Sunday, June 3, 2012

Calvary Chapel Pastor Warns Against False Charismatic Female Preacher

I find this whole thing strange.

Dayna Muldoon, this false prophetess from the word of faith and charismatic movement sets up a tent across the street from Calvary Chapel Scott Rodreiguez's church. He goes over having found out some members from his church were there to watch her "prophesizing" and false preaching [perhaps some to stand against the errors] and then confronts her over her false preaching.



Interesting hand position of hers by the way, try and do this one "by accident", you can't...





She has her defenders:



That's quite a handshake..


Scary how her church members came up to push him out and seem to be ready to get violent while she tells them not to touch him, but then she was telling him basically to "get out". Later, "Bishop" Randy White comes up to defend her, and to talk about "religious demons" and advance false miracle, signs and wonders.

More here: PASTRIX DAYNA MULDOON MEETS PASTOR SCOTT RODRIGUEZ OF CALVARY CHAPEL

Perhaps Rodriguez is a sincere fellow, if he is, he should question why the top leaders of his church such as Chuck Smith and others have appeared on TBN. TBN is the home of false Word of Faith teachings and Charismania.


Then there was the fact that Word of Faither TD. Jakes was invited to the last Elephant Room meeting including Calvary Chapel pastors. One can hope and pray Rodriguez if he is sincere, puts those puzzle pieces together.



That is the thing about Calvary Chapel, that is so scary, they'll warn about some things, like the Emergent movement and the EXTREME preachers like this one, but say nothing about even more intense big picture stuff going on.

One could surmise that maybe this was a planned display or maybe 'showtime" for the rubes, but we have no way of knowing this for sure. All I can say is if he has a problem with this false prophetess {I agree she is a totally false preacher}, why is he OK with the TBN Calvary Chapel connections?

Realize Randy White was married to Paula White and was definitely on TBN.

Here is a copy of what Scott Rodgriuez had to say on the matter.

Is CONSISTENCY too much to ask for? Yes I know it's enough to make your head spin.

[Links and videos provided for information, not for endorsement]

Are we going to start seeing more showdowns between preachers?

What did I say the other day about not "fighting" them, but to mark them and avoid them...?

 Couldn't he have said this on the FRONT end, telling his church members: "Look this Word of Faith false female preacher is coming to town, you need to avoid her. She teaches false things and has made prophecies that were wrong." 

30 comments:

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news4themasses said...

Wow, that was weird. So I'm trying to get the whole story here, a Calvary Pastor crossed the street to see why his parishioners were attending a "faith healer" and he decided to go up and speak to her. She laid hands on him, prophesied falsely on him, and he took it, nodding saying "yes" repeatedly and then once he had the mic in his hand called her a false prophet. Is that the whole story? While she clothed him in her light she touched him repeatedly, then as he rebuked her she recoiled like a snake and directed her angry followers "not to touch him." Interesting. So what was his point exactly? Was he fearful to loose his followers to a soothsayer? Could he not find it in the bible where it says not to give heed to seducing spirits? Did he miss the scripture section on avoiding people like her rather than going "into her tent" the way he did. It appears to be a big show, it's beneficial for them both, they both got free ink, free air time, free press, and in the end are they really against each other so much? Like you said, this CC pastor doesn't object to TBN or Chuck Smith's relationship with other "faith healers." If he was so contrite why does he still preach under the dove? Maybe he's on his way through the fog, we can give him the benefit of the doubt that he thought he was doing correct and once his Elders in the CC pyramid do some AA on him (attitude adjustment) and school him on who he can go after (Rick Warren and Labyrinths) and whom he cannot go after (anyone on His Channel and TBN, CBN, 700 club, etc) maybe then this Senior Pastor of CC will then choose whom to follow, Christ or the Board.

firstplumbline news said...

I understand that it is a pastors duty to watch out for his flock as this is what the CC pastor is seen to be doing, because some of his flock has gone to this meeting, this pastor should have warn them to keep away from her, (2) take the plank out of his own eye, expose what is going on in Calvary Chapel as there is also apostasy going on in Calvary chapel, if he cannot deal with it he should pull his church away from Costa Mesa.

If you can expose this woman but remain silent on CC's Ecumenism, New Age, Compromise with the Knights of Malta it does much seem hypocritical.

Anonymous said...

The rule of thumb to remember with Calvary Chapel is, when they do something, it's always fine.

When someone else does it, they are heretics.

The hypocricy is too much to take, which is why I left Calvary Chapel some time ago.

They will speak against emergents (which they should speak against). But then they will support Billy Graham, who is basically a catholic-lite preacher.

