Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Billy Graham website scrubs Mormon 'cult' reference

Billy Graham website scrubs Mormon 'cult' reference
"The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association removed language labeling Mormonism a “cult” from its website after the famed preacher met with Republican nominee Mitt Romney last week and pledged to help his presidential campaign. The removal came after a gay rights group reported that the “cult” reference remained online even after Graham all but endorsed Romney, a Mormon, last Thursday. Ken Barun, chief of staff for the Charlotte-based Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, confirmed the removal on Tuesday. “Our primary focus at the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association has always been promoting the Gospel of Jesus Christ,” Barun said in a statement. “We removed the information from the website because we do not wish to participate in a theological debate about something that has become politicized during this campaign.” Surveys show that most evangelicals do not consider Mormons to be Christian, but most still support Romney’s candidacy. The GOP nominee will need a strong turnout from evangelicals, who tally a quarter of the electorate, to defeat President Barack Obama on Nov. 6. Romney met with Graham and his son, Franklin, in the elderly evangelist’s North Carolina home last week. After the meeting Graham said he was impressed by Romney’s business career and his “strong moral convictions.” According to Romney campaign spokesman Rick Gorka, Graham told the GOP nominee, “I’ll do all I can to help you.” Romney later held a campaign rally in nearby Asheville."
Talk about putting politics above everything else. This is the typical hypocrisy of deceivers like Billy Graham. I searched for Mormon/Mormons on the BGEA website, there were 6 articles that came up, at least 5 of the articles looked liked direct references to Mormonism being a cult were removed.


Anonymous said...

His spokesman said they don't want to "politicize" things? He just did, by removing the truth that mormonism is a cult! Why remove the word cult? For POLITICAL reasons!

But I haven't listened to Billy Graham at any point in my entire life, so, no loss for me. My research based on the words out of Billy Graham's own mouth, shows that he's been off track for 60 some years. So what's new?

Anonymous said...

Right, more of the same. He gave credibility to Catholicism in his ecumenical stance many years ago, why not Mormonism? Graham has always cow-towed to Presidents and if Romney is elected, he would have no choice but to pray with him and pretend he is a Christian. One can assume his son Franklin is in agreement and will carry on the legacy of compromise.

I do believe that Romney is the lesser of the evils and Christian have responsiblity to vote, but we tend to want to mix the Church with the government and call this a Christian nation which it never has been at any point.

One's religion is immaterial when running for office - we have freedom of religion. Those who are lifted up as heroes by David Barton and his ilk were Freemasons, spiritualists, and Deists. The freedoms afforded to us have been largely squandered. The Church is supposed to be the Church, but compromise has trumped discernment and leaven has overgrown truth.

Anonymous said...

It is not mandated anywhere in Scripture that Christians vote. This is a civic "duty"; we are not bound by it above allegiance to our heavenly duties to be separate from the world. Politics is of the world. A vote for the "lesser of two evils" is a vote (support?) for evil. No thank you. There is a reason they call it "dirty politics"; and as Christians, I believe I ought not "dirty" my hands with any of it. God is the one who sets the kings upon their thrones, and He is more than able to continue to do so. Anonymous #3

Anonymous said...

wow...i dont have much to say. Billy Graham chooses politics over the cross. where is this all headed too? what will be the end result of this rampant apostasy in the churches

Anonymous said...

"I searched for Mormon/Mormons on the BGEA website, there were 6 articles that came up, at least 5 of the articles looked liked direct references to Mormonism being a cult were removed. "

More of that wonderful ebonics, I see. Proof reading helps.

Anonymous said...

"If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." 2 John 1:10-11

Graham has already said that he believes that non-Christians are saved. It should be no surprise that he would also accept Mormonism as a legit gospel.

Anonymous said...

Welcome to the end times reality show...seeing fulfillment of 2Thess 2:3 broadcasted right before our eyes. This fulfillment is sponsored by "The Marriage Between Church and Politics"


Bible Believer said...

Sorry I can't afford a proof reader like the bigwhigs can. Funny how their reams and reams of writing are always perfectly written, I always wondered how they came up with literally hundreds of pages of error free books, conference phamphlets and more. Anyhow is that you Katzee?

Bible Believer said...

First Anon, yes he has been off track for 60 years and getting more so as he ages. The son is no different. One wonders why none of the adult children of such types ever seem to think for themselves either. I guess there is profit in riding coat tails.

Bible Believer said...

Yes second anon, you are right Graham is setting things up so he or the son will have access to the halls of power and another president. I doubt either of them will warn him of the error of Mormonism but what does that matter, Graham and his son have the false ecumenical gospel, they are all going to the same place.

I agree about the founders being deists, and freemasons and about Barton.

Bible Believer said...

One point how is Romney a Lesser evil? They are all freemasonic brothers behind the scenes. Equal evils more like it.

