Monday, October 29, 2012

Fans of The Whosoevers are not happy with this blog

The Whosoevers: A "Christian" Band and Their Interesting Graphics

Check out the comment section.  Pray that this article will bring some to think about the issues raised.

Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Adding a few pictures here later 10/30...[Notice the response to the article that started the comments,] It reads "SERIOUS WARNING: The Whosevers, Head, P.O.D., Fieldly -are all from a Satanic cult, HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!"

Looks like it got a few folks to think......

Keep praying that more young people see through the deception.


Anonymous said...

It seems that someone linked to your blog from a fan page or something of these bands. That is why they're all here.

What I find most interesting is, their unloving responses to what you have to say. They might not agree with you, but if they were as full of love as they claim, couldn't they express it in love? Or just let it go? I never understood why a person would be so bothered as to go on a rampage, and to waste time with a post flood like this?

It just makes them look guilty and convicted.

Bible Believer said...

I agree.

I received many not so nice messages, at least several with cursing in them, I left out.

Maybe some of them will read a few of the other articles, I hope so. I hope a few fans came over, read the article and starting thinking and questioning.

I am surprised I was linked to, to tell you the truth, given that this means, some of their fans are going to see the "other side' and the biblical warnings and dicussions.

That can only be for good in my opinion no matter if the truth offends a lot of people.

Romans 9:33

As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Anonymous said...

Wow, Church of Laodicea was out in full force yesterday. Looks like Whoseover is working hard to discredit you. I wish the group wouldnt stop at John 3:16. They really need to include John 3:17-21 as well. Post flooding is definitely disrespectful. Thank you Bible Believer for standing up for the truth! You finally comments were the absolute truth.


Anonymous said...

Oh btw- if you had to leave out some posts due to foul language, it shows the "fruit" this ministry is producing.


Anonymous said...

Brian Head Welch posted your blog on his Facebook page. He and his band have their picture on the Facebook page. It looks like something out of a horror movie.

On poster asked: " And no one sees anything remotely wrong about this?This is how Christ wants to be represented? No matter what anyone says we all know that the goth look,imagery is from satanic roots.I love heads music I'm not calling out his look but you gotta be able to universally be able to tell the diff between light and darkness"

Excellent question. Excellent point.

I wonder if Brian Head Welch will even answer this.

I'm glad to see that some people are questioning.

Instead of Brian laughing and mocking at the ideas you have presented, I wonder why he wouldn't use the opportunity to explain why they use evil looking images in their 'ministry'?

Thank you again for doing all this research.

Anonymous said...

Brian Head Welch posted you to his facebook?

And so he set you up to be called a "pharisee", all the while himself being a pharisee in the sense that by his behavior, he makes it clear that nobody is allowed to have a different view than his.

Ironic, really.

valerie said...

Dear Friends,

I am hesitant to post at all considering that this is my first time to this blog, and that I did come here yesterday due to the post I saw on Brian's facebook page. I tried to post a few comments on the other thread but they were never put up (and no I promise I had no foul language!!!!! sorry for those who did.)

I just want to offer a little info as to who this unfortunate thing happened, referring to your blog getting flooded yesterday. It may seem that the flooding was intentional but from someone just watching this all, I think it's more due to people just wanting to stand up for an artist and a movement that they love. You must take into consideration that you are speaking about a group of people who have chosen an alternative lifestyle; who have chosen to live outside of the norm of what society calls acceptable. This group of people are used to being judged/misjudged, they are used to being looked down upon and called "dark" just based upon their appearance. I truly believe that this is why you received the reaction that you did. I am sure that no disrespect was intended, but more probably you just got caught in the cross winds of something that they were reacting to emotionally.

I know that the Whosoevers are all clean cut, and I agree that after we come to Christ, He changes us and starts cleaning us up. But I also know that Brian Welch truly loves Jesus, and that Ryan Ries, however new he may be to Christ, truly has the Holy Spirit working in his life. It may not appear that way from an outside perspective, but as someone who has followed Brian, and subsequently the Whosoevers, over the last 5+ years, I know that the Lord has used him to speak to the world, and when I step back from that, and realize how powerful the Lord is, and how much He loves people... how much He is willing to go to the farest reaches to bring them to Him, I am amazed, and thankful, and can't help but wonder what we all might accomplish for Him if we could all hold Him in common, be removed from the world, unite for Him and affect the world with Love. : )

Bless you all, your sister in Jesus : )


Kayfabe said...