Anonymous said...

Great stuff.

Bible Believer said...

Thanks to readers above.

Yeah the whole thing is very strange.

One person one of of the videos commented that the "prophetess" condemned herself by her own words, saying the CC pastor was a "man of God" and then turning around and saying get out of here, with Randy White, later talking about religious demons. What a mess. Every word out of these false preachers is total confusion.

I actually was offended though I did not mention this in the article but hinted about it, that he just stood there, and let her touch him all over the place. She was VERY hands on with him even behind the "unusual handshake". It was strange, it seems the natural tendency would be to recoil. If you "Know" someone is messing with false prophecies and demonic things, why would you stand there and let them touch you for so long? [the time when she was clothing him in "her light" that you mention.

I mention NOT FIGHTING these types, so I think his going into her tent of apostasy was bad news. He did not follow scripture in AVOIDING these types. One thing we have to remember is HE basically went to her "church" [ok it was a tent]. When you throw pearls before swine, and start the "fighting", what if some of her members decide to play the same game and go across the street to rebuke him? It seems to be a whole mess.

It's not like he went there expecting her to preach truth. Yeah he must have missed the scriptures about avoiding people like her, instead of marching into her area. What you got here could turn into carnal fighting. But overall I felt likely it was a SHOW too. Yeah if he is against this faith healer as you mention and Word of Faithers why not the people the top leaders of his church hang out with on TBN. It is just VERY INCONSISTENT. Hey if he is a sincere guy, maybe he will put the puzzle pieces together, I agree. Yeah I could see him being "corrected" by the Elders too and that will help wake him up. He is an assistant pastor I think not the senior, but I could be wrong.

One thing marching into false churches, and "tents" to CONFRONT [*fight*] false preachers is a bad idea and not scriptural.

Sure if you are somewhere, like in your own church and other places, you can speak up when error comes up, but to march into the DEN of wolves, is just asking for trouble. What kind of example did that set for his church? Are they going to go confront a local Unitarian or Catholic minister [name another false religion] in front of their congregation while they do services now? His job as a pastor at the front end was to WARN HIS CHURCH MEMBERS, mark her as a false teacher and TELL them TO AVOID HER. One thing too, what did he expect to have happen from a false WORD OF FAITHER?

Bible Believer said...

I agree he needs to be consistent and look at his own church.

The roots of the extreme hyper-Charismatic mania, that lady displayed, are the same Pentecostal roots that Calvary Chapel arose out of.

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/11/azusa-street-pentecostalism-and-calvary.html

Bible Believer said...

I agree Anon, when Calvary Chapel does something it's fine.

There is no consistency.

This is how they can say they are against the Road to Rome Emergent movement, and then turn around and praise Catholic-lite Billy Graham and the Lausanne movement.

I personally think it's about confusion. I think of all those false ministries out there warning about certain things but then hanging out with OTHER deceivers, like one teacher who teaches at a lot of Calvary Chapels who warns about Rick Warren but then praises Billy Graham. Why be consistent? Well they aren't for a reason. if this guy was insincere and this was for "showtime" this would just help with confusion then, some warn to make themselves look like they are sounding the warning cry when they are taking people futher down the road to apostasy, we know many of the false ministries have done this appearing to be good, appearing to be warning but with the motive of wanting to mislead people and win trust they do not deserve.

Praying that God warns more about that false church system and others and that they listen!

Bible Believer said...

I forgot to mention this, but as I watched the videos I saw a LOT more "hand signs". I believe this "prophetess" was marking herself all over the place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7btoGi4Mag&feature=player_embedded#!

Notice another unusual hand sign at 9:15 another reader found.

She uses A LOT of verbal techniques, that is best way I can explain it.

Speaking of Randy White, I never had noticed the very strange WITHOUT WALLS LOGO...

http://www.withoutwalls.org/images/stories/logo.png

Anonymous said...

~Labby
Interesting to me how she asked him to give her his Bible so she could set it aside.

These people talk around the Bible quite a bit, as in bits and pieces, but they talk a lot without saying much, and they certainly do not focus on Bible passages in any way. It's just a hit and miss kind of scripture reference being interwoven into what they say, but the Bible does not speak for itself with them - no - they use it to say what they desire and that's the only use for it.

Interesting also that this women talks about being in Lakeland. Wonder if she showed up with the infamous Todd Bentley?

Anonymous said...

