Friday, October 5, 2012

"Pulpit Freedom Sunday"

This Sunday is "Pulpit Freedom Sunday".....

Pastors pledge to defy IRS, preach politics from pulpit ahead of election

More than 1,000 pastors are planning to challenge the IRS next month by deliberately preaching politics ahead of the presidential election despite a federal ban on endorsements from the pulpit. 
The defiant move, they hope, will prompt the IRS to enforce a 1954 tax code amendment that prohibits tax-exempt organizations, such as churches, from making political endorsements. Alliance Defending Freedom, which is holding the October summit, said it wants the IRS to press the matter so it can be decided in court. The group believes the law violates the First Amendment by “muzzling” preachers.
“The purpose is to make sure that the pastor -- and not the IRS -- decides what is said from the pulpit,” Erik Stanley, senior legal counsel for the group, told “It is a head-on constitutional challenge.”

Stanley said pastors attending the Oct. 7 “Pulpit Freedom Sunday” will “preach sermons that will talk about the candidates running for office” and then “make a specific recommendation.” The sermons will be recorded and sent to the IRS.
  I suppose that specific recommendation will be to vote for Romney.  None of these guys will be warning about the new world order. More 501c3 churches doing their battling with the IRS and entering into the deceits of politics. Sadly many in the churches will be listening to their deceived culture wars pastors telling them to go vote for Romney. Evangelical ministers all lining up to tell their congregations to vote for the Mormon candidate. I have heard sermons like this myself except in those cases it was to vote for Bush. When I was in my one IFB, the pastor there was more indirect about things, but basically told us to go vote for Bush and re-elect him in 2004, I ended up writing a complaint letter and telling him the facts about Bush even giving him an article where Bush praised false religions. He would respond politely but sadly, the religious right have so many in their sway. With the taxes and such, this may sound odd, but I question even these churches tax exempt status and of course we know where the 501c3 leads which is into more bondage.

Matt: 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

see: False Culture Wars and the Manhattan Declaration


Anonymous said...

Get rid of the 501(c)3 status and you're free to do what you want...until then an individual church is married to the state.

Anonymous said...

Many churches have forgotten what their purpose is suppose to be....

Surely it isn't politics.


Anonymous said...

The 501c status of churches is both a curse and a blessing. The curse is that it puts them under the thumb of government which puts them under a gag order. However, why do pastors have to talk about politics from the pulpit? Have they not taught their congregations how to think for themselves and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit in their lives? There is nothing to keep individual Christians from expressing their views just so long as they do so as individuals and not speaking for their church.
I don't see this as a major issue as the protesting pastors are doing. When they took the tax exempt status they knew full well what the rules are and they should obey the laws.

Now for the blessing. What is a church to do with monies taken in? There has to be some accountablity. If the church is not a non-profit they would be taking in tithes and offerings to support the church and pay the pastor a wage. All these things have to fall under some kind of law within the government. What choice is there? In order to operate in a land where there is a government, one can be a nonprofit and the government respects the operation of the church. That is a blessing. And all they ask in return is that the church not get involved in political activities. Okay, that should be no problem if the church is not a cult and people are equipped to make right choices. They don't need a pastor to tell them who to vote for.

I think it is stupid and rebellious for these pastors to disobey the rules to which they signed onto.

Anonymous said...

Right on Doug! If they would do what the Church has been called to do, spread the Gospel and teach the Word, people will be equipped to make right choices. The pulpit is not the place for politics.

Now the moral issues are another matter, but the Church's role is not to change the government, it is to change the hearts of people.
We should be thankful that the government allows churches to operate as they should. So far, the government has not restricted what is taught, but actions such as these pastors are doing, to defy authority could very well bring about negative results.

Anonymous said...

An additional thought - do away with the tax deduction and see how many genuine Christians will still support the churches and the work of the Lord.

Are these preachers willing to give up that benefit? The tax deduction should not be the motivation for giving - the Bible says every person should purpose in their heart and it should be Spirit-led, not tax law driven.

That seems to be the Achilles Heel of the 504C3. It is a necessary evil, for the accountability of monies, but do away with the tax deduction. Are people willing to truly trust the LORD with their finances? I think the answer would sort the true from the false.

news4themasses said...

Did anyone get arrested? If they want to be politically Incorrect, they should stick to preaching the WHOLE infallible word of God. ;-) I think the only ones who do this are looking to get Lawyers and Book deals.

Anonymous said...

Im scared. What is happening to the churches? I dont even recognize it anymore. Its so political and angry now. If you thought racism was bad, see how polarized a country gets over politics. This is the only article i found warning about this mess. This is getting really scary? Where is the faith of the saints? Why is Christ outside the church now?

Anonymous said...

"Why is Christ outside the church now?"

Because many churches have thrown Jesus and His Gospel out the door and have became a social club instead.


Anonymous said...

Oh praise duh Lawd! The preacherz iz exorcizing their rightz!

I think not!

They are strengthening the Satanic delusion of politics. They are doing their part as ministers of dakness and deception to maintain the false dilema and the false hope of the party politics system.
Who offered the kingdoms of the earth to Jesus? Who is the God of this world? God has delegated authority over the kingdoms and politics of this earth to Satan. God is not in politics. Satan is the god of all politics. He presents you with two puppets from which to choose. Whoever you choose you get Satan's man.

