Sunday, September 16, 2012

The Decline In Love and Conscience

When you have a relationship with God, God does show you what true love, friendship and other things are really about. In a way part of the Christian realizing this world is not our home, is comparing this place to the love we have received from God. If you have been blessed with good Christian fellowship in this world too, it is like a cool breeze across the face, of gentleness and kindness.



 1Jo 4:16    And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.


This may be hard hitting one but one, I've been pondering for some time. I see love ebbing away in a society and yes we were warned of this coming.


2 Timothy 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

To me the best way I can explain things is things are freezing over. In my own life, I have faced times of little love, most humans face this at various times in our lives especially in today's world, many of us have turned to God in our own yearning and in need of  a Savior out of our own brokenness. We turn to God and truly He becomes for us ABBA Father. [Romans 8:15]

For those out there without a family or who struggle with being alone, God has promises for you too. [Don't let the Dominionists who are turning their own family into idols steer you wrong]. I often think about those who are lonely or homeless, or in the world alone and how a disfavor is being done, by this picture of "Christianity" only for the "Quiverful", "Dominionist oriented" huge family types. It's like those who do not fit that picture are disenfranchised from the start. I never like to see churches that are totally family based, the focus being on the family of God, or church "family" is what a church SHOULD be doing. [Mark 3:31-35]

Psalm 68:6

King James Version (KJV)

6 God setteth the solitary in families: he bringeth out those which are bound with chains: but the rebellious dwell in a dry land.


There are good and kind people out there, but one can see the growing hardness in American society. It concerns me. This may be my age talking but even remembering how things were 20-30 years ago, things were not so heavy, not so "dark", not so "dog eat dog".

2 Timothy 1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was

If you are old enough or young and due to God now separate from it all, you have felt the tearing at your heart strings, watching how things have changed. It is a feeling that is even hard to describe, as the march of time goes on, and you think back and compare and believe, even the thinking inside of so many has changed. Some may say nostalgia is a poison of its own, but I think some of it is based on reality, when looking back, comparing and remembering. Of course that feeling can be tied to knowing we are NOT "home" yet, and our built in desire for heaven.

I realize as I talk about this stuff, with people I know in real life, some of the Christians get it, the others seem to think I am some fuddy-duddy "throw back" who wishes it was 1850. No life wasn't perfect back then even, even if Vision Forum would have us believe the world was perfect during the Victorian era, but I have seen changes in my own lifetime that are pretty drastic.

Many are hurting and sincere people out there, but then too we have ones who have bought totally into the system, where life is all about the hamster wheels and the competitive games they have been lured into. One thing I have commented on to people I know, is questioning why and how things have speeded up and the influence of all the technology. Things are growing more subtle and even more encompassing. You know life has gotten strange when you realize even old work conferences brought in the Delphi techniques and New Age brainwashing, or even today recognizing the abuses of language and the insistence on the political correct code. There is very little that is not being affected. When you are sitting a work meeting or another type of conference, and they break out the DISC personality test, which promotes cohesion to the group, there is a reason for it. They don't like it when you say "I do not fit that system, I think for myself". The person doing it probably is fooled themselves and well-intentioned but this stuff is filtering down from the top.

We live in a society where people are literally drugged, and suppressed, into a stupefied state. God given emotions while we are to have biblical self-control, today people are instructed to have as few as possible. It seems even those who dare to look around at what is going on are very few in number. It is all a very painful enterprise.

This is one way Satan keeps people from even desiring the truth. Many follow the keep your head down formula in hope they will be left alone. They do not question, think or ponder the deeper things of life. How many people do you know like that?


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A couple months ago, I felt led to read a popular book called "The Hunger Games". This was not for enjoyment but for exposure purposes. I did not have the opportunity to go see the movie and definitely decided against it. I wanted to see what everyone was so excited about, I knew this was a book, that was meant for the "young adult" crowd but has moved into best-seller status nation-wide especially with the release of the movie. I have to admit the book made me sick and I considered doing a post just based on it and changed my mind.

Even now, I shudder thinking about how this book will be used to impact consciences and more of young people. Situational ethics paired with the hard core survive or else messages were advanced. Massive desensitization to violence coupled with endless blind obedience to authority despite the few "rebellions" made for a very dark picture. I kept asking myself "What made this book so popular?" The book was so violent, I do not know why any parent would let any teen read it, but then we live in a culture deep into all that now. The book was also very depressing. It is scary to me it was seen as even a "fun" book to read it was so horrible.  After I read it, I thought, "Lord help the young people!".

While some said the author was warning about the dystopian society to come, and making a stand against it, just the fact a book where human life considered so worthless was sickening. I really did not see a book as a stand against the NWO but just more double messages. While the heroine has a few thoughts of her own the fact remains she becomes a willing murderer for the state and to save her "own life".  I don't want to get into details of the plot but it is almost like the Romans throwing slaves to the lions but modern style, young people are chosen and told one will remain standing as they fight to the death. While in the book the heroine and hero "rebelled" to a degree against the "state", none questioned the system as a whole, in other words, they did follow the rules of the game, in killing or be killed. Later two would even join the "oppositional" force which turned out not to be much different since later on in the last book, that group wants to hold their own Hunger Games. The book if anything advances utter hopelessness in the face of the unyielding powerful state. The ending in this case is a happier one but does not make up for the other messages pushed. Their lives were miserable on both ends.


I am noticing horrible messages in general in fiction. While the teens heads are being filled with violent video games, vampires and worse, the adults aren't getting much better. One sickening series that is popular now, the "grey" series is even pornographic in nature. Obviously I refuse to read them but have seen and heard the descriptions. I tend to be a non-fiction reader, more value neutral if one screens through the false science such as global warming and other influences, and I am planning to do a post about even the regular reading world soon, but hope, charity, and love are NOT things being promoted out there very much anymore. Why did Hitchens "Mortality" reach the recent best seller list and not a Christian book? Why did someone feel the need to turn Abraham Lincoln into a vampire for adult fiction?  That tells you the priorities right there. The picture above is of the May 2012 fictional best-sellers, what a vacuous display promoting adultery, war, fornication and worse. I read very old books sometimes even to get NICE stories, that are not offensive. Remember Ideal magazine? That is a very old now defunct magazine where they would post poems of encouragement and about courage and even the occasional prayer. Yes times have changed.