Bible Believer said...

Totally agree, JL

Bible Believer said...

Totally agree, JL

Anonymous said...

Just started reading this blog during the last few weeks. Keep up the excellent work.

We shouldn't be surprised by this from BG. He sold out long ago.

Let's face it, Catholics and Mormons are both cults. How hard is it to see that, each group follows after a man, one Joseph Smith, the other, whoever is "elected" pope.

However, BG wants access to the halls of power, so there you go!

Additionally, I agree with not voting. You are not required by law to vote, so if your conscience is leading you to know vote, then don't vote. If you think you should, go ahead, but don't be fooled into thinkning anything is going to change.

Anonymous said...

If you look at history, we have always had a choice between the "lesser of two evils" for POTUS. There have been those posing as Christians, but you have to sell yourself and buy so many favors to get to the top you can't possibly be a TRUE Christian.

So what Anon # 3 is saying is that Christian citizens of the U.S should never vote. Hello! Our freedoms were not given to us by the government, but my the Lord and I think He expects us to treasure them and exercise them to the best of our ability.

That includes freedom of speech, freedom to worship, etc. We don't live in a dictatorship......yet and we do have a voice.

So, if I vote, it will be with guidance from the Lord, not from any advertisements, debates, etc. It will be as to is our best hope to maintain a climate of freedom to reach the lost and do the Father's work until we cannot do it anymore.

I think believers can "agree to disagree" agreeably on this point and respect one another. If one is convicted not to vote, don't. If one is convicted to vote, do. If a Mormon is elected, it won't be any worse than electing his running mate, a Roman Catholic. We can still expose the lies of Mormonism without demonizing individuals and the same with Roman Catholicism.

Yes, I do believe that politics has become so corrupted it is no place for Christians to waste their time, energy and $$$. Rather, devote ourselves to prayer and the Father's business of reaching the lost and disciplilng new converts and combating the lies that are being sold to gullible Christians. And the "Christian nation" is one of the worst. This was never a "Christian nation" - yes, Christians influenced it and there are Christian principles there, but there was never any "covenant" between th3e U.S. and God as the lie being promoted by The Harbinger.

The important thing is to share teh Gospel and disciple and occupy and be salt and light as much as possible.

Anonymous said...

Well I am going to vote for the "lesser of two evils". It isn't going to do harm. And less evil is less evil.

Anonymous said...

It isn't going to do harm? The lesser of the two evils is only going to do the bidding of the people in charge.

I used to think it was OK to vote for the lesser of two evils.

It doesn't matter who you vote for. America is a one way track. We have been given the illusion of choice. The elites have their man picked out. The Bible says avoid all appearances of evil.

Anonymous said...

Deuteronomy 17:14-20 is an election verse. The three things God says is that a king must have is this:

1. He must read and obey God's
word, without compromise.

2. He must be one of the brethren

3.His heart cannot seek after riches for himself.

Anything outside of those qualifications means he is unfit to rule.

Proverbs 28:2 For the transgression of a land many are the princes thereof:

But also keep in mind that whoever wins the election, its because God chose them to win to fulfil His will.

Prov 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.


Anonymous said...

Good point last Anon. One of them is going to be POTUS. Pick the one that has the potential to do the least damage.

It was sickening to see both candidates yukking it up w/the Catholic Cardinal in NY at an event that is "required". No true Christian could ever participate in these antics. This is a secular nation, not a Christian nation, so let's not deceive ourselves. Both end up traveling the same road, they just have different ways of getting there. But one IS better than the other. The LORD is our only hope and we are citizens of heaven, our eternal home. But while we are here, we are to occupy and do what we can to stem the tide of evil, even temporarily.

Anonymous said...

Anon JL - you have misapplied the verses. We do not live in a monarchy, ruled by a king. This is not a Christian nation - we are a secular nation where the laws say that anyone from ANY religion can run for public office. It would be IMPOSSIBLE for these criteria to be met in a secular nation. Honestly I am amazed at some of the logic I hear.

Anonymous said...

I am voting for the lesser of two evils. I am voting for the one that at least pays lip service to say that abortion is wrong. Even if they do nothing to change it, them saying something, is at least better than the opposing side saying that it's a "right". Even lip service is at least better than the opposite message being propagated.

If you say that voting doesn't matter anyway (and you might be right), then how can it harm anything to vote? People's arguments just don't make sense.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks Anon

Yes BG does not surprise me anymore. I suspect Franklin once BG is gone will turn even worse as the years go by.

Both Mormonism and Catholicism add to scripture and take away from it, Mormonism adds even the Book of Mormon and yes they follow after Man. There is a huge overlap between the rituals of freemasonry and the secret rituals of Mormonism. It seems most of the evangelical world has no problem voting for someone who thinks they will be "god of their own planet" one day which is actually one of the enticements of Lucifer in Genesis.

