Saturday, June 23, 2012

A Video Warning About Greg Laurie



I had a commenter give me the link for this video. Warning: the maker of the video, seems to be into some of the Hebrew Names movement stuff. I know there are fellow Christians who use the name "Yeshua" for Jesus. He later uses "Yahuvah" for God, a spelling and pronunciation I am not familar with. I just hope they have avoided the errors of Hebrew Roots. As for Laurie being a freemason, one can theorize as to how the "networks" are arranged, but I found his theory as to Laurie's logo being an inverted square and compass beyond the obvious "X" to be an interesting one.

I had not yet seen Laurie's Worldview book, yet, hmm another Single "horus" eye. Interesting how the same stuff repeats itself over and over, I can't imagine that graphic designers who design religious books are THAT uncreative. I agree with his comments about Christmas and churches designed as rock concert halls and that many have become sychophants to the celebrity preachers. One part of the video that is interesting is when it shows Greg Laurie, saying "God doesn't need your money" and then he starts talking about wise men and people who show up to birthday parties with no gifts and about "cheapskates". Sigh.....

31 comments:

Anonymous said...

Greg Laurie is an ecumenical false teacher. I remember years ago I was praying about him, and I felt this "stay away from him" kind of message.

His crusades have united SDA (works for salvation), Church of Christ (water baptism for salvation), catholic (no comment needed), Anglican (denies parts of Scripture), and countless other false religions among his crusades (even using the word crusade sounds a bit scary).

The reason he can unite all these people, is because in one of his books, he said the way to be saved is in two words: Follow Jesus.

But that's not the way to be saved. While we should follow Jesus, yet we can't be saved by works. Following Jesus is not the way to heaven. Believing in Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection, is the way to heaven.

But following Jesus/committing to Jesus is the way Greg Laurie says to get to heaven, and all those false religions find a home with him, because they believe the same thing.

If you are catholic, you "commit to Jesus" by the sacraments.

If you are SDA, you "commit to Jesus" by keeping the sabbath and part of the law.

If you are Church of Christ, you "commit to Jesus" by having the CofC water baptize you the "right" way according to them.

And so on...

Billy Graham used the same trick. "Commit your life to Jesus Christ", and all the cults already do that, by works.

But works are not the way to heaven.

John 6:28-29.

christian cerna said...

i recognize that the new testament speaks of collections and contributions and giving. but it was always done to meet the real needs of other believers who were experiencing poverty. the biggest example would be when the new believers brought their possessions to the apostles, so that they could be distributed to everyone who had need. yet how often do you see this done in modern churches. i would say that 95% of the time, the money moves vertically upward, towards the pastors and leaders- who are probably already well off financially. it is no wonder that many people are cynical and distrustful of organized religion. the power and money is always centralized around a few select men who do not have the attitude of Christ- of being a servant of all.

Bible Believer said...

Hi Anon,

I am glad you got the stay away from Greg Laurie message early on. I know when I first heard of him and I was visiting a Calvary Chapel then, I was very troubled. Still remember the day in the church library where I saw one well known Calvary Chapel pastor--not Laurie, sharing a masonic handshake with Billy Graham. If I ever get a copy of that book again, I plan to take a photo and post it here.

Greg Laurie has been touted as the next Billy Graham and you are right, they have no problem with hooking up with other false churches that teach another gospel--SDA-yep, Church of Christ, hey notice a theme in these false cults, they all derive out of Rome. SDA is so hooked in with Rome despite their surface "anti-harlot" writings it's not funny. I wouldn't doubt the same for Church of Christ, in fact when I read their writings I felt like I was reading Catholic sacrament studies. Anglican is basically Catholic but with overtly gay priests. [Here remember the Queen of England is the Pope's servant] so forth and so on. I do not think Billy Graham choose CRUSADE to describe what he was doing by accident.


They give this easy believism message that is false, and even worse leads people to thinking they are saved when they are not.

I wrote about this here...

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/07/grahams-easy-believism-millions-of.html

Bible Believer said...

They are emphasizing the works more and more. I think about those David Platt and the UnChristiasn book, and I got exhausted reading them, if I had been some innocent newbie reading those books, I would have felt like the world's lousiest Christian for not having been on a save the planet crusade of some sort. In all these books they listed all these very busy people with their NGOs and global travel. Well what is that all about but a focus on WORKS?

