Thursday, July 5, 2012

Chuck Missler Responds To His Critics


[warning this is a direct link to Missler's website K-House]:

"Choosing the Higher Road"

Well this is definitely a response to a variety of blogs not just to this one. There have been several blogs that have warned about Missler as well as other websites and at least one youtube channel I know of. Some with more focus on him then others.

I had someone post this link on an old article of mine "Christians Discerning the Truth About Missler" full of links regarding Missler and this comment today on my blog.


“Regen said…
” am shocked at how you would judge this humble man of God. Questioning his integrity because of peripheral issues and ideas is shameful. Insinuating that he is a false prophet is dangerous ground. Who needs the accuser when our own family is doing the job themselves.
July 5, 2012 9:56 AM
Regen said…


http://khouse.org/articles/2012/1069
Chuck’s reply”

Well Missler wrote an article in response to the blogs and other websites critical of him,  check it out.

It talks about "gossips", "heresy hunters", the “dark side of the internet”, “misinformation”…..
One sample quote is:
“1) We have no connection with the Vatican, the Illuminati, the Freemasons or any group committed to a “New World Order”;”
William Welty on the article, puts up information about Swansat, where he claims:

"To that end, SWANsat may well be able to shield persecuted believers from one world government forces, should they obtain hegemony in our lifetimes." 
How would that work? I do not know how a satellite system of any kind could be used to stop Christians from being persecuted?
I didn't understand this part:

"We maintain occasional (i.e., less than annual) communication with an expert in Islamic/Catholic relations so as to be equipped to monitor that world, since we are from a Protestant tradition."
Seems very odd to me. Why do you need certain religious connections when doing what outwardly is high tech. work? OK, the guy may happen to be a Muslim or a Catholic if he desires to work with you on a business concern if you are in a certain part of the world but why on earth would you go to a Vatican connected priest?

Nor this part: 

"We monitor activities at the United Nations relating to Information and Communications Technologies so as to keep abreast of what one world government movements are planning and to counteract their activities, after the manner of one who, though he has a can of bug spray in his hand, wants very much to know where the wasp is in the room."
I do not agree with anyone "working" with the United Nations. I would never condemn a poor Christian for getting help via the UN [Let's say a disaster struck, and they needed food or aid] but then working with the UN for business reasons, that is something I would not agree with. How can someone sit in the room with UN officials, and be comfortable at all as a Christian? I doubt the UN top dogs if they knew my view of their organization would lay out the red carpet. These are some of the things that seem so strange to me. How does a supposedly anti-world government Christian even get in the door?

Can anyone explain these things to me?

Well I am not here to continuing any arguing. I always tell everyone WARN and then WALK AWAY.
[Matt 15:14]. I wasn't even sure of writing any more on Missler unless something new came up.

I decided to post their response, because I knew it would crop up and given there are many Christians reading their "response", they may automatically decry sincere questions regarding doctrines, teachings and involvements on other websites. There are many Christians out there, who at the instruction of many of these well-known teachers who do decry "discernment blogs" or "ministries". I have heard "My pastor has said such websites are not edifying, and has warned me against them" several times even in real life.

Warning about false teachers and the rest, it can be difficult. I have heard the above pertaining to other discernment ministries. Everyone who has done this sort of writing online or has sounded the warning cry in other places, has heard much of what was contained in the article in other venues. There is no joy in discovering false teachings or odd connections with any "Christian" pastors in such high numbers. We would have rather had it the other way, wouldn't we?


See:


Chuck Missler: New World Order Puppet

Galatians 4 blog articles on Missler

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

I hope you don't mind me posting this here too, since it's the new one?

Notice that the article that Regen links to, which goes to khouse, calls anyone that discusses discernment about these guys, an "enemy of the Lord".

Rick Warren tactics anyone?

Then the article quotes Matthew 18:15-17, but that doesn't work here. Things out in the open on TV, radio, internet, hitting a mass audience, isn't in view in those verses. If Chuck Missler came and hit me in the head with a frying pan, then I can go to him personally to deal with it.

But if Chuck Missler is speaking false things and making associations that deceive those who think he's true, then Matthew 18:15-17 is not in view. Jude 1:3 is in view in that case.

Then he insults believers that are discerning, as "unarmed men".

Notice then that they downplayed the Swansat thing, and made it like pulling out of CNP was about how money is spent, instead of pulling out because CNP HAS CATHOLICS, ATHEISTS, AND 'REVEREND' SUN MYUNG MOON SUPPORTERS ON IT.

So that's the very thing the discernment sites are talking about! And they missed the point, presumably intentionally.

The internet is making an impact. And just before you posted this, I had the thought (from the Lord, not from the enemy) that these guys can't get away with anything anymore, with the advent of the internet.