The culture warriors are right about the moral values of society declining, we know that has been a steady pattern for years, abortion, fornication, and other sins are getting worse out there. While their solutions are evil, thinking that gov't control will make everyone be good, they are correct about the decline and how rapid it has become  but then while they call out the sins of others, they are blind to the multitudes of their own sin, oddly an extra focus on self-reliance married to extreme helicopter parenting and sheltering for their young people, and speaking of freedom and supporting everything against that freedom. They don't worship the God of the Bible but one of their own making. One can see this even in their symbols they use. What part of the statue of liberty representing the goddess did they not get? They are so innured in false jingoism and American political mythmaking, they can't even remember half the commandments in the Bible.



This ties into our society rapidly becoming a police state, when everyone is in the control everyone mode. Think about those who believe that passing more laws will fix everything. This too is what the Dominionists remain attached to and why they love the police state so much. Laws will not make up for the wicked things men decide to do. You can't legislate morality. Now some well meaning usually more liberal leaning secularists, will say things like "Teach the kids ethics, or to be kind or lets have some anti-bullying seminars" but without God and conviction in individuals, those things will not solve what is basically a soul problem.

Now I am going to ask a few questions...

Do you remember when movies and books had happy endings? Those days seem far off don't they? If you see any old movies, one can tell the difference. Sure there were evil movies in the old days like the Wizard of Oz and Mildred Pierce but there was also ones that were more uplifting. While the NWO started their game even early on, at least movies and shows had some morals to convey and some ideals to uphold. Happy endings while maybe not always realistic were the norm.

Have you noticed that every fictional account of the future is VERY DARK. Everyone is starving, or society has collapsed, or people are enslaved, or the planet is blowing up, etc.... Why do people even want to watch that garbage? I can't figure it out. Sure, given what the Bible tells us, we know what awaits this world, but I have been thinking about this one more and more. The NWO wants you to despair, to be afraid and in that premise gains more control. In fact one thing a Christian must strive for, is while the world goes into utter darkness holding on to God's truth and comfort and COURAGE in the face of what is coming.

Psa 31:24         Be of good courage, and he shall strengthen your heart, all ye that hope in the LORD.

While doing this blog is not always easy, I do make sure to focus on other things in everyday life, reaching out to people, the 'happy' things of life as much is possible and what God leads me too. Remember to do that even keeping sober for the times we are in. Realize that they want this world under as much darkness as possible. 


Have you noticed the dehumanization out there? Where people aren't even seen as human. If named the "enemy" that can get even worse. Hmmm, it's being done with the Muslims. Yes there are wicked jihadists out there, but one thing, look back at history, the Germans and Japanese were "monsters incarnate" once upon a time too. The new world order does this with each and every planned war. Of course other groups do this against different groups, anti-semites, racists etc. I also see it with the Christian "culture wars" which make me more nauseous day by day. Fighting "the liberals" seems to mean more and more even trying to claim they are less then human. Where is the love for neighbors there? Where is the obeying of "Love your enemies?".

John 13;34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

The world will make it all about control and seeking to "rain down fire" on enemies.

Have you noticed the modern "situational ethics"? We know people have lost absolutes. While here one must discern between the police state control freaks and what is truly God's will, there are many who will tell you, "Look out for yourself first" and the "Don't be weak". The other day, a nonbeliever I know told me those messages pertaining to a toxic work environment, I said "Do you want to become like they are?" Some will tell you every situation is different for every person and the context is free-floating and will change the "truth". Here is a place where one better have God's Word in their heart and follow it, above all else.

Have you noticed the attacks on human attachment? If you have seen any fashion magazines lately, I threw one in the trash a friend had given me in a bag of magazines, then you can see for yourself the dead eyed stares that reach out, these aren't happy people but elevated in their aloofness. American society is one where people are becoming more separated, I wrote about this on this article:

Social Disconnection Vs. Loving One Another

Have you noticed the growing fear? Why do they keep speaking about zombie apocalypses? When I hear that garbage or see it in a magazine, I toss it away. I wonder what is going on with that meme which has lasted for months in duration, and it seems not to be going away, as just a short term fad. It seems to be a way another way, the elite are mocking the little people.  With the people they call "zombies", committing nauseating crimes never seen before, a Christian can discern what that is, total possession.

Sometimes I wonder how they are using the societal collapse themes to gain even more control. What if the collapse will be more gradual then that then just a big day of chaos? Anyhow, I have thought about how they have broken down every source of security especially in America for the average person, no more secure jobs, broken down societies and towns, everyone being forced to move to stay employed. This has been done on purpose. Why do so few question what has been done to people's lives?


Have you noticed the growing cruelties which once under pressure seem to be able to grow even greater? We know the news is full of this stuff everyday. This society has become a very scary place for the weak and vulnerable, from the elderly to the disabled. Both are told they are burdens. Those without the protection of family and friends really do face it out there. The messages out there are not of kindness but 'getting over' on people, "winning", "fitting in" and being a good droid that does everything they are told no matter how wicked, by the state, employer or pastor. I've posted about the hatred of the poor and disenfranchised that is growing in this society, 14 articles at count now. Expect that to only worsen. Where is the mercy?

I was watching Andy Griffith with a friend, trust me yes I know TV is far from perfect and realize I have to be careful what comes through on there, and noticed that in one episode, that the character Andy Griffith, talked about how being a sheriff didn't always automatically entail throwing everyone in the jail cell by the book, but caring about community and human beings.



