much in the Catholic church....

Anonymous said...

I was thinking they were the same thing - contemplative prayer and spiritual formation.

Thank for clearing that up.

I heard the radio host talking about Dallas Willard and how great he was and then the host said that everyone should learn spiritual formation. Since Dallas Willard is a big contemplative, as far as I know - which isn't much - I was thinking they were the same thing.

Anonymous said...

Bible Believer.

My definition of the Church is as follows:

1.Established by Christ and the Apostles in the book of Acts.
2. Decent and orderly (1 Corinthians 14:33, 40; Colossians 2:5)
3. Led by ordained elders and bishops, with the Deacons (Deacons: Acts 6:1-7; 1 Timothy 3:8-13. Bishops: I Timothy 3:1-7, Acts 20:28, Philippians 1:1. Elders: Titus 1:5-9, Acts 11:30, 14:23)
4. A group of gatherings which all teach the same doctrinal Truth, with true doctrinal, practical, and dogmatic Communion one with another. (I Corinthians 4:17, 7:17, 14:33)
5. Following the commands of the Apostles in their completion, including when they say: Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. (II Thessalonians 2:15)
6. The Church tells us what the truth is. (I Timothy 3:15, Ephesians 2:21, II Timothy 2:19)

Now, which part of that do you have a problem with? Which part of Scripture do you have a problem with? That which I have just written, that is the definition the Holy Scripture gives the Church. If you define it as otherwise, and you do, then it is YOU who needs to change. If I have the choice between you and Scripture, you know who I will choose, because you know who YOU should choose. Scripture is right, therefore, you are wrong. Will you change your definition of the Church? or will you live in defiance of God's commandments? It is your choice.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

I John 2:3
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

I John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

II John 1:6
And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.



So. Bible Believer, when God tells you in Scripture:

Hebrews 10:25
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

and He tells you in Scripture that The Church is orderly, what should you do? Should you wallow in lamentation that the Church doesn't exist? Or should you take hope from the promise that it will exist and you can gather together in the orderly and God-ordained gathering of the people in a specific location in space and time?

The first is the path the devil wants you to take, for by that path, you are weak and helpless, and your armor is kept in poor condition. He will not need to tempt you, for you will fail on your own devices without his temptation.

The Second, that is the path of true Light.

En el amor interminable de Cristo;
Basil

Bible Believer said...

Basil you are looking for world organization...

the guys who can't even figure out the first commandment are not part of Jesus Christ's true church but the harlot.

http://www.incommunion.org/2004/10/24/holy-work/

They are deceiving you telling you that they are the one true church making claims that they are today's apostles.

They are liars.

Bible Believer said...

Revelation 17:5 (Read all of Revelation 17)

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Don't make the mistake of defining "CHURCH" in the Bible as a buildings and a WORLD organization.

Bible Believer said...

I didn't know about Dallas Willard, hmm philosophy professor, often vain philosophy and false Catholic teachings go hand in hand.

The false contemplation and spiritual formation stuff goes hand and hand.

Lots of Fuller folks at his next conference...

http://dallaswillardcenter.com/2013-conference/conference-presenters/

Anonymous said...


Basil, Among other things, you said:

"6. The Church tells us what the truth is. (I Timothy 3:15, Ephesians 2:21, II Timothy 2:19"

It is the Holy Spirit who teaches us the truth in all things.

"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." (1 John 2:27 KJV)

"As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him." (1 John 2: 27 NIV)

"The Church" as in a formal organization of people and buildings is no more able to bring a person into the truth than the Pharisees of the Gospels. Each born-again believer is filled with the Holy Spirit who convicts that person as to the truth of the Word of God.

If men's actions and teachings add to or take away from the truth of scripture, who is Jesus Christ in the flesh; then it is necessarily those men's actions and teachings which are in error.

The true body of believers on Earth are united in the Word of God. Such has it been from the days of Acts. This unity sets one head, and only one head, and that is Jesus Christ. You don't see that unity in fancy buildings or seminaries or Papal states. BUT, it exists because God makes it exist. We stand united in love on a foundation of the Word of God against every lie and perversion and twisting men have thought to invent.

This is, and has always been, the only "church" which the gates of Hell will not overcome.

