Imagine you are at a church conference, and you speak out against someone you believe is a false teacher and in this case has been exposed as a fraud even by others, and instead of anyone hearing your complaints, or listening, they get 6 security guards to grab you and arrest you for speaking out.
I decided to post on this because this is scary how Costa Mesa would have a man arrested for speaking out against a false teacher. Freedom of speech is gone in churches like this. Cults get people arrested for speaking out. Cults use every weight of the law to crush those who disagree or dissent. Remember they didn't just seek to avert the situation they saw as so "challenging", they pressed charges.
What kind of church has a "security squad" that is ready to hustle you away and detain you for speaking out? One thing I noticed is they had the handcuffs ready. Note to folks out there, get out of any church that feel it needs hired or appointed goons to "control" the place, it's either too big, and has already lost the plot. What kind of church members see your "disagreement" as automatic grounds to have you hustled off to jail?
This was at a conference too, not a church service.
Ephesians 5:11 provides documentation and letters at the links. [This is not an endorsement of the blog below but for information about what happened]
Calvary Chapel ARRESTED Member Warning Brethren - THE DOCUMENTATION Part 1
Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa Member Arrested When Warning Brethren of Ergun Caner
[See here too]
"Former NBA player Nick VanderLaan, a recent money-giving member of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa, tells his story of being detained against his will and then arrested for speaking out at a meeting to question the presence of the controversial Ergun Caner.
He attended a special meeting at CCCM featuring Ergun Caner as the guest-speaker. Previous to the meeting, Nick expressed his concern to CCCM Leadership, believing he had the right and responsibility to do so as a giving member of the Church. His concerns were basically ignored.
At the meeting, Nick stood up to challenge Caner’s presence. He was non-violent and merely spoke out and spoke up. Calvary Chapel Leadership knew who he was. Nick and his family were known quantities, attended a trip to Israel with Chuck Smith, counseled with pastors there, dedicated their kid at the CCCM pulpit etc etc.
He was immediately surrounded and detained by the Calvary Chapel goon squad (my opinion, my description of the security guards and CC personnel based off of their subsequent actions). The goon squad cuffed Nick up, took him to another part of the church, denied him bathroom and water and detained him against his will for a prolonged period of time. Santa Ana police arrived later and arrested and charged Nick."
Calvary Chapel Abuse also has posted on this matter..
"Former NBA Player, Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa member, detained against his will for speaking out at meeting, arrested, then acquitted"
What gets interesting is Ergun Caner, asked the audience to respond and Nick did.
"This incident was not during a church service, but during a conference. In the 36-second YouTube recording below, you can hear Ergun Caner seemingly inviting audience response by his words: "So if you've got a problem with me, hit me up and tell me what I did wrong." VanderLaan's response was: "I have a problem with you. You're a liar, you're a fraud, you need to repent."Ergun Caner HAS been exposed by others who were concerned about serious contradictatory statements.
While memories can grow foggy, and mistakes made, the below contradictions are very serious ones.
"In London, college student and blogger Mohammad Khan also began looking into Caner's past after watching sermons he thought showed odd blunders in Caner's knowledge of Islam.
Soon Khan, White and other bloggers began e-mailing and sharing suspicious errors and contradictions they found in Caner's videos and online writings.
In some accounts, Caner said he grew up in Turkey in a climate of "Islamic jihad." In recorded sermons, he talked about coming to the United States as a teenager and converting to Christianity. In one sermon, he put it more bluntly, saying he was trained to do what the Sept. 11 terrorists had done.
Yet, in a book he co-wrote with his younger brother, "Unveiling Islam: An Insider's Look at Muslim Life and Beliefs," he said their parents wed in Sweden and the family moved to Ohio when Ergun was a young boy, an account he also has provided publicly.
Indeed, bloggers found his parents' divorce records showing the family moved to Ohio in 1970, when Caner was 3 or 4, contradicting his account of teenage years on the cusp of Muslim extremism in Turkey. Bloggers also pointed to suspicious mistakes an Islamic expert was unlikely to make and timelines that did not match up."
Ergun Caner is on the Missler list of Board of Regents. so has been mentioned on this blog before. His is a name that crops up quite a bit on the religious right circuit of speakers. The fact of the matter is, if you 'fake' being part of a religious group or organization, there are so many subtleties and complexities, in religious groups, that pulling this off is very difficult. Knowing the inner world of a religion is very different from studying it from the outside.
