Wednesday, December 12, 2012

December 21, 2012, another false date

I see people getting nervous out there, who do not know the Bible or the warnings about date-setting, one knows the December 21, 2012, date has been been pushed, with the Mayans used as the ones claiming the world would end at this time.

Avoid Date Setters!

Are memories this short? Anyone remember the 1999, 2000, start of the millennium rigamarole? What's the next "special date", 2020? Today we are even seeing the 12*12*12 nonsense too.

While the NWO "could" make use of the date, for a variety of "planned events", I am not worried about the world ending that day, and neither should you.

Matt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

One interesting thing I found is some of the Mayans, are now saying and I am paraphrasing here, "Hey the world is not going to end, we are going to enter a new dawn of peace and understanding". Hey you know the same concept the New Age teaches? The same one where I talked about on the "global awakening" thread. Never forget Satan's lies are the same across the board. The more religions I compare, the more the same lies are told. The shamans are all joined together from so many native religions with Satan's demons, and it's the same tune, everytime.  Sometimes words fail me to even describe the immensity of what is being set up, but it's from so many avenues, the 'new globalist consciousness" that ALL false religions including the Mayans have looked for and speak of. Warning Mayan priest who follows a false religion speaking.

The sad thing is watching self confessed Christians fall for this stuff. I used to read on some of those weird so called Christian websites, about the Nephilim returning on this date. Hasn't Tom Horn made use of December 21,2012 and Mayan prophecies? Ah yes, see the video below:

The world is getting to be a stranger and stranger place, both the government and Vatican decided it was important to tell us NOT to worry about December 21, 2012...

You'll see in the Vatican article they bring more lies into the mix, with the typical Catholic notion that the world will keep going on which is warned of in 2 Peter 3:3.

Vatican: World not ending, despite Maya prediction

VATICAN CITY (AP) — The Vatican's top astronomer has some assurances to offer: The world won't be ending in about two weeks, despite predictions to the contrary.
The Rev. Jose Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory, wrote in Wednesday's Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano that "it's not even worth discussing" doomsday scenarios based on the Mayan calendar that are flooding the Internet ahead of the purported Dec. 21 apocalypse
. Yes, Funes wrote, the universe is expanding and if some models are correct, will at one point "break away" — but not for billions of years. But he said Christians profoundly believe that "death can never have the last word."
The Mayan Long Count calendar begins in 3,114 B.C., marking time in roughly 394-year periods known as Baktuns. The Mayans wrote that the significant 13th Baktun ends Dec. 21. 

All this fuss over calendars, which there are so many systems of it is not funny and which have been altered time and time again.

 Daniel 7:25

King James Version (KJV)

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.


Anonymous said...

What Alex Jones is to the "truthers", Tom Horn is to Christians. Alarmist, sensationalism, with just a little bit of truth stuck in here and there to keep 'em coming to both Jones and Horn.

Anonymous said...

Great job on this Bible Believer! I got so excited to see you nail this so right about date setting and "Nepilim"that I could hardly read the rest of your article! Okay I'll go back and read the rest now, but Thanks for this one!

Awww but I get sort of confused... please understand... I don't get why you still link to contendingfortruth and wolvesinsheepsclothing.... both of those guys are all about and love the false doctrine of the Nephilim. I've followed those links and read or listened to their stuff on the Nephilim and they are just not getting it right.

It reminds me of this part in Judges where they used a certain word to tell where the person was from, because they "couldn't frame the word correctly".

Judges 12:6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.

The Hebrew Word in Gen 6:4 CORRECTLY translated !giants! in the KJB is this...

H5303 (King James Concordance)
נפל נפיל
nephîyl nephil
{nef-eel'} nef-eel'
Total KJV Occurrences: 3
• giants, 3
Gen 6:4; Num 13:33(2)

Not Nephilim the word structure is totally different.

If the person teaching, speaks against the KJB, I can't listen to them, but if the person uses the KJB but can't say Nephil, but instead says Nephilim... I just can't listen to them.

Bible Believer said...

Agree Tom Horn and Alex Jones are pretty similar! Some truths, lots of sensationalism, etc.

