Friday, December 28, 2012

False Religions Love "Christmas"

India Celebrates Christmas
Arsh Wahi, a Hindu student at St. Columba's, says his family puts up a Christmas tree every year and stocks up on plum pudding and other Christmas goodies from the fabled Dehli bakery called Wenger's.
With its 70 varieties of cakes in the shape of stars, yule logs and Santas, this 86-year-old establishment is jammed this time of year with holiday-makers who eat and sing their way through the season.
Choirs echo in the churches across the city, and choral groups perform Christmas concerts.
Neeraj Devraj, a soloist with The Capital City Minstrels, says he's not Christian or religious, but celebrates Christmas with the same fervor he celebrates the Hindu festival of lights known as Diwali, and the Muslim feast of Eid.
"For me personally, Christmas is about getting together with the people you are fond of, people you love," he says. "It's great fun, it's the joy of giving. It's very Indian ... to just celebrate the aspect of being alive and being around people who matter."

One thing, I noticed about Christmas years ago, was that other religions and countries celebrate it, actually quite fervently from India, to China, it's popularity is spreading. If it was a true Christian celebration would the world's false religions all sign up and integrate it with their other religious holidays? China even has a name for Christmas called "Dun Che Lao Ren" which translates as "Christmas Old Man."

Christmas is just not for Christians


JL said...

Im on the fence with this because if Christmas is pagan, so are birthdays, thus Christians should not celebrate birthdays. Embalming the dead is also pagan.

The reason im on the fence is because both sides are judged unrighteously. I should not call a person a pharisee because they choose not to celebrate Christmas. I should not call a person carnal because they choose to celebrate Christmas.

Rom 14:In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable.

Rom 14:6 Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to honor him. Those who eat any kind of food do so to honor the Lord, since they give thanks to God before eating. And those who refuse to eat certain foods also want to please the Lord and give thanks to God.

Rom 14:13 So let's stop condemning each other. Decide instead to live in such a way that you will not cause another believer to stumble and fall.

Bible Believer said...

I am not sure if you know yet, JL, I do not celebrate Christmas and have posted against it before.

I think the Christmas thing is something one has to be "ready for" and shown by God. I do not walk around berating people for it, but it is a truth I'll share if God directs me.

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Bible Believer said...

I wanted to say this...

I used to think this verse excused Christmas, years ago...I used to think ok we are not to judge in respect of holy days, etc.

Colossians 2:16

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

But then I thought in context of the rest of the Bible warning about paganism and babylon, etc, I do not think this verse applies to all "holy days", I mean what is "holy" about Saturnalia, or what is basically the glorified winter solstice?

Hey I know it is a tough one...but it bears thinking out.

Thanks Born again Soldier, I agree.'

By the way I know Christians who celebrate Christmas, for those I have felt led to, I have given them phamphlets told them about what Jer 10 says, etc. I know it is not an "easy truth".

Anonymous said...

To JL,

I was actually born on my birthday. But Jesus was not born on December 25th. So avoiding Christmas doesn't mean avoiding birthdays too.

Christmas is, in the pagan sense, a celebration of satanic rituals for the winter.

Now can the day be used to proclaim the Gospel? Yes. But every day should be used for that.

JL said...

No, I agree with you BB. Christmas is pagan. The question im asking is how far do we go with this. The Jehovah Witness wont celebrate birthdays because of its pagan roots. Should we do what the Jehovah witness do? Thats what im struggling with right now. Im also struggling with the meaning of Romans 14.

Please instruct me, my heart is open. I just want to do what is pleasing to the Lord.

Anonymous said...

Thanks so much Bible Believer and Born Again soldier, your words of encouragement and truth are very much appreciated. The narrow road can be very lonely sometimes.


Bible Believer said...

Anon I agree.

Don't let the Jehovah Witnesses confuse you, they have their reasons for avoiding Christmas and while some may overlap, there are many that are different. With birthdays, I do not know of any biblical reason to avoid them. I am not sure of what the JW reason is. At least people know what days they were born on. The date of Christmas was chosen for other reasons. JL I struggled too, I was on the fence but with the Colossians verse. Hey with Christmas, I do not beat people over the head with this, the cultural strains are SO SO STRONG, I know what they are facing out there. 99.9% of churches don't speak of Christmas. Hey I can make my mistakes, if someone says Merry Christmas to me, I don't turn to them an yell at them, but this one was a hard one even for me when I was confronting it and first found that verse in Jer 10. In the UU, the pagan roots were obvious as every Christmas season they celebrated the winter solstice, so I could not ignore what I found out. There is nothing wrong with giving someone a present, at another time of year, or saying Happy New Year. I am not saying be mean to people, we have to have grace with this one as so many do not realize.

Thanks Lina for your kind words, I will pray for you too.

Lina, I agree

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JL said...

Thank you BB and everyone else who had imput on this matter. I needed clarity.