Anonymous said...

so, let me get this straight:

1. You teach that organization in the Church is a lie.

2. The Bible says that there is organization in the Church and EVERYTHING that God does.

Conclusion: You teach that the Bible is a lie.

Your Bible believing needs more Bible believing.

I am not saying anything God didn't say. "Do all things decently and in order" That is the command of God, the Lord of Sabaoth, which is to say, the Lord of almighty power.

I will say this once. If you deny that the Church is an organized body of believers with common doctrine and ordained ministers, you deny the declaration of the Bible. If you deny the declaration of the bible, then your name, dear sir, is a lie. Those who deny the Bible, they have denied Christ. And those who deny Christ, they are of the harlot. The true harlot, sir, is the heresy of a disorganized Church.

Christ said: That they (the Church) may be one. That means EVERY CHRISTIAN IN THE WORLD IS CALLED TO BE ONE WITH EACH OTHER!

It is your decision now. Will you live up to your name, and join the ecclesia, or gathering, of God's people in a local place, and thus be part of God's worldwide Church, or will you forsake the gathering of the brethren, as the heretics of the gnostic beliefs against which Paul railed.

It is on you. God calls you and commands you to do so through Scripture. From here on out, any choice to not be part of a local church is a direct and deliberate disobedience against the will of a holy and sovereign God, and such deliberate disobedience leads to spiritual death.

Sincerely and with a somber heart,
Basil

Anonymous said...

So, basically, Scripture contradicts itself. Yeah...

I'll let you live in your hatred of the Church and the God Who established that Church. You serve a disorderly god who lacks the power to maintain a Church which continues to today. You twist the Scriptures to justify your sin of refusing to be part of the Church.

I will tell you now, I will have no Communion with a man who claims to be a Christian and yet refuses to be a part of the Church. You have a form of godliness and deny the power thereof, and because you are not in the Church, it is you who are in the harlot, because you don't obey God's command.

"Do not forsake the gathering together of the brethren, as some have done."

Until you can obey that command, why should I, who do obey that command, accept what you teach? If you will live separate from God's Church, you will die separate from the God of the Church.

You have chosen the second and most foolish option. You have chosen to believe a lie which the Devil has sold you. You directly disobey the Scripture, and you claim to be of the Church. You are the one who is of the harlot, for instead of seeking unity of the faith, you seek after division. Instead of clarity, you dispense confusion. Well, I will not be nice, nor will I flatter you. Your confusion is the mark of the devil, the teachings you dispense, his teaching. You are not of Christ. You are certainly of your father, whom Christ identified for you. The devil. That is all. Until you renounce the heresy, there is no true Christ therein. Right belief means you obey Scripture. A true Christian will seek to obey all of Scripture.

You rationalize your way out of Scripture. You try to justify your sin. You are like Adam, caught having eaten of the tree. You are fully without excuse, and when Christ examines you, he will see your deeds and your hypocrisy, and it will not need to be laid out for you.

Forsake heresy and look for the Church.

-Basil

Bible Believer said...

Basil you are too hung up on the world's view of organization and ORDER. I mean otherwise why make excuses for church leaders joined with false religions, why ignore the biblical warnings about the great falling away which I would suppose you would not even have seen as happening and other bible prophecies. Anon is right that true believers are taught by the Holy Spirit not kept in ORDER via false men. So you are telling me in this wicked world, that the harlot isn't the guys, paired with the United Nations, and the new world order, teaching that all religions should unite as one, who have been shown to be corrupt via their sex scandals and more but the bible believers who reject their authority? Stop blindly following men. They will tell you all Christians are to be "united" so they can sell their false pluralism and they do use that to advance unity between all religions teaching you that Allah of Islam is God.
Those who lead people in deceptions like that are the true Gnostics. It's not bible believers following after those who preach vain philosophies and phenomenology and all the rest of the truck of deceptions they have at the ready.

Funny how the first commandment is always brushed aside by liturgicals who tell me I am a heretic, while the guys worshipping hindu gods get endless excuses because of the fancy clothes they wear and the titles they claim for themselves.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/05/hinduism-and-roman-catholicism.html

I've dealt with many who believe the way you do, and it's odd, the defenses are always paired around the men you follow and the organizational church never loyalty to Jesus Christ. I just wrote comments to another of your brethern, I brought these things up to, and they brushed them aside as well while defending the church. Your churches blasphemize Jesus Christ and are joined with the Luciferians of this world both governmental and religious. To someone like yourself they will convince you that the following is NOT HAPPENING...