With Contending for Truth, I've kept that one up for information but I do not endorse links anymore. Wolves in Sheep's Clothing, I have written and told him directly I disagree about the Nephilim, there is a lot of good information on that one, and a pretty quick run down of the NWO and how it operates so think it is a worthwhile link. Interesting about NEFIL vs Nephilim, didn't realize that.

Yeah it's kind of creepy how these so called "Christian" teachers jump on the false religion bandwagon {New Age, Mayans HERE, etc} to sell their work. It's the 2000 Y2K stuff all over again but in a different format.

Bible Believer said...

Saw this article today:

This guy needs to read the BIble

Genesis 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the follow up links in you comment BB. The “ark” article reminded me of those making and selling underground bunkers, underground seed bunkers and living quarters and community housing or even condo's underground.

Like these for sale for just such use.

I do believe underground is where (in holes and “dens”) many will try to hide, because the Bible does say they will. I think this is demonstrated by the past and predicted for the future. Here are a few verses, that I am thinking support this idea. [Please consider reading these verses fully in the Bible for context, to get the full picture of what was taking place.]

Jer 16:16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the Lord, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.

Micah 7 “out of their holes like worms”

Isaiah 42:22
But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.

Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Of course not for Dec 2012 end of the world stuff. That is a total hoax, and it bothers me to no end that “Christians (main stream media/ministry types)” come in with the “I told you so” --after the fact--- but not before. In other words, you won't hear much debunking go on about Harold Camping BEFORE the date he predicted Christ would return, only AFTER the date is come and gone will you hear much.

Ben said...

"Awww but I get sort of confused... please understand... I don't get why you still link to contendingfortruth and wolvesinsheepsclothing.... both of those guys are all about and love the false doctrine of the Nephilim. I've followed those links and read or listened to their stuff on the Nephilim and they are just not getting it right."

Is this the attitude of a Christian or a Pharisee?

I've read Wolvesinsheepsclothing and I can say that his research is top notch. He is also obviously a Christian who is trying his best.

I too believed the Nephilim doctrine in the first few months I was saved, and that didn't mean that I was not saved. It simply meant that I was and am fallible.

I can guarantee that he, like I did, believes the doctrine because he sees what the New Agers (who get their doctrine from demons through channeling) are saying about aliens, DNA upgrades and UFOs.

Christianity is not about how much more you know than someone else, but in whom you place your trust.

I understand your desire for truth - I too have it - but the nephilim (or nephil, as you say) doctrine is not what one should use to check if someone is a Christian.

I've heard plenty of people say 'oh, yeah the Nephilim stuff is a lie and those who teach it are heretics' but follow with: Did you know you need to keep the Sabbath to be saved OR do you know that you can lose your salvation?

Which heresy is more dangerous?

JL said...

hmm, wolvesinsheepsclothing, I stopped visiting his site for reasons Id rather not say.

Anonymous said...

Hey Ben, let me recap to see if I understand what you are saying.

1. Only a Pharisee would call “foul” to foul teaching. (False doctrine of Nephilim)
2. It's okay to continue to teach foul teaching as long as you teach other “good stuff”
3. If you actually do know someone is teaching error about “Christianity” don't say anything.
4. Use straw man arguments to twist the focus away from false teachers, and point the finger at the now new “heretic” who didn't say anything of the sort in a new false accusation against them.

Nephil is what is written, and it really does mean giant. I didn't write it. I just don't twist it into saying Nephilim.

Mattwofour (Wolf In Sheeps Clothing -author) has taken the self appointment to point fingers at all kinds of “symbolism” of the devil, calling them heretics so to speak who use such symbols, and fringes deeply into pure superstition at times. So yes I can understand how he might also follow the “superstition of the Nephilim” . (that makes it twofold more hypocritical of him --it's like cult “a” calling cult “b” a cult while remaining a cult themselves)

This false doctrine of the Nephilim, stems from false teachers, and there are some here who also used to believe it and did turn away from it. I was reading “Fanatic for Jesus” blog (also linked above) and that appears to be the case there, for example. (I think)

The false doctrine of the Nephilim is utterly vile. It supposes nothing but utter heresy and superstition, and is not at all Biblical in any sense. Bloodline? Jesus was born of a VIRGIN. “male” Angels? Jesus said they are neither married nor given in marriage, and since there is not a single solitary mention of any kind at all anywhere at all in the Bible of female Angels, then these “male” Angles were created homosexual –supposing-- they were equipped to procreate at all, which they had to have been, in order to mate with humans. (who's doctrine teaches spirits have babies? -yep- Mormons...)