For those of the Whosoever followers that keep bashing Religion they may want to read this scripture.

James 1:27-"Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself UNSPOTTED FROM THE WORLD."

Anonymous said...

Valerie wrote: "be removed from the world"

I know that Valerie meant well. I believe that. She was the only civil comment I read, and her comment actually appeared to have true Biblical/Spiritual fruit.

But her comment about be removed from the world, is ironic.

Because darkness, and even the appearance of darkness, is not edifying. These bands are intimidating, angry-appearing, and not peaceable as the Holy Spirit is peaceable.

I don't depend on some band to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ anyway. I do it myself as my Lord told me to.

I find it interesting that this Korn guy looks like he wanted to pick a fight in all this. Like he wanted this fight. That's not peaceable either. The way it was done by this Korn guy, was not Spiritual. It was done as the world does things.

And that is what makes Valerie's comment, ironic.

Anonymous said...

Far as I can tell, this whole thing is because they feel "kicked out" of churches? So they should start churches and glorify the Lord that way, instead of criticizing people that aren't interested in their kind of stuff.

Evangelists are fishers of men. They might argue that they are reaching a certain segment of population. Okay. But with their appearance, they turn off tons of other segments of populations with such a dark appearance. That's not a good fisher of men, but whatever. They obviously wouldn't agree with that.

I would love to read a doctrinal statement from some of these guys, since, a person isn't even a Christian without right doctrine. Forget outward appearance (and they seem obsessed with outward appearance). What is their doctrine? That matters far more.

Allen Bishop said...

These "Christian" bands are all about glorifying one thing, and one thing only; their bank accounts.

Valerie said...

I was trying to offer a little more information, since it seems that this blog post is so one sided. However, it seems that you are all pretty fixed on your intent to hold to your opinions and continue judging.

There are other things in the world that are "dark" besides someone's appearance, such as, the turning of one human soul away or against another human soul that is in need of love. Or writing someone off based upon appearance, instead of walking a mile or two with them to meet them where they are at. The Lord does not see through human eyes, His ways are not our ways, in fact, they are high above. I will not continue this, if you are happy in your current state of mind, then that is your business. It's just sad, you miss out on a lot of love that way.

Jesus was not too go for anybody. I wish that could be the standard, instead of religion.

Anonymous said...

Aren't a lot of these guys in their 30's and 40's? When do they stop doing it? Can you imagine a guy in his 70's and 80's still looking like these guys? They'd be the laughing stock of society, and rightfully so. Like a senior citizen in a speedo.

When does a person grow up and put away childish things?

Anonymous said...

Valerie, your straw man, is indeed, straw.

I love all people from all backgrounds, cultures, tastes, mores, trends, and fads.

I don't have to look like them, to minister the Gospel to them. And the Lord has used me to reach people from all kinds of backgrounds, all only by His grace. I didn't try to dress up like any of them.

1 Corinthians 9:20 has a limit. But to each his own.

By the way, discerning is not judging. If there are people out there that disagree with you, so what? If you're right, then you have nothing to worry about. But if you become argumentative (you haven't, but many from his facebook have filled this site with it), then you just look guilty and convicted.

Anonymous said...

Those that are against this appearance of darkness, are accused of being "religious". But for all this bemoaning of such rejection of darkness being "religious", I think these guys in their outfits look very religious. They look much more religious than a guy just walking down the street singing praise to Jesus in his heart.

What their religion is though, I don't know.

Kayfabe said...

1 Corinthians 13:11-When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Allen Bishop said...

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter "

"And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted"

"By their fruits", indeed...

Anonymous said...

"Valerie said...
I was trying to offer a little more information, since it seems that this blog post is so one sided. However, it seems that you are all pretty fixed on your intent to hold to your opinions and continue judging."

(1 Cor. 2:15-16). “But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.”

(Eph. 5:11). “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.”

1 Cor. 6:5). “I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?”

(1 Cor. 5:3, 12). “For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, ... For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?”

Anonymous said...

1 Thessalonians 5:22 "Abstain from ALL APPEARANCE of evil."

Bible Believer said...

Thanks JL, yes I agree about the "fruits" too and the Church of Laodicea was out in fullforce. What I have noticed in a few years, is they have so gradually warmed up the pot, that now even the OVERTLY dark things are now acceptable.