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/04/one-world-religion-beast-gets-ready-for.html

I am not going to play games, but tell you how it is. They will keep you spiritually blind trusting in them and they are the liars exposed in Revelation 2:2

Stop trusting in a false church that is just another that claims it is the "one true church" and trust in Jesus Christ for your salvation.

Thanks too Anon

2 Tim 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.


Bible Believer said...

As I said to someone who believed like you, you both need to be born again and in need of the Holy Spirit to teach you. I won't allow debates like this to take over the blog, otherwise my blog would be filled with those religions taking over the comments section. That said, I will pray for you that God sets you free from a false church same as I was.

Sabrina Messenger said...

So glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks like this. All this positivity stuff just gets up my nose sometimes and I notice how so much of it is marketed to women all beribboned and in a pretty pink package. ACK! It's not good to be constantly gloomy, but to me such relentless positivity is not the Christian message at all. Time to strike a balance.

Bible Believer said...

I agree Sabrina, and there is a focus on women with all this think positive stuff. One can see it sold even in Christian women's groups and other places. I agree about a balance!

JL said...

@ Basil

In defense for BB, she NEVER, EVER, EVER tells anyone not to go to church. The thing is that all of us just cant find a church home right now due to the heretical teachings that are so rampant today. I cant get fed by only candy...I need some food.

If you want to call someone a heretic, you should post on Matt2four's blog. Ive asked him multiple times to pray for me in finding a church home, and he refuses to pray for me.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks JL, if someone can find a good church or home church, and they stick by God's Word, then go for it, but today that is so rare. Even so many of the fundamentalist ones have fallen into the Dominionist pit. With Matt2four, he isn't online very much, I haven't seen his blog updated in sometime. Are you sure the lack of response isn't due to that?

JL said...

When you post on a blog July 4, and July 5th's people blog questions are posted, you got to wonder. This has happened several times, when I would post, and mines is deleted, while everyone else's is posted. However, I am a very forgiving person. I will take it that maybe he's been too busy.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks JL

Basil, I did not post your post, with the endless "one true church arguments" but you were wrong about this.


"That leaves the Gnostic heretical churches. Those are, officially, the ONLY churches she does not rail against"

There are endless articles on this blog that take false evangelical churches to task. The Unitarians would be the most Gnostic would they not? Well I've written about what I think of that church.

William Sculley said...

Also, Unitarians are not Gnostic. The Gnostics taught that only through a special knowledge of God, that only they had, could one be saved. Unitarians teach that everyone will be saved in the end, regardless. Both are wrong and heretical.

Unitarians spring out of the Congregationalist movement of the 19th century and the "Great American Revival" era as a response to the "hellfire and brimstone" scare tactics of the "great" evangelists of yesteryear. The Apostles didn't go around scaring people into the Church. They went around making disciples, not frightened minions.

Bible Believer said...

Gnostic is one of the most abused words, in the Catholic and liturgical world. Define it for me. I want to know what your definition is of it.

Catholics and Orthodox will claim they are not Gnostic, while their churches embrace one world religion and gnostic beliefs all over the place.

You are going to try and claim to an EX-Unitarian Universalist of multiple years duration that Unitarians are not Gnostic? The religion of Theosophy--basically early New Age movement, with extreme roots in Transcendentalism which borrows from various members of Mystery Babylon--Hinduism and Buddhism is total Gnosticism. Special knowledge, eosteric knowledge, MYSTERIES you name it, they got it. Oh and by the way I haven't the time to write on this yet, but one could explore the Eastern influences on the Orthodox church and they follow the same exact trends. Remember when I mentioned the Alexandrian cult to you, that is early "New Age" Gnostic stuff. They have it. Most definitely. Contemplatives are GNOSTIC!

Most Unitarians don't believe in heaven or even in the concept of salvation as true Christianity defines it. They range from full blown materialist atheists and humanists, to those who believe you become at "one with the universe". There are a few theists, but they are rare. Universalism did start off with the basis that there is no hell, and there folks out there with no ties to the UUA who call themselves Christian Universalists who deny that anyone goes there.

