"Answering 'When Discernment Turns Ugly"
Notice on here where he speaks of "secondary issues" that were mentioned in the "When Discernment Turns Ugly" article.
Ah here we can see Eric Barger's love of those early church fathers and defense for "historical" Catholic creeds for ourselves. I feel rather gladdened that it seems others have called him out as well but sad that here is yet another teacher mixing truth with lies.
The Apostles Creed - "Catholic" ???
Yes Eric they are Catholic. as in Roman Catholic church, as in harlot derived.
Catholic to the core, and while some Protestant daughters adapted both, they are wrong in doing so.
The Nicene creed is more apt to be the one recited at Mass, though the Apostles creed is used on occasion. The apostles creed is part of the CATHOLIC ROSARY in fact. I said enough of them as a child, so I remember. This picture is from a Catholic diocese website: [the blue circle and arrow are from me to point out that the apostles creed is to be recited in the rosary.
I stood for years in the RCC, reciting the dead rote lines, I even probably had them memorized at one time. Most of the Catholic churches I was in recited the Nicene Creed though every now and then it would be other variations including the Apostles. Reciting a creed at every Catholic Mass in fact is a requirement. I probably stated this creed hundreds of times while I was lost and if not for God's grace definitely on the way to hell. I even said it to please man, and parents, getting lost in the words, believing NONE of it. It didn't matter for those who did believe it, in that while they assented to God's "reality", they had not been born again and were deceived by a false gospel. To be frank, I have to admit, it makes me sick watching some guy, put himself out there, as warning against the Emergent movement and then advancing what is core Catholicism and daughter Protestant rituals.
He writes here:
Here is one comment:
1) of, relating to, or forming the church universal b often capitalized : of, relating to, or forming the ancient undivided Christian church or a church claiming historical continuity from it.
As indicated here, the word "catholic" means "universal." If we are born again then we're a part of that Church, the "catholic" or universal Church around the world. However, we are not a part of the Roman Catholic Church.
Hmm I've seen Catholic apologists write the exact same except for the last cover sentence for years.
Now keep in mind while I write this, this guy has done seminars, videos etc, with Missler, Roger Oakland and a multitude of other names people should be familiar with on this blog. Now, for a long time, I have said the end game plan is to lead everyone down the road to deception and to Rome.
Why on earth would any Christian want to use the word CATHOLIC for anything.
And who cares if it means UNIVERSAL?
The Unitarian Universalists even named themselves for being UNIVERSAL!
Oh and I didn't miss where he wrote "HISTORICALY CONTINUITY", aka the church of Rome and early church fathers.
I am not surprised he had offended Ex-Catholic readers. I mean he is taking them DIRECTLY back. Let's pray God will show them the deceivers in our midst, who cannot even define what a born again Christian even IS. That can be a positve when these preachers show their cards so directly. Hopefully they will pay attention with teachers like this praise and advance the things of Rome and see through the light window coverings.
Creeds are not a profession of true faith. They have nothing to do with salvation. The Bible tells us even demons admit God is REAL, and TREMBLE.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Think about that one for a minute.A Demon could state the Apostles creed or Nicene creed and be fine with it. Both creeds are useless. Why? because even Satan could recite it, because after all Satan knows God is "real" and that those things "happened".
Faith in God is beyond just admitting that Jesus Christ is a "real" being.
Repenting and having faith in Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord of your life is far different then just reciting a rote memorization excercise that Jesus Christ is "real".
The church recites the creed and most of them are doing it from memory. its more vain repetition.The Apostles creed at least while I was a Catholic though this may have changed since things have gone towards Latin, was the MOST POPULAR ONE.
So where does that creed declare Jesus Christ as your Savior? What do any of those creeds have to do with biblical salvation? Nothing.
Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Here is the Apostles Creed. [WARNING CATHOLIC LINK, yes the Apostles Creed that Eric Barger so favors IS USED in THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH ALL OVER THE PLACE]
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit
and born of the Virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again.
He ascended into heaven,
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting.
Notice, this creed just states God, the Holy Spirit etc, are real. It has nothing to do with salvation, or saving faith.
"The holy Catholic church"....that line keeps so many in the harlot and the daughters.
"Communion of saints"....Well Eric Barger won't tell you this, but this is the line where Rome teaches that one can pray to the "dead" like Mary. I was Catholic over 20 years, I had this and the other one recited and taught to me so often with added on the Catholic teachings, it wasn't funny. "Communion of saints" by the Catholic lexicon means, that TODAY you can pray and talk to any number of saints, and Catholics are instructed not to just pray to Mary but to many other SAINTS. Of course saint as defined by the Roman Catholic church is far different then what a biblical saint is.
"forgiveness of sins" notice how this creed does not state how they are forgiven or anything about the salvation in Jesus Christ that forgives sins. Same for "life everlasting", really meaningless in the fact that all will go to "eternity" but not necessarily heaven! After all, in the Catholic church, Purgatory remains part of that formula.
Then there is the Nicene creed. It contains endless Catholic doctrines and more.
The Nicene Creed:
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
With this one there are many errors
All this talk of creeds and "church history" [ie much of that "history" skewed and written by Rome!.Hey that is the plan, bringing in evangelicals to embrace all from Rome, and with teachers like this, why wouldn't they be?
These Creeds are FULL OF ERRORS.
"God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God"
This part is odd, God MADE LIGHT.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
"begotten, not made, one in being with the Father."
We don't need Rome to define the Trinity. Of course this is one claim they make to try and have people buy into their false history.
"We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church".
This line obviously promotes Rome's false apostolic succession. The Roman Catholic church seriously believes that their clergy are TODAY'S APOSTLES.
"We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins."
Baptismal regeneration is another lie. The ritual of baptism does not forgive sins.
"We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen."
THIS world is going to end. Another lie.
There are millions of unsaved people reciting these dead creeds everyday in dead churches. I was one of them. Saying this creed does not mean you are a biblical Christian, it does not denote anything about being born again in Jesus Christ.
Ed Decker wrote this but it was published on Eric Barger's Website, Take a Stand Ministries.
Upon These Creeds!
It almost sounds like a priest wrote it.
"Yet, from the very first statements of faith by the first Christians to the confession of the simple Doxology today, we see a uniformity of purpose and doctrine which we must define as Christian Orthodoxy. To step outside the general theology of these confessions must be viewed as acts of Heresy."
The praise of Ignatius of Antioch, Irenaueus, and other Roman Catholic early church fathers says it all.
Please Pray for the Mormons leaving that false church who may encounter these ministries.