Heh...saw this on Greg Laurie website

HIS WORDS*************************

"Or, let me put it another way: If you were arrested for being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you? By "evidence," I don't mean how many Bibles you own, or how many bumper stickers you might have on your car with Christian sayings on them. I mean hard evidence. If your family members, neighbors, and coworkers were interviewed and asked the question, "Is (your name here), in your opinion, a real Christian?" we might not be happy with the response.

The only way others can tell whether you are a Christian is by your works. While all the good works in the world won't save a person (Titus 3:5), they are reasonable evidence that someone is saved.

In a nutshell, all the great religions of the world, apart from Christianity, say, "Do." "Do this and you might go to heaven," "Do that and you might find nirvana," and so on. Christianity, in contrast, says, "Done."

In other words, God has taken care of your salvation through the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross. He cried out, "It is finished!" He purchased your ticket to heaven at the cross. But having received that ticket, your life should reflect your commitment to Christ. Works won't save you, but if you really are saved, then works will follow (2 Corinthians 5:17). Has that happened to you? Has there been a change in your life?"

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Hmm if someone is going to look at works only, then they are back in that Catholic trap of "working their way to heaven" and thinking those who *achieve* the most on this earth, are the ones who will have the front seats in heaven.

Now many of these types will say, yes you need born again, etc, but they emphasize works so much.

One thing too, I am no Calvinist, but I do believe God chooses His own. Salvation is via FAITH.

“He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”—John 1:10–13.

One thing why does the Bible tell us to test the FRUITS and not the works?

Hmm just thinking aloud here.

Bible Believer said...

Christian, yes the NT speaks of giving you are right, I think the proper way too was to meet the real needs of believers. I was in an IFB where they did practice this, but I did not realize how extraordinarly rare that was. Most of the money going to these preachers is to go for more video-screens, mission-trips/vacations, and more. I liked that the video brought up the fact of how many books and how much money so many of these pastors are making. I think about their book output with some of them it is far higher then even your normal secular non-fiction or fiction author. What is the motive there? I can understand having someone pay for supplies and paper, but you wonder about those making so much MONEY, just selling religious books.

If anything in most modern evangelical and mega churches, most of the lower classes are staying away, they can't afford the tithes. 10% of your income [the tithe is not biblical] is very different for someone barely covering rent and groceries compared to someone with expendable income.

Why are so many of these pastors so rich? All we have to do is look at TBN's finest to see how they are living in mansions and driving luxury cars.

Hey I understand why people take one look at this stuff, and say RELIGION is a SCAM. One thing I am always emphasizing when witnessing to some folks, is read Jesus's words for yourself, He did not condone this but being a servant.

Anonymous said...

Greg Laurie is a typical "lordship salvation" false teacher. It's doublespeak. They'll say "we're not saved by works, but you better have works or you're not saved".

It is Roman Catholicism, in its roots.

barksplinter said...

Go to harvest.org and take a look at the first page with the arrow pointing up.
COOL!!! Huh??
Till you search runes and find THAT PARTICULAR RUNE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyr
Read a little about Tyr, son of Odin, then scroll down and you'll find the rune.

Early 90s I was a "counselor" for Harvest when it came to town and was throughly unimpressed.
What I actually was a SHILL DECISION to fool others into going down and to make the crowd think there were more than just a few coming forward.
Trainers didn't want you carrying a BIBLE... only GL's literature.... suppose the Bibles would have tipped the crowd that the vast majority of those on the field were "counselors".

When I saw proof that Billy Graham was a Free Mason I KNEW Greg Laurie was too.
Free Masons DO NOT pass their mantle to non Free Masons.
THEY DO NOT!!!

Need more proof?
Tap the far right prompt on this same harvest.com page and you'll see a zero with a star in the middle.
What is that?
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca

Sooo... would it be safe to bet that Greg Laurie is a Celtic Wiccan?

Anonymous said...

The wolves in sheeps clothing and there puppeteers are coming out in full force against true christians. Not only are they trying to silence our 'voice' there's been some serious negative press cropping up all over the place.Here's one I found on CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/21/opinion/obeidallah-christians-radicals/index.html
It's a deliberate ploy to incite violence towards Christians with what would be in their eyes a good excuse. We are definitely the revelations generation, it's going to be a bumpy ride but at the end when 'its finished' guess who wins :)

Anonymous said...

Responding to Anonymous re Lordship Salvation... and others who may have the same viewpoint.