They care about what we are exposing, and they know they are suffering losses for their errors, otherwise, they wouldn't have to respond to us.

Bible Believer said...

Hey I'm glad you posted it here too, since that is an old article.

Yeah it's always the same isn't it where they call those with discernment "enemies of the Lord", that definitely is Rick Warren tactics. Agree. Trust me, I have heard it all before and I am sure many with blogs like this one have too.

one thing with Matt 18, why would we follow that with teachers and others we do not consider "fellow Christians"?
I almost wrote this in the article but I've written this many times, everyone who calls themselves a Christian is not always one! Obviously the doctrines Missler adheres too are not shared by the rest of us.

I agree Jude 1:3 applies here.

Yes I found the "unarmed men" thing odd too and kind of a way to "put down" those who disagree with his teachings.

I found the downplaying of SWANSAT odd, currency for all of Africa, a new gold standard that encompasses the whole continent? Why? Yeah I found the CNP comment strange too, they left because of "stewardship" [aka money] and not what is known and exposed about that group?

"CNP HAS CATHOLICS, ATHEISTS, AND 'REVEREND' SUN MYUNG MOON SUPPORTERS ON IT."

Exactly.

If he was a true teacher, he'd be WARNING about CNP, and all the pastors still presently IN it or associated with it!

Yeah I agree they missed the point. I suppose only in a dream world would we have one turn around and say, "You know I found out the CNP was really bad business and I am glad I found out the truth and ran away from that place!"

For all that talk about someone going to them "personally", we can predict pretty favorably, the response will not be one of repentance.

The same applies to the UN. Can you imagine being an anti-world government Christian and ushered into it's halls of power? That makes no sense either. That would apply to the Israel stuff, which is definitely one of those false teachings and beliefs I think people should depart from. The Christian Zionism that has led to political and religious unity with those who reject Jesus Christ. [Avi Lipkin etc]

I believe the days of free speech on the Internet are short, but you are right, they know a lot can be found out even via simple internet searches. The Bible tells us even the hidden works of darkness will brought out to the light.

Agree with the rest of your statement.

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Marion said...

Interesting!! His response would be laughable, if it wasn't so very sadly lies; and encouraging folks to not look at the documented evidence from his own works, sites, and affiliations. The "blinded masses" aren't supposed to see what is so clearly right in front of their eyes! BUT, his 'disciples' have been adequately lullabied back to a happy slumber - all is well in "Misslerland." BTW...in the occult world letters have numerical significance...interesting that "Misslerland" is known as "K" House...the eleventh letter of the alphabet - signifies "confusion." How appropriate...OK then...."K"House it is!!! Sadly, those who "eat" at the "K"House table will have their bellies FULL of confusion!!

But for us, WHERE to begin to talk about such a reply? It's not even worth the time nor the energy. I'll just give one example...
notice here...(Chuck says) "(When I first committed to a full-time ministry, I suspected that someday I might aspire to be misquoted as much as Hal Lindsey and Chuck Smith. Well, apparently I’ve “arrived!”)...how Missler aspired to be like MEN (other corrupted and false teachers) and then 'vindicates' them...WOW!!

There is no adequate refutation to Chuck's reply, since the original works have been more than adequate in and of themselves to expose his involvement in the "unfruitful works of darkness." If the gullible refuse to see the truth - there is nothing more that can be said to them. Only Jesus can give sight to the "blind" - we need to pray for God's people to be delivered from such a deception! The rest...they will continue to their own hurt! How very sad indeed!

Lisa Ruby said...

You wrote:

"I do not agree with anyone "working" with the United Nations. I would never condemn a poor Christian for getting help via the UN [Let's say a disaster struck, and they needed food or aid] but then working with the UN for business reasons, that is something I would not agree with. How can someone sit in the room with UN officials, and be comfortable at all as a Christian? I doubt the UN top dogs if they knew my view of their organization would lay out the red carpet. These are some of the things that seem so strange to me. How does a supposedly anti-world government Christian even get in the door?"

How indeed would a supposed enemy of the One World Government(as Missler seems to be suddenly trying to represent himself) be allowed to have access to information that only UN insiders have?

It is good to post such questions. It is good to think analytically. This is not a quality that people who work both sides of the fence are comfortable with.

Lisa Ruby said...

You wrote, "I do not agree with anyone "working" with the United Nations. I would never condemn a poor Christian for getting help via the UN [Let's say a disaster struck, and they needed food or aid] but then working with the UN for business reasons, that is something I would not agree with. How can someone sit in the room with UN officials, and be comfortable at all as a Christian? I doubt the UN top dogs if they knew my view of their organization would lay out the red carpet. These are some of the things that seem so strange to me. How does a supposedly anti-world government Christian even get in the door?