God flooded earth because of the devils mixing with women??? Revelation records God is able to make the earth swallow up the flood of evil the devil spews at the woman. He doesn't need to destroy all of the earth because of them, but MANS sin is the reason for this Judgment. The Sin and evil is Man's own doing, ya ain't gonna git away with sayin' the “devil made me do it”. Your sin will send you to the devils hell however.

Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Judgment on the earth will turn you to Christ, if you are a Christian, and away from Him into deeper rebellion if you are not.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

4HisGlory said...

Good article exposing this Myan new age lie.
Have you visited their site
They are promoting a recently released docudrama (part 1 of 3) called "The Shift of The Ages" with a message to the world that instead of the end it's a new beginning for mother earth and her children. its all about global harmony and a renewed spiritual shift which they are hearing from the same demonic spirit guides and voices that main stream evangelicals are hearing from. A global awakening and convergence they claim is about to permeate the earth like no other time in history, so the spirit guides have told them.

These demonic voices identically spoke to the following persons concerning a One World religion: Madame Helena Petrova Blavatsky, Annie Besant, Alice Bailey and her Demon Spirit Guide, Djwhal Kuhl, Benjamin Crème, Lord Maitreya, the Lucis Trust (formerly The Lucifer Trust), and the Theosophical Society.

The Mayans, including these individuals mentioned above, should be household names to all Christians as the Bible tells us that if we diligently and independently study God’s Word, God’s spirit “will lead us into ALL truth.” (John 16:13) Unfortunately, almost no Christian has ever heard these names or knows anything about the enormous, sophisticated, Satanic deception that is rapidly gaining momentum and eventually will envelop and totally assimilate all organized Christianity. Protestant Christians will first be joined to Catholics. Then the Protestant/Catholic combination will be merged with paganism, and finally the entire world will embrace atheism. But the New World Order Illuminists, knowing that there is a desire in the heart of every person to worship a “god,” will quickly provide that “god” – Satan – masquerading as “Lucifer, the Light-Bearer.” The whole world will worship Lucifer as their god.

The Mayans here are simply promoting the same lie as all the others. It's no coincidence why so much of the same language, buzzwords, and mantras are being used by nearly every single self proclaimed pastor, leader, and the philosophers and professors (such as Richard Foster, Dallas Willard, etc), not to mention the catholic spirit guides (Henri Nouwen, Thomas Keating, etc).

Anonymous said...

Ben makes a great point. I always go to their description of the Gospel to see if they are a false teacher. No other issue makes any difference if they are going to be in eternal torment in the lake of fire, no matter what else they get right.

Ben said...


Please visit my site and find one heresy I teach before trying to say that I'm someone that would protect false teachers or false doctrine.

I agree with you that the nephilim issue is not female/angel contact and that the KJV is the only non-perverted English Bible, that was not my point.

My point was not that you should not speak out against false doctrine, but that you should not write WolvesInSheep'sClothing off completely for falling victim to one false doctrine.

The comment was not an attack on you as a Christian, but your attitude of condemning anyone who teaches something that is simply an error on their part.

My point is: The man is highly likely a Christian that is deceived on one issue. Go talk to him directly about it. If you find that his logic is way off, show him. If he doesn't repent and continues to spread error, then expose him.

That is how we contend for the faith.

Ben said...

And thanks Anonymous 2.

It has taken me months of torment to come to that conclusion :)

I am so so thankful that Jesus Christ opened my eyes to the true Gospel and saved me by it.

However, ever since then, it's always felt like:

Where is the Gospel?

You either get license ('believe' and continue in sin. A complete misunderstanding of what salvation is) or faith + works to maintain salvation (without realizing that Jesus taught that by works none are justified, and that faith in Him will lead to good works, because without Him we can do nothing!)

Sorry, I love ranting!

God bless you, my friend.

Anonymous said...