While normal people can make mistakes, memories especially over many years can fade, trying to present yourself as something you were not, will be found out.
As you can see in the articles exposing Caner, even the other Muslims stated he was not accurately describing things. That is where the subtle stuff comes in. How do you claim that you lived in one country years apart from when you actually were somewhere else? Or that you were a would-be teen Jihadist when your family lived in Ohio?
Back to what Nick VanderLaan went through, when one is facing charges this means expensive lawyers, incredible stress, and then there is the humiliating emotional and physical effects of being hustled off and arrested. One thing, Nick VanderLaan was not a stranger to this church, pictures are shown on the Eph 5:11 website of him next to Chuck Smith and having a child dedicated at a service with his wife. He was a known member but they treated him like dirt. There was no excuse for him being treated in this manner, he spoke out and was non- violent, and the speaker himself called for a response.
The charges thankfully were dropped and Nick was acquitted but this brings into question how these churches are operating, and how some are not hesitant to use the full boot of the state to get dissenting church members in line. There are things happening out there, where the control freak pastors are running their church fiefdoms like overlords intent on never being questioned and hustling off those who do say anything.
Here is a case in Michigan where a elderly woman, who disagreed with a new pastor, at a church she had attended for decades, was arrested and hauled off the property and charged with trespassing. Later charges would be dropped but she went through the humiliation of being deposited into the police car, in front of her church members. It looks like she was forced to leave her church in the end.
What kind of man has an elderly woman who can be no harm to anyone arrested for speaking out? There have been other cases such as a man hauled out of a church and arrested for complaining? Isn't that a bit overdone?
The false pastors are going to town where there is no mercy, no compassion, and treating church members with the utmost of disrespect. Spiritual abuse is a reality as well as the planned and purposeful intention to squelch dissent in the churches by any means possible. This may range from having church members sign 'contracts" or "covenants" to never disagree with the pastor or talk about matters with each other, usually what the pastors wrongly define as "gossip", to getting those arrested who do dare to speak out and tell the truth. I talked about these methods of control in this article: "Silencing Dissent in the Pews"
One thing with the false churches, and I wrote this article a long time ago, for persecution of Christians, church and state DO marry, and did so under the Roman system and are doing so today with the evangelical and other daughters obviously.
Those who do speak truth or who make stands, will be hustled away. The false pastors are invested in silencing those who do speak out or warn the brethren, if they can't discredit you, they will find other ways to shut you up. Cruelty and control at all costs is what matters to these types.
Jesus warned about the "synagogues" [churches] In this article, I pointed out, it will not just be GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS that oppress and persecute the Christian but THE CHURCHES, as warned by Jesus. This obviously was shown via Rome's Inquisitions, but will of course happen as we are in the last days, by the Roman influenced false church system.
"If you notice Jesus Christ did not just warn of governmental authorities oppressing a Christian, but also RELIGIOUS ONES."
Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
Luke 12 11 And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:
12For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
While in America, there is still some legal recourse left for defense though it is expensive to get charges dropped, pastors like this are not on the side of freedom and are supportive of police state mentalities and actions for control. These are the issues that have them running to call the police while abuses and such, go undealt with. Notice what they call the cops over and then notice what they never report or hide.
What kind of country are we living in too where just saying something at a meeting and disagreeing with a speaker means the automatic reaction is to get someone arrested? That one floors me, and what of the people that sat and watched him get hustled away and handcuffed? That alone should tell you something has rapidly changed in our culture.
I am sure all those silent and shocked folks in the pews, all learned the false lesson to never speak out except one day it may be them getting arrested with fear and control ruling the day. It's too bad no one else stood up. That is a shame. I believe one should speak out whatever the risk. This is not a popular view nowadays obviously. What does the Bible tell us? Paul and the apostles spoke out and were arrested themselves. Those who speak out like Nick should be respected for their boldness.
46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
This is today's broken down apostate church, where the wicked rule, and the good who speak out are arrested. Don't think they don't know what they are doing, when they get someone arrested, it's training, for blind obedience for those who witness it, training to isolate, ostracize and or forcibly REMOVE anyone who speaks out for the truth and MAKE THEM PAY. These church leaders speak of grace but offered absolutely none here.
With Nick VanderLaan, there could have discussion, he should have been allowed to speak out against Caner and inform the audience about what has been exposed and then let them do the research for themselves. There was no need to have him arrested. There was no need to force him for what he said into an expensive legal battle to clear his name. I will be praying for him and his family.