I know voting is a personal decision, on this blog, I will write my opinion, however I do think voting for lesser evils is a bad idea. And have said so on here...

This will be a choice between each person and their conscience and God.
Of course I think there is a right choice but I am not here to browbeat anyone, I've shared my opinion with many people I know as to the real deal with the two main candidates and many are making the decision to vote for one of them. I can only tell the truth from where I am coming from. There is only an ILLUSION of CHOICE, I agree with that especially pertaining to local elections and I am noticing that the elections in bigger areas, well the "connected" are the ones getting in there too. Even finding that proverbial dog catcher who isn't compromised seems harder and harder.

That may have worked in the days before the new world order was in such strong power, with local candidates and the local dogcatcher. Back then people did not know about secret societies and worse, but for those who know? Why vote for one of the CFR and Bildenberger choices? I do vote on occasion, though my ballots are probably strange ones, since I go mostly to vote on non-candidate issues--local issues, millages and maybe your odd state proposal though obviously I understand not voting at all, and there are elections I have sat out.

Lisa Ruby said...

I find all these Anonymous posts to be is very confusing. I think I just read 8 posts in a row by "Anonymous." Such posts make my eyes glaze over because I have no idea which Anonymous is posting and which is replying. It could very well be the same person posting and replying! In my opinion this is a clever way to obscure who is posting and who is responding -- thereby making the "posts" section of the blog completely nonsensical.

It is very easy to get a moniker so that we will know who is who. If this was my blog I would not allow it to be subverted by more than one "Anonymous" poster.

Anonymous said...

Lisa Ruby,

The blogger website demands the creation of a Google account (or other account) to do this. The fact that BB allows an "anonymous" way to post, might be for the sake of the person that doesn't want to have to create yet another account. I'm such a person. I have enough accounts, and Google just does that with blogger, to drum up more accounts, and it stinks.

So BB allowing this, is very good.

JL said...

Sorry Lisa, im one of those I will log in going forth, but the comments initialed with "JL" is me.

One side note. Im black, and I am feeling condemnations from other blacks for not wanting to vote for obama. Im afraid that the blacks are just voting for obama because he is black, and not because of his political issues.

For Romney, the whole dominionist crowd had grabbed on to him, and i dread going to church at election time because i will hear that a good christian should vote Romney.

And to the Anon who attacked scriptures in regards to voting, all i can say is that there is NO law that requires us to vote. Therefore, if the leaders are wicked, i will not vote for them. If you want to vote for wicked leaders, it is your choice. However that is something you will have to answer to at Judgement Day.

Anonymous said...

In the newspaper today: Billy graham takes full-page ad in Ohio newspaper to back Romney.

I agree with JL. Excellent points.

Lisa Ruby said...

Hello JL,

I appreciate you distinguishing yourself from the other "Anonymous" posters by placing a JL in the front of your posts.

How about it Anonymous posters? Would you be willing to place a name or initials (the same name or initials every time you post) at the beginning of your post so I can tell the difference between all you Anonymous posters? This would help me and perhaps others who want to understand the flow of conversation going on around here.

Anonymous said...


I'd be happy to put my name to ID myself. I'm Abe :) I will state that from now on. I just don't want to have to open another account.

Bible Believer said...

I think putting a name on Anon posts is a good idea, even I get confused as to who wrote what sometimes.

I wanted to leave things open for Anon posters on here. I know I do not like to register on blogs and websites everytime. I think if you use NAME/URL, it allows you to choose a random name without a email attached, tell me if I am wrong and you can post that way.

Bible Believer said...

"Therefore, if the leaders are wicked, i will not vote for them. If you want to vote for wicked leaders, it is your choice."

Nice way to sum that up JL.

I totally agree. Why vote for someone you know is WICKED? The "lesser evil" garbage is what got this country in trouble in the first place.

Lisa Ruby said...

Abe wrote: "I'd be happy to put my name to ID myself. I'm Abe :) I will state that from now on. I just don't want to have to open another account."

Hi Abe, Thanks for putting a name to your anonymity so I can more easily understand the back-and-forth with the postings.

I understand people not wanting to open another account.

Lisa Ruby said...

I agree with the Anonymous poster who wrote:

"It doesn't matter who you vote for. America is a one way track. We have been given the illusion of choice. The elites have their man picked out."

Check to see if your library has a copy of Hacking Democracy. This documentary is a real eye-opener.

One reviewer wrote:

This movie is a must see for every American. You need to see how secetive the companies are that make the electronic voting machines and how easily they are hacked. This is the most informative movie you will ever see about the machines we entrust with our democracy. And most telling is when they hack a machine in minutes and change the outcome of a mock election. You must see this!