Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Steering People Home to Rome or at Least a Daughter......

I found this on the "Extreme Theology" website, they advertise Pirate Radio too.

Can you see what is wrong here?

This graphic while it warns of the bubble-gum churches, then tells you to go where the "historic" hymns and sacraments are....Hey remember with delusion, it's always about steering someone home to Rome or one of it's daughter churches. I used to read the endless discernment websites, that warned about easy marks like Rick Warren and Joel Osteen but then told it's readers to go where the "meat" was, but there as Bible Christians know, more delusion awaits!

I have seen many of the websites out there who wisely WARN about the false shallow mega-churches, but then on the other end, they speak of steering people into "historical" churches and you see here, they mention SACRAMENTS.

What is Christian about Sacraments?



Anonymous said...

Yeah, as soon as you see "sacraments", that means they are Rome-leaning, even if they don't admit it. In this case, they're probably calvinists, calvinism being Augustine's heresies wrapped up in a catholicism-lite package. It also means they believe the lordship salvation false gospel.

Bible Believer said...

Yes it makes me nauseous seeing that.

When they support sacraments and tradition, they are in the harlot via a daughter, that's the simple fact of the matter.

Yes I do think they are probably Calvinists too. There are a lot of Calvinists knocking around on "discernment" websites who warn about Emergents and Rick Warren who either knowingly or unknowingly don't get that they are in the harlot as well.

As I have written before. The harlots are centered around the same apostate table. That is why God tells "His people" to come out of her.

Anonymous said...

I was reading Acts14 where the people thought Paul and barnabas were Zeus and Hermes after they healed a lame man. The people were so excited and wanted to make sacrifices to them. The people were so excited that the gods had come down in human form. Paul and barnabas were so upset over this and when they presented the truth to the people the people stoned Paul until they thought he was dead. Makes me think of the same today. Many are excited about the new age movement, the occult, etc., accepting their beliefs and methods so readily - and doing it in the church. To point out the truth is to be called decisive, rigid, angry - to name a few.

LutherRocks said...

Just curious what your take is on the account of the Last Supper in scripture as well as Jesus' baptism and what they mean to you.

Bible Believer said...

Remember I am an ex-Catholic

I do not believe in "sacraments"

They changed these things into the BIble into something else.

One huge error within Lutheranism as well as multiple Protestant daughters is their clinging to a different version of a Catholic "Mass"

I do not agree with the authors on everything, but check out this book, he warns about the false worship of the "graven bread". It's an error through out many of the daughters.

LutherRocks said...

I am aware of what the visible church has done to God's Word. Still, the Bible speaks of an early Apostolic church forgiving sins, baptizing in the name of the Triune God and people partaking of Holy Supper...(in fact abusing the Supper while Paul rebukes them and sets them straight).

I know you have an aversion to the Roman Catholic Mass. I do as well since it is a perversion. But what of Baptism? Clearly the early church taught it and performed the ceremony. Jesus was also baptized, although for a different reason.

Now, outward baptism in and of itself is not compulsory unto salvation as we see in the example of the thief who was in paradise with Jesus on Good Friday. But the church (beginning with Pentecost), acting in faith has always carried on the practice. Why would you want to abolish it?

Bible Believer said...

You do realize in the Lutheran church they teach a form that is just a step under Transubstantiation. I don't know if you saw this article.

I know some Lutherans and some are even very conservative, against the one world religion, etc, and I have told them the same thing, the fact of the matter is Luther continued the false Eucharist and other "sacraments" though obviously some were done away with.

I do not think Jesus ever intended a ceremony of any type, but it was to be a memorial dinner. Even here I think the baptists nod too much to the "ceremony" with the little dough Chik-lets and plastic grape juice mini-cups, though at least here, they do not participate in the false Eucharist teachings with Real Precense deceptions. Once I surprised someone telling them once, that a pot-luck with prayer included, bread and drink and speaking what Jesus Christ did for us was far closer to what Jesus intended rather then all the "ceremonies" and sacraments. Same for baptism, not saving itself, it is supposed to be a sign to those around you of your new life in Jesus Christ.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

The problem comes right down to this, they worship the bread as being "jesus"
they started worshipping the symbol itself to be frank...

Jesus is the bread...[he used it as a symbol]

we were never meant to worship bread!

Please read that book Graven Bread it did help put things in persepective for me.

Bible Believer said...

Oops I meant this article above...

Bible Believer said...

One thing I want to warn of too.

They WILL be bringing the one world religion together [especially in the Christian realm] via the false Eucharist.

I have seen a CHANGE even in Protestant churches where more and more are teaching a REAL PRESENCE in the EUCHARIST!

I may do a blog post on this book soon, need to find it.

LutherRocks said...

I deferred to Baptism, but you clearly have a fixation on Lord's Supper, so I will indulge.

I do not think you have a full grasp of the orthodox Lutheran view of Holy Communion. We do not worship 'bread'.

From Luther's Small Catechism: (

"VI. The Sacrament of the Altar
As the head of the family should teach it in a simple way to his household.

What is the Sacrament of the Altar?

It is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, under the bread and wine, for us Christians to eat and to drink, instituted by Christ Himself.

Where is this written?

The holy Evangelists, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and St. Paul, write thus:

Our Lord Jesus Christ, the same night in which He was betrayed, took bread: and when He had given thanks, He brake it, and gave it to His disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is My body, which is given for you. This do in remembrance of Me.

After the same manner also He took the cup, when He had supped, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Take, drink ye all of it. This cup is the new testament in My blood, which is shed for you for the remission of sins. This do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of Me.

What is the benefit of such eating and drinking?

That is shown us in these words: Given, and shed for you, for the remission of sins; namely, that in the Sacrament forgiveness of sins, life, and salvation are given us through these words. For where there is forgiveness of sins, there is also life and salvation.

How can bodily eating and drinking do such great things?

It is not the eating and drinking, indeed, that does them, but the words which stand here, namely: Given, and shed for you, for the remission of sins. Which words are, beside the bodily eating and drinking, as the chief thing in the Sacrament; and he that believes these words has what they say and express, namely, the forgiveness of sins.

Who, then, receives such Sacrament worthily?

Fasting and bodily preparation is, indeed, a fine outward training; but he is truly worthy and well prepared who has faith in these words: Given, and shed for you, for the remission of sins.

But he that does not believe these words, or doubts, is unworthy and unfit; for the words For you require altogether believing hearts."

The Lord's Supper rightly taught gives the assurance of one's sins forgiven. There is great comfort in this since I sin daily in thought, word and deed.