I am glad a few people thought about things but it was mostly the "script" run-down, you "hater", how dare you "judge", etc... etc.

What is sad too, is the whole idea that they reach out to the "fringe" and the belief that only snobby and stiff upper lip "church" people would say anything about the dark imagery. I think this is a total deceit for those who are hurting, or who may be on the "fringes" of society and just another way to trick them into thinking satanic symbols and more are only questioned by the "snobs" and the "uncool".

Eph 6:11 KJV) Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Bible Believer said...

I agree why does everyone have to look the SAME?

Haven't some of you noticed how some of these guys all DRESS JUST ALIKE, and expect their fans too?

Manufactured rebellion a phrase I used elsewhere, where everyone who shouts that they are a non-conformist, end up being extremely conformist in copying the same dress, using the same symbols and "attitudes".

Hey I don't like it when the "conservative" Dominionist side goes STEPFORD but how is this any different, where the color de jure of everyday is BLACK with a little bit of red tossed in?

It seems that Satan has everyone marching blindly into their little "demographics" and "sub-cultures" [alternative cultures] and very few are renewing their minds according to God's Word instead. Their first concern becomes this world and savoring the things of men.

Mat 16:22-24 KJV) Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. {23} But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. {24} Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Anonymous said...

Why would Ryan Reis want to meet you on a stage to explain the symbolism? Why not explain right here?

Does he want to get you on a stage where all his followers will be so they can just attack you like they did on your blog?

One of the posters put lyrics to Brian Head Welch's song Adonai, but left out the lyrics: I will attack!

Bible Believer said...

I agree why not explain right here?

Allen Bishop said...

BB, the reason they want to make a spectacle of it, is because these folks exhalt themselves first. They know that they have the resources and the backing to further justify themselves, and in turn, gain more money and power.

Rather than humble themselves, they are looking to make a show out of it.

Does this seem like the type of behavior that would be exhibited by someone filled with the Holy Spirit?

I don't think so; their attitude is indicative of their self-righteousness. I am not one to judge their hearts, but they neither behave, nor display any type of action that speaks to glorify Jesus Christ.

A good tree doesn't bear bad fruit...

Anonymous said...

I'm new to this blog, led here by Head's post on his Facebook, for total transparency. I had a question for the regulars: what do y'all do for a living? How do you serve your community and/or church? How has Christ made a difference in your life regarding what you do for those around you? Me, I'm 40, a paramedic for a Level 1 Trauma Center, married to a NICU nurse for 12 yrs, and we have 4 kids. I serve my church, a campus-based, student-focused church by mentoring staff and newly married couples with my wife. I have been part of the church since my freshman year, 1991, when I got serious about following Christ. I'd like to include more, make it seem like a list of stuff on a 'Jesus Resume,' but I'm honestly more selfish than I'd like. I know my neighbors, kind of, but got to meet a lot of them last night taking my boys Trick-or-Treating. I got into my line of work because 'Christ's love compels me.' I see a lot of 'defending my turf' comments from both sides, but that does nothing for the Kingdom. I'll check back later for your responses.

Anonymous said...

I keep wondering if Ryan Reis will now claim that he asked for time on a stage to dispell the 'lies' and was refused! He knew it wouldn't be a good idea to meet on a stage.

Bible Believer said...

What does anyone do for a living matter on here?

That is what the world asks of people to see where they fit on the pecking/status/socioeconomic order. Every dinner party in the world, "What do you do?" I am ok with IRL people asking basics getting to know one another, but wonder about it here. I would rather that my readers do not answer.

Perhaps some of my readers are very poor, or homeless reading this blog at the library, that was my only access to the Internet for years. I am not in a church and this applies to other readers of this blog. Given where the USA economy is going and unemployment is rife....asking someone WHAT DO YOU DO is a pretty loaded question.

This world makes what you "DO" of all importance and your status and job in society. Salvation is via faith, not via 'doing'. Yes good works may come via faith but why boast? Why ask others to boast or make a list?

I had enough of that in the Catholic church where well-meaning women I knew with kind but misdirected hearts even worked til they dropped "proving" themselves to the world.

I do not believe Jesus's kingdom is OF THIS WORLD or seeking after position, titles, or status here.
I have noticed this trend in the churches. I hope you do not take this wrong, and glad you have a career you are dedicated to but think about what I have said.

God is no respecter of persons.

