Saturday, February 2, 2013

From Liberty To the Captives: Exposing "The Defined King James Bible"

Exposing "The Defined King James Bible" from The Bible for Today at Liberty to the Captives.

I wanted to post these links and yes there are around 10 of them but Liberty for the Captives breaks things down quite well and they are straight to the point. If anything this can tell you how subtle deception can be, you will ask yourself, why are all these definitions changed so strangely and in some cases so watered down? For instance why would they define "leaven" solely as "fermented dough"? Why would they define "strange" woman in the Bible simply as "foreign" instead of what the Bible means? "The Defined King James Bible" is edited mostly by  D. A. Waite Sr. with input from his son D.A. Waite Jr. The Bible for Today logo is a very strange one and while it has a Bible and a sword, I wonder about the dark and light side, kind of like a Yin and Yang Symbol. They are Pre-Trib in belief and look to a millennial kingdom on earth.


  The DEFINED King James Bible: Definitions For Change

Bible For Today Neutralizes Bible's Warning Against Familiar Spirits

D. A. Waite, Jr. Says Leaven of the Pharisees is Fermented Dough

Pray Means to Beg God?

The DJKB Removed the Bible Warning About the Strange Woman

DEFINED KJB Teaches That a Pastor Must Not be a Striking Addict

D. A. Waite, Jr. Cloaks the Meaning of Edification

In-Context Meaning of Edify Vs D. A. Waite Jr.'s Confusing Definition

Sound Doctrine = Doctrine That is Free From Disease?

"Snare of the Devil" is a Noose-like Trap For Small Game?

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

On the biblefortoday.org homepage, if you scroll down they have a "our symbol and our purpose" section that defines the logo. My first impression was that it reminds me of a Coat of Arms. - Don

Gordon said...

I remember when I was first learning about the modern bible versions being translated from faithless Gnostic transformed Egypt based manuscripts. I had a hangup about figuring out how to read the KJB, but wanted to replace every bible in the house, and buy extra to give away. I started researching this Defined KJB, and noticed some printing errors or "mistakes" in the Sample Pages of the PDFs they offer.

I guess I didn't know then, what a dirty word "mistakes" really is. When I called them to ask if "the mistakes" in the PDF samples were printed in the finished product... the response I got was shocking, stunning, and so reprehensible that I actually quit looking into using a KJB at all.

I don't know who it was I talked to there, I didn't know the names behind the product, I just wanted King James Bibles.

I would soon find out that there are many false teachers who use King James Bibles, just like there are many false teachers who don't. It took me longer to figure out that the KJB was truly the version to use, and it was because of guys like Waite and Ruckman and Cloud, and women like Riplinger that slowed the process.

During internet searching, I have found Lisa Ruby of libertytothecaptives being blasted by all types of Bible haters, false teachers, apostates, reprobates, and demons. - bravo Lisa! Thank you! (I know you would not accept any thanks without sending it to the Lord who gives you strength, as you pray and seek for His guidance)

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Bible Believer said...

Don, I suppose that is a coat of arms, but why is that even necessary. They do say some odd stuff about it...

"The SYMBOL of THE BIBLE FOR TODAY centers around an open Bible. This signifies that the principles of the bible are the exclusive principles which form the FOUNDATION of THE BIBLE FOR TODAY. The shield pictures "the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked" (Ephesians 6:16). On the left of the shield, the darkness is seen encroaching; on the right of the shield, the light is controlling. Down the center of the shield is a sword, representing the "sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God" (Ephesians 6:17). It is the Spirit’s "Sword" of "the Word of God" which pierces and divides between the light and the darkness."

What is that weird stuff about darkness and light?

Bible Believer said...

Gordon, When I was saved, I knew I was supposed to get a KJV, this was definitely the leading of the Holy Spirit as I had just come out of the Catholic church and knew NOTHING then about the evangelical church system and only had been exposed to Catholic Bibles.

I even compared my Catholic Bible to KJV, and saw the missing verses, the atheistic footnotes, the inclusion of the false books of the Apocrypha--which by the way was bothering me for some time and I was seeing as "false". Later I would compare my KJV to the NIV and other BIbles. Fortunately my first church after salvation was an IFB that used the KJV. In this area, churches using the KJV are extraordinarily RARE.

I studied up on the Textus REceptus, the Egyptian-Alexandrian School, Vaticanus, etc, once you figure out the two streams, it does help you understand the whole Bible version debate and how Rome worked to alter the Bible and how Westcott and Hort played their part.