I pointed this out to my friend, "Can you see this happening, in today's bean counter, draconian police state world?" They'd have his badge. I know it is just fiction but do you remember stories about cops throwing elderly women down on the ground 30 years ago? Most police officers are just trying to do a job under heavy pressures but obviously something has changed. Has anyone seen pictures of the police looking like military troops and felt uneasy?

I see grief on a daily basis, from people who have others who have simply been cold and uncaring to them. I seek to try to show love and care to who I can in the world, , but it is scary to see people who have everyone turn their back on them and even a mother who lost her husband see her adult children depart. This does not mean I am perfect myself, with challenges of my own, I worry I do not reach out to others enough. Of course there is a  major difference between those who are facing so much themselves they feel lost and bereft and not much help to others and those who have chosen the ice path to perdition. One can still find caring people, and great friends that like you question the system, but one sees new attitudes out there.

Have you noticed the focus on turning people into "lovers of themselves"?


There are many people out there who are LOVERS of THEMSELVES.[2 Timothy 1-2] The psychologists will toss out names like Narcissistic personality disorder  or for the more severe cases sociopathy/psychopathy, but realize when people lack affection and only care about themselves, the nuances change, manipulation and false charm becomes the name of the game. Vulnerable or loving emotions cease. Some will appear nice [like angels of light and be anything but]. I believe this society is producing "lovers of themselves" like gangbusters, think about the focus given to the young, where everything is about looks, about winning, about competition. I forget where I read this, but an author talked about the culture of self, vs the culture of character and talked about how in the old days, character, or one's moral values and actions counted for most, while today it has been transgressed into those who "fit in" and who has the best looks, the most money, so forth and so on.

I've covered this theme before in passing, but a lot of the false preachers exhibit those personality traits of facile charm, "I'm always right" attitudes,  lack of discomfort or fear or guilt and disregard for others. It's being seen in young people and all over and it's growing. No conviction by God, raised to "win" at all costs, without love or affection and to stomp others down, that is what you end up with.


So many groups in society focus and promote this self-love from Oprah to the focus on makeup, perfecting YOURSELF, and it's in the church. They are no different from the secular women's magazines. Even Gothard is running a camp for young women focusing on PHYSICAL CHARM and BEAUTY, how is that different from when Cosmopolitan magazine does it except for different ends? It's all about looks, all about being the perfect "STEPFORDED" whatever, perfect employee, daughter, wife, husband, etc. Physical beauty is always stressed. Think about that, while the Bible tells us beauty is vain, the world focuses on it above all else. Of course here I have talked about the BEST SELF now false Christianity. Well whose setting all these standards? How about God's standards? Throw off the yoke of the world's molding of you.

People who become self-focused, do not focus on others. If a young girl is overly concerned about her beauty, health and personal charm, this is not going to help in terms of a servants heart or meeting the needs of others, if anything she will continue to judge herself by the world's standards and seek to conform to them. What if a girl who is less physically beautiful by the world's standards goes to that conference? I do not see it bringing love but only condemnation to her life.

I feel a tsunami, of unspoken decline in human compassion and connection. I see it in the literature, the TV, and magazines and fiction even. Why has our modern mainstream art become so ugly? Yes it has. I was going to post some pictures here but everything looks "channeled". Modern art magazines seem to be displays of the evil that lies within minds rather then doing art for any higher ideals.  Hey think about those teens who love The Whosoevers, and have been indoctrinated into loving all those gross, dark, black, red, occult graphics.  Even the fashion to me looks gross. I know perhaps I sound like a curmudgeon here to an extent, but for all the focus on beauty, there seems to be very little real beauty.

There are changes coming in people and where people are ACCEPTING things that never were before acceptable in "polite" society of even 20-25 years ago. Remember when I wrote about this fictional book that promoted euthanasia? I still want to puke thinking of the library book group I was at, and folks thinking that book was OKAY. There were three Christians in the room and we were all horrified.

Even looking at the "Christian" church, having done this blog for acouple years, it seems to be a growing behemoth of coldness, blind politics and worse. If anything since I started doing this blog, things have gotten worse.

 Rev 3:17    Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

While there are some kind individuals in even false churches, much of the leadership doesn't seem to have that normal kindness or human touch. Did you know the Bible tells us evil men will grow WORSE?

13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Right there for the reading. They are getting WORSE, and times are not like they were 50 years ago. So the thoughts that they have gotten far worse, it's biblical. It's not just our imagination or discernment ministries gone wild, it's the truth.

 With the Dominionism, where is the conscience or the love? It's all about forcing people to submit, and this taken from the political level all the way down to the home level and control. They don't care about the poor, they care about power and a sycophantic kneeling before it, with a desire for domination being the thing that their false leaders tap into. It has nothing to with true Christianity or love for others. We see a group that lacks "natural affection." They are no different from the nonbelievers they "fight" against.

What is a Christian to do facing all this? We can't be little children denying that evil exists. That is the tactic that many in the lost churches take, deciding to turn a blind eye to it all. One reason so many are deceived by false preachers is the very idea that sociopathic liars rule our society is beyond them, but what are all those biblical warnings for?

We have to stay separate from the world and that means protecting our minds and hearts. Part of this is being able to step outside the system of this world and looking to God's truths and testing the things we are told by what God has said. We have to examine ourselves too. I often fear this world influencing me to the worse end, and have prayed about this, we need to ask God to spiritually prepare us. Lately I am dealing with a lot of sadness watching what the world is turning into and even recent changes. Perhaps this is normal for a Christian's heart to mourn in this world. However God too has recently brought me blessings to counteract these things.

We also need to share God's love. I believe the influences are growing more and more subtle and infusing so many places it's not funny, and with the growing technology and globalism, their control and manipulations have only grown stronger. I wish for some I see that I could even do a better job of explaining some of what I am talking about.

I pray to God all the time to give me the strength to deal with these things all the time, we should all keep praying. God too, will give us what we need in dealing with this world, Praise Him everyday for this.