Why do you want to know about people's works? Why do they need to make a list to "prove worthiness"

Matthew 6:2
Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

There are many who have obtain status in this world who think their endless conferences, numbers in seats, world-wide travel, denotes them as a person of "importance".

To God such things do not matter.

Bible Believer said...

Pertaining to the matter of NOT being in a church, read HERE:

Bible Believer said...

"keep wondering if Ryan Reis will now claim that he asked for time on a stage to dispell the 'lies' and was refused! He knew it wouldn't be a good idea to meet on a stage."

This is very possible.

That statement also made me think about how the STAGE has become so important in the false "Christian" world.

Where some put on the "show" and expect others to watch.

Allen Bishop said...

Worldly things impress worldly people...

...Just sayin'...

Anonymous said...

Well said Bible Believer. That Anon's comments about what we do for a living what they do in church just smacks of Luke 18:12.

To the Anon that asked those questions-For me, I don't have a church home. Check out Bible Believer's link, because it sums up why we don't have a church home.


Anonymous said...

Oh my goodness. That request was very odd. What people do? That was just a very strange question from someone who follows Jesus Christ of the Bible.

My prayers go out to everyone one this blog that God will give us His wisdom and discernment in these days.

Anonymous said...

I don't attend church.

I've always felt like "church" was in my heart.

Anonymous said...

What I do for a living is, live for Jesus (Colossians 3:1).

I think the "every day is halloween" shtick of Head and company, is silly.

Anonymous said...

That's funny. I was thinking the same thing "every day is halloween" for the Whosoevers with the fixation on skeletons, skulls, demons, etc.

This is all very similar to a certain female false teacher a number of discernment ministries were blogging about and her fans reacted very much the same with the name calling, ridiculing and cussing.

One young lady on BHW's Facebook page voiced her concern and confusion about Brian playing a Korn song at Valley Bible Fellowship is Las Vegas. She said it took her focus off of God.

I think she hit the nail on the head (no pun intended). The focus is not on the Jesus Christ of the Bible. It's on the Whosoevers.

JL said...

Here's another good article about why we are not in church.

Lisa Ruby said...

Bible Believer,

You posted about demonic markings on the Whosoevers way back on August 1st.

Brian "Head" Welch waited until two days before Halloween (the Halloween window of opportunity as I call it) to post his outrage on his Facebook and for all his "friends" to start posting over here.

The Halloween timing is one more marking -- a most telling one.

Anonymous said...

The year is 2012

Out of love and concern for others, a Bible believer tries to expose a ministry that embraces images of skulls, skeletons, demons and other overt occult symbolism while saying how much they love Jesus.

Bible believer's warnings are:

a). Thoughtfully considered

b). Ridiculed, despised and rejected - by people who say they love Jesus

Anonymous said...


This situation makes me sad. You have those on both sides that are well-meaning.

Judging, "pharisee" - those types of words need to be considered closely because they are being thrown around too often.

I hope Brian and the Who...are sincere. I think there are too many questionable things that should be answered. I think Christians in general are very loving and forgiving and are willing to overlook things to err on the side of love.

Thank you for this article. You are in a tough position with nothing to gain by posting this.

I always question motives, and I know the motives of the Pharisees seemed to be pride, position, power, wealth, and making their own rules. I know you don't fit that category. Jesus was angry with them because they led the people in the wrong direction. Who has the most to gain or lose in this situation? Are you looking to gain? I see you trying to warn in a loving way - looking out for others, which by the way, seems to be the exact opposite of a Pharisee of Jesus' time.

Jeff Nelson said...

Actually, it seems to me that a lot of comments on this blog do seem to be out of pride. I've seen alot of blogs bashing alot of other churches, and double standards left and right. I've seen people who like to gather and pray being attacked because they're making their faith be "seen" in front of other, yet everyone wants others to know that they are praying for the hurricane victims. How do you know that everything that you are saying is truth? How do you know that just because someone is doing something "different" from you that it is unholy? I see these guys reaching ALOT of people for Jesus, and just because they wear clothes that you don't agree with, that makes them a "cult"? When we become saved, that does not mean that God molds us into identical robots and that we lose our personality. I recall Paul saying that he became all things to all people, so that a few might be saved...If these people will not reach out to the lost, who will? I can guarantee they won't listen to you. If you have a metalhead all pierced and tatted up, do you really think that he will EVER listen to a suit, or an old rendition of rugged cross? They are planting seeds in the highways and hedges, as Jesus commanded ALL of his disciples to do. How about instead of bashing others, we take a look in the mirror, and pull the plank out of our own eyes first? You want to know who the biggest deceiver is in your life? LOOK NO FURTHER THAN THE MIRROR

Anonymous said...