The Popes promote Theosophy and Gnosticism now. One key word MYSTERIES. They love that one.

http://www.examiner.com/article/unitarian-universalism-101-how-do-uus-view-scripture-part-1

"The Unitarian Universalist view of how truth is revealed has much in common with Gnosticism, which holds that truth is revealed primarily through inner knowing. Many early Christian writers and sects were Gnostic. Gnostic scriptures, such as the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Mary, were circulated in the ancient world at the same time as the writings that were later included in the New Testament."

You going to try and tell me this is NOT A GNOSTIC declaration of the Pope...

“the Pope said. In today's dangerous world, he continued, there is an “urgent need” for the world's great religions to come together in light of their common desire that all men be purified of the hatred and evil that always threatens peace. [3:Pope Says Great Religions Must Unite For Peace, Jan 19, 2004]

IT IS...

William Sculley said...

@Bible-Believer

I will need a few days to compile a full answer (I have tests to study for and take), but I will say this:

The Gnostic teaching is that a special knowledge, that only they, the spiritual elite, know, is necessary for salvation.

This runs directly contrary to the Unitarian-Universalist teaching that all people will be saved in the end. Both are false teachings. But, yes, I will tell an ex-unitarian/universalist that her comparison of Gnosticism to the UU "church" is a misunderstanding, because it is. UU is a branch of "Neo-Gnosticism", which is a very different brand of animal altogether.

William Sculley said...

I will also say that in my post concerning Gnosticism, I am going to heavily rely on the actual writings of the famous Gnostic heretics of the first two centuries, most especially Marcion and Valentinus. The entire first half of that post will be things which I am warning are the actual teachings of heretics. Please understand that these teachings are neither held to nor believed by me, and that they are purely for the informing of the believer concerning those false teachings against which Paul and the Apostles valiantly fought. The second half will contain the responses and Biblical exegesis of early Christians in response to these heresies.

As to the heresies themselves, their actual teachings are extremely complex and confusing. The early heretics make the crazy Scientology nuts look normal.

Bible Believer said...

I am planning an article on Gnosticism. It's next on the roster. [to be done in next couple of days] I have wanted to write an article about how the term is abused etc. You may want to read that first before doing a complete answer. Spiritual elitism is par for the course in Unitarian Universalism and many false religions. Keep in mind one major root of UUism is Transcendentalism and how much more Gnostic can one get?

Bible Believer said...

I actually don't mine you putting up what they wrote? Why? One can trace back Satan's lies through history and they remain the same, and are the same thing over and over again in false religions.

William Sculley said...

I want to know now whether or not it is ok for me to post said explanation on Thursday night, probably around Midnight, Eastern time. I must go study, so answer in your convenience. Sincerely in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.

William "Vasilios" Sculley

William Sculley said...

Well, that was quick. I was asking because it is an extremely complex and controversial heresy against which the Early Church struggled and there are many who died as martyrs, murdered because they condemned the heresies of paganism and Gnosticism.

William Sculley said...

I thank you in advance for the go-ahead. Perhaps you may use some of my sources concerning their teachings. I will say that they will be very... how you say...Appaling.

William Sculley said...

anywho, off to study, finally. I have about 10 verses to hardwire into my brain for this test and 200 questions aside from that on Doctrines.

Lord have mercy on me, a sinner!

William Sculley said...

I figured, before I turn in for the night, those who will read my description of the Gnostic heresies would wish to know "Who is this crazy guy?"

Well, I am Vasilios Sculley, but you can call me Billy or Vasily (I will refrain from using the English name due to the fact that one of our anonymous posters has taken to using the English version of my name, and I don't wish confusion on people).

Yes, I am an Orthodox Christian, and yes, that goes against the standard grain of my readership. That also goes toward justifying why I am qualified to give commentary on the teachings of a historical heresy. The Eastern Orthodox Church has always had a high respect for our past, and for the history which led our Church to the present time, through adversity, against heresy, and against even Pagan governments which would torture and kill our people simply for the act of prayer to Christ. The Orthodox Church has an extensive catalog of writings which describe the heretical teachings of the heterodox (that is, "other than the first teaching", in contrast to Orthodox, which means "First teaching") world in which we find ourselves.