2 Peter 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

1 John 2:15-17 15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.



37 comments:

Mschrissy007 said...

Amen!
I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION? MY FAMILY AND I HAVE STOPED ATTENDING OUR CHURCH, due to the PASTOR BEING CONTROLLING( it was a non-denommination church ) BUT I MISS THE FELLOWSHIP . THE THING IS NOW IM SCARED TO ATTEND ANY CHURCH BECAUSE IM WORRIED THEY ARW GOING TO BE "CULTIC" like our last church!
Is bad not to attend church at all?

Anonymous said...

You are right and I do feel your pain. This is a deep and insightful post. It is also not an easy one to read because of the truth. I pray our Father God will hold you closer to Himself as the time draws nearer. Maranatha - Don

Bible Believer said...

Ms. Chrissy, I am not in a church, many of us believe it is the time of the great falling away and well, many Christians are to be OUT of the churches. I miss fellowship too. You may find my articles addressing those without a church interesting.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/search/label/Christians%20without%20a%20church

Bible Believer said...

Thanks Don, this post took me some time to write too, it is many things I have been thinking about for a long time. Thanks for your prayers, I pray for my readers here too.

Romans 15:30 Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

Anonymous said...

Very thoughtful post. I remember looking at the Hunger Games at the bookstore with my daughter. She was looking for a book. I was glad she wasn't drawn to the Hunger Games because I picked it up and opened it and thought, wow, how violent for a kids book. Next thing I know the movie out and everyone is talking about it. People at work so excited about it. My Chrisitan friends so excited about it. I only had one other person who was disturbed like I was that it was kids killing kids, like a kid gladiator movie.

Last night my daughter wanted to watch Lois and Clark. It's rated G.

At the beginning of the show people were standing around and a TV was on. The TV was mumbling, but then you could hear clear as a bell "prostitution". And I thought how weird was that. And then I thought, OK how many other strange messages are going to come through this show.

So Lois is getting advice from some kind of female medium as she's trying to tell Lois what she's thinking and then telling the future telling Lois to stay away from the green light in the cabinet.

The bad guy in the movie was some kind of druid, and he had some kind of mask that he put green stones in and it started to glow. Lois found him and opened up his cabinet with the green light shining out. There's a big Celtic cross and skull and the mask. They grab Lois and tie her down. He pulls out a long knife to plunge it into her. I'm like, oh great Lois is getting sacrified by a satanic person on a G rated TV show. Superman arrives, but the guy grabs the mask, puts it on, and becomes possessed complete with the deep evil voice. Of course Superman wins, but the witchcraft and demonic imagry just blew me away.

I'm not sure I should have let her watch it. But I used it as an opportunity to point out the witchraft, the symbols, etc.

And this was rated G. Unbelievable.

I totally agree with wondering about the effects of our kids - and adults - so into the dark stuff, the occult stuff, so prevalent in our entertainment and culture.



Anonymous said...

Really, this is nothing new, just that it has escalated.

In an effort to avoid the tripe that is being offered to young children I purchased some of the old Shirley Temple movies. Granted, some are wholesome, but if one looks with a discerning eye, there are elements of the occult although not so evident and blatant as today.

With the increasing of knowledge that the Bible speaks of in the last days it is advancing and spreading evil due to media and the internet and social networks.
Before it was somewhat "contained" but in our time it has been unleashed and permeated households and churches as never before.

It has to culminate at some point, but there is a disagreement amongst believers as to just how to interpret what the Word says about this. So some it means the Rapture of the Church and to some it means certain torture/death during the Great Tribulation.

Isn't it time for the remnant to make a serious study of eschatology, disregarding what those who have been exposed as false teachers have said and searching the Scriptures like good Bereans?

Many Christians are at sea and confused,unsettled and even fearful as events unfold. That is not the will of God, is it? The fruit of the Spirit is joy and peace. How does one maintain this midst the startling events of our day?

Bible Believer said...

Hi Anon, I am glad your daughter did not read Hunger Games. It was so violent I could not believe this was a book marketed to young teens, we are talking mass murder within the book with blood and gore. I know all these people around me who "loved" the series, a couple I told what it really meant. One believes that the books were meant to protest the NWO, but I do not agree.

I am not surprised about Lois and Clark, they may take violence out and sexual content but then they leave the witchie stuff right in there. All we have to do is look at Disney world, everyone thinks that place is great and its "magic" "witchcraft" city. Even in my last IFB church, I knew one family where they were going to take their daughter to Walt Disney World, and I asked them what about all the witchcraft Disney promotes? I think they thought I was nuts. Usually when you talk about that to people they say children need fantasy, blah blah. No they don't, not like that. I understand why imagination and creativity is important to children but not early training in the love of witchcraft, false spirituality and diviniation. I was taken as a child to Walt Disney world, and so has been every child of middle class and above status or who grew up middle class and above.

They sneak stuff in kids cartoons. Even in Arthur on PBS, you know the cartoon with the cute anteaters and it is very well down, they have these witch characters, one time I was channel surfing, they had these characters on one named Prunella and one had a Horus eyeball right above the bed. So this stuff is everywhere.

http://pbskids.org/arthur/games/askprunella/index.html

They sure don't show any kids breaking out a Bible or praying but one scrying...[witchcraft technique] sure.

They do show possession and worse. Its bad news on these shows. Even the kids books the times I have dared to look at the them are full of witchcraft and demonic stuff. I even went in the young adult section of my local library and one could learn all the basics of Wicca right from there pretty easily, no one Christian book on the shelf. I think its better to inform the children. Show the symbols to them, don't let them stay ignorant because the surest way for a child to go watch a show, is to just know its FORBIDDEN and not know why. The dark stuff is so prevelant out there. It is rare I am not somewhere where it comes up, people praising YOGA, "hey "biblebeliever" [my name] you want to go to yoga class?". LOL, um, no, and I tell them why or sitting at a volunteer conference and being instructed on political correctness etc. It's encircling us all

Bible Believer said...