This doesn't seem strange, but rather downright stupid. Anyone who calls him a hero for doing this is way off the mark. This CC pastor was totally out of line. First, he should not have allowed this false prophetess to lay hands on him. He tricked her into thinking he came in peace and then turned on her, causing a stir. This is wrong. He should have taken others with him and confronted her privately if he wished to do so, not before her followers in her meeting. This only opened up Christ to ridicule and gave Satan a platform. She brought in “reinforcements” through another big hitter false teacher and further rallied her “troops”.

He should have spoken from his OWN pulpit, exposing false teaching of this sort, warned the people of his flock to stay away and why. He should have marked the false teacher and instructed them to avoid her. That was his duty. This was a teaching moment that he missed. Just as he apparently missed connecting this false prophetess to TBN where Chuck Smith and Greg Laurie have no problem hanging out. This was right at his church’s doorstep and this is probably what prompted him to act. But he should look at his own doorstep and sweep it clean.

He should have encouraged his flock to pray against the falseness that was going on across the street both in their church and in their prayer closets and at the same time seek to examine themselves. To go in like he did was unbiblical and only stirred up a fight. He took the fight to his own flesh and then only incurred the wrath of the followers of the false preacher.

He cast pearls before swine. That always does more harm than good. Anonymous Annie

Bible Believer said...

Labby, I wonder if she was part of Bentley's crew too? Haven't found anything online Obviously we see the ties to Randy White. It is strange he would let her take his bible too. Folks like this abuse the Bible, cherry picking verses.

Bible Believer said...

I don't see him as a "hero" either for going into a false service to confront this woman. What if her church members ignored her and started attacking him physically, they were on the brink. That could have been part of a "show" but if not, then this precedent is set for "Christians" [I put it in quotes on purpose] to go "battle" each other in different churches. Satan definitely got a platform. Even spiritually him allowing her to lay hands on him is BAD NEWS.

1Timothy 5:22-24

King James Version (KJV)

22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.

23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

24 Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.

I agree with you this was all bad business, the whole thing all around.

Anonymous said...

I thought I heard her mention to Randy White something about Lakeland. That would indicate that she had some connection with Bentley's circus, not to mention that she is located in Florida.

Don't know that she has decked anyone in the kisser to heal them as yet though.

What is passing for the "Gospel" these days is blasphemous.

As I read Pastor Rodriguez's account of the event, I have some compassion for him in that he admitted that he had handled it badly and was caught off guard. But what was he doing there anyway? He may have meant well, and maybe some of the congregation wanted him to observe. But that wasn't necessary - she is on YouTube and she has never kept it a secret as to her "ministry".

I am thinking he may be regretting this already. Or we can hope so. But the damage is done. Anon Annie

christian cerna said...

Looks like they were putting on a show to me. I wonder, why doesn't the Calvary Chapel pastor walk into a Roman Catholic church and do the same to them. How about a Mormon Church? I would be more impressed if he has walked into a Jehovah's witness temple and gone up to the stage to preach the true gospel.

Anonymous said...

Christian Cema has a great comment!

I wonder that too, why not go into the local JW kingdom hall and preach, or the catholic church, or the Christian Science reading room.

You know why I think they wouldn't do that?

Because CC and the hyper-charismatic movement are going after the same main crowd. He felt threatened by them being there, as CC has hyper-charismatic roots when you look at the Lonnie Frisbee/Kathryn Kulhman/foursquare connections to Chuck Smith. CC doesn't like competition.

Anonymous said...

I agree that is does look staged, however they got our attention didn't they?
We are shocked, we are curious, we analyze, and I am not even sure why we should care, because they are high profile?
These nominal Christians are playing one big game of chaos,lies and deception and they have the stage to do it on.
We know who is the author of lies and deception.

It is the person in the pew that needs to wake-up, I hope and pray they find your blog.

I guess I am just tired of any organized religious institution they are a travesty we need to give up on them and move on, perhaps even run away!

IMHO

Anonymous said...

This link has an explanation behind the video. I don't know if you've seen it, but it states that while he was taking it all in, she had him get up and then put words in his mouth. If true, it sounds like he was put on the spot.

http://blog.carm.org/2012/05/pastor-dayna-ministries/

Anonymous said...

Christian Cema, she set her tent up directly across the street from their church and it was apparently attracting a lot of attention.

If you read his account of the events it does clarify some things that the video did not show.

No one should go into a Catholic Church or JW Temple to preach. This is targeting and only serves to make people angry.

Evangelism is to be lived out as God gives opportunity and few people really have a burden for the lost and weep for them, that they are headed for eternal destruction. Few people even know how to share the Gospel effectively because they are not equipped by their pastors how to reach out. No, it is all about slick programs and easy believism rather than the uncompromised Gospel.