I ask in gentleness for you to please consider that the Holy Scriptures declare that Jesus is Lord and Saviour.
This is not “works” salvation; it's acknowledging who He is according to God’s word. Acknowledging that Jesus is Lord is not a “work”, but an aspect of faith in response to God’s grace.

2 Peter 3:17-18
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
***
John 11:25-27
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
***

Aka Alert

Anonymous said...

The lordship salvation position is self-righteousness and works for salvation.

Of course we ought to try to make Him Lord. But to add that to salvation, is absurd. Nobody will ever make Him Lord in the way that is perfect. So those that hold the lordship salvation false gospel, end up in hypocricy, where they claim that they have made Him Lord, but of course they're not perfect at it. So then they haven't made Him Lord, if they're not perfect.

I'll just believe John 3:16 and the hundreds of like verses, without this confusion.

Bible Believer said...

I did an article talking about Tyr runes.

I do believe people can use symbols innocently [at times] but when a Christian treacher uses the bad ones all over this literature that is a problem.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2012/05/yet-more-occultism-and-occult-symbolism.html

when you were a counselor did they tell you to move the people forward? Where you instructed not to carry a Bible? Both especially the latter would be awful.
Have you read the literature about BG being a Freemason?

Well agree with you about aspects of the "brotherhood""

Yes there is far more questionable symbolism.

Anonymous said...

At the Harvest bookstore Laurie has a book on Hebrews with a big anchor on it. Doesn't the anchor have significant meaning to Masons?

Anonymous said...

Although Mr. Laurie uses a lot of symbolism (church logo, book logos) that resemble the all-seeing eye. I was informed this affiliation is not about free masonry.

However, I was 'not' informed that it has nothing to do with Catholicism & Jesuit leanings, of which these symbols appear frequently.

Sonia Adams said...

Billy Graham is from God he never said by works you get into heaven but by believing in the life death and resurrection of the Christ you guys are getting your guyses story all switched up may God help us

Anonymous said...

Billy Graham is a false teacher, he sends people to catholic churches! That alone makes him false. And committing to Christ isn't the way to be saved. Believing in Jesus Christ is how to be saved. Committing to Christ to a catholic, is just to eat their wafer. That's not how to be saved, but since Billy Graham confuses the Gospel that way, then that is why he is so popular with catholics.

lastearth said...

Just the fact for Greg Laurie to be yoked up with freemason Billy Graham should be enough to warn Christians to stay clear. Greg Laurie seems to love everything the wicked world has to offer, Rock N Roll Music, Hollywood movies, mega churches, The man seems to walk in the flesh. Here is Greg Laurie promoting the new satanic antichrist superman movie https://www.facebook.com/harvest.greglaurie/posts/10151627148751698

Here is the heavily tattooed new age demonic band POD which played at Gregs harvest Rock N Roll Concert. 0:21 seconds into the video you can see a symbol which represents 666 on the drum riser. This is used to mock christians and used in witchcraft http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGYHrQAhtz8

Anonymous said...

Laurie promotes P.O.D., who say that rastafarianism is great, who reject preaching that Jesus is the only way to heaven, who have a slew of doctrinal errors. Birds of a feather...

chapsteven4 said...

Jesus said why do you call me Lord Lord and do not the things that I say?..all thru the gospels we see him tying in doing what is right and profitable to true salvation and teaching those who do evil will not inherit His kingdom..believe He is savior all you want ..and that he rose from the dead...the demons believe that too and shudder..faith without works is dead

Jacques Coteau said...

The Lord Jesus Christ did not die on the cross and shed His blood for demons/devils. You need to get saved.

Bible Believer said...

Those who believe in their works to save them will be lost. I agree with last anon.

Anonymous said...

There is some slander, double speak and hypocrisy going on. Greg Laurie has serious issues, including his list of what he considers "evidence". But you people who use that to argue against what is known as "Lordship Salvation" are arguing for it.

You: Salvation requires no evidence. Those who believe otherwise are not saved.

Have you not just said that you are making a determination of salvation by evidence? So your evidence that you are saved is that you don't believe in evidence.

The fact is, the Scriptures have plenty of places where evidence is going to exist...including from works (James) and what you believe about the Lord Jesus Christ (1 John). Jesus said by their "fruits" you shall know them (which is a form of evidence), and Paul urged the Corinthians to "test themselves to see whether they be in the faith". How can this happen without evidence.