Last anon, you are right it has just escalated, and you are right even a lot of the seemingly *innocent* movies are prepping people. I remember even Shirley Temple, I used to watch the Last Princess over and over as a child and loved it. I saw it later as an adult and noticed all the "messages" within it. Even occult with Shirley being instructed to *visualize* her new wealthier trappings to make her dreams come true. Of course later for children, they had horrible movies like Escape from Witchmountain.

http://www.whale.to/b/movies_q.html

[not an endorsement of this site but describes the stuff being done in cartoons]

With the Simpsons, there is so much buried in there, you do not want to know. They have celebrated even mind-control. I saw one my self where it advanced mind control and deep conspiracy stuff, that is best way I can describe it.

"The Simpson Cartoons

There are episodes of the Simpsons which blatantly promote the Freemasons, the Illuminati and even show items of the Monarch mind-control such as "following the Yellow Brick Road." The episodes are quite revealing."

Finding other Christians who know the truth about the "entertainment" world its the same about the ones who discern the NWO, very rare in number. Most of the country is under the sway of HOLLY-WOOD. I own a TV but realizing I need to be even more careful as to what I watch on there, but my enjoyment is very little for any 'fictional" show though I may enjoy cooking, nature and shows like that [and even then be careful] or even learning what the world is up to for things on this blog, I relate to the Christians who have tossed their TVs in the bin. If you have children, keep them as far away from most TV shows if you can, do show them some things that are going on, so they are not left unawares and unprepared.

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Bible Believer said...


I know its tough, we do have the increase of knowledge. Look at what we have been finding out...The internet is like the printing press in some truth getting out there but it's also being used for evil. I think myself about even subtle influences they are doing to folks, and know even there I could be missing something and praying for God to show me. It is unleashed all over the place.

That is a good question, What is a Christian to do especially as things grow worse? Not all of us have the means or circumstances to go live in places apart from mainstream society. I lived in a place so rural, that moving to a larger area was culture shock, but even then the entertainment was there too, though less people had means for the internet, etc.

One friend tells me, that the idea that Christians should go "hide" away is wrong, but then we are told to separate from the world so praying about what God's will for us, is important. We are supposed to not hide our light under a bushel, so to me that means trying to get truth to people where ever we can.

Matt 5:15 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." Romans 12:2

Well you know I do not believe in the Rapture though I do agree with the serious study of eschatology. We need to do that even to spiritual prepare. I know many Christians are at sea, confused and they are doing everything in their power to bring people into fear and despair. I agree that is not the will of God.

We are to have joy and peace in God. The way to get to that point is to ask God for more faith and realize this world is of short duration and NOTHING compared to God. Otherwise, all the happenings here will suck us down, and life itself is painful with health problems, cancer, death, without all the machinations of the NWO to add to it, or what is coming with wars, chaos and warned of in Revelation.

That is a good question how does one maintain joy and peace in the Lord amidst all the horrible things? I think it takes a strong strong prayer life, where you are taking your burdens to the Lord and knowing what ever happens you are in His hands.

Acts 16:25
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.

Kayfabe said...

Great Post Bible Believer!! I have been thinking about this subject a lot lately. Intstitutional Christianity has conditioned us to think of fellowship only on those days where stated services take place, Sunday mornings and Wednesday evenings. Meanwhile just go about your week being consumed with the cares of this world and then come back for service to recharge your batteries. I have been blessed by God to have sweet fellowship with a few men and women in my area that have come out of the False Harlot Church System of 501 C 3 Non Profit Religion. Many of my former Calvary Chapel brothers and sisters think it's weird that me and my brothers and sisters fellowship often and we don't need a church service to do it. It can be at a resturant or watching a Christian movie at a believers house. Our fellowship can also be on a whim without much planning. We have a home fellowship but that's not our hmome base/safe place it just happens to be where we meet for the weekly studies.

The problem is many of my former Calvary brethren aren't used to that kind of fellowship and it's unusual to them but don't they read the word:

Acts 2:44-47"Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need. So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved."

I have been experiencing this type of fellowship lately and I have never been more joyful. I understand that it may be easier for me as I live in an heavily concentrated metro area but even then I had to search and search. I found my home fellowship on line and God made it possible for me to come across other believers who were not satisfied with Organized Religion and who were likeminded with me.

Some of my former institutional brethren even try to judge us because we are a mixture of male and females who fellowship and they try to insinuate that there must be sexual compromise among us but again look at what the word says:

Titus 1:15-"To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled."

See we treat each other as Brothers and Sisters

Galations 3:28-"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Institutional Christianity has dulled the senses of brother and sisters to where they hold traditons of men higher than the word of God. These Pastors in the pulpits will try to call those outside the Babylonian Church system "rebellious" because see we are a threat to their way of life, the less people who go to their stated services the less money that comes in and then little Johnny can get put through college.

Bible Believer said...

Hi Kayfabe, I agree, that the churches out there conditioned people to think of scheduled fellowship instead of the true way it is supposed to operate, where the "Christian life" is for Sunday or in the more conservative churches with Wed night thrown in. In fact many church "Christians" live their life with that exact compartmentalization.
Praise God you have fellowship with Christians that have come out of the church system. I think that is wonderful and is true blessing from God.

I am sure the fellowship is more spontaneous and genuine too.

Thanks for quoting Acts 2, that is different from today's church system. While there are some small or fundamentalist churches that may be "closer" in helping each other out, Christian fellowship is supposed to be far deeper then a group of people sitting in an auditorium listening to a selected speaker for an hour once a week.