You are right about the deceivers in the KJV camp, especially the KJV Only Camp where they claim the it is "new revelation. Ruckman is one of the top ones out there, as well as many others. Knowing about these Bible for Today folks, I'm adding them in. Satan's workers want to throw as much confusion as possible out there for the Christians who discern that the KJV for English speakers, is God's Word and other Bibles are false. Yes Lisa has faced many of the wicked online and shown great courage, I praise God in giving her strength to make her stands and stand against so many deceptions.

Lisa Ruby said...

Bible Believer,

Thank you for posting the links to information I have been gathering about the definitions in the DEFINED King James Bible.

The definitions the Waites selected for certain words reveal a hidden agenda. In spite of their claim to have defined uncommon words, the Waites selected many common words to define. Some of these common words are defined in such a way that they teach false doctrine.

Regarding The Bible For Today's logo: What is this about darkness encroaching and the light controlling? The Yin and Yang is a "dance" between dark and light. That sounds like a balancing act to me!

By the way, they say, "It is the Spirit’s "Sword" of "the Word of God" which pierces and divides between the light and the darkness." Maybe they are trying to make their Yin and Yang logo and language sound biblical?
(Actually, the word of God divides asunder of soul and spirit . . ."




Leahlive said...

The KJV bible does not need to be defined by man. I was saved by watching Kent Hovind videos and in it he explained that the other versions were false and suggested further study on this matter with Gail Ripplinger. I learned from the very beginning about false teaching of the so called other bibles.

Knowing this I have read no other versions although I do use the amplified from time to time. But I was told with prayer the Holy Spirit will reveal and bring understanding to anything you pray about. I have found this to be so true in fact that when I have been at other bible studies or places that people read from other versions it comes to me as mumbo jumbo. My brain will not comprehend those "oh so poetic" translations that I see Christians cling to and say how beautifully written they are. The whole "better understanding" or "more up to date" excuses are a load of garbage. And I knew nothing of the bible when I first started to read it. But I prayed and understanding as promised in His word, came with it. Praise God, HIS word is always the truth.

Bible Believer said...

Good point Leahlive, why are folks turning to someone else to DEFINE the Bible, all I know is everytime I see a Bible with FOOTNOTES it usually is used to detract from the truth or another version of "HATH GOD SAID?" The Holy Spirit is our teacher.

John 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Gordon said...

Someone contacted me and thought I was saying that modern bible versions were dog urine, when I was commenting on satanic symbolism. But since my answer fits with what BB said a few days ago, here is a portion of my response...



I wasn't thinking about the Bible version issue, but since you brought it up I really wouldn't disagree with the conclusion you thought I was getting at, I just didn't realize it at the time I wrote it.

I have to take you Rev 2:14 and back to Balaam to explain why I think modern versions and footnoted/commentary/study bibles are dog urine.

Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

Start reading from Num 22 to the end of Num 24 and notice the many times Balaam says or is told by God... "but yet the word which I shall say unto thee, that shalt thou do". Balaam will only speak what God said, so he was indeed speaking God's word, even if he was a false prophet, the words are Gods and it is Gods word he blesses them with. No problem with that!

The problem is what he taught them to DO, that God hates, and kindled God's fierce anger!
And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, ... (part Num 25:4)

And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. (Num 25:1-2)

Mixing seed. "Forcing" God (in a sense), to mix His seed (children of Israel) with corruption.
In many places you find the Word of God being referred to as "food", and so a picture of eating "food" sacrificed to idols, is taking into your own body the corruption of these devils, and the purpose of doing this was the whoredom and fornication they wanted. So the mixing of seed is both spiritual and physical.

The picture continues to be explained as Zimri the Israelite and Cozbi (name even means "false") the Midianitish woman come to commit this act during the plague which was a result of this act. [pause to note 'adding to the word?, God adds plague' Rev 22:18-19] And boldly right in front of Moses and those weeping! So Phinehas took a javelin and "thrust both of them through" (Num 25:8)

Modern versions (footnotes/commentary/"study" bible) contain the Word of God, its what they teach you to do, that God hates, and kindles God's fierce anger. Force God (in a sense) to mix His seed with the corrupt seed of men. By placing their lying words into His, as if their words were equal to His.

They teach you to sacrifice pure Words from the Infinite Eternal God, and take up words of idols instead that proclaim, "you don't really know what God said", so I will tell you. This is exactly like what the devil said to Eve in Gen 3, which caused the unstoppable plague and curse to fall on all of mankind and the earth.

"Doubt Gods Word?"

Do you really think it's no big deal?

Dog urine is a sanitary description!

William Sculley said...

You guys can keep arguing about your translations. I'll be happy to use the languages that Christ used. You know, Greek and Hebrew?

William Sculley said...

Why define the Bible? Because that is what a real Translator does. As an interpreter for the Deaf, I can say with 100% certainty that the KJV is incompatible for translation into American Sign Language.