You are blinded by the god of this world. You are blinded by the hegelian dialectic that he has set up for you. You are deceived by the divide and conquer of Satan's politics.

Come out of the strong delusion of Babylon! But you will not because you are having a good time in this sinful and fallen world. You think that you can make a heaven on earth out of this doomed world if only you can get the right people elected. You are wrong. This world is headed into the waiting arms of the destroyer.

Your only refuge is in Jesus Christ. You had better drop the politics and run for the sanctuary of the Lord.

Bible Believer said...

Hmmmm Let me see if anyone did get arrested?

You know if they really cared about "free speech" theyd give up the 501 3c status then wouldn't they?

Found this...

"The Internal Revenue Service has yet to revoke the tax exempt status of any of the participating churches."

All these guys seem to be supporters of married church and state.

Guess all those warnings about Rome bypassed the lot of them.

Anon, the churches are losing it. I still remember the day, the apostate IFB preacher in this area, told us never to criticize a politician, I wanted to throw up right then and there.
I'm tired of the politics too. Right and left, I see people fight, and it's all nonsense. You tell them too about what both parties are joined together on and it flies over most people's heads. Finding a pastor that is NWO-aware and being shown the truths about the world-system regarding globalism and the one world religion and government seems rarer then rare.

I agree most of these churches have ignored God's Word and are deceived in their fallen away status.

Agree with the last poster, yes look at the rights they fight for, while due process and right to a trial is stripped away from the USA [don't see any of them protesting NDAA] they protest for their right to be willing dupes and sychophants to Republican politicians. I find it rather pathetic, and their silence in most cases regarding the other issues speaks for itself. Yes they are fooled by the party politics system, the heg

hegelian dialectic, and the two non-choices, where they now clamor for everyone to vote for a Mormon, who actually helped to install some of Obama's programs. One thinks how dumb can people be? Honestly, it is not mere "dumbness" here, but spiritual blindness to the core.

I have directly warned pastors of the delusion of the religious right, most cases, it seems they are listening far more to Fox News and the mainstream media rather then reading their bibles.

Bible Believer said...

I told one recently that Fox news is owned by Knights of Malta Rupert Murdoch and that Rush Limbaugh is a shill. I wonder if he is considering what I said. These are the same ones too who praise more wars.

Kayfabe said...

Yup I don't think Churches should have 501 C 3 Tax exemptions. They should divorce themselves from the State and go back to an early Church Model. They won't do this tho, they got too much skin in the game. If they do that then there won't be as much a need for people giving financially because they won't have big mortgages to pay on buildings. They also won't need to pay the salaries of a paid staff or marketing department. Also the Church could preach what it wanted to without worrying about losing some tax status.

The Judas Goats are leading their 501 C 3 congregations likes lambs to the slaughter which will end up with them being part of the AntiChrist World Church System. I mean there is all kinds of restrictions anyways for 501 C 3 churches as far as how much help they can give their congregations and what they can preach on. Imagine the early Church applying for some type of tax favor with Rome. They are under the thumb of Caesar. Without the big buildings and paid staff there is way less of a need for money except for those in need or even a Pastor and his family if they need to be taken care of for any reason.

Kayfabe said...

My advice to anyone looking for a place to fellowship would be to stay clear of 501 C 3 Churches. There will be a decision point for the Pastors that head these places and that decision will be to either go underground-home church route or stay 501 C 3 Governement Church. Going the Underground-Home route will bring about persecution for these Pastors and their flocks and staying the 501 C 3 course will be a spiritual death knell. Unfortunately $$$$ talks and that is where the 501 C 3 will have the Pasors by the throats. It will be much easier for them to remain in the Government Church System thatn to "come out of her". This where Christians need to be vigilant and rely on the Holy Spirit to guide them into all truth. See if you put your trust in these Pastors then you will, be more likely to follow them when they decide to go head long into Mystery Babylon. The deception is oh so subtle and the scary part of it is IT WILL FEEL GOOD AND RIGHT.

Bible Believer said...

I agree with you Kayfabe, actually the tax exempt stuff is against the Bible IMHO. They do need to go back to the early church model, you are right too many of them do have too much skin in the game or $$ on the line. No more asking for donations for big sound systems or thousands of dollars of {missions trips} or endless conferences. No more being run like big businesses.
You got that right Kayfabe. We know the majority are leaving their congregants right into deception. If so few now, can't even warn of the basics, what will happen when things really get bad?
I've never met a NWO aware pastor, found one online but then listened to his sermons and they were filled with numerology and other markers. Perhaps a few exist but it seems most would be drummed out. There may be a few guys afraid to open their mouths who toe the line, but then if they are afraid now, where the risks are fewer, what of later????

I agree this is akin to desiring tax favor from Ceasar, and once you are in that place, you are theirs. I know from other non-profits that even obtain 501C3 status is a multi-layered process and immense in the undertaking and you are right about all the "rules", perhaps there are some for churches we are not even aware of beyond the ban on politics.

I agree with your warning in the last post. Today I am more telling people to stay out of churches rather then look for an organized 501C3, home churches etc, are different. I agree they will use these pastors when the time comes and already are using them today. Remember the warnings about FEMA using pastors that arose online even acouple years ago. The "owned" pastors will be used to DIRECT their congregants.

Bible Believer said...

correction above, LEADING into deception.