How did you find your fellow Christian believers? I am curious, where these friends you knew before? I tried asking around even calling a local homeschool a few years ago organization to see if anyone knew of a home church so have put efforts in to find those who have left like myself. I found one group via a friend's housekeeper but they were still tied to SDA legalism and really too into serious doctrinal difficulties. Did you find them online, advertising? I suppose if one could find a place for discussion that was not overly infiltrated that it could be possible especially if you met those who were like-minded. I still ask around about home churches though I have hit many dead ends. Even there we have to be careful of course. I do believe there are other Christians out there like ourselves definitely. I do try to tell the truth to church Christians I know but sadly, the influence of their pastors and church have remained stronger.
I am sorry the folks in the church have maligned you. I suppose that persecution will happen. Yes Titus1:15 applies. I have had people say I am a wayward woman for this blog etc.

One can see how the institutional christianity has dulled senses. Haven't the churches in joining so readily with the culture, prepped Christians to be led down the path to perdition with the rest of the world. Even the culture warriors only have provided another seemingly "holy" avenue to hell. Can you imagine what the reaction would be even in most average day to day churches, if I said even "Don't take your kids to Disney world, they celebrate Witchcraft", they wouldn't even begin to discern. So yes, they hold to the traditions and what society mandates and the expectations and what kind of people that society demands, where things are based on the superficial, riches and worse. The churches have become just like the world in each and every way. That is who they EMULATE, from the satanic rock bands that call themselves Christian to the business-corporate models.

Bible Believer said...


Yes the pastors will call those outside the church system rebellious, you are right about that. LOL when you leave a false church, trust me, they call you a "rebel". We are a threat to their false preaching and to the way they make their money should more people leave the false church systems. Even the fact the system props up these individual men, where the showtime revolves around them is far away from what Jesus intended. Everyone here should ask, "Are you in a church where the place would fold if the pastor left"? I've seen that happen too much too, where the supposedly Christian relationships between the people disintegrate.

Too many of the institutional churches revolve around the pastor. It was never meant to be that way, with one guy "in charge". The error of the Nicolatians. Here too real fellowship among Christians has been deadened because everyone thinks they need a "pastor" for Christian fellowship.

The churches today are businesses too. And while our corporations have gone worse into corruption, coldness and conformity, the churches have definitely followed as well. The hirelings have scattered the sheep.

I do pray to God for local based Christian fellowship, and everyone should do the same, if they lack it and hold close to God, but be open to whom God may bring you too. I of course have long distance Christians I fellowship with.

Thanks for your post.

Kayfabe said...

The brothers and sisters I found were former members of the Calvary I went to. I ran into one person outside of the Calvary here in downtown L.A. and they recognized me but we just spoke briefly. I ran into them again four months later and I was explaining to them about the false churches in these last days without mentioning the Calvary they were going to and then right out of her mouth she asked if Calvary Chapel Montebello was one of theose false churches and a I just nodded my head in the affirmative and she didn't resist but had been feeling uneasiness about being there for a long time. I invited her to the home fellowship that me and another brother had but he started getting real controlling with us and I had to put a stop to it so I found this homefellowship on line thru a website called "House2House" where we found this place that we go to now. Another brother that she knows comes along with us. I agree with you that even in the Home Church movement that we have to be careful as I was in one last year where the wife of the Pastor secretly did not agree with her husband on what he was teaching and she didn't want a church in her house. he compromised by letting her teach then eventually he abandoned the sheep and shut it down just to go back to the institutional church system and he told the people that were still left that he didn't know if he was teaching right. God had called me out of there before he shut things down. Where control and manipualtion dwell withccraft isn't far away so I encourage anyone searching to run away from controlling church leadership whether in a home fellowship or a organized church. A true leader will have a servants heart and not seek to lord it over the sheep.

My current Home church Pastor is a very humble man. We have been there for two months and we may not me likeminded on every single thing but so far so good. Discernment in the churches right now is at a scary low. One of the guys (Juny) who confronted me at my former Calvary and said I was doing wrong by warning the sheep about Greg Laurie is now on a post called "Hook a brotha up" where Bianca Juarez ties to get him a date on her "In the Name of Love" blog. See the hypocrasy here, he rails on me but then he puts himself out there like it is the dating game but yet I'm the crazy one.

Anonymous said...

BB, thank you for your answer to my post.

I agree that the only answer for any of us is to be strong in prayer for others and ourselves and to stay in the Word of God. We must not get discouraged or hide and continue to share the Gospel and see that any new believers are properly discipled.


Please don't misunderstand, as I don't mean to be casting stones, but Kayfabe who is a frequent poster to this blog is into prorassling.with a ghoulish mask displayed. Many years ago I attended one of those fake exhibitions that got people all fomented over their favorite rassler over the "villian" they were rassling. It was all a show. And one that I did not wish to see again either in person or on TV.

Wrestling is actually a sport on the high school and college level that is truly a valid competitive sport. It is not in a ring with ropes, but on a mat. There are rules the wrestlers must follow or they are disqualified.

I just found this quite odd for someone who values discernment and if someone went to his blog they might be influenced wrongly.

Kayfabe said...

Anonymous,

LOL!!

I have gotten so much grief from people my whole life over being a Wrestling fan. I actually love Old School Pro Wrestling, I don't watch anything post 2001. The mask simply has stars on it

Anonymous said...

Actually, the rassling (it is not really wrestling)match I attended was in 1965. For a Christian to have such a fascination with something of that nature is really quite odd. The whole pro-rassling industry has been corrupt and staged from the start. But many people take it seriously as I observed in my attendance at the event as a teenager.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread, but I just now clicked on Kayfabe to see where it led.

Maybe Kayfabe should listen to those who are trying to edify him with their concerns. The motive is not criticism, but edification, just as is the intention of this blog to call out error whereever it might be found.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Bible Believer, I am glad my daughter didn't want to read the HG either. I'm glad she is not interested in Harry Potter, too. We took her to Disneyland a few years ago. Of course we went when we were young, too. But since then I've become aware of the weird stuff in Disney cartoons and movies, and weird stuff about Disney himself. After looking at what happened to Britney Spears, etc., Disney is now very creepy to me.