Hi again Ben,
Don't be offended, but even tho' I use Anoymous for a name, I do take what I say with the utmost care and caution, because every thought of ours is known by God. Nothing is hidden from Him.

1. I have “talked” with “Matt TwoFour” about this issue. And he continues to teach this garbage.

2. I can't write anyone off completely until they die.

3. “Falling victim” to one false doctrine, is never the case, and this false doctrine of the Nephilim isn't just a teeny tiny lil ole harmless error. It's utterly reprehensible and vulgar and vile, and is a direct attack on the very Person of God, it undermines and distorts the Nature of God, and confuses and distorts Who the Being of God really is. It's the current day Arianism --against the Trinity. To -accept- and -defend- and -teach- this Nephilim --total garbage-- is to reject Christ and teach others to do the same.

4. He does not teach the Gospel anywhere on his site, I asked him directly several times “what is the Gospel” to which he refused to answer, mis-directed the conversation, brought up false accusations and so forth. He told me... chapter 10... (YOU won't find ANYTHING at all like what you have listed on your site Ben)

5. You are reading a site (here) which makes much ado about all kinds of false teaching, and you must sit in some type of agreement with this, so why is it okay to reject one false teacher, and accept another? (the reason in this case is because you really don't think the false doctrine of the Nephilim is such a big deal)

*1. Link to what I already said to Matt TwoFour (control “f” in your browser and find nephilim on this page you will find my comments

Demons... are held in “chains of darkness” until... the judgment of the great day.
2 Pet 2:4, Jude 1:6 ...are twisted by the false teachers of the Nephilim, look up these verses and notice something else...

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

Darkness is living in lies, they can't comprehend or adhere to the truth, Devils only lie, they are held there in that darkness and only lie. This false doctrine of the Nephilim is quite literally Doctrine of Devils.

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

DEPARTING from the faith...!!!

You can count it a fact that lies are opposite of the truth, and when the false teacher supports and defends the false teaching, every pillar of that doctrine is false, you can just about be certain that every aspect is --backwards or twisted-- of the truth.

He (Wolf in Sheep's Clothing -author “Matt TwoFour”) appears totally blinded (or not) by this false doctrine, and continues to teach it as truth when it is a total lie. Teaching lies??? = LIAR!!!

Anonymous said...

I see nothing unbiblical or sinful about believing that the "sons of God" in Genesis is referring to fallen angels. For me it is the only thing that makes sense.

Not the sons of princes, and not the descendants of Seth.

Bible Believer said...

The Nephilim thing took me MONTHS to figure out though I knew something was majorly OFF, and even then I had help with a book, written by Cathy Burns that helped toss some of the confusion away and some bible verses where to me the Nephilim stuff didn't add up. There was too much weirdness connected to it. I tend to think with Matt, this is something he needs to study more. Aren't there areas we all need to study, his time does seem far more reduced, so I guess I look at this as a matter where it took me a matter of months with God's help to get it clear in my head--I felt the same about Christian Zionism by the way. While Christians want to be seeking after truth and desiring of God's Truth, and correct doctrine, we need to give grace especially when some matters are going into major complexity. If you took 20 Christians self confessing ones off the street, how many could even define Nephilim or what it means? Look at the Nephilim thing, how many are WARNING out there about it? Most are promoting it. Except for the Cathy Burns book, when I wrote that article I had almost no sources, same for the Christian Zionism article where there finding people who are not representing some other false side, such as the anti-semitics, etc, that was very difficult. I agree the Nephilim stuff is vile, and I hope and pray Matt relooks at it, and re-examines it, and I myself have ASKED him to as well. One reason I saw through the Nephilim stuff and felt it was OFF, was my occult past, why? I read all that Gnostic stuff about Watchers, and junk like that. It was too familiar you see.....


Bible Believer said...

Want to add the MOST IMPORTANT REASON I see through any of the false STUFF, is the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit said, WRONG WRONG when it came to supposed half-DEVIL humans walking around.

Too many verses in the Bible against that one,

But in the fog of all these Nephilim teachers and more, yeah, we need to tell the truth but realize some people need the study, and time to figure it all out.

Bible Believer said...

Maybe to some I am erring on the side of grace here. I may write him about it again.

I told Matt, that the Nephilim teachings are showing up with too many of the false teachers, there is a reason for that.