You (collectively but not necessarily every individual in the group) attack "easy believism" as preached by graham and Laurie, but then promote it by saying just believe and you are saved, even if you have no evidence that God created a new heart in you. The Demons believe, are they saved? Where is repentance in Salvation? Is that not a "work" according to your definition? Yet that is what Jesus commands. What was Jesus looking for when he addressed the rich young ruler? He told him to go sell all his possessions...why? Because works save? NO! This was evidence that the rich young ruler did not believe specifically that he was a sinner in need of salvation and that Jesus Christ was Lord. He had an idol, and Christ was pointing out his idol...proving that the rich young ruler did not believe the Jesus Christ was Lord.

Lordship salvation doctrine is not works based salvation and such a notion is slander. There may be some who misrepresent it in order to distort and condemn others, but Lordship salvation is simply that you believe the truth about who Jesus Christ is, and as Christ clearly demonstrated, there is absolutely evidence that will follow and show what you really believe. That evidence does not produce the salvation. The Scriptures never say that perfection is the required evidence, as one comment insinuated, and neither does that doctrine. That is complete slander.

In short, it seems that some are trying to create division where it does not exist...and unfortunately by doing so, you are taking away from the real issues that should be focused on with regard to Laurie and others. If he is a mason, his "dominion" type theology, and his ecumenical leaning is dangerous.

Anonymous said...

Lordship salvation is a lie, it leads to hell. They insist on doing works for salvation, they can't just accept the good news of the Gospel that Jesus paid it all.

Lloyd said...

Nobody's perfect. Not you, not me, no one! If you looked up Greg Laurie hoping he was, then I'm sorry you were disappointed. Nobody's perfect. Not even you, despite your 'observations.' If I were to subject you to the same standard of scrutiny you subject others, like Greg, I would find you just as guilty as he is. Every one of us, and I mean everyone, has sinned and fallen short of God's glory and expectations. Even Greg himself admits this in many of his sermons. He says, in one of them: "If you knew the things I have done, you probably wouldn't sit there and listen to me. And if I knew the things you have done, I wouldn't stand here and preach to you." You would have realized this if you only took the time to really scrutinize his message objectively. The fact is, only Jesus was perfect. If you are looking for a perfect priest who never sinned, never sins and will never sin, then He is your only hope. Not even the Apostle Paul, or Peter. Not James or even the disciple Jesus loved - John. Sorry to disappoint you again. If you lived during their era and actually knew them personally, you probably would have dismissed them too. They were sinners, just like you and me. But don't take my word for it. Test my words with fire and ice. Subject them to the scriptures. If they don't stand up to the tests, then throw everything i have said out the window and pray for me that God , out of love, may correct me, for i cherish His rebuke - a father rebukes those he loves. I too am a sinner. I am struggling with sexual sin, please pray for me in this matter. I long to break free from the sinful desires of my flesh. I am earnestly and desperately seeking God. He is our only hope.

Anonymous said...

Lloyd, nobody is saying that "Greg Laurie is too sinful to preach".

We are questioning WHAT he preaches. The Bible instructs us to do so.

And Greg Laurie is a false teacher, based on what he preaches.

And with your sin issues, and your seeking of God, here is the answer:

Jesus Christ is God. So, you found Him. Jesus died for our sins and rose again. So believe in Jesus, and you will be in heaven (John 6:47).

All saved people still sin (1 John 1:8). All saved people have sins and struggles. All do.

To help you, think on the Bible throughout the day (Romans 8:5), and this will cause you to walk in the Spirit more.

Bible Believer said...

Thank you last Anon.

Anonymous said...

This may be an interesting video for believer's watch. It shows all these preachers doing some kind of horn sign. I wonder if this means something. Greg Laurie does it too. Not sure?
https://youtu.be/TERGeIoDx2A

Bible Believer said...

A lot of them do the horn sign. Sometimes that can be by "accident" waving the hands around and photographers getting the right angle, but the on purpose ones can be right in your face and obvious!

Jason Kingston said...

WOW...you guy are all a bunch of conspiracy nuts.....

Jason Kingston said...

WOW...you guy are all a bunch of conspiracy nuts.....

Bob D said...

Lol agreed, Jason.

Bob D said...

Thief on the cross was told by Jesus that he would be in heaven that day. Works are just a symptom, not the reason we are saved. This splitting hairs on a Jesus follower versus a Jesus believer is just silly. If you follow Jesus, you do what he a says. If you do what he says, you believe He is God incarnate. If you all were the apostle Paul's contemporaries, he would have a stern letter for you all I'm sure.