Yes, the book stores are full of witchcraft, wizards, ghosts, etc. At Barnes and Nobles and Borders the kids sections do have a small religious section, but it has books from contemplative/emergent church authors like Susan Monk Kidd.

It's interesting you mention the grey books. I just heard about it this weekend when a couple of co-workers were talking about it with the S&M, etc. The lady who brought it up, asking if anyone has read it,claims to be a Christian. I'm thinking why, as a Christian, would you want to put such garbage in your mind?

I Corinthians 6:9 says "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"

Your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost - it's just creepy to know that and want to read such filth.

Years ago I filled my mind with all kinds of garbage, but after reading the Bible and discovering what God says, things just take on a whole new meaning.

I like what you guys said about people holding the opinions and ways of man over God's ways. I see that. Part of the problem is Christians don't read the Bible.

A lady I know posted a picture of the Bible on Facebook saying to like if you believe this is the word of God and you believe it. But when I had asked this lady if she reads the Bible, she had told me no, she doesn't like to read! Sigh.

Bible Believer said...

Remember not all pro-wrestling is WWF, and yes there is some sinful stuff with that group, but wrestling covers many other areas and is different in many different countries. I think Kayfabe heard the concerns. I don't know much about wrestling myself but understand the view WWF has given us all, but realize that can't describe all of it. I hope....

Bible Believer said...

Hi Anon, I am glad your daughter rejected that book and Harry Potter. Harry Potter was all over the place too for years though that has slowed down since the last book. I am glad you have discerned the truth about Disney. Many who go are well-meaning people but who just do not think about it or discern, they have introduced that stuff all over the place. Yeah knowing about Brittney Spears definitely and others the Disney stuff grows creepier and creepier. I saw the channel a few times, and well, it definitely is with tons of "programming" for the kids. Yes at bookstores, one can see all the occult stuff and the Christian sections are always full of apostate authors, and Catholic books.

Yeah those grey books are awful. I told someone I knew 'No I don't want to read it and why". I don't doubt there are ladies who consider themselves Christians reading that stuff too. It is so degenerate. It is definitely garbage, and they seek to destroy godly relationships, and even love and natural affection [romance between couples] with that garbage.

I read horror novels and listened to the worse of the worse music--goth, heavy metal etc, so yeah I was in your place too. Even now I have to be careful about what fiction I read and even non-fiction, since they are sneaking stuff in everywhere. I was reading this book from the library, non fiction book--archeology, art history etc, and so cholk full of new world order brainwashing, I tossed it to the side after 30 pages in disgust. They showed the most disgusting objects they could come up with, including Greek vases with homosexual acts drawn on them. [Probably chosen out of thousands of vases available for a reason]

I have taken art history classes so am not someone who freaks out at a classical nude but whoever wrote this book had an agenda, and that wasn't the only thing wrong with it.

http://www.amazon.com/History-World-100-Objects/dp/0670022705

You think a book like that would be free of the rhetoric, not so.

That is just one example.

So yes, they are following men and this world on everything and I agree the self admitted Christians not reading the Bible are the ones who are being deceived.

Yes I have heard people tell me that they don't like to read. I have been hearing some crazy stuff lately some of the latest is that it is a sin to criticize a politician [ANY either on the right or left] and just other strange things. Many do not read in American society anymore, they just take in what comes via the media, but the books, well they are influencing them as well and certain things are getting published for a reason.

Bible Believer said...

Kayfabe, I am glad some folks came out of the Calvary Chapel with you and that you were able to warn. I warned some leaving my old Calvary Chapel but it fell flat, I would lose friendships coming out. That is great you were able to warn that one lady and she realized you were talking about the CC she went to. One thing I heard warning people was, "Yeah we know no church is perfect but where are we to go?" I was new to the without a church home thing back then, and probably didn't have many answers except telling them about the great falling away and obeying God. I had only found out the first things about Calvary Chapel enough to leave, but most of what I found out on this blog, would come later. One family even admitted to me, they knew there were problems but wanted to stay in a church of some sort for the sake of the children. I am glad you were able to find a home fellowship on House2house, I don't know much about that website, but know we all have to be careful, given the emergents are out there too co-opting the house church system but that is great. Yes if a wife is not with the husband or agreeing in beliefs for a house church that would cause some strife. It's too bad he compromised because of her pressure and ended up giving it up all together. Actually one family I warned in the CC, had a house church for a time but I think they ended up meeting the CC pastor, it is vague in my mind, but remember asking them if they'd be interested again and they were not saying they wanted to stay in a regular church and would miss too much of the fellowship. Another family from the CC left, I don't think it was over any of my warnings but over some other issues and going to a mainstream semi-Calvinist influenced Baptist church.
I agree with running away from anyone who is controlling. Spiritual abuses can happen everywhere and it is something one needs to be mindful too when it comes to home churches. Here too, make sure you know the people and practice the caution you would keep with strangers in general, especially if a single woman or young person alone seeking after a home church. Avoid those who want to take the position of a "priest" in your life or lording it over. I am glad you have a humble home church pastor. Can you openly speak about the things we talk about here? If so, that is good if you are like minded enough to share these deep concerns. That is sad about that person, saying don't warn about Greg Laurie. Yes many won't even listen to the evidence or to what is happening. Regarding that website, I didn't know what to think about the skateboards and focus on being "cool".

Mschrissy007 said...

Thank you so much for your reply!
I went this evening with the children to the church ( ASSEMBLIES OF GOD ) while my husband was at work, we sat there for 10mins and walked OUT! I didn't feel comfortable BUT IM GLAD I WENT AND SAW :)
IT'S LIKE MY WONDERFUL HUBBY SAYS WE CAN HAVE CHURCH AT HOME.

Kayfabe said...