Besides that, words have changed. In the KJV, a man ties his ass to a tree and walks a mile. To a person today, that's a guy who ties his rear end to a tree and manages to walk a mile with his rear end attached to the tree.

Gordon said...

Hi William,
I agree that our definition of some words have changed since 1611, and all words have a definition. Defining the correct words given in the KJB, is starting from the correct words to define. If you speak English, the 1828 Webster’s dictionary is a good place to go for defining the KJB words, if the word definition is not given in the KJB text itself first.

You are saying that 100% of the KJB can't be used for American Sign Language, and I doubt you really meant that, but

...it is 100% readable. ;)
I am 100% sure that just reading the KJB in faith, is 100% better than watching a poor translation being re-translated well.

Are you saying that you are able to translate Greek and Hebrew into American Sign Language, but not the KJB?

Don't you find it interesting that the animal you are so upset about, is the animal that carried Jesus into Jerusalem, and also used directly by God to slow the madness of Balaam with speech! I find it quite telling that this very animal's proper English name has been maligned into a "dirty word" just like the Lord who it carried. If the devil can't change the words in the Bible, he will try to change what they mean.

Are you saying with 100% certainty that you could never ever figure out how to explain that the animal with the 1611 English name of Ass, is like the animal we call a donkey today? Are your Listeners unable to understand this? No I don't think you meant that either.

The Bible version issue is mostly about the underlying text, the translation is made from.

The Greek Critical Text (CT)of Westcott and Hort, as the primary text used for all Modern versions. (doubt based - bible filled with errors)

or

The Greek Received Text,(TR for textus receptus) which the KJB comes from. (faith based - Bible preserved by God)

Bible Believer said...

William, when I was in the Catholic church they told me I needed their EXPERTS to understand the Bible, and I still remember the bible-dismissing footnotes of my Catholic NAB Bible which I still have on the shelf for research, and well, it's like functional agnostics wrote it all. But then deniers of God's Word in the first place have produced false bible versions like Westcott and Hortcott.

But sadly enough in churches like the RCC and Orthodox, the so called experts actually have put themselves as another LAYER between people and God's Word, with the Catholic Magisterium even putting itself in official teachings ON PAR with Holy Scripture. Talk about human hubris.

The Bible itself tells us the Holy Spirit will be our teacher. If I hit a certain part in the Bible I find harder to understand I pray about it.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

For years I heard "The Bible is too hard for you to understand" nonsense. And they deceive so many telling people that to the point so many of the sleepy heads in the pews NEVER GO READ IT FOR THEMSELVES and depend wholly on experts to go interpret things for them. This is why The Pope can pull of telling us truth lies in false religions when the Bible reminds us over and over again, that false religions come out of Mystery Babylon and from Satan himself. See how the waters get muddied? All because people throw aside God's Word for the words and lies of the so called "experts". They do not take responsiblity for seeking out God's truth via prayer and reading His Word.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Jesus Himself tells you to study and "search" scripture. Does that mean going by the way side, and saying "Oh it's too hard, and all those words confuse me!"

They even sell false Bible versions on the precept that most people cannot understand the KJV Bible when they read it, so they massively dumb things down changing doctrine and teachings from the get-go. Some do this worse like The Message and others like the NIV take a more midrange approach in changing God's Word.

Sure checking out the original languages is good, there are programs to translate the KJV. When one figures out Greek is even more SPECIFIC in meaning, things get interesting.

As for deaf culture, sure there are things that may be harder to sign but that does not mean one should try and stop being specific in meaning or conveying abstract concepts. This is almost like telling me the deaf or hearing impaired cannot think abstractly.

Gordon, I found the mention of the "ass"/donkey interesting too. Agree the devil will try and change what words even mean, hey it all goes back to HATH GOD SAID? The original lie in the garden.

False churches will basically say, God said it but what we say counts to the same degree and others will basically ignore what God said.

I agree there are the two streams, one false and one true, and all the liturgical churches and majority of modern fallen away churches stick to the false one.

I was indoctrinated into false Catholic Bibles, so much missing and so many lies added like the Apocrypha. I still remember when I was reading a KJV for the first time and how blessed I was to finally have God's true word in my hands.

Thanks for your posts Gordon.