An anti-world government Christian would not get in the door. It is satanists/witches who infiltrate Christian churches/organizations, not the other way around. It is interesting that you posted a picture of Chuck Missler with Tim LaHaye. LaHaye's Left Behind book series depicts so-called Christians working for the Antichrst system and the Antichrist himself.(It also has Christians taking the Luciferic Initiation! Yes, I have proof.) And if you say the fiction books don't matter, what about the real-life, non-fiction remarks both Tim LaHaye and his writing parter, Jerry B. Jenkins made about Christians having the mark of the beast? The UN would not be the least bit upset with these men for the mark-of-the-beast paradagm shifts they are hoisting upon the church.

Churck Missler assiciates with an author who uses fiction to promote such soul-damning propaganda and he wants us to think he is for real and on the up-and-up? (This is only an aside. You have already clearly shown what Chuck Missler is up to. I just wanted to mention what his buddies are up to.)

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Bible Believer said...

http://ephesians511blog.blogspot.ie/2012/07/chuck-missler-exposes-his-own-defying.html

I went to go read this...

Yeah that line bothered me too.

That is a technique I have noticed, when I have discussed things like "Christian Scripts"

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/08/scripts-used-to-silence-and-mislead.html

See #2

He basically is sounding the cry for a #2..

aka "only haters" talk about other ministries...

and well the Ephesians 5:11 blog is correct, in that they go against the Word of God.

I also notice another line about "dignities" that was sorely abused to the max, and odd stuff about not "railing against Satan"

I understand biblically we are to let God deal with Satan for us, but I found that a strange point to emphasize in the article.

Yes the apostles in the Bible called out actual names.

So Misslers false stance there, kind of a false "taking the high road" stance does not measure up biblically.

How do you covenant NOT to talk about other ministries?

And who is that COVENANT made with?

Good points there.

Bible Believer said...

Thank you Good Soldier for showing me the link.

Yeah as mentioned above, I found the "railing against dignities" thing to be very odd too.

The dignities in that verse are not human beings on earth, yes I foujnd that funny as well. You hear false deceived Christians even use that verse to say that questioning leaders is wrong, like that apostate IFB local pastor I heard.
You are right to point out statement #1 conflicts with statement #2.

The leaders of Israel [betraying their people as much as Americans are being betrayed] parade around on the news even meeting with the Pope and signing Vatican agreements. So it's kind of funny if he has relationships with the Israeli leadership [along the lines of lets say Calvary Chapel inviting Netyanhu to it's pulpits] then he does have a connection with the Vatican, Illumanti, Freemasons. Also are there any Christian leaders of Israel? Hmmmm

You wrote:


"And the leadership of Israel have no connection to the Vatican or Freemasons or the Illuminati. Hahaha, LOL Chuck pull the other one."

Yeah that made me laugh too.

And what about Father Justo Lacunza Balda?

A DIRECTOR OF A PONTIFICAL INSTITUTE?

http://www.ncregister.com/site/article/vatican_official_differences_with_muslims_not_easily_overcome/

The false Christian Zionism condemns him as a false teacher. You are right. Those who have rejected Jesus Christ, are not of the true Israel.

You wrote:

"Born again believers in Jesus Christ are the commonwealth of Israel now and not an earthly kingdom."

I totally agree...

This is a point I make repeatedly on this blog everytime I write on Christian Zionism and it's false teachings.

I agree too he is accursed for teaching another gospel.

Bible Believer said...

Hi Marion..

Yes you are right one would have to ignore endless documentations to agree.

This was about stopping all questions from his disciples, lulling them back to sleep. "Damage control" anyone?
I've seen this sort of thing posted on many other websites, they have to label those who write questions as "miscreants", "gossips", etc, it helps shut down minds and any investigation as to what is going on. Hmm that is interesting about K-House. Never thought of that.
I found the Hal Lindsey name dropping to be strange, Hal Lindsey definitely is a false teacher involved with everything from promoting Christian Zionism to war with Iran for the elites.

So he wanted to be like Hal Lindsey? Yeas this is aspiring to be like other men. What is about Hal Lindsey in false Christian circles where they "look" up to him so much? Those millions of books sold?

I agree with this:

"There is no adequate refutation to Chuck's reply, since the original works have been more than adequate in and of themselves to expose his involvement in the "unfruitful works of darkness." If the gullible refuse to see the truth - there is nothing more that can be said to them. Only Jesus can give sight to the "blind" - we need to pray for God's people to be delivered from such a deception! The rest...they will continue to their own hurt! How very sad indeed!"

Well said.

Bible Believer said...

"How indeed would a supposed enemy of the One World Government(as Missler seems to be suddenly trying to represent himself) be allowed to have access to information that only UN insiders have?"

This is a very good question.