In addition to my Baptismal membership in the Orthodox Church, I have access to the extensive historical and theological library at my school, Tennessee Temple University, and it is through the books there that I have learned much of my Church History. I did not take a regimented education in relation to Church History, however, I have followed the wise advice of CS Lewis, and make it a practice to read an old theological discourse for every new one that I read. Among my library stand the historical giants of Athanasius, Irenaeus, and Ignatius, next to modern books of theology and discourse, most notably, Anthony Coniaris.

William Sculley said...

I will clear up some things about myself that people in this kind of audience will carry. And no, none of them are up for debate, they are what I believe, and you can't really tell me what I personally believe:

1. I do not worship the Saints. This includes the blessed mother of Christ our God, the Theotokos Mary. I honor them and look to their examples of faith and spiritual courage, but worship is a direct violation of God's Scriptures. Honoring them means that I remember them in my life, and emulate them in the ways in which they emulated Christ in their lives, for it was not they themselves which sourced the great deeds and miracles in their lives, but Christ, Whose holy blessing made all of the miracles which occurred through them, leading many to the worship of the Trinity.

2. I do not claim that the visible Orthodox Church is the only source of Salvation. That Salvation comes only from God, and the true source of salvation is Christ Jesus, our Lord, King and Savior.

3. I do not stand by those who encourage people to forsake doctrinal disagreement to be "together in Christ" without doctrinal unity. Such a thing is impossible, because Scripture says: "Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." (Ephesians 4:3-6)

We, I included, teach that to have true unity, you must have true Doctrine. There is only one faith, that is, only one completely true set of doctrinal interpretations of Scripture. Your personal interpretation of Scripture is not equally valid as the original intended interpretation of Scripture. My personal interpretation of Scripture is not equally valid as the original interpretation of Scripture. The only truly valid interpretation of Scripture is the interpretation which the Apostles and God intended when they penned the Scriptures. This is emphasized by Peter: "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of one's own interpretation."

We are not to interpret Scripture alone apart from the Church. The Scripture was not given to us personally, but to the Community which God had called out. Scripture belongs to the Gathering of God's people, the Ekklesia, or Church. He did not give Scripture to one person or through one person. He certainly could have. But He gave Scripture through a wide variety of people, and it was meant to be owned by all people in His Church. Yes, we read the Scriptures privately, but we should find our spiritual father and tell him what we thought to find out if it was the Truth.


Now, whether or not you agree with these three points, it is what I believe. This gives you the background from which I come and an idea of the bias which you can expect. I am not a Protestant or Fundamentalist. The Fundamentalists stick to fundamentals which were introduced only 300-400 years ago, whilst the fundamentals I ascribe to are fundamentals of the 1st and 2nd century of the Church. I will make a bold statement that the Orthodox Church is the only Church in existence today with a direct historical connection to the Apostles with documentation across the ages of doctrinal stability and unchanging dogmatic beliefs throughout the history of the Church. This is my belief. I am not debating it here.

William Sculley said...


If any should wish to debate it, I am freely available at sculleywr@tntemple.edu and if you live in Chattanooga, I am also a resident student at TTU. I will not judge on your salvation. Your salvation is a matter between yourself and God. I will tell you what I believe and be straight. However, for the purposes of this comment in which I am to post, I am going to only address the Gnostic heresy. Here is a bullet point of what they believe, to be given more in depth in my comment:

1. Gnostics teach that Jesus Christ was not a physical being, and did not truly die on the Cross.
2. Gnostics teach that the Apostles mixed in things of the Law into their teachings, and that they even falsified the words of Christ Himself.
3. They teach that each of the statements which Christ made were from different "spiritual planes" (and this is extremely complex and stranger than I can make up)
4. Gnostics teach that Salvation is ONLY available by gaining a secret Gnosis, or knowledge, which could only be understood by the spiritual elites among them. (That rules the UU church out of the picture, for they teach that salvation is given freely to all men without requirement or condition, and that they do not even need to know of the existence of a higher power to be saved)
5. The Gnostics will teach that the physical body is bad and that the ultimate goal is to be rid of physicality. (That rules out the possibility that the Orthodox are truly historical Gnosticism, as we are a very physical Church)
6. Because of the last point, Gnostics teach that full Gnosis, or knowledge, of God will cause a person to shed the physical body and ascend into the spiritual plane of the "Pleroma"
7. Because of number 5, Gnostics will also teach that there is no bodily Resurrection. All matter is evil, so God would not Resurrect that which is evil, so they will say.

