Thursday, April 12, 2012

They think it is the SECOND REFORMATION?

Lately in mainstream church circles, I have heard this talk, they all think its the second reformation. Do not confuse the way I am using the term as some refer to a "second reformation" historically, these are preachers and others claiming the church is going through a "revival" as it were or another reformation. The other day, I heard a female Lutheran minister refer to the 'second reformation". I told her that the churches had fallen away, I am not sure she was happy with me. Does it astound you that in the evangelical and mainline world even, remember that quote I put up by Phoenix Preacher they see things as changing FOR THE BETTER?

Has anyone else heard that term?

Well we heard it before from Rick Warren:

"I’m looking for a second reformation. The first reformation of the church 500 years ago was about beliefs. This one is going to be about behavior. The first one was about creeds. This one is going to be about deeds. It is not going to be about what does the church believe, but about what is the church doing."

He repeated this message other places.

“‘The first Reformation was about belief; this one’s going to be about behavior,’ said Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church in Southern California and author of the best-selling The Purpose-Driven Life. ‘The first one was about creeds; this one’s going to be about our deeds. The first one divided the church; this time it will unify the church.’” (Bold added)3

It's occurred other places:

Anglican conservatives say ‘second reformation’ is already under way

Be Part of the Second Reformation!

A Second Reformation

Second Reformation and Safe Places

Missions Congress Called to Work for a Second Reformation. 

A new Reformation? Emerging theology is shaking Christianity,

"Nearly 500 years ago Martin Luther posted his 95 theses in Wittenberg, Germany — a move that set off a shakeup in the Christian Church that became known as the Protestant Reformation.
Now there’s another movement brewing that could change Christianity just as dramatically, says a local pastor whose denomination takes its name from Luther.
“It’s 8.8 on the Richter scale,” says Pastor Paul Nuechterlein, of Prince of Peace Lutheran Church in Portage. “If the last huge change in Christianity was at the time of the Reformation, it looks like we’re going through that kind of change again.”
If you’re a biblical scholar, this change probably isn’t news to you — “I think it’s been under way for 50 to 100 years,” says Nuechterlein — but if you’re a Christian sitting in a pew of your local church, it might be."

False preacher John Crowder in 2010, claimed there is a reformation going on:

Notice how he refers to the first reformation as being about "rebellion", lots of double-talk there.

Actually just about every godly move of the first Reformation has been ransacked, sola scripture, sola fide, etc. This isn't to say every leader of the Reformation was true as today we have the daughters, but one way I believe God used the [first] Reformation was to get His Word out there to people.  I am not surprised to see the Emergents and mainlines jumping on the "second reformation" bandwagon.

Think about this, the Bible warns us of the great falling away. Christians see how the churches have fallen away and now the leaders are preaching, that the church is in a "new reformation". It is odd how this is one leading back to Rome when the first was about separating from the idolatry of Rome. Such concepts of "the counter-reformation" do not occur to these folks. But many of them do see the "changes" as being from God when we know otherwise.


Anonymous said...


Mr. Crowder is one of the worst out there. He "smokes" the Baby Jesus and he's all about the drug references. He is WITHOUT A DOUBT touched by a different spirit.

And...I might add...I say that without a critical and religious spirit! LOL (have to watch the video to get that) Seriously, though, that is the little code word "they" will use to break down any authority of Bible-believing Christians. You are critical, unloving; you have a religious spirit. Did you notice he said "Religion is your enemy."?

If he truly wants the purity, love and joy of the gospel to return to the body, then he must READ the gospel and actually focus on the Bible, and not his own feelings.

He is a total nut job, who in this video is trying to sound like an authority, a leader, and a caring teacher. His videos are usually total wacked-out nonsense. I would encourage all Christians to stay away from this man's teachings. They are uniquely his, not of Jesus.

Anonymous said...

The "second reformation" is to move away from the Bible.

The "first reformation" didn't even itself go enough to Bible alone. It carried falsehoods from catholicism with it.

Best is to avoid both, and go back to the Bible alone, as it was before catholicism and all the "reformations".

Bible Believer said...

I agree the first reformation did not go far enough and LOTS of baggage of Rome was kept. People gained more access to God's Word, and I believe in that the first reformation was used by God, but sadly the daughters remain under Rome's lead. I agree about avoiding both too and sticking with God's Word. No ECFs no looking to Reformation leaders who sang the praises of Augustine and kept Roman Catholic sacraments.

Bible Believer said...

I agree about Crowder being one of the worse out there. I agree with about him being touched by a different spirit. Was not surprised he had jumped on this bandwagon.

Looks like the Emergent talk is infusing everywhere. I wrote the female Lutheran minister a letter by the way mentioned above. She is a very nice person and just desires that she knows. Sometimes it can be hard. Getting people to think outside the babylon "church system" can be tough.

Yeah he sticks to the script, too of telling people they are haters. I do not mind being "critical" [avoiding sins that can come with nonbiblical criticism] some things deserve criticism and to be warned about.

I wrote about the HATERS SCRIPT a long time ago on this blog.

I agree about warning people to stay away from him.

It is interesting how even the most "whacked" out teachers are joining together on advancing the same agendas.

Anonymous said...

The calvary chapel I left, the pastor was saying that we were heading towards a revival and an outpouring of the holy spirit.

When I asked him about the contemplative and ecumenical leanings I was seeing in the church he gave a big explanation for it and then said that, 'as long as people are coming to Christ, hallelujah'

I'm hearing that lately. If people are teaching false things, as long as people are coming to Christ it's a great thing.

They don't seem to understand that it's another gospel, another Jesus, that people are being led to. It's getting very strange out there.