Are we to believe they let just anyone in there?

Why would they let a true enemy in their doors?

Could I call the UN now, and tell them of my beliefs regarding their organization and get an invitation today?

LOL

So how do him and Welty get that information? The UN officials out of the "kindness" of their hearts are willing to hand it to two anti-world government Christians?

Yes I find that very hard to believe.

One thing I tend to distrust those who make a big show of going to the halls of power as if they "snuck in" and we can believe it.

Like Alex Jones managed to "sneak" into Bohemian Grove?

Like Joan Veon, could go report on endless UN happenings? She is now deceased but when I saw her in this very evil magazine, participating in a certain type of conference, that answered that question.

Hey if they are able to hang out at the UN no questions asked, that tells you something.

Thank you, I do think it is good to ask questions and think analytically and say, HEY THAT DOES NOT ADD UP.

How could you enter the building as a born again Christian, and not want to throw up?

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/09/vatican-wants-world-government-1.html

Bible Believer said...

"An anti-world government Christian would not get in the door. It is satanists/witches who infiltrate Christian churches/organizations, not the other way around."

You are right Lisa,

No true anti-world government Christian would ever get in the door.

I agree when the UN is giving someone the red carpet welcome and in this case, shared information for a big business deal, well....

something doesn't add up.

I chose the picture of Chuck Missler with Tim LaHaye on purpose.

Hey I was reminded of the Left Behind series too, the protagonists of that book, had jobs with the Antichrist, funny, that reminds me of all this, folks visiting the United Nations who say they are against the one world government and new world order.


Those Left Behind books did so much to set today's Christians up. Hey didn't they have the Pope even get Raptured?

The message of one of the books was basically hey you can make your livelihood working for the antichrist!
and that's OK. Just more of the lies.

I am sure the UN would love the false mark of the beast paradigm shifts being sold by these folks definitely.

Given that LaHaye is a big part of CNP[as a founding member], his ties alone to the NWO are endless and have been talked about on this blog and many others.

more on Missler and CNP--link for information...

http://www.contendingfortruth.com/wp-content/uploads/Chuck-Missler-CNP-Warning.pdf

So I think this association definitely is not a good one. It definitely tells us more.

I refuse to trust any teacher who has anything to do with the CNP too. Missler admits involvement with the CNP [even if he states they left over stewardship]. The CNP has links to Moon, catholics--one served even as a president before and Knights of Malta.

Also noting who has spoken with LaHaye too is interesting....

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/08/this-picture-freaked-me-out.html

Bible Believer said...

http://jude3times.wordpress.com/

Interesting links about Chris Pinto...

Any true Christian would tell a website like that to take off their books or DVDs.

Marion said...

Good Soldier...thanx...BUT...you're a little late with those site recommendations...I've been all over those sites! Much good information to be found on all 3!

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Anonymous said...

Did any of you read what the man actually said about the UN? We monitor the UN for information. Missler didn't say anything about working there, hanging out there,being welcome there or supporting there cause in any way shape or form. Jesus said to pray for others even your enemies! Yet GoodSoldier says I do not pray for you Chuck Missler! You are accursed! I do not see the Lord on this board in any way shape or form. To twist the words of another believer around and use them against them is bad enough. On top of that you do not even want to pray for each other as Jesus asked. We have an enemy who is out destroy us we do not need to help him out. Be careful how you swing your sword you may end up cutting yourself to pieces.

Anonymous said...

Wow! Can you just imagine being Christ and hanging out with hookers, tax collectors, and sinners of all kinds? OMG! That is so outrageous! No wonder the righteous religious leaders accused Him and sentenced Him to death. Christian's who imply association with anything or anyone who subscribes to the enemy are subject to criticism just as Christ was.

Bible Believer said...

Give it a rest. I'm not buying it. One does not do business with the Vatican and then make excuses for it.

http://ephesians511blog.blogspot.com/2012/05/are-vatican-and-calvary-chapel.html


Anonymous said...

"...but then working with the UN for business reasons, that is something I would not agree with.."

Wow. What is your job? Do you have a "secular" job? How dare you interact with people who are not saved. Do you buy things from the unsaved?? You just entered into a business transaction with someone at enmity with God. I'm just now coming across these blogs attacking Missler, I'm not defending him or not defending him or his views, but what I'm amazed by is the illogical, ad hominum, guilt by association, attacks that have no basis in true discernment. Amazing and sad.

Bible Believer said...

This is a silly excuses, working direct with high Vatican officials and UN is a bit different then having a coworker who is a Non-Christian. This is a few steps beyond that. I wouldn't work with anyone in the UN or or on UN related projects. I won't even give money to UNICEF ect. Don't try and act like Missler stumbled over Father Justo Lacunza-Balda at a coffee shop or something.