Tom Horn, that one is enough to rethink your support of the Nephilim teachings.

Bible Believer said...

For newer readers here is my Nephilim article...

Bible Believer said...

To other anon poster, good points.

One thing about ALL the false religions of the world, they have converged on their desire to see the new consciousness of humanity and global unity, the same luciferian lies. That may good for a post to basically out line that all. Thanks. The Mayans are no different, not at all.

Anonymous said...

"I agree the Nephilim stuff is vile, and I hope and pray Matt relooks at it, and re-examines it, and I myself have ASKED him to as well."

I am not sure what is vile about thinking that fallen angels came down and breeded with human women creating monsters that were half human, Giants.

JL said...

My two cents...i find it strange that Mattwofours did not answer the anon's question, "if Jesus cometh in the flesh". That is very suspect to me.

Thanks BB for the Nephilim link. Now this is being discussed, its a great time for me to study this.

4HisGlory said...

Shift of the ages demonic message from the Mayans site: There is no end of the world, but a beginning of new human consciousness. Their famous quote in the movie is "The Farthest Journey you will ever take is from your mind to the Heart" (where there is supposed inner divinity and all goodness). The bible says "The Heart is Deceitful above all things". Love what Jesus said in Matt 15:19-20 concerning the heart of man: "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. These are the things which defile a man". God commands all men everywhere to look outside of themselves and to the Cross of Jesus and repent. The devil's lie is to look within your heart for the answer.

Anonymous said...

Anon said; ”I see nothing unbiblical or sinful about believing that the "sons of God" in Genesis is referring to fallen angels. For me it is the only thing that makes sense.”

1. Where in the Bible are angel rebels who reject God, and apostates and ungodly haters of God called “sons of God”? If they were in fact “sons of God” (as in angels who obey God following Him) they would not be “fallen” and not concerned with a thing like a God ordained “marriage commitment”.

Adam is a son of God, made after His likeness, and God breathed life into him.

Luke 3:38 ...Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 5:3
And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

Which of these statements make sense?

A. God created Angels with male sex organs to mate with, but didn't give them anything to mate with. Maybe they would evolve into something else or were a process of evolution?
B. God created Angels with male sex organs to have sex with other male Angels, but they don't produce any spirit babies they just do this because they don't have anything else to do.
C. God crated male Angels with sex organs and human seed, which He knew would fall and mate with humans and violate them so He could wipe out the humans.
D. God crated male Angels with sex organs but didn't know what would happen, it was just an experiment that He couldn't control, and it just didn't turn out the way He thought it would.
E. God crated male Angels with sex organs in the hopes that one day He could create female Angels so they could mate with the males and “create” spirit baby angels.

Or how about this?

Mark 12:24,24
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Angels do not have sex organs, not human organs not spirit organs.

The fact is, the trustworthy and accurate King James Bible clearly and distinctly uses the term “sons of God” here in Genesis to be HUMAN FLESH specifically created --after His likeness-- and in rebellion! Man's sin was so great, and disgusting and horrible and only evil continually that Judgement from God came. Read it in context and just believe what is written, as it is written in the King James Bible and take it as fact and not fiction as it is written [with simple child-like faith] and don't read something else into it.

Gen 6:13 ...The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them;

Who is being judged in Genesis 6?
Flesh = 5 times
Man = 10 times
beast, creeping thing, fouls of the air, off of the face of the earth (no mention of angels here-- remember-- even Gen 3 declares punishment on the serpent for the lie, the supposed angel rape Nephilim that caused all this problem supposedly.... doesn't get mentioned or logged for judgement here? No!!!)

Why was MAN judged?
… the wickedness of MAN was GREAT
EVERY imagination of the thoughts... EVIL continually
Corrupt, Filled With Violence, ALL CORRUPTED THEMSELVES (Gen 6:12,13 for further study see also 1 Cor 6:18 in context.)


Anonymous said...

Anon said; ”I see nothing unbiblical or sinful about believing that the "sons of God" in Genesis is referring to fallen angels. For me it is the only thing that makes sense.”