Ive made my decision. No Christian should celebrate Christmas. I wont do it and I will tell my family as well.

It is a very lonely road. I feel like an illegal alien living here. Despise by everyone.

Thank you for this website and speaking for the truth.

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Mom4Truth said...

Hello JL-

We do not celebrate ANY of the pagan festivals or traditions of this world, including X-mas and birthdays.

We felt convicted about birthdays after considering a few verses:

Philippians 2:3 “Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.”

Ecclesiastes 7:1 “A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth.”

Jeremiah 20:14,18 “Cursed be the day wherein I was born: let not the day wherein my mother bare me be blessed. Wherefore came I forth out of the womb to see labour and sorrow, that my days should be consumed with shame?”

Also, there are no positive Biblical precedents for celebrating birthdays. We see in Genesis 40, Pharaoh’s birthday party cost the life of his baker, in Matthew 14, Herod’s birthday party cost the head of John the Baptist, and in Job, we see his children celebrating “everyone his day” in Job 1:4, which sent Job to his knees in repentant prayer on their behalf and ultimately cost their lives.

This also goes for New Year’s Eve/Day. Luke 16:15 tells us “For that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.” Is not New Year’s highly esteemed by men around the world? Again, Scripture does not give us an example or command to remember or mark New Year’s. But there is ample evidence of the pagan origins surrounding New Year’s celebrations.

Scripture gives us all things pertaining to life and godliness, 2 Peter 1:3, so we ought heed God’s warning in Deuteronomy 12:32 “What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.”

Truly, an elect of God would repent of his participation in the idolatrous customs of this world when God graciously warned them. This is how we can easily identify the wheat from the tares. The tares will defend their participation even after being warned according to the example in Jude 1:15 “To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed,”

God’s chosen people were scattered in judgment for their assimilation into the pagan cultures surrounding them, and yet professing Christians have simply determined with their little wet apostate finger in the air that the Holy God of Israel will simply wink at that very same behavior today because of John 3:16? Christ did not come to baptize paganism, rather to call the ungodly to repentance!

James 1:27 “Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this…to keep himself unspotted from the world.”

2 Corinthians 6:17 “Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,”

It is foolishness to hear the world castigate (true) Christians by calling them Pharisees or legalistic! Obedience to God’s Word is not legalism, nor is it behavior of the Pharisees. Obedience is the only standard. A Pharisee is one who creates laws, rules, and traditions outside of God’s Word, demanding and commanding others to live by them as a means of salvation. The RC Church is a prime example, with X-mas, Ishtar (Easter), the command to abstain from meats, forbidding to marry (1 Timothy 4:3), flagellation, praying the Rosary, penance, etc. THAT is legalism! Commands from man, to man, unprescribed and unordained by God! Mark 7:13 “Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.”

If God said it stunk then, it stinks now!

Jeremiah 15:17 “I sat not in the assembly of the mockers, nor rejoiced; I sat alone because of thy hand: for thou hast filled me with indignation.”

Contending for the faith, once delivered to the Saints,


Bible Believer said...

Yes I get some funny looks too when I tell them about Christmas.

I don't hammer people about it either, try to be kind, and take the opportunities as they are shown to me. LOL a lot of people do ask, "What are you a Jehovah Witness?"

The Santa Claus thing, don't forget this link, I use it a lot.

I have even asked people, don't you think lying to kids about Santa Claus, sets them up not to believe you when you tell them about God?

Hey when I was a little kid the whole Santa Claus thing and reading a Thomas Paine essay--I was a voracious reader who could read adult books by age 9, started me on the early path to atheism.

It would be tough to live in a very Catholic country, I do feel for you. your country needs missionaries, and have prayed for some Bible believing ones to go there.

The IFBs 99% of them seem to celebrate Christmas, even my old one did. I gave the pastor there a bunch of phamphlets, I like him, he was on spot with so many things but why didn't Jer 10 faze him?

Nativity plays are Catholic to the max. Guess I am not surprised. The Emergents are even all doing stations of the cross and Evangelical churches here have started celebration of Lent and Advent and Sat night church.

Yeah they pretty much going that way.

Yeah I used to apply Col 2:16 to ALL HOLIDAYS til I was convicted to apply it only to the Jewish OT holidays! I mean given the endless warnings about Babylon why on earth would the Bible say don't judge when it comes to pagan holidays? I know I had read this from some false preacher when I was a new Christian to start with and asking about Christmas on Christian message boards.

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Bible Believer said...

The scriptures about birthdays, I'll have to pray and think on.

An IFB doing Advent? I know many of the Baptists in America are going down Emergent highway...doing Lent and Advent, though the IFBs usually haven't added that on, but I would be surprised.

I'll pray for missionaries to Ireland. Definitely needs it. How much control is Ireland still under Rome? Our news makes it sound like the country has gone secular, and no one goes to church anymore there. I doubt that there is very many bible believers there.

Bible Believer said...

correction, "is" should be last sentence...

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