How many people have friends or family who are Catholics and their church downplays the fact that they are lost and headed for hell resulting in lost opportunities. We have become a bunch of overstuffed self-centered pew potatoes expecting to be entertained.

Bible Believer said...

Oh I put up that link of his side of the story within my article.

Reading this part "Finally, I thought it was over, but she walked up to me where I was seated on the front row, and began “prophesying”. She said, “Young man spit your gum out and face me”. I got up (probably should have just walked out), and she began telling me how I thought I had come as a peacemaker, but was really there because God had used the hecklers to get me to her tent because He had something to give me through her. Then she went on and on saying all kinds of stuff, including that I said or thought that her ministry was a work of God, and that she was doing good and trying to help people. That was a lie. I never led her to believe any such thing. At that point I felt I needed to make it clear that I didn’t agree with her message or ministry, and that’s what I tried to do. Sadly I think it appears more as though some guy got in a prayer line or requested prayer and then seized on the opportunity – which isn’t true.

My greatest desire is to see God’s people warned, but I don’t feel I did things perfectly. Here’s why: I knew the right thing to do was to seek my Senior Pastor’s approval, but as a matter of convenience I did not. He is a man of God, and would have helped find a more godly way of approaching this, but in a moment of passion I acted and entrapped myself. Please don’t misunderstand, I believe once in the circumstance the worse thing I could have done is simply remained quiet, but I just feel as though Jesus would have done it differently. So while I stand behind my words to Mrs. Muldoon and would plead with people to flee from any ministry that replaces the Blood stained Gospel of Jesus Christ with a pursuit of miracles, I"

http://blog.carm.org/2012/05/pastor-dayna-ministries/

I still question WHAT WAS HE DOING THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? Maybe as Annie points out if he was sincere that he regrets it already. If some of his church members went there for spiritual food, he really should become concerned about their LACK OF DISCERNMENT. But there again as another one of my commenters points out Calvary Chapel comes out of the same Pentecostal roots though they downplay some of the Charismania errors, they share the same root in Azusa street. Also I found it strange that he happened to be the guy in the audience that she decided to "prophesize" over. I agree targeting needs avoiding but we should tell people the gospel and the truth.

My poster who points out

Bible Believer said...

Anon, you are right they got people's attention, this Dayna Muldoon story is all over the place. Of course most take it all for granted and do not question if it was staged. You are right about not letting the "high profiles" of some lead us to care and about the stage shows. I pray for those followers to wake up too. I agree the organized religious institutions are becoming horrible and a travesty. I think people should RUN!

Bible Believer said...

On post above, cross out "My poster who points out" I accidentally left part of his quote on my answer.

Anonymous said...

This whole episode is just a mess. Even some "discerners" are lauding the pastor's actions and missing the greater picture.

This young pastor may be ignorant of the facts about the roots of CC as this has been largely covered up and those withing the organization live in a vacuum of sorts.

The whole episode could have been avoided if someone would have exercised true discernment. You are correct, if their people were attending then it should have triggered an alarm bell and a need for teaching from their own pulpit. Of course the people in attendance might have been new or even new Christians. This is why discipleship is so important. But people are no longer taught how to judge righteously or discern error.

This gave opportunity for Satan to srut his stuff and put wind in Muldoon's sails. It did not deflate her at all in the eyes of the deceived. It only added fuel to the fire and allowed her to look like a martyr.

The young inexperienced pastor may have been taken in, but where is the wisdom of those who gave this story "legs" and heralded him as a hero? As the Bible says, wisdom has fallen in the streets. It has been building for some time and now the chickens have come home to roost. How ironic is it that the early roots of CCs and the affiliation with Frisbee/Kuhlman would never have confronted this false prophet because they had too much in commnon!

The times are what they are and we have to cling to the Rock of our salvation because He is the only One Who is truly trustworthy anymore. Anon Annie

Anonymous said...

I was going to a Calvary Chapel. They were introducing contemplative, interfaith/ecumenical ideas. Just one example: A man in the church who is a Catholic came to the front during an alter call one morning(the only alter call I'd seen in the years I'd been going there) and accepted Jesus. His wife told me that she goes to mass with him but she doesn't take the Eucharist. I told her that ecumenism is part of the forming of the one world religion - which is well on its way at this time. She didn't understand what I was talking about. I showed her an article from January where the Pope said he wants to bring Christians and Catholics together, so we can all take the sacraments together. She didn't see anything wrong with that. She also told me her husband says Catholics do not worship Mary. I had a very uneasy sense of where this, and other things in the church, was going. So I left.