"I recall Paul saying that he became all things to all people, so that a few might be saved...If these people will not reach out to the lost, who will?"

Paul NEVER conformed to the world to reach lost people.

1 Corinthians 9:27 Paul says, “But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.”

In Galatians 5:13 he says, “For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.”

Paul also taught that believers are to “abstain from all appearance of evil” (1 Thess. 5:22).

“Learn not the way of the heathen” (Jer. 10:2),

Paul would be all things to all men, as long as those things were not sinful, and against biblical standards.

Anonymous said...

If they're reaching part of the lost, why try to stop them?

Anonymous said...

Dear Jeff, We are only following what the Bible tells us. When God says to avoid all appearance of evil, I take that seriously.

I love Jesus Christ and his Word. He saved my life and restored me.

I am heartbroken that a ministry of Jesus covers itself with images of skulls, skeletons, spirit of rebellion, demons, one-eyed symbolism which represents the evil one, etc. Why do they do that?

That is all stuff that I saw on my heavy metal albums from the 80s. Metal bands wanted to look evil as possible so they put skulls, creepy sneering skeletons, demons, one-eyed symbolism, etc. on their album covers.

Jesus and his disciples didn't change themselves to appeal to others, they just told the truth.

It has been very difficult lately to see how the new age movement has taken over the church. I was going to a church that was beginning to teach new age spiritual formation. I asked the pastor about it and he denied it. What a shock. What an eye-opener. Since then I have discovered that a lot of teachers I believed are not telling the truth. It was very overwhelming at first. But I choose to believe the Bible - not man.

Jesus is not darkness, rebellion - why is that being used to bring kids to him? There is something wrong.

It's like, if my ministry is about saving drug addicts, I don't put pictures and detailed art work of rigs or hypodermic needles, and pipes, marijuana leaves all over my website and T-shirts.

You are saying one thing, but doing another. Something is wrong.

False teachers bring people to another Jesus - not the Jesus of the Bible.

Galatians 1:8 Let God's curse fall on anyone, including us or even an angel from heaven, who preaches a different kind of Good News than the one we preached to you.

The problem of teachers teaching another Jesus, a false Jesus has been a problem since New Testament times, and the Bible is full of warnings about this. We must test the spirits to see if they are from God. The Bible tells us to do this.

I John 4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

Reaching out the lost, but bringing them to another Jesus is what the problem is. I have to ask myself if that is what the could be doing.

It's not about bashing others. It's about having discernment and testing against the Word of God.

I'm glad you love Jesus so much. I hope you are reading the Bible.

Thanks for listening

Anonymous said...

To the last anon comment, as to why try to stop them - I think it is simple.

We do not want people to be deceived by anyone masquerading (if they are) as Christians, especially the young people.

If Head and the others are sincerely born again Christians, then we will see a change from darkness to light. There has been lip-service, but there is still darkness surrounding them, by their choice I might add.

I wish Head and the others the best, but will not endorse their use of occult symbols, dark themes, and walking with others that also do the same, and when called on it by Christians, mock and laugh at them instead of stopping the use of wrong themes and symbols. Why embrace the darkness, while claiming to lead others to the light, Jesus Christ? It doesn't make any sense.

Anonymous said...

Exactly, thank you. We do not want people to be deceived by masquerading Christians. There are so many out there right now. I've never seen so many false teachers in my whole life.

False teachers talk about Jesus and God all the time and can sound soooo good. The emergent church teachers talk about Jesus a lot. But it's not the Jesus of the Bible. It's another Jesus.

The new age movement talks about Christ. The Christ who is reappearing on earth to bring peace, love, unity and cure poverty, etc. Such lovely sounding words. But, according to new age authors, their Christ will destroy the people who do not go along with him. They will go through the selection process and be eliminated.

The Word Faith people like Joel Osteen and Joyce Meyers have so many followers. I think they talk about God and Jesus. But they tell you to put your faith in words, not Jesus Christ.

To see a ministry teach Jesus while covering themselves in symbols of death and darkness is something to pay attention to. It's double talk. It doesn't make any sense.

Anonymous said...

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Mathew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

Romans 16:17

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer. I timothy 4:1-5 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6