Monday, March 5, 2012

"Chuck Smith: End times Means Bright Outlook for Christian Church"

Chuck Smith: End Times Means Bright Outlook for Christian Church

Smith, 84, who is the pastor of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa, is undergoing treatment for lung cancer. However, he had no problem delivering a strong message of hope in a fallen world.
"We're on the verge of, it looks like, a war in the Middle East that could expand into a global conflict of nuclear proportions. The economy is tanking. Many nations are on the verge of bankruptcy and our own nation is so many trillions of dollars in debt. It's just amazing," he said.
He began his talk on prophesy by quoting Bible verse Titus 2:13, which states, "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ."
"Surely there is a blessed hope that we have as believers," Smith told those in attendance. "As far as the world is concerned there's not much hope. When you look at the world that we live in today, the future doesn't look very bright."


Smith said he feels that the U.S. government is handling the nation's money incorrectly.

"The politicians seem to think the best way to get out of debt is to borrow money, but you know there's a basic law of economics that when your output is greater than your input, your upkeep is your downfall," Smith said.

"Right now at the present time there are several men (presidential candidates) who are making wonderful promises to us here in the United States. They tell us that they have the answers to the problems our nation is facing and they are trying to encourage people to have confidence in them and vote for them because they have the solutions to the problems.

"Well, maybe you are hoping in these men, but I've lived long enough that I've sort of lost hope in the programs of man and I am looking for a better hope – the hope of the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ," he said.

That one is kind of weird considering this...why warn of the politicians and say their promises are empty when your own pastors are working hand in hand with them?

"Calvary Chapel and Rediscovering God in America"



Now comes the clincher, more deception telling the Christian church their future is bright. [it is bright yes, in that we will one day be with Jesus Christ for the real Christian church] but Smith here of course misleads pointing to the rapture which is a false teaching. If anything any true preacher would be warning of the persecution to come. 

2Ti 3:12    Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Smith, who regularly gives updates on the events of the Middle East at his church in Costa Mesa, often begins with news that shows the potential outbreak of war, but ends by referring to the current events as "exciting times."

"How can you make, you say, all these dire predictions with a smile on your face? Well, because the outlook for the Church is very bright," he explained. "We're almost there and I know how this story ends and that it's always comforting when you know that it ends and 'they all lived happily ever after.'"
Talking about the future, the influential pastor said, "What do we know for sure? We know there are two major events awaiting the Church. One is the rapture of the Church. It's the hope that we have right now of the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ who is coming for His Church."
He explained that although the word "rapture" is not found in English translations of the Bible, "the teaching of the rapture is definitely in the Bible," he said.
"The second coming of Jesus is the next major event when He comes to establish His kingdom here on the earth. That is what we pray for when we repeat the Lord's prayer, 'Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.'

Those who smile over the tribulation are scary. While we are to have hope and peace in God, the destruction that will be coming to millions is nothing to celebrate.

For that last part, Chuck Smith definitely shows his deception too with the millenial kingdom lies, 'kingdom theology". I do not believe Jesus Christ will set up a kingdom here on this earth. Think about how many will be deceived by the antichrist who will be doing so.  For God's kingdom, there will be a new heaven and a new earth.

Jhn 18:36    Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Now look who the speakers were at this event....

Speakers on the other days of the conference included Miles McPherson, Jack Hibbs (lead pastor of Calvary Chapel Chino Hills), Mark Hitchcock, Charlie Campbell, Ed Hindson, and General Jerry Boykin, U.S. Army (retired).

SoCal Prophecy Invite 2012 | Jack Hibbs from Calvary Chino Hills on Vimeo.

They have used their version of the "end times" to deceive many.


Anonymous said...

I don't think eschatology is the issue here. So let's not try to insert that where it doesn't belong.

What this is about is fellowship with deeds of darkness in these last days. Is it possible that some of these pastors have "got the memo" about getting the Church mixed up in politics? Is there any current activity involving David Barton and Calvary Chapels? Just asking.

Quoting Roger Oakland is great, but he has pretty much exited the arena since he was called to task about his involvement with Missler. One could say he had the hand on the plow but left the field for humanitarian pastures. To be fair, he is sharing the Gospel and discipling which is wonderful, but the reason he went totally in that direction appears to be because of the confrontation and it was a convenient escape and way to avoid the horns of a dilemma.

Yes, there is a ton of concerns in Calvary Chapel, but at the moment it does not seem to be dominionism. It is probably alive and well in some quarters, but the ship seems to be steering away.