Thank you for all of your articles. They're very helpful.

Anonymous said...

I go to CC and he was very upset that he approached it the way he did... No one sees this though. His intentions were good but he admitted he acted out of emotion.... Thats really all I know, but it did come from gis mouth, not rumor.....

Bible Believer said...

If the pastor here was truly since last anon, I hope he realizes the false roots of CC and how the CC church came out of the same place this charismatic lady did.

Bible Believer said...

second to last anon, yes I have seen the ecumenical types, who go to an evangelical church and then go to Mass with a friend or social group and think nothing of it. Even in my old IFB this one man dated a Catholic girl, and went to Mass with her and tried to give me the Catholics are "born again" line too. I told him different and that they teach a false gospel and when a Catholic says Amen to the Eucharist, and kneel before it, they are saying AMEN and kneeling to an IDOL.

When Chuck Smith tells people Catholics are Christians too along with a bunch of other false preachers, this is why you have confused people. I knew someone, in this case a baptist, who even got lured into Catholic Mass at a rehab center, I remember telling her point blank what I thought of that. I think she was lonely and giving into to temptation but told her the truth about the Catholic Mass. It is not always easy to do and people are listening to these false preachers first. I too have faced the multitude of people who seem to not even know what the one world religion stuff is absout, just totally ignorant of it, and then start talking about how all "Christians" should unify. This is what they are teaching them from the pulpits.

I know in my last CC, the pastor was not happy with what I had to say about Rome, such as when I was sharing a personal testimony about coming out of there. One of the last conversations was me telling him that Rick Warren was a wolf and a deceiver, and him telling me that Rick Warren was a Christian too, and that even if we "disagree" with some aspects of his ministry, we should too.

Anonymous said...

This is second to last anon. Very interesting comments. Thank you.

Before I left the CC I also had an email discussion with the pastor over contemplative practices being taught via DVD in the women's Bible study. They used Beth Moore. Beth said that Catholics are a Christian denomination and she also teaches interfaith classes. I now understand why the church didn't have a problems with her saying that - they believe it, too! I was also concerned about the breath prayers Beth taught on one of the DVDs as well as her participation in Passion 2012 Lectio Devina. Watching that video of Beth, Francis Chan, and John Piper creeped me out big time. The pastor said nothing Beth Moore does is unbiblical. I had said I felt that she was in the emergent camp. He said that my concern fell more under new age practices. He said that the emergent church could be tested against the Bible because it is more objective. The new age is more difficult to test against the Bible because it is more subjective, he added. I was not comfortable with Ms. Moore's direct revelations from 'God' where he calls her honey and baby during two way audible conversations that she talks about in her DVDs and workbook. I I questioned if she was participating in automatic writing. He said that Satan is the great deceiver and what can seem to be from Satan can actually be from God. He said that well-meaning watchmen can make mistakes - like accusing Beth of guilt by association (I was concerned that Beth endorsed Brennan Manning and Susan Monk Kidd - in fact, he said this is an un-Christian tactic)and harshly criticizing Billy Graham.

I found it interesting that being concerned about a 'Christian' leader endorsing emergent/new age writers would be considered an un-Christian tactic. :-)

And I thought, well, Billy Graham should be criticized! (This, according to the pastor, is an un-loving tactic)

It was a blessing that my concerns about Beth Moore came up because I got a lot of info from the pastor via email on his beliefs that blew me away, and opened my eyes to what they really believed.

Thank you for allowing me to go on about that.

Anonymous said...

sad. Righteous "christians" attacking other christians, because one group doesn't like how the other group thinks. They all serve the same Jesus Christ, they all promote Jesus Christ as savior, the same bible, but thats not enough. Because the leg is different than the hand, the leg attacks the hand. Yet, its attacking its own body. Many churches today of Jesus Christ is a powerless, self-mutilating organism, that instead of attacking Satans schemes and agenda in America, decide to attack itself. Does anyone see whats happening in America today? in our families? I know, I know...I will now be branded as a heretic. Please don't cast any stones at me, I just heppen to be a sell-out to Jesus Christ, thats who I serve, not man. Let me get my helmet because I may be next by the self-righteous christians.

Bible Believer said...

To last anon...

Not everyone who calls themselves Christians ARE Christians, why would I trust either one, given what has been exposed on this blog about Calvary Chapel and the false charismatic teachings regarding the female preacher? Don't you take issue with any of those false teachings? Telling the truth is not attacking either. I do not agree with you that they all serve "the same Jesus Christ" even Jesus warns of us of this...

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
So the Bible tells us there will be many false Christians out there.