Anon,

I pretty much a history buff when it comes to Pro Wrestling and my wrestling taste were "Mid South Wrestling", "Mid Atlantic Wrestling", "AWA", "Georgia", "Pacific Northwest" and early WWF just to name a few. The stuff out there now I can't get into at all, I'm more into the 60s, 70s and 80s stuff. As Bible Believer said every territory is different and had their own flavor so they were nothing like the WWE of today. I respect your comments and God has for sure let me know where my energy is to be spent as you'll notice that my last posting on there was from February.

Anonymous said...

Kayfabe, thank you for your kind reply.

I had a son who wrestled in a school program and his fellow wrestlers hated to be identified with the pro "rasslers" and had to educate the community as to the validity of the one and the phoniness of the other. The "amateur" wrestling reflects how the Bible refers to wrestling whether it be physical or spiritual. The true sport of wrestling calls for discipline, dedication and controlled competition and respect for the opponent. It is not all about muscle and brawn, but more on technique and skill.

'Nuff said about that.

As for Harry Potter, someone commented that it had settled down somewhat, but now they have a theme park, I think it is in Florida for all things Harry Potter. Sadly, it is ingrained in the culture of the young and will only be a gateway to darker things.

And in our day the Church is ill-equipped to educate and protect anyone let alone children. In fact as a side note, Christians and pastors have promoted the C.S. Lewis movies as a safe venue for kids. Discernment is gone and deception rules.

Parenting requires more vigilance than ever and many parents have abandoned their posts and otherwise occupied.

Anonymous said...

I like what Phippians 4 has to say about peace. Don't worry about anything, pray about everything, give thanks to God for all he's done, and the peace of God which surpasses all understanding shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

:-)

Mschrissy007 said...

As a mother of 4 and a wife to a PASTOR why do
I feel so LOST AND DISTINED from THE LORD?
When I read the bible my mind wonders and it feels like just words, I WANNA KNOW WHAT IT IS TO TRUELY LOVE GOD AND LIVE FOR HIM! How can I teach my children about GOD when I'm always STRESSED, ANGRY AND DOWN😔
PLEASE HELP ME FIND MY WAY!

Lisa Ruby said...

Bible Believer: Thanks for another insightful post.

The darker this world gets the more Satan is glorified by the children of darkness. The escalation of spiritual darkness is in preparation for the coming tribulation, where satanists (not witches mind you--they will be eliminated) will rule the entire world under Antichrist.

It is time that those who love Jesus Christ in sincerity must all the more let their light shine before men:

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Matt. 5:16



Bible Believer said...

Ms. Chrisssy, could you email me? My email is on the profile. I am sorry you are facing feeling so lost and away from God.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks Lisa, yes we are seeing a massive escalation of the spiritual darkness, we can tell the Satanists [even thinking of the overt symbols of a certain "Christian" rock band] have definitely infiltrated.

Agree with the rest of your post...we have to show people the truth and light of God in this evil world...

Luke 11:33 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.

Mschrissy007 said...

Thank you

Anonymous said...

BB, surprised you didn't catch that "Ms Chrisssy" had posted before on this thread that she is a pastor's wife and appears to be a totally different person than her latest post.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Lisa Ruby said...

Hi -- No need to post this. Just wanted to say I agree with Anon about MsChrissy. See, earlier she wrote this:

Mschrissy007 said...

Thank you so much for your reply!
I went this evening with the children to the church ( ASSEMBLIES OF GOD ) while my husband was at work, we sat there for 10mins and walked OUT! I didn't feel comfortable BUT IM GLAD I WENT AND SAW :)
IT'S LIKE MY WONDERFUL HUBBY SAYS WE CAN HAVE CHURCH AT HOME.

In her most recent post she said her husband is a pastor.

Mschrissy007 said...

What do you mean? By a different Person?
Yes I'm a PASTORS WIFE WHY DO SAY THAT? ( IM JUST ASKING RESPECTFULLY )

Bible Believer said...

I'm kind of confused...

Thanks for asking questions about this everyone.

Mschrissy I do have to be careful on this blog with those who will come here to play games. Trust me on this blog, there are all types, the comments are on moderation for a reason.

So do not take this question offensively please or what others are writing to point out the discrepancy but did you mean your husband USED to be a pastor?

Mschrissy007 said...

I just wanted to say IM SORRY IF I CONFUSED anyone on my recent posts but I am a pastors wife but I don't attend church, I recently made comment about attending assemblies of God because I want to start going back to church with my family again. WE went thru a very very hard experience in our previous church and since then we have not found a HOME CHURCH:( . I thank God for allowing me to find this website and read BIBLE BELIEVERS posts cause they have helped me alot . I'm so sorry if I have brought any confusion or have made any one uncomfortable, I just felt that I should as ask what was in my heart.

Mschrissy007 said...

HE IS AN ORDAINED PASTOR, he was ordained January 29,2011 .
I understand:) but sadly we don't attend church.

Anonymous said...

MsChrissy, thank you for clarifying.

When God calls one to be a pastor, if is a life calling. I am sorry you had a bad experience - you may not be at liberty to explsin the circumstances why your husband is no longer an active pastor. There are certainly pastors who are disenfranchised due to their stand for truth.

If God called him to be a pastor it is not linked to any denomination, it goes beyond that. He can still be effective in teaching a Bible study and ministering to those people. There is always a place where God can use people even in the current climate.

I don't know what denomination ordained your husband, but apparently the groups you were involved with did not support biblical truth. If you research AofG they are the source of much false teaching and tolerate false teachers.

Advice: Do the research before you go to any church and consult your husband. Respect him as spiritual leader and seek what you are to do together. It sounds like he has abdicated his position, but maybe he is just discouraged.

You can teach your children at home and worship together as a family. By taking them various places they are being confused especially if there has been a bad experience.

Thanks again for clarifying.

MsChrissy007 said...

Amen, My husband was ordained in a NON-DENONMINATION CHRISTIAN CHURCH. You are very correct about taking our children to various churches, the question that I have is how do I start building a more constant bible reading time at home? With 4 kids it's not to easy. Thank you for taking the time to give me advice 😊