Don't get me wrong, I am NOT pro Calvary Chapel, but I do believe in being fair and accurate. Don't mean to imply that the author is not, but we all can let our views rule the day when they need to be taken out of the way so as not to obstruct our vision.

Anonymous #1 for this thread

Bible Believer said...

well the false eschatology helps build up the deception.

And why would we think Calvary Chapel pastors 'got the memo" about politics when Knights of Malta Boykin was at this event? Just seems to me, to be more confusing.

With Roger O's website, it's all orphanages and more lately but one wonders, as others have asked too, why not face the truths about Missler and answer some questions?

I just do not see how you see the ship of Calvary Chapel steering away from Dominionism. What has led you to that conclusion? Chuck Smith's words about politics? Well the actions say otherwise. Even a few of those invites.

Anonymous said...

Chuck Missler was just exposed as warning of Dominionism in 87' and Ecumenism in 96' but joined the Dominionist/Ecumenist Council of National Policy sometime right after 96' on your another site that you also referenced a few stories below.

Chuck Missler did those warnings at CC Costa Mesa and because of his lack of resisting the CNP but instead joining the CNP helped Newt Gingrich show up at CC Costa Mesa.

Personally, I think Chuck Missler's "credentials" are what have a satanic hold on his followers. Sinful men love credentials and Chuck Missler always tells people what they are, feeding the audiences sinful flesh.

Roger Oakland was exposed by the same guy who exposed Missler who showed Roger's connection to Missler.

Roger Oakland is avoiding the obvious by hiding.

Have you noticed his new book that's all about him? This is the second version of a book that's all about him. The first one came out in the early 90's, both all about Roger.

Anonymous said...

My point is that I don't know of any recent events involving Calvary Chapel pastors relating to politics or the candidates. That could be an indication that they are backing off David Barton and his "Christian America". I agree that it may be wishful thinking, but unless there is some event this year that is leaning in the direction, there is cause to speculate that they have backed away from dominionism. Not everyone who believes in pre-trib is out to deceive. I find much more concerning Smith's stance on ecumenism and the scandals swirling around as well as Smith's right hand man on the Pastor's Perspective radio broadcast, Don Stewart and his seamless transition from divorcing his wife and moving on to another with not so much as a peep about it. According to Jackie Alnor's blog, Stewart's daughter had to find out about his re-marriage on Facebook.Nice. Another cover-up? What a sad state of affairs.

Rick Warden said...

This is a good subject and I agree wit some of your points.

- Hibbs should have nothing to do with Gingrich. I agree with you that Gingrich is a poor choice to support in any form. He seems to be a deceiver.

- I agree Chuck Missler often is off focus. He offers a lot of helpful news and info, but he blindly supports Israel no matter what they do. Not all Israel is Israel, as the Apostle Paul states. Plus, Missler avoids controversial and important topics, such as 9/11, FDA corruption, the rise of the US police state, etc., thus helping to keep the church ignorant on important issues.

- However, I agree with Chuck that we should generally be optimistic and joyful as believers based upon the spiritual life we enjoy in relationship with Christ and also the possibility of the rapture of the church.

I may repost this story in agreement with my views :-)

Anonymous said...

Rick W. pretty close to another Rick W. :-)
This thread is about Chuck SMITH not Missler although he was mentioned.
Why are topics such as 9/11 conspiracy theories, FDA corruption,of such importance to believers? The Bible tells us these things will come to pass, including the "falling away" in the Church which we are seeing in spades. How can we be joyful and optomistic when we dwell on topics such as you mentioned? BTW.Missler is well involved with high connections in the government.

We are not to concern ourselves with the affairs of the world to the point where we dwell on them more than we do the Word of God and the work of the Lord in reaching the lost and discipling new converts. That should be our priorities in life - living for Him, and obeying Him. The world is what it is and what it always has been. Jesus said for us to be in the world but not of it. Anonymoue # 1

Bible Believer said...

Anon, I could see Missler's credentials swaying these folks, but it seems for some once they found out the truth, that would be enough to break away. But then why are they connected to those who are so high up in the halls of power to begin with? Known names become "known" for a reason. Roger Oakland seems to be hiding behind charity work overseas now, instead of answering any questions. Whose going to argue with a guy who is helping the orphans and widows overseas I guess is the thinking.

It is disappointing however.

Roger's new book, yes I know about that.

The title kind of bugs me. It is God who said LET THERE BE LIGHT

to name your autobiography that is kind of weird....

Bible Believer said...