Well, on Thursday, or Friday, I will post my comment with ample citations.

With all due diligence and prayer, I pray for you and all that I meet:

O Christ our God, Who at all times and in every hour, in heaven and on earth, are worshiped and glorified; Who are long-suffering, merciful and compassionate; Who love the just and show mercy upon the sinner; Who call all to salvation through the promise of blessings to come; O Lord, in this hour receive our supplications and direct our lives according to Your commandments. Sanctify our souls, hallow our bodies, correct our thoughts, cleanse our minds; deliver us from all tribulation, evil and distress. Encompass us with Your holy Angels that, guided and guarded by them, we may attain to the unity of the faith and to the knowledge of Your unapproachable glory, for You are blessed unto ages of ages, Amen!

Anonymous said...

Hi Bible Believer,

I just read where Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif. is holding a one day seminar for $100 to teach people how to use Ignatian Medidation and Centering prayer to help people be spiritual at work.

That is some crazy stuff.

Anonymous said...

Positive thinking is even prevalent in the UK now - the 'Keep Calm and Carry On' poster supposedly designed in the 40's for war efforts recently discovered in a bookshop. It's spawned many variants, and is now deeply ingrained in the UK psyche.

Bible Believer said...

I've seen those posters, they are like NWO brainwashing posters to me. I guess they are the UK's form of the OBEY posters, hats and T-shirts we have around here. Interesting how they are topped with a crown isn't it?

Oh Fuller is the worse! That is a place where many deceptions originate! I may post on that. They aren't hiding the obvious Jesuit connections anymore are they?

William Sculley said...

"Positive thinking is even prevalent in the UK now - the 'Keep Calm and Carry On' poster supposedly designed in the 40's for war efforts recently discovered in a bookshop. It's spawned many variants, and is now deeply ingrained in the UK psyche."

They WERE designed for the war efforts in Britain. That isn't a supposedly. Saying they were supposedly designed for the war effort is like a Christian saying that the earth was supposedly created by God: dumb.

val said...

A gift is now delivered and proven to the whole world as a witness.Satan has deceived the whole world until the woman of Rev 12 delivers the true word of God. This woman is not a church, nor Mary, nor Israel, she is the prophet like unto Moses and Elijah Matt 17:3, Acts 3:21-23, Luke 1:17 commanded to restore the true word John 1:1 from the wilderness Rev 12:6 to prepare a people. God our true Father will not put any child of his into a hell fire no matter what their sins, no matter if they repent in this life or not. It never entered the heart or mind of God to ever do such a thing Jer7:31, Jer 19:5. Turn your heart to the children of God. Begin here http://minigoodtale.blogspot.com. The proof is in the hearing, prove all things, God chose a woman.

William Sculley said...

"A gift is now delivered and proven to the whole world as a witness.Satan has deceived the whole world until the woman of Rev 12 delivers the true word of God. This woman is not a church, nor Mary, nor Israel, she is the prophet like unto Moses and Elijah Matt 17:3, Acts 3:21-23, Luke 1:17 commanded to restore the true word John 1:1 from the wilderness Rev 12:6 to prepare a people. God our true Father will not put any child of his into a hell fire no matter what their sins, no matter if they repent in this life or not. It never entered the heart or mind of God to ever do such a thing Jer7:31, Jer 19:5. Turn your heart to the children of God. Begin here http://minigoodtale.blogspot.com. The proof is in the hearing, prove all things, God chose a woman."

Ummm, Val, do you have a point? It got lost somewhere between the non sequitirs and Albuquerque for me.

Bible Believer said...

Val I am a bit confused.

"God our true Father will not put any child of his into a hell fire no matter what their sins, no matter if they repent in this life or not"

This is false.

Hell is real.

Universalism is a lie.

http://www.av1611.org/hell_place.html

Matt 13

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. . . .
. . .
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

William Sculley said...

Well, Hell is real, but it isn't the same place that unbelievers go. Unbelievers go to what is called "Death" or "the grave".

This does not change the eternal destiny of those who refuse the grace of Christ. It is simply an understanding that Death and Hell will both be thrown into the Lake of Fire, and Death is unbelievers who refuse grace, while hell is the demons.

The rest of your last post, I pretty well believe is true.