Anonymous said...

here's a quote from Liberty to the Captives:
"Mrs. Gail Riplinger's first book, New Age Bible Versions is, overall, excellent. This book showed me the truth about modern English versions."
and another one:
"In spite of the controversy currently surrounding Mrs. Riplinger, please note that her book, New Age Bible Versions, contains startling information that is not found elsewhere. She is, I believe, the first person to point out that modern versions do promote a "Jesus," a "Father," a "spirit," a "kingdom," etc. that New Agers would approve."
and yet another one:
" appreciate Gail Riplinger's painstaking research on the wonderful history of the KJV1611 and the Bibles that preceded it and her exposure of the beliefs and biases of the men who authored the concordances, lexicons and interlinears that, in my opinion, have been used by many to undergird the falling away of the church."
all these were taken from here:
http://libertytothecaptives.net/about_newage_bible_versions.html

This just speaks for itsself. How anyone could make such statements about the most ambarassing, laughable, fictional, and error-filled book ever written is beyond me.

Bible Believer said...

I read Gail Riplingers book when I was a new Christian and had 3 Bible versions surrounding me and checked the verses and the changes in them and the rest MYSELF.

So where's the errors regarding the differences in the verses? Riplinger despite her other problems, definitely makes clear the differences in the Bible verses that were changed. Watered down is the main perogative, with missing verses galore. Remember you are talking to a woman who knows the difference in Catholic Bibles, NIV and KJV.

What is funny to me is the defenders of false bibles will go on about Riplinger etc. I know Riplinger has some problems and the Liberty to the Captive article admits the controversies, but all a person has to do is compare the BIBLES for THEMSELVES and I did so as a New Christian using her book as a guide, and noticing other verses too and the changes were there for the seeing, no matter Riplinger's problems or connections.

Anonymous said...

Have you read James Whites' article on Gail Riplinger and "New Age Bible Versions" ? This just about shows everything about this embarassing movement of King James Onlynism.

Anonymous said...

Why don't you try comparing Bibles with the Greek Text, and not with the King James Version ?

Anonymous said...

Did I say anything about Mrs. Gail Riplinger ? I am not discussing the person, but her writings, which are error-filled and should be refuted.

Anonymous said...

Hahahahahahaha....what a hypocrite! You claim that anything associated with Egypt is pagan yet you believe in the Trinity, which originated from Alexandria and was promoted by Athanasius of Alexandria.

Arius studied at the exegetical school in Antioch under Lucian of Antioch (a Christian priest) before returning to Alexandria. He was declared a heretic because what he taught was different from what Alexandrians taught. Athanasius received a secular education and then studied at a catechetical school in Alexandria, which by his time had taken on an almost secular character in the comprehensiveness of its interests, and had counted influential pagans among its serious auditors.

There is no Trinity in Scripture! The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God; hence, God Himself. Matthew 1:18 states that the Holy Spirit conceived Jesus in Mary's womb; this makes the Holy Spirit the Father. John 3:16 states that God is the Father. Acts 5:1-5 states that God is the Holy Spirit. There is only the Holy Spirit (i.e. the Father) and the Son in Scripture; hence why only two are present in John 1:1, Matthew 12:32, John 10:30, Acts 7:55, Psalms 110:1, Genesis 19:24, and Proverbs 30:4.
"Proverbs 30:4 Who has established all the farthest points of the earth?
What is his name, and what is his son’s name? Surely you know!"

Paul wrote that the Corinthians were baptized only in the name of the one who was crucified (1 Cor 1:13). Cardinal Joseph (i.e. Pope Benedict XVI) stated that "in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" of Matthew 28:19 originated in Rome and that the Apostles baptized only in the name of Jesus.

kddlporter said...

For those truly interested in this issue of issues... Will Kinney of Another King James Bible Believer who blogs at brandplucked.webs.com has a great compilation of articles that expose James White's false arguments & one world approved showmanship & connections out of the water. He just finished a 'Battle Royale XIV' at theologyonline defending the King James against Bob Enyart and Will Duffy that does a great job of setting the arguments and tactics side-by-side pro and con King James. Highly recommend it.

kddlporter said...

For those seriously interested in this topic of topics, I highly recommend checking out Will Kinney's 'Another King James Believer' compilation of detailed articles at brandplucked.webs.com. Though I disagree with his assumption of Calvinist leanings, and have yet to be convinced from scripture that the pre-trib rapture is false & mid-trib, pre-wrath is preferable and defensible from scripture (I strongly disagree with that view & haven't seen a convincing argument yet), He has a great compilation of documentation that blows James White's false arguments, showmanship and one world church connections out of the water. He just finished what they called "Battle Royale XIV" at theologyonline.com defending the King James against Bob Enyart and Will Duffy that does a great job setting the arguments pro and con side by side. As demonstrated by disinfo plants like Stephen Anderson etc, the constant references to only Gail Riplinger and Peter Ruckman as if representative of all Bible Believers, or the only champions of the King James Bible....this bastion of the remnant is currently a favorite target of the NWO & its spirit for infiltration and confusion.