Anon #2, is that you Ruth?

Hmm not sure if is or not but that post reminded me of that person's writing, always telling me to deny right what was in front of my eyes regarding Calvary Chapel.
No recent political involvements? LOL when this POST WROTE ABOUT ONE??? Boykin was right there, at the South California Prophecy conference.

Sure there are some honest people who are pre-trib, but I do not consider Calvary Chapel high ups to be among them.

I don't know anything about the Stewarts.

How come Jackie Alnor hasn't dealt with what has been exposed on Calvary Chapel, Knights of Malta and Boykin? Well I wouldn't expect it.

Bible Believer said...

Rick Warden, sure send me the link if you post this article or post the link here. Agree about Hibbs. I consider Missler more then off focus but with an agenda related to CNP and NWO involvements. YEs the Christian Zionism and pro-false Israel stuff is about more deception. Just look where they have us now, regarding some links I've posted today and how Netyanhu seems to be doing everything possible to turn the Middle East into one giant fireball. Why would Missler and others like him even deal with 9-11. Once people find out one truth, finding out others is far easier.

I agree we should be joyful as believers. We do differ on the Rapture, but that message I have no problem with.

Bible Believer said...

Yes it was about Chuck Smith.

Why do you think that is "conspiracy" about 9-11? You believe the "official story"?

I understand what you mean about focusing on these things. The problem is some want nothing talked about or exposed, it is something I feel burdened with now, how much to expose and I went into that matter on the "swimming in evil vs. exposing evil" blog thread. Something I am pondering. Even exposing things is not easy. Of course I can't say to people either ignore all these things and sit in a church pew following wolves either because dealing with evil and what is going on, is so bad either. it's tough one, even for me. Trust me, it is something on my mind especially lately. I do witness etc IRL, but it's tough, the church system has most who even call themselves Christians in it's firm grasp.

One question though how does one disciple new converts if they are all deceived by the new world order or by wolves in the pulpit? Maybe means they aren't real converts? So many of us Christians are lone voices out there.

mijadedios said...

Chuck Smith via Calvary Chapel has been political since its inception. Lest we forget he was church planting using the seeker model on "Hippies" (or so he says). He and his early cohorts were highly political, look at Hal Lindsey and all the early "prophesy" movies they made together. Smith has his men in Family Research Council (Jack Hibbs), CNP (Chuck Missler), and others the list would be too long here. Calvary Chapel has been political for a very long time. Roger Oakland's new book is a redux, (a do over) from his first one co-authored by Dan Wooding. Take a look into Dan Wooding, he has ties to UPI, Billy Graham, Chuck Smith, etc. Calvary's blatant use of Boykin just suggests that they don't care who knows they are conjoined with Rome via the Jesuit Familia, they will do and say what they will and no one will care because they only want to show you one side of the coin; mostly because they are on the other side of the same coin! False Discernment, False prophets, False teaching, all trademarks of CC.

Anonymous said...

Bible Believer, there are still some left who hold to sound doctrine - you are right one has to be very careful about discipling new converts. But if there is no sound church available, one can take the initiative to do a Bible study in a home setting or elsewhere. God always has a remnant and there are still some who have not "fallen away". Just because the discipling process is challenging doesn't mean we are to stop sharing the Gospel. Problem is, there are so few out there sharing the uncompromised Gospel and that is because of the apostasy and apathy in the Church.

Let's at least give Jackie Alnor credit for exposing sin in the CC camp. She is not looking the other way just because she doesn't address some of the same things you and others do. Anon # 1

Bible Believer said...

Anon #1, We probably will have to disagree here about Jackie Alnor, I see her as way too much of an apologist for Chuck Smith and the Calvary Chapel system even if she has exposed some things. [not an endorsement of this website]

How could Jackie Alnor just ignore some of the things that have been exposed about Calvary Chapel?[the same as RO?]

I believe as far as the remnant goes, one doesn't stay knowingly in a church that is tied to the one world religion. There are those who do not know. How can some of these "researchers" not know? Where was she when Chuck Smith even said Catholics were Christians too?

I know we are all just human beings. People will make errors or simply not know something. But why would someone who warns about the "one world religion" in other ways not see it happening in Calvary Chapel or call out it's leaders?

Bible Believer said...

Mijadedios, I agree Chuck Smith was political from the start, even to start the jesus movement was intertwined with the politics of the hippies. I agree the blatant use of Boykin, tells us they do not care and they do not care about those who have figured it out. You are right about the two false sides of the coin, all converging towards deception.