2. Spirit made flesh? Adam was the first human flesh created, and we are given the BIBLICAL account of how and where and Who is responsible. Let the accurate, reliable, trustworthy record in the KJB stand as it is written... He was formed by God Himself (on the 6th literal day of creation), not a product of evolution, NOT a spirit baby dropped off on earth.
Gen 1:26,27 Begins the accurate account. And in Gen 2 the reliable record states... “Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. God the Holy Spirit expounds in Gen 2:7,8 That Adam was formed from the dust of the ground and placed in Eden. And Woman from man... Gen 2:22,23 (and 3:19) and the first THEREFORE in the Bible! Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

CREATION is FINISHED. Man (Adam) was given direct dominion over the animals-- “beasts, creeping things, fouls of the air” which also fall under the Judgment of God in Gen 6 along with the human race-- Adam. Sin is against God, and pollutes absolutely absolute!

What was that first sin?
It was doing the only thing he was told not to do... Gen 2:17

But how could he have possibly done that???
It starts here... by listening to the devil, who starts the conversation questioning the Word of God and building doubt and mistrust in God. The devil perverts like this; “I have a secret...” Gen 3:1 … Yea, hath God said... [“He (God) didn't really say/mean/expect –that”] Gen 3:5 ...then your eyes shall be opened... [“if He did, well... it's only because He doesn't want you to have what he does... he wants to keep you as a slave and uneducated and ignorant of the truth”]

The Goal?... Destroy faith in God, destroy trusting that God is good. Destroy the fellowship with God.

The Tools? Subtle misdirection... Switch faith in God and trusting Him as Trustworthy; to …
A. Faith in works, do enough good things, or do not do enough bad things, to make up for your own evil, because you know you are open and naked before God. He sees everything you do and think. (cover with fig leaves 3:7)
B. Faith in faith, just believe “whatever” strong enough... all roads lead to god, find your own path your own truth, just believe it and it will be. Just be sure to believe it strong enough, then you can blame something or someone else. (“she gave me...” 3:11, “the serpent beguiled me...” 3:13) [“oh look” “there is a satanic mark over there...”]

This physical sin and mistrust and broken faith against the Eternal Perfect Pure (Holy) God, is corrupt. Totally. The evidence? Physical Death. (just as God said)

“For as in Adam all die,...” (1 Cor 15:22) (read this chap now)

...even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Jesus who is God adding on human flesh to become our sin for us in order to put it (eternal death) to death, is the very first FLESH to enter the “spirit realm”.

Jesus is the ONLY human flesh in the spirit realm we are like, and He was like us in the flesh, but His flesh is new body forever incorruptible.

To teach that fallen angels had human flesh before Christ is to teach the Bible is false. It is an attack upon the nature of God Himself, and is as the same heresy Jehovah Witnesses espouse, that Jesus is nothing more than a special angel. (less than the “fallen angles” actually)

“Faith IN CHRIST” as God our Saviour isn't just a saying! it is an action, with a direct object in mind. Wholly Trusting and Clinging to Him as Faithful and True as if you life depends on Him.

Anonymous said...

what a bunch of gobbly-gook; you people have way too much time on your hands.

Matt TwoFour said...

Hey BibleBeliever, how are you?!

This is Matt TwoFour! God bless you in all your efforts. Maybe we should have a "Nephilim" discussion at some point. Or maybe you're 'over' it by now? I'm happy to make a few comments.

I just happened on this 2 year old discussion when I recently googled my own pseudonym "Matt TwoFour". Very interesting conversation. By the way, I give out my email to anyone and everyone who wants to discuss things --

Matt TwoFour said...

Hey BibleBeliever, how are you?!

This is Matt TwoFour! God bless you in all your efforts. Maybe we should have a "Nephilim" discussion at some point. Or maybe you're 'over' it by now? I'm happy to make a few comments.

I just happened on this 2 year old discussion when I recently googled my own pseudonym "Matt TwoFour". Very interesting conversation. By the way, I give out my email to anyone and everyone who wants to discuss things --

Bible Believer said...

Hey I am willing to have a Nephilim discussion with you. I have studied more on the topic since then. I'll send you an email Matt. I wish you had kept blogging, I enjoyed it very much. I hope things are going well for you and your family. Hey if you get time read some of the recent articles here.

Bible Believer said...

Matt check out this article too.